Celtic Banter Archive November 06 2020

06 Nov 2020 20:22:38
in the country known as Scotland neither Celtic nor Rangers ( as they are known) can out do each other hence the original rangers couldn't hit the ten and neither will Celtic. this country needs a football edge and if one is racing away then it becomes obsolete. it all ties in with the referees and other strange decisions. it makes for great helicopter viewings. think about it.

06 Nov 2020 20:45:46
I have thought this for a while. Really hope that's not the case, otherwise what's the point.

06 Nov 2020 21:47:18
This ten in a row, is meaningless, unless it's done by an exceptional side like the Lisbon lion's, who achieved European success, and even they only got to nine league titles, the Rangers side that won nine league titles were very poor in comparison to the Rangers side that won the cup winners cup, we have only won nine in a row, because the opposition have been rubbish, success, or relative success, in European competitions is a much better measure of how good we are as a club.

06 Nov 2020 22:47:05
As an older supporter I have seen a few 'cycles' of success from both ourselves and TRIFC (or whatever sensor wants to call them) .
Fortunately it started for me with the 60's and 70's which included the original nine-in-a-row and two European Cup Finals and then we flirted in and out of Europe and traded trophies with the original Rangers trophies until the so-called New Firm of Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were dominant in the early 80's.
The Centenary Year will always be a highlight and unfortunately it was also followed by a decline and their EBT assisted 9-in-a-row.
There was a brief respite in 97/ 98 and very mixed fortunes until the MON years, Seville and then a trophy tussle with Big Eck 'The Bankrupt Years' McLeish. During a decent decent spell under WGS.
That takes us up to date and whether we get 10 or fail depends on quite a few factors and hurdles that look daunting but possible.
These days I don't think it's possible for one single team to win ten titles like 'The Lions' were chasing - for a number of reasons Freedom of contract, ambition and greed of players, transfers in and out with two window's a year and longevity of managerial life.

07 Nov 2020 07:51:10
Aindoh there were only three of the Lisbon lions still at Celtic when they were going for the 10 McNeill, Lennox and Johnstone, to say the Lions failed is wrong.

07 Nov 2020 10:46:55
I never said they failed.

07 Nov 2020 11:09:22
I had to laugh when you said that about the Lisbon Lions Aindoh because it was yourself and our Ed. Who rightly pulled me up for stating the same.
And now Oldkilly is pulling you up.

07 Nov 2020 12:24:21
Aindoh by 1973 8 of the Lisbon Lions had left Celtic so they didn’t win 9 as you stated. In your original post you said the Lions only got to 9 which would mean to me they never achieved the 10.

06 Nov 2020 18:55:08
Michael O'Neil. But not Martin we've been there and done that. Ed and see the same way that the H word gets blocked etc. is there any chance you could do that with the words Roy and Keane. I could watch anything even us losing 10 under NL and would keep my season ticket. But if a man who should never have worn the jersey is ever manager my ticket will be free to whoever wants it during his tenure. I'll come when I'm washed up finished and past ma sell by date and that will be ok because I'm Irish and played with Man Utd. Aye wull ye.

06 Nov 2020 19:12:58
I would take Mon purely as stop gap, get us organised, fit and instill some passion and pride.
New man close season.

06 Nov 2020 19:31:10
MON is done! Loved him to bits when he was hear and gave us IMO the best team we have ever had excluding the lions! But the mans nearly 70! We’ve surely to f**k got to have a short list of managers to replace Lennon! If not then lawell can go to! Criminal if we haven’t made contingency plans, after the start we’ve had this season! I wanted Neil gone after the sevco game and nothing has changed my opinion. he’s lost the dressing room big times, and last night’s embarrassment was the last straw! And while Neil Lennon will carry the can, and rightly so. I must say the players on that pitch last nite were an utter disgrace! It’s one thing to give up on your manager, but that last nite was players not giving a toss about the club also! To many think they are better than they actually are! A shambles!

06 Nov 2020 18:09:54
Michael O'Neil.

06 Nov 2020 18:26:33
I would take Michael O’Neil because he has more knowledge about Scottish football than most which will be vital to hit the ground running.
He done an excellent job with Ireland and saved Stoke from relegation.

