Celtic Banter Archive December 10 2020

10 Dec 2020 23:03:18
Loads of positives tonight
Soro and Turnbull were excellent.
Ajer better on the right side.
And plenty of fight from all over the pitch.
The only negative is we need to keep Duffy out of the team because he will still cause Celtic more goals.

10 Dec 2020 23:32:55
Buzz Ajer was a totally different player tonight at RB, amazing performance.

10 Dec 2020 23:51:05
I cannot see why people are praising that donkey Ajer. He must be the one of the worst players ever to wear a Celtic jersey.
Anyone who knows anything about football should see that. Don’t get carried away by ONE cross, that doesn’t make up for all the goals that he has cost us and he has cost us a lot.

11 Dec 2020 00:10:08
Talk about players being played out of position been saying for months ajer must play right to get the best from him also what have missed in mid all season is someone with a bit of dig why have we had to wait this long for soror ?

11 Dec 2020 00:23:47
Buzz you and I have been suggesting Ajer on the right all season - not to mention giving Turnbull and Soro their chance.
I've never fancied him as a CB because he gets caught out so much and although we still conceded a couple tonight; the balance was better.
I said in the live chat that this team may have been just to give some players a game, but who knows what, if he had made these changes weeks ago instead of stubbornly sticking with his favourites?

11 Dec 2020 00:41:19
I’ve always been a big Ajer fan but I get frustrated when I see him being played on the left hand side, out of position.
I feel he has loads of potential, especially if we play to his strengths.

11 Dec 2020 07:32:04
Claymore what's your point?

10 Dec 2020 22:25:01
Players that have played for celtic and scored against us in Europe?

I have
Larrson
Berget
Brattbak
Weah.

10 Dec 2020 22:58:20
Larsson 😂.

10 Dec 2020 23:01:36
Yir back kev 👍🏼👍🏼 Whit about cadete and elyounoussi 👍🏼.

10 Dec 2020 23:11:53
Ffs I’m enjoying tonight and you bring that up 😢.

10 Dec 2020 19:47:41
Hi Ed. tried to post earlier so maybe a duplicate, if so sorry mate.

This is probably out of left field but.

Just wondered what you thought about Martinez and Maloney after the euros. I get the fact they wouldn't consider a move before then but they would bring a long term professionalism and modern approach.

If they are successful at the euros I know Martinez will have his pick of jobs but maybe a 2 or 3 year spell with Maloney the succession plan beyond that would give us long term stability. Maloney seems to be a real student of the game and knows his tactics inside out. who knows, can only dream eh?

{Ed007's Note - I don't watch international football so I don't know what Belgium set up like but I remember when he was at Everton our Everton editor (Ed025) and Ed001 used to speak about how poor he was at setting up & organising the defence. A flying Celtic can get away with that though and it would be an interesting appointment plus I don't think Martinez would dismiss it out of hand, even without Maloney he knows what Celtic and Scottish football is all about.}

10 Dec 2020 22:25:58
Isnt he married to a Scottish woman as well?

{Ed007's Note -

10 Dec 2020 23:04:09
Sure I mind reading they got married in a massive Chapel somewhere.

10 Dec 2020 23:44:37
Ed007 I've paid for worse 🤫.

{Ed007's Note - 😁

10 Dec 2020 23:49:49
aww there is ma wee burd xx.

10 Dec 2020 22:00:57
There we go. We've all been screaming for Turnbull and Soro to start and they're both standouts. Henderson and Hazard both impressive and Klimala put in a good shift too. It's nice to get a win for a change and against a top quality side too. Let's hope that gives the team a boost to kick on now and a lift for the fans on here too as the posts lately have been depressing. HH.

10 Dec 2020 22:48:38
Not wanting to be negative after tonights performance but I wonder why it's taken so long to make the change. It's highly unlikely that team wouldn't have pumped the likes of St Johnstone or Ross County.

11 Dec 2020 00:44:16
Hopefully he continues playing the people that put the effort in. The regulars realise they have competition now so they can watch on until they're ready to put in the same effort.

10 Dec 2020 21:59:01
What a result whole team played really well. Huge shout out to Turnbull, Soro and Ajer. Great in midfield. Henderson ran for days, played well. Great performance overall. Could see a bit of determination for once. I think that shows the issue is with the so called "Best Players" at the club. Honestly is mind boggling. Get them punted.

