Celtic Banter Archive November 23 2020

23 Nov 2020 21:29:50
Fraser Forster is on the bench for Southampton again tonight.
He has only played one game for Southampton since 2017.
I doesn’t make sense why he would want to sit on the bench instead of trying to make history with Celtic.

23 Nov 2020 22:48:11
90 thousand good reasons why he picked that option buzz!

23 Nov 2020 22:59:41
He'd have had to take a massive wage cut and maybe he could see the writing on the wall too.

23 Nov 2020 23:00:52
He probably seen what was happening and decided its not worth the grief, if the club is a basket case, with most people wanting to leave, you have to ask why. The only plausible reason is the manager/ coaches. Lots of the players do well at internationals, but not at club. Hope we can get some good results and performances, but ultimately i can't see lawell sacking NL. I may be wrong tho. Just wanting us to win.

23 Nov 2020 23:01:02
Do you think having him would have made any difference to the mess we're in now?

23 Nov 2020 23:14:18
It's pretty obvious buzz.
He 's seen first hand what's going on and thought it's not for him simple or he would have came back.
Barkas what we have seen doesn't look anything special and for 5 million it's not just the rangers that will be laughing their tits off AEK must be having a chuckle too, some fee for an average looking keeper in the current situation.

Still can't get my head round why we went for him.

24 Nov 2020 01:53:27
One of barkas first interviews he said he was originally an outfield player and enjoys playing outfield at training. should maybe give him a go at right back or something.

24 Nov 2020 06:17:27
Or striker.

24 Nov 2020 08:10:15
Buckiebhoy &Celticbhoy what exactly did Forster see to make him think how this season was going to be, he was part of a team that were blowing teams away and just won title number 9 and a possible 4th treble in a row he went back to Southampton for the money same as all modern day footballers it’s all about the ridiculous salaries they are on. No one saw how this season would start, to suggest Forster saw it coming is nonsense.

24 Nov 2020 08:46:34
He came back to us on loan last season because of lennon.

24 Nov 2020 13:09:22
Oldkilly, he was between the sticks when Sevco ran us ragged a few times and we rode our luck. And plenty fans on here saw this coming and FF just might have also. Money no doubt played a part also but if he thought we were on the up I think he would have come.

23 Nov 2020 19:27:57
NL is living on a game to game basis now.
Not a situation anyone wants.
So the best course of action would be to change manager and hope the damage is not already done.
But some of those players should hang their heads in shame.
The board have questions to ask themselves.
Have we got a good squad that are under performing due to bad coaching and man management.
Or are some players just not good enough or have some simply put the tools away and don't want to be at celtic anymore.
Player power always wins.
So its inevitable NL will loose his job.
The phrase "lost the dressing room" does that also apply to Brown. known for being the gaffer in their maybe he needs to start kicking some arses.
So who do we bring in.
I think Steve Clarke would quickly sort that defence out. He seems to have got the Scotland boys pulling in the same direction.
Probably wouldn't happen now.

23 Nov 2020 19:41:43
JJ I’ve been banging the WGS drum but would be delighted with Steve Clarke. Unsure he’d come though. If you remember he stated after the sectarian abuse he received after Kilmarnock played the KKK that he now remembered why he left Scotland. He could undoubtedly get us over the line and already has the players respect.

23 Nov 2020 20:11:55
Clarke won’t leave Scotland when he’s just qualified for the Euros. That job is bigger than anything celtic can bring right now considering Scotland’s circumstances.

Celtic are the only fault here. Lawwell signing Lennon was the issue. If you remember back ED had spelled this exact scenario out. Standards have dropped at Celtic, the players clearly don’t have belief in that management team.

23 Nov 2020 20:25:28
There’s now rumours of a MON and Roy Keane dream team.

23 Nov 2020 20:55:01
We've got a great squad of players. For whatever reason they aren't playing to anywhere near the level they're capable of. That is down to the manager I'm afraid. A change in personnel is vital.

I'm not a fan of players/ staff returning but MON was a fantastic motivator first time round. I wouldn't be against that team coming in - even if only to get us 10 in a row.