06 Nov 2020 18:47:54
Guys I vote for HOUDINI.

06 Nov 2020 18:59:02
He’s tied up.

06 Nov 2020 19:33:00
Nothing Ireland lads. Northern Ireland. I would stay away from Michael O Neill did do much in the league of Ireland.

06 Nov 2020 19:34:03
Heard he had a £2m Get-Out Clause JFP.

06 Nov 2020 20:48:37
Lawell would get rid of Lennon and give Lennon the job as care taker manager. 😂I was thinking about all the guff Lawell has signed and it's not pretty to see. Bayo Shved Mulumbu Perez Gutman Bolongoli Connel Soro Klimala ( the last 3 still need a chance) . Buying cheap and hoping for a Dembele type. Lawell has far to much influence on football matters and should just concentrate on being the bead counter.

06 Nov 2020 21:45:57
Very good Pud. Look at the amount of money we wasted buying players. They never made it or never given a chance most puzzling one for me was shved . When Brendan Rodgers came out when we signed him. I didn't sign him we have enough midfielders. Was never given a chance or wasn't coached enough to settle in the the Scottish league . Now we are screaming for wingers badly. When we had them we let them go. What was behind the Scott Sinclair departure another talent treated bad by Lennon.

06 Nov 2020 23:22:04
Celtics signing policy a lot of the time is sign 4 or 5 players at the £2/ 3m mark and hope 1 or 2 are a success.
Total waste of money.

06 Nov 2020 17:09:33
Right guys and gals, crap week again but let's have a bit of fun.

Name a manager you would like to see take over IF Lennon leaves.
Keep it within reason not some pie in the sky name.

For me a couple stand out
Rangnick (maybe a bit to far? )
Thomas Frank who is doing great work down south.

06 Nov 2020 17:25:25
Eddie Howe is the obvious choice. Personally I'm not fussed as long as it is a young manager with modern ideas. However it ends up being whenever NL leaves they must be given full control like BR had. We don't need another PL yes man.

06 Nov 2020 17:28:24
I mentioned rangnick earlier Kev, he seems to have a good record of signing young players then moving them on for big fees . Eddie Howe who is linked, I’m unsure of. He plus decent football and done ok keeping Bournemouth in the prem but there was very little pressure on him there . They were never very strong defensively either .

06 Nov 2020 17:42:53
I don’t know anything about how a football club is run and I’ve no idea who is availability but from a purely business perspective with Celtics turnover as an international brand if DD and to a lesser extent PL don’t have a Plan B and their eye on somebody somewhere and have all their eggs in the one NL basket I’d be absolutely stunned.

06 Nov 2020 17:53:04
Steve Clark.

06 Nov 2020 18:06:26
I would say a manager on a temporary basis, who knows his way about a team and who is hard to kick some arses. With a view to a new management team and approach next year. MON, Keane, Pearson or someone until the end of the season. Then someone to rebuild next year, someone young and motivated. Maloney maybe.

06 Nov 2020 18:12:03
Chris Hughton
I know people won't be happy with this but I would bring WGS back until the end of the season with Scott Gemmill as assistant with him taking over in the summer.

06 Nov 2020 18:42:46
He knows the league
Makes teams hard to beat.
Worked at big clubs with big players.

Steve clarke.

06 Nov 2020 19:05:01
Clarke is so negative though, I know he gets teams organised but we need more than that . When Rogers came in he reinvigorated the whole club including fans . We need that again.
I wonder if lawell is digging out his waterproofs again to pop into a few showers in the hope someone takes up a job offer 🙈.

06 Nov 2020 20:28:49
Nigel Pearson
Bruno Lage
Eddie Howe.

06 Nov 2020 20:50:35
Chris Hughton was linked before Lennon got the job and I would have been happy with that. Question is, is Lennon actually going?

07 Nov 2020 00:55:04
Chris Houghton Eddie Howe Nigel Pearson are all much better than nl tactically. Howe plays attacking football however he had no plan b last year and Bournemouth were awful, Pearson could steady us like he did Watford last year b4 getting sacked when they were still staying up. Houghton been outta work for a while but think he has done well everywhere he has been so far. I'd like us to think outside the box this time and go get a young European manager maybe ex-player ala lamps and Gerrard model who have that knowledge of the modern game and give them a chance to show what they can do. Any ideas folks?