10 Dec 2020 23:52:34
this might be the kick up the ar** that the so called best players need.

11 Dec 2020 00:18:23
After tonite I wonder if the so called best players will line up for the cup final imo no.

10 Dec 2020 21:05:19
Not suggesting that Lille are world beaters but 5 players who are 20 yrs old on the park at the start of the 2nd half.

10 Dec 2020 20:51:09
Posting just a couple of minutes after the first half whistle has gone and I'm delighted with the team NL has put out and think that's as good a 45 mins we've played this season. HH.

11 Dec 2020 00:22:09
Don't think he can take the applause for the team selection tonite hh.

11 Dec 2020 00:54:01
Here hoping the same same 11 Sunday!

10 Dec 2020 19:40:54
Looking forward to the game tonight,
especially seeing turnbull and soro .
Big game for Shane as well hopefully a turning game for the big man 🍀.

10 Dec 2020 20:00:46
Cannot believe that he started Klimala before Griffiths. Definitely problems there.

10 Dec 2020 20:18:37
Sevekev so am I mate. I really think soro and Turnbull in midfield will liven us up.

10 Dec 2020 20:21:43
I have been involved in playing and running teams for 50 years and in my opinion Ajer is not good enough to play for Celtic. His positional sense is non existent, he takes no responsibility, every time some goes wrong he waves his arms in the air and looks to blame everyone else.

10 Dec 2020 21:01:40
Scott Brown had a slow first season in 2007/ 08 due to family reasons before he went on to become a Celtic Legend.
He was eventually taken out of the side with Barry Robson and Paul Hartley partnering in midfield.
They both helped drag Celtic back into the title race which resulted in Celtic becoming Champions on the last game of the season.
I’m hoping Soro and Turnbull can show that same fight and determination to help drag us back into this season’s title race.

11 Dec 2020 00:25:09
Aye you called that one right claymore😂😂😂.

11 Dec 2020 00:47:49
Toro and Turnbull must start Sunday pure and simple!

10 Dec 2020 15:47:11
So was reading about how our poor form will affect both Scotland's and Celtic's own coefficient ranking. The season after next our champions were almost guaranteed automatic group CL entry and second place went into CL qualifiers, but the season after that our poor showing in europe will start to bite.
The coefficient is worked out on a five year cycle meaning the earliest year coefficient points drop off which was 7, if we do not win tonight we will finish on only 3 hindering our chances for years to come as this will drag us way down.
Nice one Lawwell.

10 Dec 2020 15:58:51
Lawell doesn't play football thank the players.

10 Dec 2020 16:14:26
If Lawwell had signed Forster, McGinn and Toney what a difference those 3 players would have made, all down to Lawwell penny pinching.

10 Dec 2020 16:21:30
Has it not been proven that mcginn chose to go to England?

10 Dec 2020 16:29:31
Don't think it's so much "penny pinching" it's the business model and his interference that is wrong.
We spend plenty on wages and transfers, we have all lost count of the number of 1, 2, 3 million pound players who pass through our doors without any impact and at a startling loss of money.
Spend similar amount on a third of the number of players and we will maybe start to compete at a higher level.

10 Dec 2020 16:36:33
The Players have showed previously they can play better under Lennon.
Lennon has showed he’s incapable of turning it around. 2 wins out of 12 proves that.
The Board have inexplicably waited too long to change the management team.
Basically everyone inside Celtic Park have to take equal responsibility for this disastrous season.
No One Is Blameless.

10 Dec 2020 17:01:09
The damage was done over a long period of complacency and short sightedness by our Board, who thought they'd won the Lotto in 2012; Only doing enough to dominate domestically, while buying cheap - selling BIG and European football was neglected as results (bar one or two) show this over the nine years or so since the birth of TRIFC.
No-one could have predicted the C.V. and subsequent events, but we have shown poor preparation and planning for years before that.
If reports that Lawell will leave at the end of the season are true, he (like the previous manager) , could have been immortalized but the way things are going he'll be lucky to escape torches and pitchforks.

10 Dec 2020 17:02:27
McGinn got fed up waiting on us, if we paid what they wanted early doors he would have came. And would now be playing every week in place of Broony. When Lawwell ballsed that up and started signing players like Shved that's when things started to go pear shaped.

