Celtic Banter Archive April 06 2016

 

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06 Apr 2016 22:36:10
---Commons-----Rogic-----Roberts---

This simply HAS to be the three players used behind the striker the rest of the season. These three players WILL push us over the line in the league and the cup imo if played together.

I agree, Commons has been very poor lately and a lot of the season but we know what he's capable of and he's a much better option and goal threat than the likes of GMS, Armstrong, Johansen and this just isn't the time and place now for your Christie's and Allan's, we need players who have been over the course and that means Commons. He would be right up for the Sevco game and has proved in the past he turns up in these games and I just couldn't trust guys like GMS or Armstrong as imo they would crumble in such an atmosphere.

Maybe harsh on McGregor as he was playing well recently but I still feel Commons is the man we need to turn to now. I know a lot will disagree but think about the alternatives for the left wing role? Who would you trust the most from a selection of Commons/ GMS/ Armstrong/ Forrest/ McGregor/ CKR/ Christie/ Allan/ Izzy in the title and cup run in?

Imo Commons--Rogic--Roberts will get us this double we need to end what will be the worst season I've had following Celtic football wise. I'm 23 years old btw.

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06 Apr 2016 23:44:36
Your age explains a lot.

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{Ed007's Note - He was 12 on Helicopter Sunday - I was 31 and in tears - but seeing us win the league, 5 in a row, and hopefully the Double is the worst season he's had following CFC. There's nothing else I can say about that, it's beyond even ridicule.}

07 Apr 2016 00:45:33
Celticforever doesn't matter what age you are. You have made your suggestion and for me it makes sense. Would likes of poeticpatient be saying that if manager was 23 yet won every cup in first season?

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07 Apr 2016 01:15:30
At 23.you should be out playing for the bhoys . I have my doubts about Commons, as he used to not contribute much but scored plenty of goals, which isn't a bad fault .
Now the goals have dried up I am not sure . I would pick Rogic and Roberts every day and maybe switch Roberts from side to side . GMS and mc Gregor are playing well as is Johanson, so I would leave the 3rd man for R D to select based on what he sees and hears at training etc.

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07 Apr 2016 01:17:22
Notice Ed I said 'football wise' as in the football I'm watching on a weekly basis on the park from supposed professional football players.

I keep seeing negative sideways and backward passing from most and in general turgid boring bland football and what's worst is results aren't even coming out of these which at least Strachan had going for him in his dull style of play, but this is 10x worse. I also see passes going astray far too often and not finding another team mate in a green and white hooped shirt regularly enough which just isn't acceptable when we're supposed to be the best team in the country but we're currently not showing this on the park as we don't look head and shoulders above most of our domestic opponents when we should. Let's be brutally the standard we come up against in Scotland domestically in the main is utter dross.

For us to be stuttering our way in what should be a one horse race in such a manner is also unacceptable. We should be at least 10-15 points clear of Aberdeen right now I don't think that's unreasonable to expect considering they've dropped a total of 28 points so far this season, for us to have dropped 23 points at this point in the season is simply absurd and with four 0-0 draws included.

I've spoken with many a Celtic fan in their 50s, 60s and 70s and lot's have agreed that this is by far the worst standard of football they've witnessed from Celtic on the park. Even worse than Macari, Venglos, Mowbray, Barnes sides so they can't all be talking $h1t and they're older than you and witnessed Celtic over the last 40-60 years on the park.

Pumped out the CL Qualifiers to Malmo, not a win in the EL, pumped out the LC by Ross County and now struggling and stuttering over the line in a 1 horse race added to this we've lost for the first time in over a quarter of a century (25 years) to Aberdeen twice in the league in the same season. That's a pretty poor seasons by anyone's standards. Sure we've had more gutting and more depressing ends to seasons. But that was against much tougher opposition. The way we've been playing this season is laughing stock material I don't think that's unfair to say.

You say 5 in a row and a hopeful double but there's no way ANYONE can be confident of either of those. Not with the way we're playing currently and the way Ronny can't motivate the side properly and get the best out of them. Anyway, as I said, if he goes with the three I've said behind the striker the rest of the season I think we'll win the league and cup, any other combination though and I'm a bit fearful as they're the three players I trust most.

Basically I'm just feeling so many emotions just now in regards to Celtic from anger to sadness to bewilderment to confusion it's just been a terrible season so far for me frankly and I can't wait to see the back of it and Ronny.

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{Ed007's Note - So this is worse than Mowbray's tenure? The guys that are telling you this is worse than under Macari or Barnes are arseholes, tell them to stay off the Frosty Jack and Benylin cocktails.}

07 Apr 2016 01:23:29
DN30, Ed already underlined the point I was making so I'm not going to go into that. If you want to ask me a question -- even if it is total non sequitur/ gibberish -- then go ahead.

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07 Apr 2016 01:43:10
Do you not think Macari, Barnes or Mowbray would have also won the league as it currently stands in a one horse race?

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{Ed007's Note - Macari and Barnes would have struggled, I wouldn't be confident in either of them. Mowbray would have probably had enough about him to win the league now. I'm delighted to see CFC win one horse races, it's hardly their fault nobody can keep up. Do you not enjoy seeing CFC win trophies?}

07 Apr 2016 02:06:47
When I say worse than Mowbrays/ Barnes/ Macaris/ Venglos I'm talking about the standard of football on the park and this is most definitely the worst I've seen imo and a lot of others agree who are a lot older than me. I'm not talking about seasons in general as a whole although in fairness they were under entirely different circumstances. But I don't think anyone would argue that this hasn't been a very poor season so far, I mean we scraped by an effing literal pub team in East Kilbride with two scrappy goals from set pieces one of which should never have counted. A pumping of Sevco would improve it but I have no confidence of that sadly.