{Ed001's Note - Hughton is manager of Nottingham Forest.}

07 Nov 2020 16:03:07
Always thought someone like Solbakken would do a decent job here. Out of a job currently too.

06 Nov 2020 16:34:34
If NL has to fall on his sword to save our season then reluctantly it has to happen.
The team looks disjointed, unorganised and a shadow of the champions of last season.
In these circumstances the manager generally carries the can.
But some of those players are stealing a wage and pulling our pants down with the excuses that are coming out.
If I hear they are missing the crowd once more!
Some are doing themselves no favours in there attempt to get a move.
If a new manager comes in and suddenly we start to go on a run then it says more about the players attitude than NLs.
Like rangers attempt at 10iar, we also seem to be imploding.
But we have a chance to either stick or twist. its early enough to try and rescue things.
Even if the manager stays nothing has been lost but on current form a change might be needed.
Either way the players must take more responsibility or is the pressure of standing on the edge of history to big a burden to bare.

06 Nov 2020 17:03:09
Lennon will carry the can.
But the players shouldn’t need motivated for a history making once in a lifetime season.
It was a red flag when Fraser Forster chose to not come for a shot at 10 In A Row.
The clubs had agreed for Fraser to stay at Celtic and yet the player decided otherwise.
And on top of that other players don’t want to be at the club either.
There’s obviously something wrong behind the scenes and the setup at the club if the players aren’t enjoying working for Celtic anymore.
If the players are not playing for their manager then he has to go.
It’s not nice but the players have all the power these days.

06 Nov 2020 17:09:29
My first worry was when KT left when he did not long after NL got the job permanently and I know he wanted to better himself etc etc but it cam as a surprise to me he was so desperate to leave at that time?

06 Nov 2020 17:29:37
Good point Celtic Mad.
I was shocked KT didn’t want to stay and win 10 In A Row.
Brendan wasn’t great in the transfer market but he was a good coach.
He took Ronnie’s players and turned them into Invincibles.
The players played like they enjoyed their football under Brendan and what we are witnessing now is the exact opposite under Lennon.

06 Nov 2020 17:29:41
Spot on Celtic Mad. Wouldn't surprise me if KT witnessed the difference in set up between the rat and NL and realised it would hinder his development.

06 Nov 2020 18:25:21
Or maybe KT had an epiphany, after he got that bad hip, or whatever it was, injury, and realised he could get hurt badly any day, and the chance of big big money would be gone forever, so he thought he'd be better jumping ship and getting his snout in the trough whilst he still had the chance.

06 Nov 2020 18:44:36
Wouldn't blame him one bit if that was the case Aindoh.

06 Nov 2020 19:58:43
When Rodgers left and Lennon came in its like dating Charlize Theron who leaves you and you're next bird is Lisa Dingle!

06 Nov 2020 22:09:27
The way the modern game is now the players have all the power. Down tools and the first to go is the manager. New manager comes in players up their game to impress the new manager and go on a run of games and all is forgiven for the players and blame the manager. Till next time they get fed up. Ok if the players don't want to play for Celtic then stand up and come out and say it and then let Lennon send them to reserves. We the fans deserve more respect from the players who play for our club especially this season. Do the players want to be remembered for been legions for winning 10 ina row or the players who downed tools.
Chelsea's players down tools for years and got 3/ 4 managers sacked. It's a disgrace for any club when their players down tools. It's the fans who pay their wages that suffer the most.

07 Nov 2020 23:57:40
celtic_mad MR CELTIC Tierney was always wanting to leave regardless of lenny being there or not he was wanting to move down south the season before and Rodgers talked him in to staying for another season.

06 Nov 2020 15:44:35
Last night the Czech side were as big as 6/ 1 with some bookmakers, my two ex bears got 11/ 2 and put on £200 EACH to win eleven hundred quid each, both told me that this season they have been betting big amounts on our european opponents because they felt Celtic lacked bottle in europe, it is hard for me to disagree with them.
I am just waiting now on The Suit telling me he is a millionaire by betting against Celtic.

06 Nov 2020 16:03:01
Tim,
The last I seen they were 13/ 2 with Coral.
A few Zombies got 8/ 1 and 25/ 1 double with Sevco.
I got an 8/ 1 winner last night by betting over 2.5 goals in the 4 games involving the Celtic and Sevco groups.

