Celtic Banter Archive July 12 2016

12 Jul 2016 23:10:38
Absolute embarrassing, I would have been better off getting 10 boys from the pub, and we would still beat red imps.

13 Jul 2016 00:55:50
This was a very embarrishing low . I M O not many of our players seemed to be too worried or upset . It might have been hot, it might be our first match under B R but I didn't see enough signs of players ready to drop from exhaustion or many falling down with cramp.
I said often enough last season to be careful what we were wishing for when R D was getting the abuse every week . I thought when we got B R a top manager from the EPL everything will be rosy but I should have known success or almost success in EPL doesn't mean anything special. We shouldn't expect Rodgers to work miracles immediately but wee signs are worrying, playing Ambrose and putting Forrest ahead of Roberts . In fact at the end of last season under R D we felt Roberts was one of our star men and so far under Rodgers he has gone backwards at a might rate . We need Roberts back in the side playing.

12 Jul 2016 23:06:09
We have all came to the conclusion that ideas and management isn't enough. We will see them off at home but it isn't enough. 2nd or 3rd round after that seems like a challenge. Same faces have played through numerous disappointments. It has been broken, weakened and patched up with no avail and nothing learned. It has been crystal clear for years that this squad isn't upto scratch. Years.
Our engine room has failed. add to that our GK our attack and our defense are without defense.
It is too big a job to correct in this window Imo. It's too big a job to correct in 2 windows. I really don't care who is in charge. They have the shortest and most fragile contracts in the game. It is capable and talented players that will give you a chance. By my count we are short by at least 9 players to turn this squad around and I don't say that lightly.

12 Jul 2016 22:56:20
Whats the story with kris commons? Need him back to save the day next week.

12 Jul 2016 22:40:04
This talk of most embarrassing result in history is nonsense, losing to Artmedia 5-0 in WGS first game was worse and didn't do him any harm in the long haul, losing to Karagandy 2-0 was just as bad, in my opinion our most embarrassing result in history was being put out of last seasons Scottish cup by FC Sevco, that was embarrassing.

12 Jul 2016 23:24:13
Those were professional full time teams, think you are deluding yourself.

12 Jul 2016 23:53:02
Again stevie if that was Deila tonight you would be gunning for him. Rodgers is not the answer get him packing.

13 Jul 2016 06:34:47
Deila would've been slaughtered had he been in charge last night, no doubt about that. Difference being this was Rodgers first competitive game granted it was totally unacceptable and the manager and team deserve all the criticism coming they're way, deila's teams were rotten for 2 years. If u think BR will get booted after 1 result your deluded mate, how many shocking results/ performances under RD was there before they finally got shot of him? This game will totally be turned on its head next week there's absolutely no doubt about that, I also believe the performances and results will come, the main thing we need ASAP is to get experienced signings in now, not next month and get rid of the dross ASAP starting with ambrose being released from his contract. The guy just doesn't have it, can't believe this guy gets paid a fortune year in year out to play for the club we all love and CONSISTENTLY let's the fans, manager and team mates down.

12 Jul 2016 22:32:36
I have complete faith Rodgers will sort out Celtic, but when it comes too brown and Barton ther is only Gina be one winner, brown is sh#t and gas been for the last two seasons, Rodgers has a big choice too make move on, or stand still with the captain.

12 Jul 2016 22:54:35
Im the same, in no way panicked after the result and agree brown is absolutely pathetic and should be let go asap.

12 Jul 2016 23:09:23
What a lot of garbage, why are you talking about Barton a second rate player with a newly promoted club.

12 Jul 2016 23:14:33
There are a lot more important positions needing filled IMO. A top quality CB must be a priority before the next round (if we get there 🙈) and another winger. Griffiths must be moved back IMO.

12 Jul 2016 23:20:59
Because this is a talk forum that's what we do, and all the talk ( ok mostly media bullshit ) but all the same its a talking point and as much as I gate to say it brown will no live with Barton, he couldn't control a bloody waiter tonight.

13 Jul 2016 00:04:24
Brown will run over the top of Barton.

13 Jul 2016 01:04:32
To highlight anyone player tonight and criticise him isn't fair, we had our most inept team and three subs that I have ever seen playing together . Of course Brendan Rodgers is going to tell that MSSM that it wasn't embarrishing what else could he tell that lot . That's not to say Rodgers didn't tell the players how embarrishing they were .
If it had been me who was manager I would tried to put the players in the hold and sent the luggage first class.

12 Jul 2016 22:15:19
Yes we all know he's not the best but too many posts blaming Ambrose for that defeat. Have a word with yourselves. He is not the reason we lost that game tonight.
It's only half time so calm down.