This is the last dance. Huge clear out of players next summer then see where we are

KTF.

23 Nov 2020 21:15:55
Please God not Roy Keane. Amen.

23 Nov 2020 22:11:34
Who’s dream buzz? A nightmare more like!

24 Nov 2020 12:17:23
I've long been a defender of NL but I'll concede now I don't see a way out of this for him. Perfromances have been poor since the start of season and there is no hint that he has any clue how to change it.

Personally I blame the senior players in the team, guys like Brown, Calmac, Eddy - the levels of the last few years have simply not been there. We've been unfortunate with injuries to Forrest and Julien (both huge losses) but we should have enough to combat that.

We can't defend, at all. And we're so predictable going forward. We are deviod of ideas and our players look fed up. Things have to change, however the big question is who do we turn to? There is no obvious candidate.

If we are all honest Lennon and Brown should have been stood down at the end of last season, the best foreign coach our money would stretch to should have been brought in - take all emotion out of it like we did in 97 with Jansen coming in and Burns/ McStay leavig the club.

23 Nov 2020 18:37:50
I have a feeling (based on nothing other than a hunch) that the Sparta game on Thursday will be Lenny's last in charge with the club making some sort of announcement on Friday. HH.

23 Nov 2020 19:28:32
If that's the case i hope he drops the players who want out so we all see what's going on, play a team of players who want to be there and youngsters.

23 Nov 2020 19:47:32
Steve 100%. If you don’t want to be here feck off no matter who you are and Steve Clarke is the man with the balls to say it.

23 Nov 2020 20:06:34
I think Eddi is starting to come onto a game now, there were a few signs against Hibs, him and LG could start banging them in, and it could happen on Thursday, could turn the whole season around.

23 Nov 2020 20:24:22
aindoh
If we beat Sparta 10-0 it won't turn the season around. HH.

23 Nov 2020 20:24:59
And that would change the situation with Lenny? Our season is slipping away and the only way to fix it is to make a change. Lenny is the most obvious starting place. Eddy banging in a hat trick and beating Sparta would only paper over the cracks. I hope your right incidentally but Lenny still needs to go now, gone too far, played poorly since last season towards the end. Glad it ended the way it did as we could have thrown things away then!

23 Nov 2020 20:56:09
Perhaps the players are wanting out because of Lennon.

23 Nov 2020 16:33:18
I think between now and our next league game would be a good time for a new manager to take over the reigns.
Celtic have potentially 8 domestic games before we visit Ibrox in the New Year.
It's a good run of fixtures with the potential of 6 home games, a cup final at Hampden and also an away game at Hamilton.
Victories in those games keeps alive the chance for Celtic to win 5 Trebles In A Row.
Celtic have only played 5 home games in the league this season.
Although our home record hasn't been good in Europe, we have an impressive home record in domestic football.
Apart from the 2 Derby defeats, Celtic haven't dropped any other points since the 2018/ 19 season at home.
Celtic have also won all our home domestic cup games.
There's plenty for a new manager to work with and bringing someone new in now would be an ideal time for him to hit the ground running.

23 Nov 2020 17:32:33
BB if there’s going to be change it certainly needs to be now.

23 Nov 2020 17:32:39
Obviously there have been too many games this season where we have been disappointed and frustrated by what we've seen and it's clear several players are unhappy or unsettled and moral is very low.
We are stuck with this squad until January; we can't go on like this for another two months, so the obvious remedy is managerial change. However, it has to be spot-on, not a quick and cheap fix or another scenario like when Dalglish took over from Barnes and implosion.

23 Nov 2020 14:30:40
Seen that Gordon strachans name has now been thrown into the mix as a sort of "save our season" to replace Lennon. Supposedly he's still in good contact with lawwell and Desmond and having his son on the coaching team seems to be where the link is coming from.

Not sure how to feel about it all to be honest, when Lennons been out slating his team then I think it's a clear sign he's lost the dressing room, god I really hope we turn this season around.

23 Nov 2020 15:23:37
He'd do if he was taking over immediately until a permanent manager was appointed. I've a bad feeling Lennon is here to stay though. There hasn't even been the dreaded vote of confidence.

