Celtic Banter Archive August 07 2020

07 Aug 2020 23:21:06
As for who we should get it, to me it's obvious, forget wingers, strikers midfielders, it someone like Kolo Toure (spelling) did under Brendan, to sort out the defence, a calming influence from an experienced talented centre back at the wrong end of his career, Julien is ok, but their is a frailty there, Ajer is not a midfielder, and I don't think he is a centre back either, there must be someone like a Franc Sauzee out there, who could be brought in, so that Julien can learn of, that Ajer can understand how to play in that position, the job of a centre back is to defend first, everything else is a bonus.

08 Aug 2020 08:20:27
Toure played about 3 games and selled one at Motherwell but he could dance 😅.

08 Aug 2020 10:56:41
Aindoh are you having a laugh? Kolo Toure was finished by the time he joined us and jumped ship along with Rodgers at first opportunity at a crucial point in season! Aye great influence!

08 Aug 2020 11:29:47
I thought he was Ivorian not Finnish.

08 Aug 2020 12:35:12
Lol Mark76 that was an all time classic the caller who thought Niemi was Scottish lol.

08 Aug 2020 13:33:20
Never gets old philtim88.

09 Aug 2020 11:44:09
Ideally a CB that's quick, strong and dominant in the air as our weak link is with set pieces. Maybe with Barkas in goal we will defend them a bit better as he's meant to command his box well. As good as big Forster was he was far too flappy at crosses into the box.

07 Aug 2020 15:17:28
We all know where we need to add, cb and two wingers.
Its also important that Ajer, Eddy and Ntcham extend their contracts unless their value would drop a lot.

Out
Bayo loan/ sell (need games)
Shved sell (for one or another reason we never see him play)
Bolingoli sell (not good enough)
Rogic sell (big wage and plays 15game per year)
Ntcham ( I would only sell him if he woudnt sign another contract)

In
Cb Liam Lindsay (not in first plan with Stoke, is also a left sided cb)
Lb Barry Douglas or Hickey
Cm Liam Henderson (plays well in italy, knows the club)
Cam David Turnbull (buy him now and send back on loan till januar)
Rw Martin Boyle ( good cover for James and small fee)
Lw Kristijan Lovrič or James McClean
Cf Toney (league 1 player and has 1 year left, so I woudnt pay over the odds)

07 Aug 2020 16:22:10
Most supporters would agree with a lot of that post and it sounds very sensible. Is that you Neil?

07 Aug 2020 18:08:59
One of the best and most measured posts I've read in a while.

07 Aug 2020 21:49:01
Sensible yes measured yes not ambitious enough absolutely.

07 Aug 2020 22:22:54
the boy melling still my no.1 choice at left back. has he signed with anyone?

07 Aug 2020 23:56:26
Meling joined French club Nimes last month for £900 k
At that price he would have been worth the gamble especially having played at International level with both Ajer and Elyounoussi.

08 Aug 2020 04:50:08
I would've liked to have signed melling years ago but our scouts had seen him and never thought he was worth a punt, the fact he went for so little to me says a lot. He played well against us but maybe he raised his game and never showed much after that. We need to trust the scouts.

08 Aug 2020 08:56:40
Hickey would be my choice for a LB no question, the lad has a future in the game. I think Taylor is getting better all the time and I have no qualms about him.

If we can get Ajeti and Hickey and another CB and keep everyone else we will be good to go.

08 Aug 2020 10:35:44
Lindsay, douglas, henderson, boyle and mcclean are not good enough for us. Although Mcclean would be a laugh.

09 Aug 2020 11:51:38
Mad how we never seem to sign players that do well against us. Remember Moi years ago giving us a hard time think we was linked with a £1m move for him back then too but nothing happened. Meling is another one that's looked quality against us and again well within budget. £3m on Boli but no offer for Meling someone needs shot for that lol.

09 Aug 2020 19:25:06
You exposed me, after last night talk with him, striker will be Ajeti not Toney.
Your Neil Lennon.

10 Aug 2020 13:43:02
He signed for Nimes in France.

07 Aug 2020 14:33:03
This situation regarding Aberdeen football club is a joke. According to reports all clubs were given strict guidelines in which to follow and Aberdeen have clearly ignored these or sorry 8 of their players have ignored these so my point is this, why should St Johnstone or any other club affected by those players stupidity suffer by having their match postponed? Had any player caught C.V. through no fault of their own I can accept that therefor if games have to be postponed I'd accept that, but for me it's a blatant disregard for the guidelines and putting themselves and others at risk, for me St Johnstone and any other club that may be affected by this they should be awarded the 3 points and a 3-0 victory as a way of punishment. Of course we all want games played but I'll be fuming if our game against them is postponed because of this.