12 Jul 2016 23:05:02
The defence was'nt the reason that Celtic lost the game, the reason was the midfield was not creative or dominant, remember the opposition was part time, BR might be able to bring in cover for the centre of defence, but if he keeps relying on Brown, Biton, Johansen (when he's fit) , Forrest and plays Griffiths out on the wing, we're doomed.

12 Jul 2016 23:09:17
Calm down we just got beat by a bunch if waiter's, I have faith Rodgers will turn things round but to say calm down after watching that is definitely the wrong response, we have no structure the current team is not good enough, I would rid 6 to 7 of that team tonight, the same guys that beat them is most probably serving ther drinks tonight embarrassing.

12 Jul 2016 23:21:30
I agree but I do think Efe needs to leave, the pressure he is under is intolerable we couldn't expect anyone to play well with that level of scrutiny. In saying that you are right there was far more wrong with the team than just him. Rogic gave the ball away all night, Christie on that performance seems further away from the player we thought he might be, Biton although talented slows the play too much and overall we were too pedestrian with the same over passing we seen last year. Hopefully BR will be able to work this out of the system and get us playing quicker and when necessary more directly. We will win comfortably next week though.

13 Jul 2016 01:00:45
64: fair point about Efe and very diplomatic: its fair neiher to him or to us.

Before Biton had a good run of games I didn't see him pass the bal square or forward. That sems to be his narural mode, and if he's worth keeping we need someone in there with the lubo-like pass. Only johanson on his day has anything at all. Wales were found out badly lacking Ramsey's link up play and so for me that's the priority position: and an expensive one to fill.

13 Jul 2016 01:21:08
I agree with the four of you . We had very few players that could have any pride in their performance tonight . It looked like a pre- season friendly and no player got stuck in to make the game his own . As far as I can see Ambrose is always left one to one on an attacker in front of our goals . Why is he not covered and why is it not the other defender who picks up the lone striker .
That team didn't have the ability to isolate their attacker on Ambrose, it was more of the case that Erik didn't pick -up striker
Ambrose gets too much abuse, deserved or otherwise from the Celtic crowd and would be better gone.

12 Jul 2016 22:00:31
Lets not beat around the bush here, Ronny Deila would have, and did, get hammered for results and performances like that. Its only fair that Rodgers gets the same treatment. Griffiths on the right wing, Ambrose in the starting 11, Brown taking free kicks and worst of all, Paddy Roberts spending the whole night on the bench. Shocking! Huge improvement needed from Manager and players.

12 Jul 2016 22:33:57
I have to say, you couldn't really tell there was a difference between last seasons poor performance . Unfortunately, it seems u can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. These players have continually failed and let the club and supporters down on a regular basis . Time and again they have failed, when a game of some importance comes along. I understand people will look at br but how much can he do in basically 25 days . The players are weak, they talk the talk but bottle it regularly . Why they persist in playing this slow football confuses me. In all honesty, it wouldn't bother me if any player was sold because in the cold light of day, they are not good enough.

12 Jul 2016 22:40:37
That must be the worst result, not only in Celtics history, but in the whole of Scottish football, although it is irrelevant (I hope) , as a pointer to zCeltics season, I hope RD doesn't do the same as Ronnie and keep playing players that underperform, Ronnie was afraid and kept relying on players that had big reputations, introduce younger players and give players that hvent had a proper chance to show what they can do.

12 Jul 2016 23:24:47
The fact that Efe played is indicative of the state of the club at this time. I don't know who else could have played there tonight. We need to buy a quality centre half immediately.

12 Jul 2016 21:35:08
So ED do u think finally we'll see the end of ambrose in a celtic top? I just cannot watch this guy again! Yes the team were woeful as a whole but this guy has got to be told to leave or paid up ASAP! I cannot get my head round BR playin him in the first place! And do u think this will make the manager realise just how big a job he's got on his hands! Money has to be spent now!

{Ed007's Note - Ambrose had to play tonight, Beav, there was nobody else. It would have been stupid to play a youngster out there tonight.}

12 Jul 2016 21:49:02
Poor all over. Think pitch had a bad effect. ED can i ask do you strongly beleave BR and the board will bring in strong signings?

{Ed007's Note - It depends what you mean by strong signings but I believe that they will bring in signings that will improve us.}

12 Jul 2016 21:55:46
I'm sorry Ed, only my opinion mate but why not go with o'connell? Could that boy play any worse than ambrose does on a regular basis? I can understand people's thinking on ambrose playing due to experience etc but I'm sorry, this guy let's the team down way to often and should never be in a Celtic jersey. That said, I have no doubt whatsoever that we'll score a good few next week.

{Ed007's Note - Again just because of the pitch Rodgers might not have wanted to put pressure on a youngster and make his job harder for him. That's just my thinking, with no Sumunovic, Boyata or Mulgrew it was either Ambrose or an untested youngster on that pitch. For what it's worth I'd have made the same choice.}

12 Jul 2016 22:04:28
I agree Ed, although I think Ajer would have coped it would have been a gamble, if he made a mistake he might never recover.