06 Nov 2020 16:26:55
I had a we £10 on a rangers draw. At 89 mins they were offering me £1.60 for an early cash out then the wee Brucie bonus went in in the 91st minute. Had a £25 double backing Spurs and Arsenal too. Had a bad feeling about our game but can never bet against Celtic.

06 Nov 2020 14:28:08
We are in a major mess just now. I have been watching the manager fairly closely over last few months. What really disappoints me is his apparent lack of motivation. When things are going against the team he just seems to glaze over and sink in his seat arms folded.
I don't know if the team don't want to play for him or it's that a few of them want away.
I am actually wondering if there are health issues at play here. We are all over the place at the moment, l was hoping the critisism would galvanise the performances but the opposite is the outcome.
I'm not sure if a new manager would get these players performing, especially if some of them want out. What l can say is if a new manager got those players turning it on l would be disgusted with them it would prove to me they downed tools to get rid of the manager and didn't give the fans a second thought.
I may be way off the mark but l don't have a definative answer.

06 Nov 2020 13:27:07
There's a worrying lack of news after last night. I genuinely don't see any way back for Lennon and he doesn't have it in him to do the right thing and step aside. The International break is the perfect opportunity to get somebody in the door and working with some of the squad. If only that pesky mole would leak some info on a new manager.

06 Nov 2020 13:47:05
Who would you guys go for as a replacement for Lennon? I am struggling to think of someone at the moment.

06 Nov 2020 13:53:30
Kevboy, in his post match interview last night he looked to have just accepted the problems and that he can't fix it. Duffy is a disaster and surely someone should have realised he wouldn't suit the style we play, was Duffy a DD signing?
Certain players probably feel they were priced out of a move in the summer, we then bring in loans of players who can't get a game for their teams and are on EPL silly money, that's not going to sit well.
We bring in guys like Turnbull and Soro who must wonder why as they can't buy a start even with our top players having such poor form plus NL is not a tactician and to be honest wouldn't get an interview for another job with any half decent side.
When you look at Sparta last night their B team destroyed us because they done their homework and gave 100%, drop the prima Donna's get the younger players in and get a manager who's a professional not someone who thinks the modern game is still about having a few beers together and a rant at half time.
The warnings of this disaster were there when the players went to Dublin for a piss up 4 days before a Sevco game, that's 1980's management.

06 Nov 2020 14:27:02
pretty dumb of us to slaughter the signing of duffy now after we lauded what a great signing he was less than a month ago.

06 Nov 2020 14:56:53
DK, there's nothing wrong with making a mistake. What isn't alright is persevering with a player who is getting worse and worse. The same goes for the manager at this point.

06 Nov 2020 12:29:03
Quinn 1888 . a genuine curious nosey question . where are you travelling from . coastal europe? Is the 900 mile a round trip? a fortnightly . as I said nosey though genuine question. not a dig of any sort.

06 Nov 2020 14:33:32
Drb, sorry I misquoted on the 900 mile, it’s about 700 . I travel from Bedford.

06 Nov 2020 10:53:19
lennon 'I don't know where that performance came from'

Thats the worrying things for me, as i think anyone with eyes could see this result coming. We have been shocking at home in europe and are on the worst run of form we have had for about 20 years, if he couldn't see this performance coming and do something about it then he's not the right man for the job.

06 Nov 2020 10:58:52
tbh mate i think everyone went into this match confident of a win and thought we had turned a corner after the last 2 performances. i was confident going into last night match and am shocked at how bad we were.

06 Nov 2020 11:10:06
Woke up and I was hoping it was a nightmare🥺We still have the best squad in the league but somethings not right behind the scenes. Is it fitness? training methods? I've never called for any Celtic manager to be sacked and always back the team through the good times and bad times but my patience is nearing the end Hope and faith keep me going🙏.

06 Nov 2020 11:45:53
It’s bad preparation and poor tactics from the manager and his coaching staff.
I mentioned last week that Bain had only saved one penalty in 21 before his save last week.
What I didn’t mention was he said he FORGOT which way he was supposed to go after doing his homework on their penalty takers.
The whole set up is amateurish.

06 Nov 2020 12:09:20
Pud I disagree that we have the best squad Sevcos GK and at least 3/ 4 of their defence is better than ours.
I think Cal Mac is better than any of their midfielders but after that Davis, Aribo, Arfield and Kamara are all better than Brown.
Think we are better up top but at the moment I hate to admit their squad probably has more depth although our starting 11 is prob better.