10 Dec 2020 19:03:41
Chinks67. Shved made 2 appearances, with 1 goal in the Champions League after coming on as a sub. He was never given a chance. Maybe a new manager will bring him back.

{Ed007's Note -Mechelen manager Wouter Vrancken said this about Shved last week:

"I don't feel like I should be wasting my time on him anymore. The players and staff have done everything they can to include Shved in the squad, but he puts himself above the group.
He regularly arrives late and even pretends not to be here.
The staff and the players have talked to him several times and I spoke to him in private, I also addressed him in the group. But we haven't got a response.
Well, it stops now. If he wants to be a loner, he can. Go play billiards for the rest of his life or something.
He doesn't want to belong in this group where everyone jumps through fires for each other. He is introverted, but his arrogance makes it worse.
There are many players in football who have not got the best out of their career, despite all their talents And the way Shved is going, this will happen to him too.
If these comments get a response from him and make something click in his head, then so much the better and we will have a high-quality player on our hands."

10 Dec 2020 19:06:05
Tim spot on those 3 players would have took us to the ten but we went down the cheap option.

10 Dec 2020 13:50:53
Hi Ed; I always rated Gary Neville as a pundit and analyst. He talks a lot of sense and has a wealth of experience (like Lampard or Gerrard) and always felt he was capable of coaching/ management. I know it never worked out for him in Spain, but do you think he could be successful? The reason I am asking as we are being linked with Paul Lambert and Jack Ross and although I would love to see Petrescu at Celtic Park, Gary Neville may have a lot to offer as a coach in some capacity?

{Ed007's Note - Not for me mate, Neville talks a good game like a lot of pundits but I wouldn't want him near the Celtic job.}

10 Dec 2020 14:51:25
OK Cheers mate.

{Ed007's Note - 👍

10 Dec 2020 14:57:36
Ed what’s your thoughts on Petrescu his name seems to be doing the rounds? I know nothing about him.

{Ed007's Note - I really don't know that much about Petrescu but his teams are very well organised and well drilled in defending/exploiting set pieces and people who know more than me rate him as a coach, Ed002 speaks highly of him as a man and coach. He doesn't like dealing with the press but is that a bad thing in Scotland?
One thing in our favour is that he is desperate to manage in England at some point so spending a few years in Glasgow would probably help that.}

10 Dec 2020 15:40:58
Cheers Ed interesting. 👍 I think not being too keen on dealing with the press is a positive benefit. They do us no favours.

{Ed007's Note - Definitely.}

10 Dec 2020 16:35:13
15 clubs in 16 years, we need someone to develop our young players which would more likely be someone who intends to stay about a few years.
One of the biggest disappointments of the last 10 years when we had total dominance was not developing and producing a lot more acadamy players.

{Ed007's Note - That's got nothing to do with who the manager/head coach is. It's another job that should be down to a DOF, working alongside Chris McCart to produce youngsters good enough for the first-team who have already been learning to play the way the Club wants.
The Club have no fluid system that allows youngsters to break through, well run clubs already know that if X players keeps progressing he should be ready for the first team in say 2022 after progressing through the youth system but Y player might need a year out on loan before he'll be first team squad ready in 2023.
These processes and systems should be running throughout the Club regardless of who the manager is.}

10 Dec 2020 16:59:54
One thing about Petrescu is he knows how we are set up, he has managed a few cluj victories and could possibly know how to get us going.

10 Dec 2020 11:24:09
celtic fc share price 10/ 12/ 19 =£162.50
celtic fc share price 10/ 12/ 20 =£104.00

that is what happens when the football club does not perform.

10 Dec 2020 13:57:28
Probably taking from left field here as I have no facts to substantiate this but.

It's apparently Lawell's last year. Now I don't know how his bonus is worked out but imagine it's £1m (arbitrary figure) to be paid in shares. Now take a club whose share price is great and the football is great (9 in a row and trebles coming out its ears) . At £162 a share that's a lot of shares. But if Celtic have a crap season and the share price drops to only £104 then at 'divi' time that's a heck of a lot more shares. Even if his bonus is not paid in shares he could buy a helluva lot more at £104. Has he then been the prime mover in keeping Lennon as he knows to maintain a crap share price (or better share price) he needs to keep Lenny in charge? He may have figured that Rangers are maybe a one season wonder and "normal service" will be resumed and so the share price will go up again to previous levels. /

If anyone is interested I have comments on the moon landing and JFK assassination too!