You mention Mowbray but let's not forget he achieved a great result against Dynamo Moscow in CL Qualifiers away from home in a 2-0 win that season, a result Deila could only dream of against such standard of opposition in Europe. There was no shame getting put out CL that season by Arsenal. Ronny has never achieved an away win in Europe against any sort of meaningful decent side unless you want to include the Icelandic fisherman.

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{Ed007's Note - You're just going over the same old repetitive stuff now. I just can't understand why at 23 this the worst season you've known as a CFC fan when it was only 5 years ago we didn't even qualify for any European football and I don't remember anybody calling for the manager's head then - we didn't even win the league! Don't you remember that season?}

07 Apr 2016 02:12:38
Of course I enjoy seeing Celtic winning trophies, no greater feeling in the world and your spot on doesn't matter that it's a one horse race it's just as good as any other not our fault this is the way the league has been these last few years. I still don't think it's unreasonable though to have expected the title to have been practically wrapped up by now considering the amount of points Aberdeen have dropped all season.

I just think we should be expecting better, much better. I'm not asking to be competing for the CL Trophy here I'm simply saying we should be a lot more convincing and light years ahead of the rest domestically which we clearly aren't currently and I don't think that's too much to ask for.

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07 Apr 2016 07:50:10
@patient just thought your reply was bollocks mate. Age doesn't matter.

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07 Apr 2016 07:55:55
Why do we have to play 3 behind the striker can we not play 2 up top? I think we do have a shortage of good striker options but I think kazim Richards is never a left winger or man in the hole he's a central striker who would be a different player ( in my opinion) playing alongside LG. he wins headers, has pace and power and would be a good option to play alongside the wee man. LG looks tired and has been up top all season himself surely Ronny can see that.

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07 Apr 2016 08:44:06
Oldbhoy, you missed out that after seeing and hearing what goes on in training RD, reads page 73 of the sports science manual, before making his team selection, next week he is reading page 74.

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07 Apr 2016 08:44:30
DN30-

It wasn't a dig. It was a realization and, as I said, it explained a lot (about his comment) which ED expanded upon.

For the record though, context and comparative experience does matter if/ when you are claiming that this is "the worst season [you've] had following Celtic football wise", otherwise it's a totally blank statement.

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07 Apr 2016 09:09:40
if the cup is lost and the league is lost, will it suddenly become a worse season or will the people who base their opinions on how good a manager Ronnie is, still say its not been that bad and will the people who base their opinions on the teams performances throughout the season say it has been the worst ever.

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07 Apr 2016 09:32:19
Aindoh -

Worse than what?

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07 Apr 2016 11:04:48
Doesn't matter what age you are; everyone on here cares passionately and loves the club enough to take time to express an opinion.
Of course, there will very rarely be total agreement, but this comment certainly seemed to generate a lot of comment.
I will be 60 very soon and have some unforgettable memories of managers, teams, players and games and there have been many 'cycles of success and failure' and although we have won several trophies since 2012 - there is still a certain amount of disappointment, because expectancy and standards continually passed down are so high.

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07 Apr 2016 02:50:47
Completely and utterly different circumstances to today Ed so not really comparable. Lenny left Ronny a side which sauntered it's way to the league title the season Lenny left and also had qualified two years on the bounce for the CL groups.

The season you mention we didn't have any European football Lenny came up against a side in Braga in the CL qualifiers who reached the Europa League final that same season so were obviously no mugs and also came up against a fairly decent Utrecht side in which we were unlucky not have beaten as we gave away two silly penalties and you're always up against it if you do that. Hardly the shame of losing to sides such as Legia, Maribor and Malmo in qualifiers over two legs.

Also that season we played some really decent football with the likes of Hooper, Forster, Izzy, Kayal, Matthews, Ledley brought in and we all looked forward to upcoming seasons.

Football wise on the park not a chance that was a worst season for me, a gut wrenching end it was right enough.

If we had been up against that same oldco side this season under Ronny the season would be well over by now and we'd be miles behind. Luckily it's a slightly less pish Aberdeen side we'e up against this season but Ronny is making a one horse race look a lot harder than it should that's for sure.

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{Ed007's Note - 'Lenny' left a team that had embarrassed the Club in the CL including a 6-1 drubbing off Barcelona and put out the cup by Mortin - by far two of the most embarrassing result in recent memory.
RD took that team who had lost an English international GK and replaced it with a GK who had hardly played in 3 years, won a double and qualified for the later stages of Europe.
Or are they not comparable either?
Didn't 'Lenny' win a one horse race with a meagre 79 points in 2012-13, drawing 7 games and LOSING 7 as well, that's 35 dropped points in a one horse race? RD's only 7 points off beating that total and with 6 games to go I'm totally confident that he will. Or can't we compare them either?}

07 Apr 2016 12:09:03
Comparing Team A to Team B is never going to end in an agreement. You just go round in circles, with tit-for-tat arguments. The question shouldn't be whether this team is worse or better than previous teams, it should be whether they are good enough and IMO some of them are but many of them are not and it's showing in the dreadful performances we see most weeks.

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{Ed007's Note - The initial question was how can this be the worst season a 23 year old fan has ever seen? A cynical reader might suggest that was a hyperbolic statement, personally I'd just call it as BS though.}

07 Apr 2016 13:22:23
6-1 defeat by Barcelona, more embarrassing than the defeats by Molde, mmmm let me have a think about that.