23 Nov 2020 15:35:37
I think WGS could be a good hand on Neils shoulder as a short term solution. He’s a motivator and can set up a team and played and managed at the highest level and is more than fit for the Steven Gerard fan club aka the MSSM.

His reference to ‘we’ in a any comment relating to Celtic doesn’t do any harm either. It’s worth a punt for me. It’s potentiality too risky bringing in a new manager at this stage yet Neil evidently needs support. WGS is an old head and could provide that support to steady the ship.

It’s a good all round solution for me. The first thing that needs done is call out those who don’t want to be here and hunt them. No matter who they are. ‘The best thing about becoming the Celtic manager was that I got to know Tommy Burns as a friend’. WGS just might add that wee bit of stability and grey hair that’s needed at the moment.

23 Nov 2020 15:46:07
I said 'never-go-back', when NL was appointed as it rarely works out and I would say the same for WGS - although with Lawell, it's always the easier (cheaper) option and it wouldn't surprise me.
These players need a 'new broom' to sweep away cobwebs, clean up a few attitudes and brush-up on fitness, tactics and confidence.

23 Nov 2020 17:48:58
100% agree Celtic_mad.

23 Nov 2020 12:11:23
I MUST need my HEAD looking at

I guess most of you have had to put up with various gloating sevvies recently (humility is something they do not understand)
My two ex bears and The Suit have been in full "superiority mode" and their confidence in a first title in 10 years knows no bounds, so much so they have "enticed" me with a bet, they are willing to offer me 3/ 1 on Celtic winning 10 in a row that shows me how arrogant they are. They also know I have money set aside for my bets and want to goad me into this bet, although usually I do not take much goading, so I have set limit of £100 each for this bet meaning I risk £300 to win £600 plus get my original £300 back.
Luckily lately I am ahead with my bookmakers accounts thanks to my football penalty bets and the new Editor ED046 hitting a winning streak over the weekend which I availed myself of, I am not proud, I will accept good advice anywhere lol
In the past my ex bears own arrogance has won me lots of money so I am hoping this bet bursts their bubble again.

PS ED007 do not worry I have already set aside monies for your Food Bank appeal as normal this year, yes I need all the GOOD KARMA I can muster lol.

23 Nov 2020 15:59:55
It’s worth a bet at those odds.
£300 @ 3/ 1 will get you a profit of £900
I put an accumulator on last night with Coral
Celtic to win the league @ 5/ 2
Liverpool @ 7/ 5
Bayern Munich CL @ 11/ 4
And finally France to win the Euros @ 11/ 2
Accumulator pays over 200/ 1.

23 Nov 2020 16:48:49
I'm just waiting on the moment we appoint a new manager and if we're not too far behind (current standing is nothing) I'll be betting us to win the league. Until that happens I'll be keeping my money in the bank.

23 Nov 2020 18:47:40
Would it not be 200 to win 600
2 pals 100 quid a bet.

23 Nov 2020 10:45:43
My friends Enrico only thinking of ways to help current situation so he doesn't want lambasted for thinking.

Could we try and get Martin O'Neill back in as some sort of director of football to help Lennon out?

How about asking Big Johan Mjallby back into the coaching team maybe help out with coaching for the defenders?

I don't know my friends I am just starting to worry you know?

Enrico does not see Lenny walking away abs unless Dermot has an idea of replacing him with good quality manager we might lose more ground.

23 Nov 2020 11:07:43
Sorry Enrico but I disagree

For a start a manager with the experience Lennon has, should at this stage in his career not need a father figure to hold his hand and pick tactics for him.

Martin O'Neil? No way! He has not done anything of note since Aston Villa.

Johan Mjalby? I think you are trying to relive nostalgia and its not way forward. We need a total overhaul and fresh ideas.

I'm not trying to be over critical mate.

23 Nov 2020 11:26:04
Phil my friend Enrico understands and can see your point of view.

It was just a thought my friend. I am like you I want this addressed as quickly as possible but do not know what the best option would be to get things back on track.

The club must take whatever action necessary to get the team back performing again.