07 Aug 2020 15:05:59
agreed garyc1977
same as those idiots in the pubs up there i have a friend has a restaurant up there now he has to shut because of the imbeciles.
its not one size fits all this has been caused by a few pubs why not just shut the pubs that caused this they know who they are tuff if they go out of business. so we all have to suffer this is not on.
now those idiots who play for Aberdeen now have it who do they think they are Aberdeen fc own these players better stop there wages, we where lucky sturgeon did not shut all Scottish leagues down bet she thought about it, so send Aberdeen fc the bill, all the business who make money through football send Aberdeen fc to foot the bill. im raging we can all choose to do this but have respect for our fellow human beings and trying to do our bit to get rid of C.V.,

07 Aug 2020 15:21:00
Irresponsible and reckless behaviour that may put the whole fixture list up in the air after weeks of careful planning and stringent rules and requirements that were well explained and highlighted.
Unfortunately far too many young fit people reckon - so what if I get it? I'll be fine and to hell with everyone else.
I agree with the anger from the First Minister and everyone else who is doing everything correctly and they deserve repercussions; but I think if you hit Aberdeen with sanctions, it won't be long before another club will get caught out and then the season is in chaos.

07 Aug 2020 15:34:15
I hope the SPFL insist Aberdeen have to play games even if it means fielding youth players. An example has to be set.

{Ed007's Note - The St Johnstone game is being played on the 20th and the SPFL have said that Aberdeen's next two matches against Accies and us will go ahead as scheduled.}

07 Aug 2020 15:38:55
100% agree its irresponsible and reckless. Wouldn't deduct 3pts as i think it could easily happen to us. Just the other day LG through a house party for his bird's birthday. Be hard controlling C.V. as more things open up. Not wanting to jeopardise league over something that could effectively be out of our control.

07 Aug 2020 15:47:04
The SPFL will need to get some sort of rules issued
for all clubs that don't follow the guidelines. They will need to look at all scenarios that could happen due to C.V. and let everyone know what regulations they have for the rest of the season. As in punishments for non compliance, how many games need played before null and void can be rolled out etc.

07 Aug 2020 17:12:53
It was reckless and irresponsible from the Aberdeen players.
It’s not the first time the rules were blatantly broken.
A couple of weeks ago 9 Untested Sevco players played against the Dundee Utd first team and that was swept under the carpet.
The rules will continue to be broken.
Until the SPFL put a strict punishment process in place.

07 Aug 2020 18:16:04
Folks. wait a minute here.

Swings and roundabouts surely

Players wofe goes to a baby shower. gets C.V. . comes home. he gets C.V.2 players and 2 wives and kids go to park for a sunday stroll . the 2nd player gets C.V. .

They go to work on Monday. they are unsuspecting. they pass it on. and are involved in big groups . and so 12 get told to self isolate

This can and will happen . players cannot be shielded in everyday life .

Now these players did show disregard. but 1 could have gone out and then on the Sunday spent a day with 5 playing poker in someone's house. same thing

I think there is a lot of luck involved here

Mote, celtic players do not go around all week in Ghostbusters suits .

07 Aug 2020 18:20:32
They should deduct them the points.

07 Aug 2020 18:43:21
Lubomir, I don’t get where your coming from, baby showers etc. I don’t care what’s people get up to in their private lives, it’s up to each individual to do what they feel is right under current circumstances however football is no longer a hobby it’s a business and above all that like it or not those players broke the guidelines set out by the government regarding CV19 which ALL clubs agreed to before football was allowed to restart so in saying that can u not see where the problem lies here? Put it this way, St Johnstone train all week under these new circumstances only to find out 24 hrs before a game they can’t play because half the opponents team have went oot for a bevy after getting beat aff rangers and putting in a bang average performance? Have you watched mcinnes’s interview?

07 Aug 2020 19:28:29
Cheers Ed007 for update, I never knew that mate. I thought their games were postponed lol.

{Ed007's Note - 👍

07 Aug 2020 19:41:45
Their wives are happy to spend the money players earn, so have to follow these rules too. Football can only go ahead if everyone follows the rules, footballers wives should not be going to baby showers.

07 Aug 2020 19:43:18
By the way andyfitness clubs don't own players they own the rights to their services.

07 Aug 2020 19:49:53
The problem is not attending a baby shower (another yank import) , a beer garden or pub, or even a game of strip poker - it's observing and strictly adhering to social/ physical distancing at all times.
Being allowed to meet/ mingle does not mean compulsory body contact.

07 Aug 2020 21:08:04
As things stand.
Considine will be suspended for Aberdeen against Celtic.
He received a 2 match suspension for dangerous play last week.
Considine will now be suspended against Hamilton and Celtic.