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{Ed007's Note - Best not, it's not really your strong point is it?}

07 Apr 2016 13:50:53
LOL, Ed.

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{Ed007's Note - :=o

07 Apr 2016 13:58:24
ED, I enjoy reading your opinions but quality wise I'm struggling to think of a poorer season. It's hard to think of a match that I have come away from where I've really thought we've played well.
It should be easy for us to win the league with no sevco and a huge financial advantage but we are struggling to do that.
If winning the league is the only thing you judge them on then fair enough, but I think with the huge advantages we have over everyone else winning the league should be a formality. The very fact that we're struggling to win a league against such poor opposition tells you all you need to know about this team.

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{Ed007's Note - To suggest that a season where we win the league, and hopefully a Double, is anywhere near the worst is preposterous verging on sheer stupidity.}

07 Apr 2016 14:54:03
Ed's right, you can't say a (potential) double winning season is worse than a season where we win nothing but it could well be the worst in terms of enjoying the football. For me the main thing is trophies but I think another manager could easily come in and win the same but with much better football. That's why I would like to see Ronny go in the summer because I don't think under him we'll take the next step to being competitive in Europe while still dominating domestically. The only games I've enjoyed this season are the Hamilton 8-1, Aberdeen 3-0 and Hearts at the weekend. Europe was a disgrace.

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07 Apr 2016 16:13:01
ED, I did say one of the poorest seasons in terms of quality.
I think what the stupidity would be is to ignore the drop in quality that we have seen in the last few seasons, if things just drift along as they are then at this rate there is a fair chance that we won't win the league next season. I hope action is taken to ensure that this doesn't happen.
Winning the double would be great, but it shouldn't mask the decline we are seeing.

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{Ed007's Note - So this season is worse than Tony Mowbray's efforts?}

07 Apr 2016 17:19:36
ED, from 4 years ago the standard of football has got worse every year, I think that something needs to be done to reverse this trend.
The season under Mowbray was bad but at the end of it the club did act, and things gradually improved. I don't want another shambles of a season like the one under Mowbray, but unless we do something about it then that's where we're heading, the quality of football is just about as bad.

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{Ed007's Note - You're avoiding answering the questions. Is this the worst season in the last 23 years? The Mowbray season is just an example, is it worse than any season we didn't win the league or any trophies?}

07 Apr 2016 18:01:10
It's clearly pointless comparing different managers years apart as all circumstances are different. But can anyone say we are anywhere near as good as last season? And in all our lifetimes have you ever heard a team booed off the park as often as this current team has home and away?

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07 Apr 2016 18:06:27
Aindoh do u think RD is as slow a reader as yourself, he was at page 74 three weeks . maybe Aindoh, you are a bit slow at reading yourself .
Jesus people need to get hold of themselves, having spent all season harping on about not winning league this season, we are now expected to fret about next season .
That's nearly as bad as yesterday when someone posted that we would need to win 5 / 6 to ensure we won with style .
I have remembered and enjoyed the league won on goal difference as well as 15 points . Jock Stein MO'N WGS all won Leagues with very little to spare but they were never challenged that a small winning margin wasn't enough.

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07 Apr 2016 18:29:27
You were a bit slow with that reply Oldbhoy, you slowing up?

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07 Apr 2016 19:19:58
ED, I'm not avoiding the question at all, I think given the fact that we don't have sevco, the standard of the league is poor, and we have a massive financial advantage, then the quality of football is about as bad as anything in the last 23 years. The teams for the vast majority of that time didn't have the advantages that this team has.
The team that Tommy Burns managed in 1996 finished behind Rangers losing only one match, according to the way you look at it this team is better, I just don't agree.

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{Ed007's Note - Celticforever said this was the worst season he can remember in his 23 years, I said it couldn't possibly be and pointed out seasons where we won nothing as an example. God knows what you're wittering on about now but it's got nothing to do with the conversation.}

07 Apr 2016 20:07:15
What I've said ED is that quality wise I think this is about the worst season in 23 years, you don't have to agree with me, but I thought I was answering Celtic forever's point.

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{Ed007's Note - You could have saved us all a lot a of time and just said you were going down the hyperbole route as well. There is no evidence or proof of that expect your opinion. History, stats and facts easily disprove it.}

07 Apr 2016 21:07:51
Like gerryc is saying I'm talking about the style of football, it is in the main woeful as I have described. I'm not talking about the potential to win two trophies this season.

I'm talking about the standard of football that we are having to endure on a week to week basis like a chore I thought I had made that clear. Style of football wise this is certainly worse than Mowbrays and that was bad but this certainly shades it as worse.

There is no cohesion, no movement, no creative spark, poor first touches, poor passing, poor positioning, lack of tempo, lack of effort, lack of hunger, lack of desire, lack of spirit, lack of passion just in general summed up as absolutely shocking to watch and I feel for the fans that pay decent money to watch this.

It's bad enough on TV but I will always watch and support Celtic because it's my club and my duty but if things aren't going well and I'm not happy with it I will say it and that does not make me any less of a fan I just want what's best for us.

As bad a season as that was the standard of football was still better than it is today. Players like Maloney and McGeady to watch instead of GMS and Armstrong, Robbie Keane up front instead of Griffiths no disrespect to the wee man.

All I'm saying is I've never seen the standard of football as bad as it is today at Celtic in all my life watching us and plenty other Celtic fans have agreed with that who are a lot older than me as I've stated. We have players week to week who continue to cross the ball into the stands bar wee Roberts lately and give away possession constantly. Simply not good enough for a club like us up against the domestic dross we're playing. I don't think what I've argued is unfair in the slightest.

