30 Nov 2023 18:30:48
Just a theory but IF this 5 way agreement exists And I think it does, And I am sure that the Celtic board know what is in it. Does anyone think that the board just want to be ahead of the rest of the SPFL just a little not enough to romp home every year to keep the interest of the Scottish league going? To the detriment of Europe as long as we qualify for a European competition that will do for the board?
30 Nov 2023 18:48:15
Tony2bhoy . what's the 5 way agreement .
30 Nov 2023 19:21:17
Apparently it was an agreement between Charles Green and the SPFL/ SFA about conditions he wanted in place before he bought Sevco I don't know what was In the agreement there is things on the net but not sure how true they are but some do make some sort of sence when you see things like no FFP in Scotland.
30 Nov 2023 19:25:44
The 5 Way Agreement is a document signed by The SFA, SPL, SFL, Rangers FC and Sevco Scotland.
We are guessing it’s regulations they all have agreement to abide by.
I believe that Lawwell is telling the truth and hasn’t seen the 5WA.
Lawwell and other Scottish Clubs were sent a copy of the first 5WA but Charles Green refused to sign it.
I believe in the original 5WA, there was a possibility of stripping of Rangers honours in it and Charles Green point blank refused to sign the document by the deadline date.
The deadline date was only 2 days before Sevco played Brechin in their first ever match in the Challenge Cup.
The SFA folded by granting Sevco a phantom temporary licence to play Brechin and they gave them an extra week to sign the 5WA.
What I think happened next,
The following week the 5AW was signed by all 5 organisations.
I don’t think anyone has seen the new 5WA and that’s corrupt to say the least.
In the LNS inquiry, the stripping of Rangers honours wasn’t a sanction on the list.
WHY?
Because it must mention in the new 5WA, that the old club can’t be held accountable for their “cheating years”.
That’s only my personal opinion and I believe that Lawwell seen the original 5WA but not the real one.
30 Nov 2023 19:33:58
Tony2bhoy, Many have expressed the same view as u, and who can say it isn’t right .
I wonder how Celtic Board d have managed by just staying ahead of the rest have managed to win 11/ 12 SPL titles .
Very successful when only staying ahead, especIally when Scottish referees are only predictable when giving bias decisions towards Rangers2012 and against Celtic.
30 Nov 2023 19:47:01
Any other league in the world would strip honours won by cheating, in Scotland no one seems to have batted an eyelid!
30 Nov 2023 20:23:32
Bhoy88, the other Scottish clubs and supporters don't care how many honours (albeit by cheating) that the EBT mob stacked up.
It is only important to Celtic and to a much lesser extent Aberdeen fans. So there was no outcry our real dissent to punish them by a Null and Void verdict. The Asterisk years as we called them. The Nimmo Smith Judge farce was as blatant and biased as you would expect from the Scottish football hierarchy.
30 Nov 2023 20:25:08
They would batter more than an eyelid if it was celtic though for sure.
30 Nov 2023 20:29:17
You can read the draft version that was sent to all the clubs here.
It definitely exists and was responsible for resurrecting Rangers. The vast majority of SPL clubs would have had to sign. I would be very surprised if the clubs signed it before reading it.
30 Nov 2023 22:28:14
The 5WA definitely exists but I don’t think Charles Green signed that one put up by Weejoe.
That’s probably the 5WA most people have seen.
But I don’t think anyone ( including Lawwell ) has seen the real 5WA, outwith the 5 organisations involved.
01 Dec 2023 04:39:03
At least 5-10 people have seen it, as it needed a signatory and witness from each of the, SFA, SPL, SFL, Rangers (IL) and Sevco.
I would be extremely surprised if Lawwell has not seen it. If we cast our minds back to resolution 12, I recall Lawwell saying it was pointless pursuing Sevco as no action could be taken, which I interpreted as him acknowledging the 5 way agreement, part of which prevented Sevco being pursued for the sins of oldco. Obviously I cannot say for certain, as we have not seen a signed copy and and no one has spoken about it.
Who do you think leaked it Buzz? My guess was Craig Whyte or Charles Green.
01 Dec 2023 11:01:14
I don’t think the original copy was leaked because it was intentionally sent to guys like Lawwell and Stewart Milne of Aberdeen.
They weren’t hiding anything in the original copy but Charlie’s Green never signed it.
I don’t think anyone outside those 5 organisations have seen the real copy and the last person I believe they would show it too is Peter Lawwell.
That why it’s corrupt because it’s one set of rules for Sevco and another set of rules for the rest of Scottish football.
01 Dec 2023 15:22:36
Obviously we are both surmising as we don't know the exact details of what went on.
Just curious why you think Lawwell has not seen it?
01 Dec 2023 15:41:34
I don’t think anyone has seen it outside those 5 organisations.
Lawwell isn’t in those 5 organisations and that’s why he said he hasn’t seen it.
I don’t understand why people still think Lawwell has seen it, when nobody else has came out and mentioned they’ve seen the real 5WA.
That’s why it’s corrupt.
{Ed007's Note - Eric Riley was on the SPL board in 2011 and 2012.}
01 Dec 2023 16:08:40
You would think that PL would insist on seeing it as it affects not only Celtic but the integrity of the league. I really do think he has seen it and agreed to it just my opinion.
01 Dec 2023 16:30:38
If Peter Lawwell has seen it and he’s lied to our fans and our shareholders at the AGM, that should be a sackable offence.
01 Dec 2023 19:16:56
I don't think Peter Lawwell would have a problem lying to the Celtic support.
For example someone at Celtic just made up stories about the green brigade to paint them in a bad light. While I don't think it was Peter Lawwell directly, I do think he was involved and possibly the main driver of it.
He also done everything in his power to make sure resolution 12 was kicked to the long grass and let every Celtic fan down when he let the SFA and SPFL refuse to revisit the LNS verdict when the HMRC case completed and it was clear that the verdict was based on a false premise.
It only makes sense that he done this if he was aware that there was a clause in the 5 way agreement that ensured sevco could not be pursued for historical offences.