07 Aug 2020 22:25:57
You can't expect punters to go into a pub and respect social distancing and C.V. hygiene after they have had too much of the amber nectar, it's up to the pub management to keep control and enforce everything that needs enforcing, if they have to hire more security, that's what they need to do, and put the price of the booze up to pay for it, if they can't control the pub environment, the police need to shut them down on the night, and keep them shut, untill it's safe to have a drink and obey the C.V. rules, the Aberdeen players aren't to blame here, the pub managers, who allowed unmanaged queues outside their premises and probably a free for all inside, are the ones to blame, maybe it's a bit drastic, but if they don't obey the rules any offending pub should lose their licence and be closed down pronto.

07 Aug 2020 22:59:56
Lubo after reading your post I thought it was going to ask at the end. What's the wife's name? 😂😂😂.

07 Aug 2020 23:57:07
Anne Marie.

08 Aug 2020 07:34:57
Aiindoh, u say the Aberdeen players aren’t to blame here. read what derek mcinnis has said on this matter and I think you’ll find the players most certainly did do wrong. Like it or not in these current times 8 players going out to a pub/ restaurant is against the protocol set in place by the governing body, the government and all the spfl clubs have agreed to this in order to get the game up and running. Make no mistake a repeat of what these clowns did will likely result in the game being shut down again and going by sturgeons reaction to it it doesn’t look like she’ll hesitate to do so. Listen any other time outwith this CV19 clearly what they did isn’t an issue it’s normal, but this isn’t normal times and these guys get paid handsomely to do what they do. If they wanted a meal and a bevy that much why not stay in the bubble the club have worked hard to protect and use a hospitality suit inside pittodrie?

08 Aug 2020 13:26:20
Nothing like staying the obvious stephbhoy2.
They pay there wages they feed them train them motivate and encourage all in all look after them. They have been asked to stay indoors and like you g teens they ignore there arogance is humiliating for Aberdeen. I would soon let them know I'm in charge here and I the fans pay your wages you had better remember this
follow the rules like everyone else and don't bring a football club down and embrace it. I wonder what the dons fans are saying I bet they can't believe it.

08 Aug 2020 20:00:57
I cannot see how pubs within 10 miles of stadium can be open on days when even
one third of the stadium max crowd, are attending . These islands show that we don’t handle alcohol very well .

09 Aug 2020 19:29:52
so are football players not allowed out to socialise? they have been tested positive. have we heard any of them having symptoms? just seen some one wrote they caught CV19. c'mon now this is a wee bit silly. this virus is nothing to be shutting the planet down for. the more you test people the more your gona see positive results. should be concentrating on how many people are dying from it. survival rate is like 99.7%. this all my opinion each to their won. but common sense tells. u can't even be not well now that u have been tested for C.V.

09 Aug 2020 19:30:23
What a total load of rubbish

The aberdeen debacle is a debacle HOWEVER players will not shield and there will be 1001 situations where players will inadvertently fall foul and suffer the consequences

The Aberdeen players where wrong to be out and being so brazen . but noone seems to want to acknowledge pr admit that players will or could contract CV and inadvertently ( like a domino effect) be the cause of widespread disease.

You don't have to do much wrong. Aberdeen pkayers WERE wrong and that's disappointing

This won't be the last time. Indeed, I don't think the season will roll on without havoc weighing heavily as we move in to winter

On Twitter I was ridiculed for calling the seasons end along with a minority of others. the rest is history

Behavioral scientists, if they were the betting sort, and knowing what we know about your average footballer in Scotland, would bet on debacle after debacle.
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Ed when this happens please re post this!

07 Aug 2020
New image uploaded to the
Celtic Player Sightings page entitled, Here we go 10 in a row

07 Aug 2020 13:33:17
Bayo reportedly off to toulouse, not sure if it's a season loan or permanently.
If we manage to get ajeti in on loan and keep a hold of edouard I'd be happy with this window.
I know some folk don't like loan players in but I think it's a good way of trying before you buy incase you end up spending a decent amount upfront and they turn out to be a flop.

07 Aug 2020 14:05:59
Think our defence could be strengthened.

07 Aug 2020 15:16:56
Another CB to make it 4 that can play there regularly and another couple like Welsh and bitton that can step in when needed.

If we are making loans they have to have options to buy for me, unless they are proper massive players.

07 Aug 2020 07:52:31
Ed
Firstly i don't want Fletcher but why can't we get deals done. Lennon says we are in discussion with his representatives. He's a free agent, supposedly wants to come here. Toney, Aljeti all seems like soap operas. You any insight into the drama of our transfer dealings.