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{Ed007's Note - That's totally different from saying it's the worst season you remember. When was the last time we had all that and you were happy? The football under MON was basically long ball + Larsson, WGS wasn't exactly playing tiki-taka and Neil Lennon played a defensive 4-5-1 most of the time (nobody remembers NL played with the dreaded 1 up front, convenient that eh?), it certainly wasn't any worse than what we're watching and the results show that - although the trophy count is higher.
As an example, people wanted RD sacked for only beating Partick Thistle 1-0 but celebrated the same result two years previous when NL was manager and we scored in the 90th minute while Partick had chances cleared off our line etc. Look at the reaction from some to the Kilmarnock game - so it's embarrassing needing a last minute winner under Deila but it was showing heart, desire etc under Lennon & MON, is that fickleness or double standards? Is that what being Celtic-minded buys you or the even more mythical playing the Celtic Way that died in the 70s?
For somebody that's only 23 I'm struggling to think when you would have seen football at Celtic Park that ticks all of YOUR boxes. The only manager I've seen play the way you want was TB and you're not old enough to remember that.
If this is the worst season you've seen as a CFC supporter you're in for one hell of long hard life - you'll be bald before you're 30.}

07 Apr 2016 21:27:44
ED, this site is supposed to be about opinions, I thought that was the whole point of it.
If in my opinion the standard of football being served up is rotten, quoting stats is hardly going to make it good.
History and stats can say what they like, but do they tell you why thousands have turned their back on the club? . It's my opinion that these missing fans stopped going because of the standard of football being served up, I'd be very surprised if they are staying away because the excitement is too much for them.

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{Ed007's Note - Take the pants off your head and pencils out your nose - you're wibbling now.}

07 Apr 2016 21:54:35
The fans staying away has little to do with the style of football. If it did, then why is the Rangers game a sell out?

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06 Apr 2016 21:51:41
Hey guys heard a lot of people calling for Fasan to be giving a game, Can I ask why (and I'm being serious here) as I haven't seen anything he's done to merit being giving a game nevermind being first choice, like I said never seen him play so don't know if he is good or not but he's never played for the first team so i'm a little confused as to why some people think he should play.

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06 Apr 2016 22:46:06
Because Ronny isn't playing him. If he was, they'd be contrary and use that as a reason to complain about him.

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06 Apr 2016 22:46:27
It's beyond me why Fasan should be considered for a start. He has no experience goalkeeping for a first team.

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06 Apr 2016 22:52:29
Not the time of season to be changing your goalkeeper, especially the way things are poised, we need an experienced keeper for these last few games.

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06 Apr 2016 23:28:41
Think the goalkeeper is the least of our problems. Biton Brown and Johansen have gone stale, not an ounce of creativity between the 3 of them. More worrying is Efe getting a shout for the run in alongside Boyota. Can't understand why we don't play Lustig at centre half, played him there a few times a couple of seasons back and thought he done well. i'm an ABBA fan Anyone But Boyota & Ambrose. Mama Mia don't fancy Taking a chance on them or we could be sending out an SOS

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07 Apr 2016 12:20:54
I have seen him play, The lad is fantastic! In the EDL league / development games he was the stand out when being gubbed!

Last season I witnessed him save a penalty whilst initially diving in the opposite direction only for him to re-position himself dive the other way and still save it!

I suppose I have championed the lad, even in NL tenure for the record I am a CG fan, an ex GK myself and believe that Fasan is the best natural young keeper I have clapped my eyes on he is the most agile, best shot stopper and fabulous penalty saver!

His one weakness in his game is his game is his kicking if he improves that he will be in the Italian set up within 5 Years IMO, IMO he is the best GK @ CP.

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07 Apr 2016 15:16:14
I sincerely doubt that. Italy are notoriously loyal (in terms of players as they get older) and that's doubly so for goalkeepers. Currently they have a core group of goalkeepers that have years ahead of them and any youngster breaking into that group will (almost certainly) be Gianluigi Donnarumma.

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07 Apr 2016 16:12:02
I don't TPP Buffon is 38, Sirigu? 32 and been overturned @ PSG

I Have a good friend who is D O Youth @ a football club and know for a fact how well Fasan regarded in England after performances!

I never said Italy No.1 I said involved in the first three.

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07 Apr 2016 16:33:26
I know what you said. I wasn't talking about him becoming no. 1, I don't think he'll be involved in the first three either.

Even discounting Buffon, Sirigu, Marchetti and Perin are all in there. Sirigu will leave PSG if he can't get his spot back from Trapp - but even if not, he'll still be there and there abouts in terms of Italy. As I said, in the event of a youngster breaking that up, it'll be Donnarumma.

You know for a fact how well a DOY rates him in England? Fingers crossed that's who's picking the Italy team then.

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07 Apr 2016 16:53:18
No I said I know a DOY who knows how well regarded Fasan is

So your suggesting a 17 yr old will be propelled ahead of a 23 yr old with more experience?

Have you ever seen Fasan play?

In the arguments propelled above of how poor we have been above you would not want a Celtic keeper involved @ that high level?

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07 Apr 2016 20:01:41
The fact he's 23 and not even a number two yet should give you a clue as to where he is. I've seen him play a handful of games - enough to see he is a capable goalkeeper. I'm taking nothing away from him, but you'd you'd think we were talking about Courtois or De Gea (both of whom where playing for their first teams at 18) . Like I say, he's 23 and not even a number two. Courtois is only 23 now!