{Ed007's Note - Ooops I had forgot about Ajer lol but as you say, he's still only a young lad and it would've been a gamble too.}

12 Jul 2016 22:22:33
I just hope we can get him out sooner rather than later ED. every game you watch when he plays your hearts in your mouth and you just know he's going to make an arse of it and generally when he makes an arse of it it's costly.

{Ed007's Note - I feel the exact same about Craig Gordon lol.}

12 Jul 2016 22:35:20
The reason I said Ajer ahead of the other 2 young lads was partly down to him probably having played on astro in Norway.

13 Jul 2016 01:29:00
If a goal just after half time with 45 mins left was enough to beat us, then we cannot solely blame Efe . I think everyone need to feel their place is in jeopardy.

12 Jul 2016 21:23:18
Great site, first time poster. After the defeat to Lincoln surely BR must see that he can't EVER rely on ambrose. Shd b his last ever game in the hoops. Also what was Forrest doing? Didn't try a leg IMO. Armstrong and Cifti both tried and put more effort in and seemed to raise pace in second half. Is it just me or do we seem to move the ball faster when our team is full of youngsters? To many other players seem set in their ways re speed of play. The board must release funds if we are to progress under BR.

12 Jul 2016 21:17:05
1st time post, great site and great comments. Most of the time. Don't get carried away and let emotions run to high. We will win the 2nd leg, this is a message to the board again. Yes we need to build for the future but every team needs a spine unfortunately we still don't get that. PL Time to step up and show us loyalty. We have in you and your lack of ambition, don't loose what is the greatest support in the world because of a balance sheet.

12 Jul 2016 21:37:35
Celtic will win the return by 6/ 7 goals I'm sure but the board have to back the manager and invest like the Last true time they did with Martin Oneil, another year of mediocre performances (not only from Celtic but Aberdeen and Hearts) will ultimately make it impossible for Celtic or any Scottish team to challenge in Europe.

The board must speculate to accumulate and invest now!

12 Jul 2016 21:38:21
Yes but will the board listen. That's the question.

12 Jul 2016 21:41:24
Got to agree. We will win the second leg easily but as for it being a message to the board. The board haven't Heided the message for the past 3 years.

12 Jul 2016 21:09:22
Worst result in history.

12 Jul 2016 21:54:30
The bears that attended the 7-1 game may disagree Marco.

12 Jul 2016 21:05:06
Enough is enough.

Efe needs to be paid off. Costs us every time.

As for Bitton he needs to go, slows everything down we need speed and pace in there.

Think Brendan will learn more from this defeat than if we win, he will clear the dead wood.

12 Jul 2016 21:36:08
If your gona go on about bitton why not brown? 2 of them useless. Brown needs dropped.

12 Jul 2016 21:59:08
Brown was one of the few that I would give pass marks from a playing sense, but wasn't able to inspire as captain.

12 Jul 2016 22:48:02
On what basis?

12 Jul 2016 21:02:19
What's wrong with Lennon, RD and now Brendan Rodgers? Where on earth do these guys see ambrose as a football player? Seriously, what's it going to take to get rid of this guy? He must have some serious shit on somebody behind the scenes at parkhead for him to continually get anywhere near the first team. wake up to this guy he's a ****in clown!

12 Jul 2016 21:24:45
Gutted at the result tonight feeling so down but Gaz your comment "he must have some serious shit on somebody behind the scenes at Parkhead" made me laugh out loud brilliant!

12 Jul 2016 21:47:25
Gazcfc21, it's true though mate. What about playing the boy o'connell? Whoever we play there is no place for ambrose in the team. We played East Kilbride last season and he was rotten, playing a bunch of postmen, joiners, brickies etc tonight and he canny even play decent in those games. The guys a proven liability mate.

12 Jul 2016 21:00:38
Well congratulations celtic on a new low. Well done to all involved.

12 Jul 2016 20:58:16
I don't post too often but that was a disgraceful performance, can we now stop talking about the other side until our own side is actually playing some sort of football that we can be proud off, granted pitch was shocking but shorley we knew about that and should of done practice or a friendly on the same type of pitch. Also I liked ambrose and thought maybe he could come good but that has to be him gone. Amongst a few who are taking it for granted there playing for a big club. Rant over!

12 Jul 2016 20:53:43
Plays 433 with no width genius. will go back too 442 probably. Playing your 40 goal a season striker on the wing. BR trying to 1 up delia clearly.

12 Jul 2016 21:21:04
Deluded Brendan 😂😂.

12 Jul 2016 20:48:24
Just watched what I would say as one of our worst games in a long long time boy have we got lots to do at Celtic park. Some of our players need to pull their fingers out bad bad night .