{Ed007's Note - The only dramas are being played out in the media and by fans online.
Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered but no more than that. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent formally about a transfer and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.

Agents will often try and get more specific details of wages and other financials before they should - but most clubs are happy to follow this process. Players will often talk to other players about moves but, whilst wrong, is tolerated as it would be impossible to manage.}

07 Aug 2020 11:37:57
ED007 these issues are surfacing because of a couple of things, a lot of people on here are looking at Sevco and watching how they seemingly move quickly, agree fees and wages and boom all done and dusted.
Whereas, the perception is, and at times it is right not always, that the bold Pedro plays silly buggers, ala McGinn last year, and will not agree anything until he gets even the smallest discount off a player's asking fee. His ego can be a problem in these deals at times.
You know, and I know Sevco do things at times out of desperation and have a compliant Scottish press core who only print positive spins on their signings, but some of our fans, my Tim pals included, keep asking how they can move so fast, while Celtic do not.

{Ed007's Note - Maybe they should dial back their infatuation with another club and what they do, it must be like supporting two teams for them trying to keep up with what Celtic and TRIFC are doing - but I'd bet they look up the TRIFC news & gossip first. It's now went so beyond embarrassing the amount of time Celtic fans spend talking about TRIFC they've actually became "Old Firm" supporters rather than Celtic supporters.
Every summer we read the same whining and bitching because TRIFC are buying players and we aren't, ask your Tim pals how many of their signings over the last few years have been a success for them and how many would have got near our first team?}

07 Aug 2020 13:32:54
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.

07 Aug 2020 14:11:51
Cheers ed
Celtic and Rangers fans will judge each other until the end of time. Every Celtic/ Rangers forums comment on each other. This forum has its own section to do just that. Its part of Scottish football.
On the Transfer front seems very complicated. Our transfer dealing seem to be drawn out. Big pete loves to haggle. Outgoing its great, incoming its frustrating for us supporters.

{Ed007's Note - This forum has it's own section to do that because I can't be ar$ed dealing with grown men acting like kids - have you seen the state of the Celtic page on the TRIFC forum, it must be one of the most embarrassing pages on the entire internet. Just because people do it doesn't make it OK, they're grown men after all. There is not another support in the world so creepily obsessed and infatuated by their rivals than sections of the Celtic support, look at the so called Celtic bloggers who spend their entire lives writing about a club they supposedly hate. Ask yourself why that is, it's because they know that the obsessed Celtic fans will read it because it's about TRIFC and TRIFC fans will read it to undermine it, they don't care as all those hits mean £.
You've got one crackpot weirdo out there charging folk £10 a month to read a blog!
As I said, let's call them what they are, Old Firm fans, even though they say the OF doesn't exist they're helping to keep it alive with their downright weirdness.}

07 Aug 2020 15:18:04
How much does a transfer cost in terms off Agents fees etc? Does this usually work as a percentage so higher value transfers have more fees or do agents have a set rate? Also is this price included in a transfer fee or is this over and above?

07 Aug 2020 16:31:49

It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the Premier League.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £44M plus VAT on agent fees (nearly double the next highest) last season alone).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Solidarity and Training Contributions (see below).
(n) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (usually waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:

(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays). This is generally (there are exceptions) recoverable from the buying club but responsibility (that is meant to be with the buying club) can be assigned to the selling club.
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribunal if necessary. This is generally (there are exceptions) recoverable from the buying club but responsibility (that is meant to be with the buying club) can be assigned to the selling club.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.}

07 Aug 2020 19:20:26
Ed
Agree with the bloggers and some in both support obsession with each other. Never went on any Rangers site so i will take your word about the other site.
Personally believe most football rivalry has obsession with its biggest rival. Work in Edinburgh and Hibs/ Hearts hate each other. We maybe see ours more as we live in that bubble. Cheers fir the transfer information.

{Ed007's Note - I very much doubt anyone with even a morsel of self respect would admit to being obsessed with their rival team. If two Celtic fans meet in a pub the chances are they'll be talking about TRIFC within five minutes.}

07 Aug 2020 20:54:06
🤣🤣🤣 never said they would admit it. Disagree about the pub part. Celtic fans would be slagging the board about transfers. Zombie bashing would be after that.

07 Aug 2020 10:09:04
Brandon Barkers wig is a better. Reminds me of the old hamlet cigar TV adverts back in the day.

06 Aug 2020 22:34:19
Can we just agree ; that we is not us but them. They are they, and they tell us what to pay, when to pay; we pay. If we don't want to lay them, we don't. If they want to buy or sell a player, we don't have a say. We do however have the power to buy, attend and support our great Club. Which we do and if we stop doing that we all lose. HH and for good or for bad, Celtic FC is the best team ever.