And the 17 year old in question has played over 20 competitive games for AC Milan - which is roughly 20 times more than Fasan, so I don't know where this "more experience" chat is coming from.

I would LOVE Fasan to be a world class talent, no.1 (2, 3) for Italy - but wanting something to be, doesn't make it the reality.

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07 Apr 2016 21:32:41
I never compared him to De Gea or Courtois

Your lad you highlight made the team against the back drop of a Lopez injury and a Milan team in descent but would now accept he would not be ousted

I have a high opinion of Fasan and stick by what I say that he would feature in 5 years.

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07 Apr 2016 22:28:39
Jamiebhoy 7 Five years is along time away . He may not play first team football for 2/ 3 years and still be in and around the Italien squad in 5 years .

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06 Apr 2016 21:48:08
So the police are now investigating EUFA. The suggestion of corruption just continues to spread. Let's hope they start to filter to the National organisations and we will see the uneven playing fields which have prevented decent clubs progressing. What do you reckon Ed?

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{Ed007's Note - I wouldn't hold my breath.}

06 Apr 2016 22:45:21
Aye, probably right. lol.

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06 Apr 2016 22:49:41
The Uefa officials and the individual national Commitees are all on the fiddle and on the make, they don't want to cause any bad feelings by looking into alleged wrong doings.

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06 Apr 2016 21:16:41
Ed
As hiddink is now available would you take him at the end of the season?

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{Ed007's Note - Hiddink isn't looking for a full-time position so he'll probably end up managing an international team or behind the scenes somewhere. I'd love to see someone like him brought in as a DOF though.}

06 Apr 2016 21:52:25
Could we afford him lol.

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06 Apr 2016 21:57:35
Hiddink would not come to Celtic as long as DD is there, there is bad blood because DD . appointed M. ON. instead of him.

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06 Apr 2016 22:52:32
His sink has nothing to offer us, mont as DO F, a position he has never held, as far as I know, or as a manager/ coach his career has been going down hill for years.

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06 Apr 2016 19:16:42
CL games tonight I fancy 2 upsets so I am going for a Wolfsburg 4/ 1 and Man City 9/ 2 (singles and double)
BTTS in both games seems a great bet also.
Anytime goal scorers have to be Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic and Aguero.

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06 Apr 2016 19:06:30
At this time of year and it was predicted by all of us on here that we should be well clear in the league and comfortable.
The point being it would a been a great opportunity to play our youngsters and find out how good they are.
Players like fasan, Hill, Christie, miller, Henderson should be playing by now and getting 90 mins and a wee run of games.
Ronny has a reputation of bringing youngsters thro, shame he cudnt have had it sown up and he could a followed up on his words.
Then again he not followed up on most things he says.

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06 Apr 2016 21:04:55
I think Fasan will be number 1 next season. Think Craig Gordon was brought in to bridge gap between Forster leaving and Fasan being ready.

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06 Apr 2016 21:32:29
rayman if fans would allow young players the chance to make mistakes and learn from them then we would see more of the players you mentioned but when Ronny has to deal with his job being on the line or his head being called for he can ill afford to have young players making mistakes after all it's him who will lose his job. At this time of year with the league being as close as it is he needs his experienced players to show up and perform which hasn't been happening not through lack of effort imo but rather lack of ability certainly in the cases of brown and Gordon to name a few.

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06 Apr 2016 22:41:41
Ronnie delicious I have said the same previously. As fans we give our 'own' youth a lot of chances but if we buy youth from elsewhere we expect them to be the finished article right away. Examples? GMS, Armstrong, christie, Allan (overrated IMO) , boyata - although think he cost a few pennies. We can be a fickle bunch at times.

I would like to see our 'own' youth given more chance. Again as I have said previously, Tierney only got his chance because izzy and mulgrew were out and he is potentially POY. I might be wrong but I don't remember him being highlighted as a potential star from the development team? It was always Nesbit, miller, fasan. Maybe there are another few Tierney who could improve the team that we don't know of yet?

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06 Apr 2016 22:56:36
If we had the league all wrapped up with 4/ 5 games left I don't think our youngsters would prove anything in the meaningless games at the end of season . Playing Henderson may cause a problem as he is registered to Hibs . I would hope we wouldn't play unregistered players.

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07 Apr 2016 09:02:41
Regardless wether they proved anything or not Old Bhoy it would be a run out for these guys which is the next step in thier devlopment.

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07 Apr 2016 19:32:32
Oldbhoy that's the whole point that they are the so called meaningless games so there isn't the usuall pressure on them so we can find out if they can step up.
Instead of your in for a game because of injuries your playing 2-3 on the bounce.
Oh and I know Henderson is at HIbs but he shudnt be.
Tho we should just play him anyway as the SFA are corrupt anyway so it shudnt bother them too much lol. Also gives the refs more opportunities to book him.

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07 Apr 2016 22:38:00
I have seen over the years many young players getting a run out at end of seasons, yet they never seem to be able to make the step -up . The best chance a young lad has is when an injury occurs and there is no experience back - up and a youngster gets thrown in at the deep end . Well it worked for K Tierney and Celtic.

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06 Apr 2016 17:04:01
RD has tried his best but it clearly isn't good enough, we have too big a squad filled with much of the same type, time for a major clear out.