06 Nov 2020 13:05:42
Ajer and Julien. Our midfielders are better. Barisic and No means no would do for me.

06 Nov 2020 14:30:20
have to agree with GGGG. how long are we going to sit back saying how poor they are. I think they are probably stronger than us the whole way across the defence and in goals.

They have more stronger depth in the attacking areas than us.

And on this seasons form their attacking players look way better than us, even a off form Morelos is out shining our attackers.

06 Nov 2020 09:50:13
since big Julien has been injured wee have been leaking goals for fun.

im not going to slaughter duffy and turn against him in a nasty way the guy just lost his dad a few months ago so that could be playing a part in his form. but he has to be took out the team for a bit till he gets confidence back.

with lenny i am a big lenny fan always backed him and the same i won't turn on him in a nasty way but there is something up and if there is a better option there it will come in and change things we take it. as a true celtic man i will never turn on a celtic man in a nasty way sometimes things just don't work out.

06 Nov 2020 10:12:20
Good points UI, for me defence starts with the strikers and their work rate - last night and so far this season big Eddie looks like he'd rather be anywhere else. 8s it C.V. related, I'm not convined. I was shouting for Duffy to get signed, to add some steel to our namby pamby defence but hands up, he needs taken out the team before the damage to his confidence and results are irreversible. Just a few weeks ago many on here, inc myself, were talking about the impact of C.V. and injuries to our first team, it didn't seem to affect Sparta last night! They played a 17 year old and made us look inept. IMHO there's an issue in the dressing room, there's an obvious issue with the player's performances as the results are dire, and for me Lennon is done at CP.

06 Nov 2020 11:02:31
either get ride of the players who do not want to be there and are putting in no effort and stick with the manager or you get rid of manager and bring a new one it but the same problem is there with players not wanting to be there and giving no effort. CV is not the problem i agree.

06 Nov 2020 11:40:33
Someone made the point that Duffy is used to playing backs to the wall deep in his own half. For us he plays in a higher defensive line as we are an attacking team. His lack of pace isn't suited to that style. I don't blame Duffy - I blame the poor scouting that has resulted in yet another player joining us that has made zero impact.

06 Nov 2020 12:45:35
Regardless of personal issues, family issues, formation issues there's no doubt Duffy is amongst the slowest players both running and turning who have ever managed to be selected for celtic.
He makes Wayne Biggans look like greased lightning!

06 Nov 2020 08:17:06
I really hate being negative when it comes to Celtic but after last nights performance that's difficult. Doubt if any Celtic player merits passmarks and we need to find out why. Is Edoard still suffering the after effects of C.V.?

Personally i don't think he should have been on the pitch. I know that when Rogers was here he often played players out of position I wish he was back so as he could try out Duffy for goalkeeper as Bain was woeful. The team at the moment would be very good at rugby as it is hard to remember a forward pass.

I have always supported Lennon for his passion etc both as a player and manager but perhaps his time has run its course. I really do hate the idea of sacking anyone and then i remembered that Benedict XVI abdicated as Pope because he loved the Church and realized he didn't have the strength to do what needed to be done.

We are only at the beginnjng of november and everything looks bleak. I for one do not believe at this point that there will be european football after christmas which could be to our advantage as Rangers seem to be flying.

In the remaining european matches I would play the reserves and underage players (they couldn't be any worse than what was on display last night) and the first team should focus on the league and cups as if they manage a quadruple treble and 10 in a row perhaps i will forget all about this shambles which saw us not just beaten but humiliated in Paradise.

06 Nov 2020 09:59:16
Good analogy with Benedict XVI but that takes humility. I’ve defended Neil but It’s time now to twist not stick for me.

06 Nov 2020 10:03:56
Even if he says otherwise, since Match day 1 Eddie hasn't looked like a player who wants to play for celtic. Uninterested.

The back line nothing short of a shambles, Duffy needs taken out the side ASAP.

Laxalt looks not bad however we can't hide from the fact he's played 6 matches and only been on the winning side once.

Mcgregor miles off it.

No words for the rest.

06 Nov 2020 10:28:29
Laxalt runs / tries all day but his final delivery into the box is mostly terrible . likewise young frimpong .