Back to reality and I hope we have a great performance tonight. The league is not gone as I firmly believe form is temporary and we have to improve at some point. right?

Later champions.

10 Dec 2020 19:09:31
Stubbsie get aff that wine 😅😅.

10 Dec 2020 21:06:37
Prefer the Campari mate!

Nice to actually be enjoying watching Celtic again - very good first half. The trick is now to keep it together for the second and with the energy and enthusiasm we are shown I think we will do it.

Later Champions.

10 Dec 2020 09:30:56
Oh for a quick speedy winger that can stretch teams and cross the ball. hopefully santa is listening.

10 Dec 2020 09:58:02
Scotty Sinclair wasn't too bad but he couldn't get a feckin game under Lennon. HH.

10 Dec 2020 11:23:33
We've somehow went from Sinclair, Forrest, Roberts, Hayes, Johnston, Shved and Morgan just a season or two ago to - emm, err Frimpong.
The young Dembele is lightweight, but might have done a job in a couple of the recent games? Anyway; I agree, we do need wide men.

{Ed007's Note - I don't think you can count Shved or Morgan as both were honking and Shved's problems are continuing at Mechelen where their manager recently slaughtered him in public about his arrogant attitude, lack of effort in training and in being part of the team. Roberts wasn't here 2 years ago.
So out of your list we still have Forrest & Johnston and we've added Moi who has scored 11 goals & has 5 assists in 21 games which are similar stats/ratio to Sinclair's first, and best, season for Celtic. We've lost 2 players in Sinclair and Hayes who was more a LB than LW for us and 2 players that were never good enough to play for Celtic.
If Forrest and Johnston hadn't been injured the only complaint would have been proper cover for Forrest.}

10 Dec 2020 11:59:34
We were close to Christian Atsu in the summer, very close, he is still available and a free agent at end of season, money got in the way at the end in the summer.

10 Dec 2020 11:59:36
Maybe a striker who can header those cross balls into goals because Edouard has only scored a couple of headed goals for Celtic which is a shocking statistic.

10 Dec 2020
New image uploaded to the
Celtic Player Sightings page entitled, Just got sent this. Now it’s getting stupid (if genuine)

10 Dec 2020 10:29:32
really stupid now mate. the board have says they are backing him so why keep protesting and adding negativity to this situation. and giving the papers negative story's about our club.

get behind the team regardless if you Lennon in or out this league is ours to win i believe come January when some want away players are away and some new faces added wee will kick on and win the league it will be close but that's what will hurt them more at how close they were and blew it.

10 Dec 2020 10:51:29
This league is ours to win! United ireland it’s actually frightening some of he stuff your writing on here lately! And so the board is backing him so everybody just pipe down and watch this horror show get even worse! These people who are taking the time to go down there and set up a PEACEFUL protest should be commended! If we all had your way of thinking back in the early 90s we mite not have a club to support! Pure fantasy to believe we will get to January, get rid of some players and we’ll kick on!

10 Dec 2020 11:48:53
to compare the 90s and todays situation and say some of the stuff i am writing is frightening baffles mate. in the 90s our club was about to go under. today we have went on a bad run of games wile dominating Scottish football for the last 20 year went out a cup for the first time in 4 years we have hut a bad patch in performances that is all.

yes the league is ours to win 24 games remain we have 2 games in hand and play the sevies 3 times with that calculation the league is ours to win. you keep on crying danny bhoy and protesting i will keep on supporting and keeping the faith. i will never concede the league.

10 Dec 2020 11:57:55
Danny United Ireland is right. The board has obviously made the decision that there is no point in changing managers at this stage of the season whether you or me agree or don’t. Possibly the person they have their eye on isn’t available at present? What are we meant to be protesting about? The board didn’t sell any of our prize assets which looking at the current situation they should have. Eddy and his buddy Ntcham being first on the list. Signings may not have worked out but they spent big money. It could be argued that they were caught sleeping at the wheel because the Klan should be nowhere near us but you’re not seriously telling me we need to gather in the Celtic Way to wake them up? DD and PL might be many things but daft isn’t one of them.