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06 Apr 2016 18:04:07
For me everything is just hard work. We're either starting well then falling away or it's the other way around. Even beating Hearts, they've just been promoted, their budget is around the same as a couple of our players, we beat them at home, big deal. I'm sure it seemed better in certain fans eyes because there is always an edge against them, for me though it's been one long season from hell. I watched us in the dark days, we had an excuse then, the other mob were signing top top players, and we were on our knees. They're not even in the league now. This is definitely the worst group of strikers the club has had in my time going to games, even in the 80's we had more than this. That said though, I still don't think Ronny is getting the best out the players. The midfield the other night was Brown/ Biton/ Johansen - all of them captains of their country, not one's even had a passable season. Lustig has hardly had a good game since Deila walked in the door. We've got Sviatchenko who's the player of season in Denmark, Boyata who's getting a game for arguably the best team in Europe, yet they look poor to average with us. Supposedly we had 30 players at various age groups away on international duty last week. For me we are underperforming, big time.

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06 Apr 2016 21:46:25
I agree with most of what you said Delphic but one thing most Celtic supporters seem to forget or don't understand is that football is not won by budgets (it helps a lot) or statistics, look at Leicester for instance they are the English equivalent of Inverness Dundee etc so does that mean that the supposed top managers in England deserve to be sacked? No of course not, however if Inverness were to win the league Ronny would undoubtedly be sacked. So my point is this you can identify any player in the world as being a good signing however we have seen with much better players than Celtic have things may not work out so if you identify a player at the top of his league worth 20mil he may flop however if you buy cheap you may find a diamond. Ronny has a bigger budget but if the players we need to make ourselves better are currently overlooked by Lawell due to his very shallow pockets we need a good scout, is park a good scout? In my eyes no. So then what good is the big budget when Lawell will only spend 3mil max on john parks dodgy finds? .

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06 Apr 2016 23:03:48
It seems some people were delighted with us dropping 2 points last night, it put fresh rage in their pens and got the anti R D back up and running . Despite how bad some of you have been and despite your lack of support and lack of confidence building, we are on the cusp of winning 5 in a row . This hasn't happened in many of your lifetimes, once in mind and other old fellows, so get away from your bitching and negative muck spreading and give credit where credit is due .

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07 Apr 2016 01:26:21
Most of the top Managers in England are sacked regularly Wenger is an obvious exception, Hughes is becoming a long lasting manager at Stoke and that isn't too long . Some clubs go through 2/ 3 managers in a season and still fail .
Delphic we had 33 players away on International duty . 18 from our first team squad and the remainder with various youth and under age Int .
Surely no greater testament could any manager receive as indication of doing a great job, top of league by five points and 18 players playing at a standard good enough that their International managers want them for fixtures.

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06 Apr 2016 14:26:01
Good posts re last nights game. Everyone has something solid in their accounts but it seems we are not over reacting. yet. Dundee away was always going to be tough. At Celtic Park they showed they had a system that troubled us, i suspect they caught us on the hop last night by playing much the same way.

Our main problem right now is LG. This is not criticism but he is going through one of those spells every striker has, he needs one to bang in off his ass just get it over the line. He will be back i have no doubt.

I posted that Broony had me worried, nothing last night changed my mind. He looks like the old gunslinger in a western being sized up by younger outlaws. For weeks i have watched him being robbed in the middle and causing us problems with three or four breaking on us. has he got it in him to come back? Over thirty and a few injuries? My heart says yes.

Overall i thought we deserved the win, though Dundee would claim they should have scored and it would be hard to argue. Already painted in the media as a point dropped it might turn out to be a vital point gained in the run in. I have always thought v the sheepies at home was the big one. Nothing has really changed.

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06 Apr 2016 16:25:49
GJ I actually think our goalie secured a point for us last night with a string of half decent saves compared to the Dundee goalie who I can't really rember having to do much . I agree with you about Griffiths who hopefully is just temporary off the boil because there's nobody there to fill his boots . Whoever sanctioned the signings of Cole, Kazim Richards and Ciftci needs to have a word with themselves another thing that puzzles me is the sudden dissapearance over the last few months of Izzy who if not playing should be on bench or even play with KT alternating on left side . Still 5 points ahead so Friday and Saturday should be really interesting.

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06 Apr 2016 17:09:26
Imo the big problem we have is playing three defensive mids while playing two wingers to feed a small striker . e need a playmaker desperately and an alternative to griffiths (who was awful last night) as we can't just depend on him for a whole season . finally well done the youngsters some of who deserve a outing in first team . Hendry. Hill Higgins aitchyson . mcilduff miller mcart kellehar who have all looked good anytime I've seen them and younger ones plain their part and looking good as well.

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06 Apr 2016 17:24:30
The main problem is Leigh Griffiths! Don't make me laugh how about the fact that if LG doesn't score there's nobody else who can step up and chip in with a few! Never midfielders who don't score. We don't even have another striker who can chip in with goals! So I would suggest that is more of the problem than LG! On another note is the manager having a laugh trying to put a positive spin on things suggesting a clean sheet against Dundee was positive! I don't care what their league position suggests Dundee fc are along with Hamilton and Utd one of the 3 poorest teams in the league and we have played them twice in the last few weeks and failed to score a single goal against them! Ronnie also suggested we are in control of our own destiny and won't give up our title without a fight what kind of talk is that! Of course we should be in control of our own destiny with 6 games to go. In fact with our resources we should almost be over the line but the fact is we now have to go to fir park and get three points and I for one am not confident will do it although I pray we do! I think ronnies expectations and the fans are miles apart and I hope to god we can fall over the line and win this title then clear out the inept management team along with some of the mediocre players.

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06 Apr 2016 17:52:10
Did you read post right before replying. . I said the problem was three Def mids and two wigs trying to feed griffiths a small striker . I then said we can't depend on just him . no criticism apart from he was rubbish last night.

