12 Nov 2023 18:25:13
Why can't our fans just remember our war dead. I love our club and supporters but this annoys me. I've family who fought and died for our freedom this breaks my heart hearing the cheering and booing. I know I'll get pelters on here but I feel I need to say it.
{Ed007's Note - Nobody has any problem showing respect to young men and women who died in WWI and WWII, young men and women that had no choice but to be forced into fighting and dying for things they never really understood.
The thing is that all those young men and women who survived were dying of old age so the money was stopping rolling hence we are now expected to show respect to people for doing their job, remember they chose to join-up - a choice young men didn't have in WWI and WWII - and show respect to sadistic murderers, woman and kid abusers who were nothing more than hired guns to protect the richest's interests across the globe.
Forgive me for having zero respect for the hired guns that murdered Catholics for fun in Ireland or raped women & children in the Gulf etc etc the endless pointless conflicts Britain has been involved in since 1945 to protect oil etc.
The RBL pull in over £150 million a year yet all we hear about is ex-military struggling, sleeping homeless - and now it might be illegal for an ex-soldier to sleep in a tent but hey ho that was his choice wasn't it according to the Home Secretary, just like it was his choice to sign up - so where does that £150+ million go?
And another thing, I thought a lot of Celtic fans wanted to keep politics away from CP, what the Hell do you think all this poppy and Remembrance right wing nonsense is? It sure isn't about respecting proper soldiers, proper men, any soldier that served in WWII would be disgusted to see how this day has been hijacked by the right wing and the people who make money from it all - like Captain Tom, it's all a money making scam.
If we're a Club open to all surely we have to consider the feelings of our Irish & Muslim supporters, what about supporters of Indian/Asian descent who heard stories about the Empire and their war crimes?
Nobodies disrespecting your family members, Gar, they're protesting against what this time of year has become, and that sad thing is that what it has become is exactly what millions of people fought against between 1939-45.}
12 Nov 2023 19:32:53
Outstanding mate.
{Ed007's Note - Cheers, Mally.}
12 Nov 2023 19:43:34
I think those are two very fair points. Everybody has their own reasons to observe, or not observe, any silence. There are many people who are owed a great debt by us all. There are also many who don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath, nevermind treated with the same respect and reverence that is a minute's silence. Personally, I observe in respect for those who genuinely deserve it but understand why some don't.
{Ed007's Note - Respect needs to be earned, if you're demanding people respect someone or something then they never really will, it's forced on the people and that's not a democracy, that's Russia, North Korea, China & Israel.}
12 Nov 2023 19:54:06
One question for you Gar. What do you think the minutes silence was for today?
12 Nov 2023 19:55:26
With you all the way there Ed, ?.
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12 Nov 2023 21:37:27
Ed, on point, it is what it has become, not what the poppy originally stood for.
It has become about money and not for the people who need and deserve it. It has been hijacked and used by some as part of a political agenda.
Of course we all support those who died fighting for our freedoms but not all fought a fair war and not all wars were for freedoms, some purely political and were used to quash and silence dissenting voices.
12 Nov 2023 21:39:40
Isn't it strange that Celtic didn't wear a poppy on their jersey today? I was under the impression that they board didn't like the club making political statements? Hmm
I say the feck the poppy, the fact that it has been highjacked by the fascists is more reason to boo and tell them to shove it up their arses!
13 Nov 2023 08:24:45
For me it's to pay respect to those who had to defend our great country against person Germany. And keep us free. I know they are other conflicts but that's what it's really for.
13 Nov 2023 08:27:00
Am I wrong but was there not a poppy on the rear ust below the collar of the top. I might be wrong but there was something ion there.
13 Nov 2023 11:18:46
Gar I think you are spot on. For the vast majority of people it is just that. It's an opportunity for people if they wish to take time and show respect to the brave young men who lost their lives in the world wars. I don't think of it any any deeper than that. I consider it my duty to take the time once a year for one minute to be respectful and remember them. That's just my view however I don't see any place for it inside a football stadium or any other sporting venue.
12 Nov 2023 21:39:39
Ed 007 well said not many Catholics could say a decent thing about the Brits in Ireland. They did what they wanted to do and lied and perjured themselves.
Brit’s Gov seen what is coming to light and rushed the Historical Enquiry Act through Parliament to keep their evil secret.
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