23 Nov 2020 11:29:44
While I agree we need total shake up I don't think that can be done mis season unless we are accepting league is over.
Safe steady pair of hands, organise defence, revitalise dressing room and push on for rest of season.
Line up long term man with his own coaching team to come in for summer and see over a massive revamp of the squad.

23 Nov 2020 12:51:43
hope lennon is replaced but i've no idea who we can get at this stage, i fear lennon will see out the season and then call it a day and pl replaces him with kennedy and brown becomes a coach.

23 Nov 2020 18:51:35
Does anyone think lennons ego would allow someone to come in and help

If derby are close to appointing rafa dd should be trying to get him in.

23 Nov 2020 09:50:25
OK, so
Lennon has won 5 of the current 9 titles.

Lennon stepped in when the rat jumped ship and he completed the Treble.

Lennon has won the League and League cup last season and we are on the verge of winning the Scottish cup and an historic Quadruple Treble.

Players who were heroes last season are not even getting the basics right (can't cross decent balls, second to the ball after free kicks etc., can't get back to defend. )

A few bad results and it's sack the manager!

We have blatant bias being shown by refs (and wee Frimpong is getting hacked down at least once every game)

evco are on a good run in fairness to them.
We have 2 games in hand

wee bit of reality needed sometimes.
The players need to take a long hard look in the mirror as THEY are not doing their job on the park.
(I agree that NL is staying too loyal to certain players but the ones he is keeping in are playing just as bad)

23 Nov 2020 10:28:20
TinyTim, it's a bit worse than 'a few bad results'.
Let's stop blaming refs for our shocking performances.
The Sevs are going to be out of sight soon if we don't take drastic action.
The players are delivering what they are delivering because the manager doesn't know how to change it. HH.

23 Nov 2020 10:32:10
Lennon won first 3 with no completion after rangers imploded, he won number 4 when Rodgers left with us miles in front.
He inherited what Rodgers had created and managed to win the 5th title after they fell to pieces in second half of season.
Anyone with half a football brain would have won those titles, even Delia won 2!
This is his first real challenge and it's fell to pieces.
Time to go.

23 Nov 2020 13:10:29
Rangers didn't implode they were Liquidated.

23 Nov 2020 13:24:04
Tiny Tim I’ve got to pick u up on a few things. this is much much worse than a few bad results! The writing has been on the wall since the ferencvaros game! Absolutely embarrassing against the currant buns! And just horrific against Sparta Prague! Struggled in practically every game this season! Late goals against st Johnstone dundee Utd and scraped victory against st Mirren! Much much worse than a few bad results mate! And as for the refereeing bias, please don’t go down that road for gods sake! It’s not the refs fault we are 11 points behind mate! The part I will agree with is the players, like I’ve said to them! Some of them have nothing short of a disgrace at times this season! Ideas way above their station some of them! But at the end of the day the manager will take the fall, and the time for that has come!

23 Nov 2020 14:17:09
Agreed Danny, it's nowhere near a few bad games. We have all mentioned things like;-

* shocking individual/ team performances
* dressing room unrest
* players wanting to leave
* team selections
* team formations
* bizzarre substitutions
* Lenny's post match interviews

The list goes on and on so far this season but one stat that is killing us right now;-

* 13 goals conceded in 13 games. Last season we conceded 19 in 30 games.

24 Nov 2020 12:14:57
I don't think you can put the blame solely on Lennon but he definetly has his part to play and the lack if tactics is clear for all to see.

23 Nov 2020 03:21:14
Just watching Bains interview on CelticTV, Fair play to him calling the guys out for putting zero effort in chasing after the penalty, I feel you can sense a bit of friction in the team from his words.
Might not be just the Manager that's lost the dressing room, looks like a clash between players too.
And as we go through the season I think of this more and more. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Over to you DD.

23 Nov 2020 07:46:52
Just have to look at the body language and lack of team spirit on the pitch even after we score and you sense the 'bad vibes' throughout.
Recent interviews with Duffy, Cal-Mac, Broony and now Bain also reflect the players disharmony and even friction within.
Compare it to the mood and enthusiasm of the Celtic contingents involvement in the Scotland squad and it's obvious we need a change.