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06 Apr 2016 18:09:39
My reply was to Green Jhedi DRB. I hadn't read your post mate at the time I wrote my reply.

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06 Apr 2016 18:28:49
Well you jumped in early mate. Did i say LG was the answer to to ALL our ails? Surely its obvious if he is the only striker and he, at the moment, can't hit a cows ass with a banjo, then that's a problem? His touch is also poor just now resulting in no hold up from him.

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06 Apr 2016 18:31:48
No probs iceman.

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06 Apr 2016 19:06:12
Green Jhedi I understand what you're saying mate but you state LG's loss of form is the main problem and I disagree with that! I agree he's went off the boil the past few games but the point I'm making is a players form can dip and that is where others have to step in and take responsibility of scoring. We don't have that anywhere! Strikers or midfielders so for me that is the problem not the fact that LG has gone off the boil! We can't expect him to score all our goals.

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06 Apr 2016 23:11:02
Aye things are desperate L G has gone 3 yes ( three) whole matches without scoring Like Brown the man is too old, old age and having 3/ 4 children has blunted his movement and control of his balls . Bad management by R D to allow his captain and main striker to go off the boil at the same time .
Maybe we should go back to having strikers that don't put their balls in the sack😄😀.

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06 Apr 2016 12:14:34
You'd be lucky if 3 people praised our performance last week. But everyone comes out the woodwork when we don't play well or don't win. Was it a bad performance yes but seems there's a lot of you that prefer to criticise than praise.

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06 Apr 2016 13:15:48
My comments on here have been very consistent, giving the team credit where it's due - like I did after the Hertz game - and showing concern or disappointment on other occasions.
Unfortunately, over the whole of this season, there has not been as many good/ great performances, to applaud or celebrate as I'd like - given position, resources and facilities at our disposal.
Over the whole season, the fact is, our form, play and results have often attracted more concerns than plaudits in all honesty.
We all support the team and share every emotion, day in day out, but there cannot be any hiding from the fact that we are so inconsistent; whether it be seasoned Internationals under-performing or line-ups, formations and substitutions not working.
We are well known for gathering momentum after the New Year and finishing seasons in style with confidence, but there seems to be a hesitancy and inconsistency this season and I don't know if it's a lack of confidence, fitness or ability, but it's unlike us.

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06 Apr 2016 13:29:01
Toprig, fans are bound to be critical about the way the team is playing, we are 6 games from the end of the season and if we don't improve we could end up losing the league, with no sevco and our huge financial advantages that to me would be one of the biggest humiliations in our history.
I don't think it matters how many people criticise or praise them, the important thing for me is that the team start performing on the pitch and don't make us feel totally embarrassed come the end of the season.

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06 Apr 2016 13:30:36
Toprig, I for one take no pleasure whatsoever in criticising our team management etc but the results and just as importantly the performances this whole season aren't anywhere near good enough that's a fact. This improvement we keep hearing about from Ronny regarding the team, I'm sorry but I don't see it . Yes we may be 5 points clear and yes we may well still win the double but I'm sorry that doesn't cover up the performances and results. The fact is that if Aberdeen were consistent and we continue to put in bang average performances then the league table may very well look a lot different than it currently does. With the finances we have over the rest of the spfl, wages we pay, transfer fees etc compared to Aberdeen and the likes we should be winning this league at a canter not struggling over the line mate.

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06 Apr 2016 16:59:58
To be honest guys i have been a critic of RD for months and can't understand what his formation/ tactics are all about and his constant chop and change of starting line ups, he always comes across really well in interviews and sounds knowledgable but when you watch the team play it's as though we have one plan for a game and regardless how the games going he sticks with it. He talks about high tempo and attractive attacking football but his ideas and instructions aren't getting carried out for whatever reasons. I hope we finish the season strong and win the double but with Ronny in charge i'm nervous. I think we need a major clear out of players and someone with fresh ideas with a good proven track record but who knows what PL and the board think. maybe there delighted with ronnys work. 😫.

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06 Apr 2016 17:07:53
Toprig the bottom line is there has been more to criticise than praise this season and what has been said in the 3 posts below yours I couldn't agree more, with our resources we should be watching a far better and consistent team. Our attitude and performance on Saturday was what we should have been seeing in the vast majority of our games this season but we have under performed far too often

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06 Apr 2016 18:24:09
Toprig

It's guys like you who make me smash my head against a brick wall. We are Celtic and it is an expectation for us to be winning EVERY game against the other teams in our league. Will we do this? No but I expect us to do it and also had a bit of faith in previous seasons that we could win any game. Now I would be surprised if 50% of our fans have confidence that we will win on Saturday at Fir Park.

I watched the Hearts game and they were actually the better team for 75% of the game. They had 60+ percent possession against us. Yes we won be I wouldn't praise that as a good performance.

If you are happy with the way things are and how the team are performing then you need your head read.

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07 Apr 2016 01:30:50
Gaz A little bit negative, we are in a fine position 5 points clear, vastly superior goal difference and only 6 games left .

I am surprised R D and players have got themselves in such a good position with so many doing their desperate best to destroy the confidence of R D and players .

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06 Apr 2016 12:09:51
As most know on this site I am not Deila's biggest fan but I think some of the criticism of him and the team after last night's result was over the top. This was a good well organised Dundee team we were playing and as I said in a previous post, fatigue is no doubt playing a part, we had about a whole team away on international duty yet had to play Hearts early on Saturday, so less recovery time than say Aberdeen who played a day later. 2 games in 4 days with another away game on Saturday to come, is a tough schedule.
Looking on the plus side, we are 5 points ahead with our goal difference worth an extra point, all us Celtic fans must hold our nerve and support the team as best we can, then come end of season all us fans can then criticise Ronny and the team then.