12 Jul 2016 20:54:30
Regardless of the current transition, we lacked imagination and skill. Again!

12 Jul 2016 21:01:34
Or just, get out?

12 Jul 2016 21:03:03
Our Capt, the Capt of our ship chooses to sail in calm waters when bravery at the helm is what is required. Playing so deep to be almost to the game. Very poor.

12 Jul 2016 21:08:41
Same old turgid display we had last year and the year. Bad no awful defending ( if John Kennedy is the defensive coach he needs to go) .
Biton and Brown hardly got across the halfway line there is no drive, heart or skill in midfield.
No invention in the final thrid to create the opening for Dembelle or Griffiths.

12 Jul 2016 21:03:01
Thanks a lot Celtic, I just pissed myself but it was worth it lol.

12 Jul 2016 21:22:47
Stuz who yous got in Europe oh that's right hibs pumped u haha.

12 Jul 2016 20:43:09
Getting beat off a team of plumbers/ joiners/ gardeners is utterly unacceptable. BR can get to!

12 Jul 2016 20:54:45
Calm right down DN30, there's a second leg. We got beaten 5-0 off Artmedia and then beat them 4-0 the next week.

12 Jul 2016 20:16:13
Christ how many. coaches are going to allow Ambrose to pull on a Celtic jersey!

12 Jul 2016 19:46:54
What a truly awful first half that was. I'm not a fan of Griffiths on the left so far, he seems frustrated.

12 Jul 2016 19:52:12
Let's give it a bit of time, consider pitch new system etc. Keep the faith!

12 Jul 2016 20:02:40
Obviously it's early days and the pitch isn't ideal etc. but they've looked very poor even with that in mind. I still think we'll win.

12 Jul 2016 20:10:00
it was very one paced

what i didn't like

efe

brown dropping deep (and then deeper) with Biton dropping deep (albeit 10 yards ahead of brown)

middle 3 absolutely no drive or conviction

look very narrow

griffiths not working on right
christie not working on left

dembelle really isolated

janko hasn't kicked a ball

tierney (as usual) running and running and running

i think the problem is the turgid middle …lack of worth also telling. christie and griffiths are not wingers which mean we are very narrow against a team that has 11 behind the ball and the middle totally jam packed …

if the middle is packed you need width …and we don't have any

if you were watching and IF we were being honest you wouldn't even have had a hint of new dawn, new horizon, new system, new appetite, new hunger ….

i will keep the faith but that 1st half was absolutely rotten.

12 Jul 2016 21:35:26
I'm sorry I watched Celtic training on that pitch so they knew what it was like so they cannot use that as an excuse. let's be realistic they where just rotten it looked like they just thought this is a pub team let's just turn up and stroll this what a mistake let's hope they wake up soon.

12 Jul 2016 18:59:01
Pmsl Effe named twice in the starting 11.

12 Jul 2016 18:14:53
Is the game on bt sports because I have checked and it is not advertised.

{Ed007's Note - BTSports 2.}

12 Jul 2016 18:41:07
Bt sports 2 hd it's advertised on don't know if it's two separate programmes but bt sports 2 is got a different listing.

12 Jul 2016 19:41:49
Cheers ed.

{Ed007's Note - (yes)

12 Jul 2016 16:48:53
Who do you think will be the cb pair BR goes with tonight? Don't think he will throw ajer in so it will be efe and erik. Hopefully we bang a good few past them tonight. If it will be a stroll at home it will give us a chance to field a strong team for a decent lenght of time against wolfsburg to see how we are getting on.

12 Jul 2016 17:39:31
I'm going for 4-0.

12 Jul 2016 17:47:33
Efe plays.

12 Jul 2016 17:49:52
He will play that dud Ambrose, the man who's conned more managers than the tories have conned people. At least he hasn't conned the fans WE KNOW HE'S RANK ROTTEN.

12 Jul 2016 18:23:55
He hasn't conned anybody. Ronny brought in Denayer, Boyata, Erik and Jozo to try and solve the problem and BR is looking for at least one CB as we speak.

12 Jul 2016 18:41:58
My post was saying more about the limited abilities of the managers who picked him, i would play a youngster before i played him surely any decent manager could see he is rank? And a young player wouldn't have any pressure on him playing against tonights pub team opposition.

12 Jul 2016 13:50:21
Hope any bhoys and ghirls out on the rock have a great wee day out. Will be first ball I've seen kicked under BR (albeit on the telly) HH.

12 Jul 2016 15:16:05
Our boys on the rock deserve great credit . Our fans are amazing where ever Celtic play they attend and and sing everywhere.

12 Jul 2016 10:33:48
Celtic -2 tonight
5/ 4 paddy power
Fill your boots.

12 Jul 2016 12:16:21
Griffiths is 3/ 1 to score 2 and Dembele is evens to score in 90 minutes and the -2 odds look good also.