06 Nov 2020 07:05:51
I really fear for us this year. My first concern was when I heard weeks ago lennon say he'd brought a sports psychologist in to I still confidence? Install confidence in a team that's won most going the past 9 seasons? Y next Inverness is our level of performances especially against rangers.

The past 3/ 4 games against the we've been totally out fought, out played etc without anything given in return, that's totally unacceptable for me. Then comes that last night.

What even was that? Other than the europa league they have t played much football in the last month, they turn up with 7 first team players missing, and that's the level of performance we put in Now people can talk about us having players missing, jullien, Forrest, ajer etc, but I'm sorry we've a squad there ready and available to be putting in better than that last night, better than most games so far this season, and for lennon to talk last night about culture changes, goals that are " academic" really Neil?

Are u only just seeing this or are u just trying to paint over the cracks Those players, for me have chucked it in terms of producing for lennon, it's there for all to see, yeah I've no doubt we'll ghettos odd performance like in Lille or against Aberdeen last Sunday, but let's not sugar coat it, the vast amount of performances this season having been alarming to say the least. Something has to be done and done now, we cannot continue like this or the season will be gone.

06 Nov 2020 16:25:02
Peter Lawell and Dermot Desmond must be concerned and asking questions about the recent slump in form.

I honestly don’t think that they will sack Lennon as he is a yes man. If they do, let’s hope that Dermot can pull a rabbit out of the hat and appoint someone of the same caliber of Brendan.

I think that Martin O’Neil would steady the ship and get us back to where we belong. 🍀🍀🍀.

06 Nov 2020
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06 Nov 2020 06:34:20
The question is lads, who will come anf work under lawell? All of us know if he gets rid of lennon, thenhe will take cheap option and promote kennedy, who i think should go with lennon, when he goes, he is a defender and can't seem to ciach the clowns we have. That is the worst performance for a long long time, and i remember the days of the 90s which were brutal before fergus came in.

06 Nov 2020 07:53:46
Do you think he'd risk the backlash by promoting Kennedy? I reckon IF (and its a huge if) Lennon goes it will be WGS in the interim until a new man is brought in. Who that is I have no idea. But I fear the worst for this season.

06 Nov 2020 08:07:36
The last time I can see Celtic losing 3 games in a row at Celtic Park was at the old ground in December 1989 into January 1990.Nearly 31 years ago.
Plus it’s was 37 years since an opposition player scored a competitive hat trick at Celtic Park.
All in the one game. These players are now starting the break records for the wrong reasons.
In this season of all seasons.

06 Nov 2020 10:05:19
For me appointing Lennon was a backward step, giving Gordon Strachan the job would be an even bigger backward step.

06 Nov 2020 05:22:40
Well I watched the game with my daughter who is 9yrs old and as I stated on here last night sparta were on a different level to us last night it got that bad my daughter went and started playing board games. What is wrong with us in Europe, one game we look good the next we are pathetic, Rangers are playing well and being consistent and I hate to say this but they look like league champions. I don't know where everything has fallen apart but it has to get resolved now.

06 Nov 2020 00:08:41
The starting point for any top side is a solid defence and ours is shi$e wee frimpong cannot defend bitton doesn't exactly strike fear into a forward and Duffy has been rank. they're lieth the problem.

06 Nov 2020 08:41:12
Duffy is a real concern, he is so slow he positions himself way behind the rest of the defense.
He can't be allowed to play next game, any centre back pairing will be more solid without him.

06 Nov 2020 14:17:41
Imo we have needed a left sided cb since vvd left why was this allowed to happen? Hh.

05 Nov 2020 23:23:10
It was mentioned in commentary that before tonight Eric Black was the last opposition player to score a competitive hat trick against Celtic since 1983.
Eric Black was the only player to do so in over 52 years (1968) before tonight.
When the commentator mentioned the Eric Black hat trick, I said to my son that Celtic were winning 1-0 until Black scored in 44 and 45 minutes and Celtic went in 2-1 down at half time. Then he scored again in the second half to win 3-1.
My son was laughing at how I could remember that since I was only 9 years old at the time.
Although I could remember that Eric Black hat trick, I didn’t realise he was the last opposition player to manage it before tonight.

06 Nov 2020 09:10:28
Did fat sally not score one in the 84 league cup final?