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06 Apr 2016 12:18:13
Tim, I agree with your comment about Dundee and sometimes on here there is too much criticism of our own team and not enough credit to the opposition for getting it right. Regarding the number of games being played,

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06 Apr 2016 12:26:32
did not finish.
I'm sorry but these are professional footballers with nothing else to do but play for 90 plus minutes. I have worked offshore on the rigs and put in 12 hour shifts where it was non-stop graft and in all weathers. The management did not look at us and say, "that's 3 days on the trot you guys have been picking-up and laying-out pipe, need a wee break. "
I just do not buy in to this too many games track. The players at Celtic should be able to meet the 'demands of 180 minutes of work in 4 days that's 48 hours or 2880 minutes so they are being asked to give it their all for 4% of those 4 days. is that too much to expect? let's not forget there are 11 players not counting any player changes or substitutions.

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07 Apr 2016 01:35:29
Right Tiny Tim, I am not sure that the players will be too pleased when Mr Lawwell decides to send them to do a shift on the oil wells on days they don't have a match . This idea could be brilliant because we will only be able to sign the players who are completely Celtic daft ( especially daft ) and thus will work exceptionally hard for us on the pitch .

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06 Apr 2016 09:39:51
One thing to celabrate is Borriggeter has finally been released! Hiphiphooray : )

Apparently he cost the club £587,500 per start, or £9,180 per minute. What an absolute joke!

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06 Apr 2016 11:22:42
Did u see the article in the daily record makes depressing reading money wasted on bangers, blade, pukka etc over 10 million and 11 goals between them!

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06 Apr 2016 11:54:51
Shock, football club make some bad signings.

Please show me a club that does not.

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06 Apr 2016 12:01:32
Tompo Just to bring you back down from your celebrations, with our two centre halfs crocked Efe is creeping closer to getting a jersey for the run in!:- (

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06 Apr 2016 12:04:59
Neldo84 it sickens me. PL is quick enough to brag about profits for Wanyama, Van Dijk and Forster yet is very quiet about severe losses accumulated for these players. Since Mowbray reign if you add all the transfer fee recieved and paid, past 6 seasons that averages around £2.5m a season. is PL really doing a good job?

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06 Apr 2016 12:12:37
Was just saying the same thing Stevie! If erik is out and big mulgrew can't stay fit then dumb and dumber could quite possibly be in the heart of the defence for the run in! Just when you thinks can't get any worse! I just pray that eriks ok and Charlie stays fit!

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06 Apr 2016 09:20:30
Earlier this season Manchester City announced Pellegrini was leaving in the summer, since then their form has dipped badly.
I wonder if the same thing is happening here. Although nothing has been announced, it almost looks to me as if the players know that changes are going to be made and have switched off.
I may be totally wide of the mark, but we just don't look like a team that is going for the title, teams with nothing to play for seem to have far more hunger than us. I just hope that something clicks soon with the players or else this season could turn into an absolute nightmare.

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06 Apr 2016 09:56:41
I can understand where you're coming from, although I have not heard anything to confirm a change of regime at our club.
I posted last night about our two-steps-forward-one-back season [and that was pretty generous] and this season has certainly raised more questions than answers about formation, personnel, transfers, subs and players performances and even commitment.
There have been very few games where supporters have actually enjoyed the way we have played and have seen the majority of the squad at the top of their game and it would seem there have been problems within - which always causes disruption?
I have been very patient with RD and accept he has apparently had one hand tied behind his back regarding transfers and team selection, but there has to be some sort of change or re-think as what we are seeing [over the whole season] is far from convincing and very disappointing at times.
There will always be players at the club that fans have divided opinions on, but I don't think I have ever seen so many in one squad that have repeatedly struggled for any kind of form or actually appeared to go backwards.
Obviously there are immediate concerns at this time of the season when we seem to be stalling and struggling with two trophies to play for, but even when/ if we do manage to win the silverware, how many supporters can be confident and excited about next season?

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06 Apr 2016 10:24:48
Can't disagree with both of the above posts. For me we are struggling badly to get over the finishing line when the truth is we should be right up for this. My concern like most others is the fact that we've been like this the whole season. There's something clearly not right at the club right now, the players are not producing on a regular basis, the tactics the fitness levels the signing policy the whole setup isn't working and like u said above, what's to look forward to next season if we go into it with the same setup and no changes?

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06 Apr 2016 08:55:50
Any RD defenders out there today? Would be interested to hear your comments on last nights tactics, substitutions, team motivation.
No room for manuver now, we must win every game (not talking statistics here) just pride and motivation.

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06 Apr 2016 10:49:52
Thats funny wasnt so long ago you were singing his praises and crawling out the green brigade (pointless group of idiots) ar$es.

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06 Apr 2016 11:52:06
Not Guilty, my last post said I had been quiet about him, I have been one of his biggest critics since Day 1,that is very well documented on here. I would not have given him 6 mths.
The Green Brigade, I have always supported and defended and will continue to do so.
Check your facts DN30.

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06 Apr 2016 13:32:36
Malika20 you were one of Deila's biggest appraisers from start. Deila this, Deila that.

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06 Apr 2016 15:07:33
Your on Drugs my Friend, I will from now on take everything you post with a great deal of salt, or maybe you just mixed me up with someone else, you check and decide.

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06 Apr 2016 15:33:27
Malika20 relax was only winding you up mate.

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