As United Ireland said what's this protest going to achieve other than further undermine player confidence it certainly isn’t going to tell anybody anything they don’t already know.

Bottom line here is we’re on the verge of a quadruple treble. We’ve won the last 11 out of 12 trophies. We are financially sound. So it’s very difficult to see the protests other than self entitled petulance by those who haven’t figured out you can’t win all things all the time. Sometimes you lose. We have a divine right to win nothing. We are not the ‘peepul’. Hence the criticism the protests have received to that effect by people with an affection for club including past players Sutton, Alan Thomson et al.

The protests of yesteryear was a different scenario. We were a club in decline. A crumbling stadium. Owned by a family stuck in the 1800s lining their own pocket. Official at attendance today is 46,000 when there were fans sitting round three track and you couldn’t get your hands in you pocket for your fags. We’re hardly there.

Some of the banners ie. shoot the board are utterly indefensible. No wonder it has drawn criticism from a manger from Lurgan whose received bullets through the post and who might just be a tad sensitive to the banner and any reference to shooting. It might have been a joke but it was a bad one.

Is it going to motivate the current squad? Is it going to help attract players? Is it going to help attract a new manager? For me it’s just embarrassing and is undermining the team and our cause. I don’t give a monkeys feck what the press or other fans say I just doing like to see our own fans behaving in a manner than most reasonable people would consider inappropriate. So what’s the objective of the protest and what do you think it will achieve Danny?

10 Dec 2020 12:21:31
Great posts UI and JFP1888.we are all frustrated by results and the boards stance, no other manager in our clubs history would have survived the recent run of results but at the end of the day we are Celtic Supporters. more chance of a positive reaction if we get behind the club in this difficult time, remember in the 90's. support the team and every goal was celebrated followed by "Sack the Board". as said earlier DD and PL are not daft, they know what the feelings of the majority of fans is but nobody could have predicted how this season has gone. we all thought we had a good summer transfer window (mainly due to not selling Eddy) but hindsight is a great thing. i will always support the team. i have supported teams with Wayne Biggins in it!
HAIL HAIL.

10 Dec 2020 12:24:47
The worst season Celtic have had in the last 20 years was in 2009/ 10 under Tony Mowbray.
It was the only season Celtic had no chance of being Champions going into the last game of the season.
If Celtic don’t win tonight Lenny will have only won 2 games out of 13 games.
Mowbray who was in charge of our worst season in 20 years was correctly sacked although he won 8 of his last 13 games in charge.
That’s why our fans are having a Protest on Sunday for change.
Those figures tell their own story that Lennon should’ve been sacked weeks ago.

10 Dec 2020 12:32:39
Markie Wayne Biggins and Carl Muggelton! Wasn’t much to laugh about with that team. Funny other than Tommy Burns some of the best football I’ve seen is play was under Liam Brady and won nothing.

10 Dec 2020 12:36:12
Buzz and the board don’t know that?

My question was what will the protest achieve? If the answer is nothing then it’s a waste of time.

{Ed007's Note - I'm with you, JFP, I just don't know what the point of this is. With the game being a 3 o'clock kick-off and the protest starting at 1 the organisers are saying it won't coincide with the players buses arriving, so who's actually going to be at Celtic Park to protest against, some poor wee security guys getting minimum wage?
Also, will the organisers make sure that the crowd has dispersed before the team arrives or will they just wash their hands of the guys that will no doubt hang around to vent their spleen at the players and coaches as they arrive?}

10 Dec 2020 12:41:18
Nothing at all to do with crying United ireland! It’s to do with opening your eyes and seein what’s rite in front you! We’ve a ‘manager’ and I use that word loosely who freely admits that the players are lacking hunger, confidence, fitness, desire! Exuse me but who’s job is it to instill that in the players? He knows and the players know that he’s a spent force and he will be out of a job soon! As for the arrogant cants who run our club and put up fences around our stadium to keep fans away, who are so detached from what our fans are thinking it’s scary! Lawell has presided over a club who has regressed steadily over the years! Who made over 3 million pounds out our club last year despite another champions league embarrassment! He’s lorded it up for years now and the first sign of a challenge we’ve crumbled! CL embarrassment EL embarrassment and on course for the worse goals against in the history of the tournament,13 points behind in the league and 20 plus goals worse off,2 wins in 12,no home win since September, no shots at goal in a Glasgow derby, manager slaughtered players then takes it back the next day! We are leaderless and fkn rudderless in the biggest season possibly in our history! But hey let’s just get to January and we’ll be fine! We’ll win our games in hand we’ll be the currants 3 times and we’ll go on a long unbeaten run with a manager who admits he’s tried everything to sort it and failed! Aww wait a need tae go, there’s a couple a pigs just flew by ma hoose! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️.

10 Dec 2020 12:52:03
Agreed Ed 👍 the point is lost on me.

10 Dec 2020 13:15:35
you are just not getting it danny the board have says they are backing him and its the protests that made them back him even more.

so why have a protest and shout abuse at the players when the bus arrives and make the want away players through the towel in more because of the abuse.

10 Dec 2020 13:23:48
Now now buzz don’t let hard facts get in the way of some people’s fantasy! And UI I am more than getting it! The board have backed a lame duck and have ruined any sort of chance to claw back the deficit in the league! So forgive me if the board backing a guy who shouldn’t be in the job doesn’t fill me with any sort of confidence! Their contempt for fans is sickening! So yes while screaming at players isn’t my cup of tea, a peaceful protest against the board for gross negligence is more than warranted!

{Ed007's Note - Will the board be in the stadium during the protest?}

10 Dec 2020 13:28:54
Spl might switch game to kilmarnock hh.

10 Dec 2020 13:33:31
I agree with Danny who’s highlighted loads of good points on why a change is needed.
The protest is to try and achieve much needed change.
It’s not acceptable for Celtic to have 2 wins from 12 games.

10 Dec 2020 14:36:46
Guys.

There is nothing wrong with making your feelings known to the Board or players. It just has to be done with dignity and respect.

DD and PL are not the sort of guys who would crumble at the first sight of bother - it's not in their DNA. If anything I think they might be guys that would probably hate being dictated to by force of ignorance and shows of aggression and dig in deeper just to prove a point. The only language that gives them the fear is a terrible report from the accountant. The problem there is that to do that by not buying tickets and "merch" it not only hurts them but the team.

The reality of winning the league at the current state of play is that Rangers are in the box seat but there is a long way to go. Currently I wouldn't put £50 on us but as a fan and supporter I would never concede anything either.

I posted, tongue in cheek, earlier about PL and our share price but I firmly believe they are not stupid and he, and DD, know something we don't. They spent big in the transfer window and never sold our "top" assets. It is what we all wanted and they delivered on the player front. The manager is a separate issue though. No one foreseen our demise, how could they/ we? In some way I actually admire them sticking by Lennon's side and showing him some loyalty - even if I think it's blind and wrong.

Later champions.

10 Dec 2020 15:31:22
United ireland I totally agree. Danny does make good points. I think most of us agree with . But the bottom line is protests only add negativity which is last thing we need. Ithings can change quickly. I can't believe that fans are dismissing out of sight that we can get back into it We need to believe it possible collectively. Together. Not split into different camps. 24 games to play. Would b sweetest of lot.

10 Dec 2020 18:20:03
Danny what they are saying is get your green glasses on nothing is wrong when you have them on we don't have a really really bad manager and we are sitting top of our league with 13 points in green speck land.

10 Dec 2020 02:08:28
The only thing I blame. Lennon for is the terms he accepted the job. The whole first team coaching staff were recruited by others and the majority of transfers are done by others. Yes, he's the manager so ultimately responsible for results.
I have watched plenty of Lennon interviews to know that when Celtic are playing good or bad he generally gives an honest response. Of late, however it's as if he's watching a different game and I believe he is only doing this from a clubs point of view (protecting assets) and not being able to give his honest assessment.

His interview today. He talks about season starts now, confidence etc but at same time he says kimala soro Turnbull will play as they deserve it? So the same kimala soro Turnbull who can't get game time against Scottish teams are about to play against Lille? So if the team gets pumped Tom, what does that do for confidence? Yes, I want to see these guys play, so probably most but I find the fixture for giving them all game time strange. I really hope the board aren't having an influence on team selections now. I can see it being another 4-0.

10 Dec 2020 10:01:04
Tam, the game is irrelevant. It is meaningless. The normal first team squad are getting pumped regularly so it does no harm to give other lads a chance. HH.