Celtic Banter Archive October 20 2020

20 Oct 2020 21:20:57
You know, an older chapel pal said to me in the passing today ( socially distanced) " Saturday could have been far worse coz they could have been going for 10iar having done that to us, but they're not. its only us that can get the 10!"

Some people on here have said

We still have time
We still have a bigger better squad
We are perennial winners
We have a huge incentive to turn things around

Achieving our domestic goals is still in Celtic's control

That's a good thing, a positive

We go again .

Let's see how good an in-form 2020 Celtic can be

Brilliant basics and best efforts Neil and let's see if we can build from there.

20 Oct 2020 23:53:21
NL and the players responded after the last defeat to them and tore the league up for the remainder of the season. More of the same please.

21 Oct 2020 08:15:57
The big difference is not having fans and it's affected us more than sevco.

21 Oct 2020 08:16:57
Sevco blundered after Christmas imploded for what ever reason after gubbing us easy twice no contest does anyone think we will be as lucky again? I truly believe we have far better players but not playing as the team should be I don't want to risk 10iar hoping that they will implode again. Our performance throughout the start of this season has far from being satisfactory in Europe or domestic.

20 Oct 2020 20:41:34
Barkas

Welsh duffy ajer Taylor

Brown McGregor

Frimpong christie laxalt

Ajeti/ gtiff/ eddy.

21 Oct 2020 11:34:53
This would be my team on Thursday

Barkas

Ajer Welsh Duffy Taylor

Moi Turnbull Soro Calmac Laxalt

Griff or Ajeti

Younger more dynamic midfield 3, drop off and close space when don't have the ball and quick as a flash hit them on the break.
Much better balance to this side also.

20 Oct 2020 18:15:12
Lots of opinions on here (way before shambolic Saturday) about best number 10. Moi, Christie, rogic etc. For me absolutely no question we should be playing CalMac in 10 or ACM. He has been trying to hold this team together dictating play but his ability is best further upfield. He will get double figures if played ACM. This then put Turnbull in at no8- this boy could be the new Paul McStay and will dictate the pace of our play. The let Broonie be peter grant for a bit.

20 Oct 2020 18:28:28
Not a bad shout Kipper.

20 Oct 2020 18:37:05
Decent shout with McGregor at no.10 as you know he will work his arse off getting back when needed.

Time to get back to tried and tested 4-2-3-1. We have the players to make the system work. Overlapping full backs in Laxalt and Frimpong will help break down teams that sit 10 behind the ball.

I'd like to see the team line of for Thursday to be

Barkas

Laxalt
Duffy
Ajer
Frimpong

Turnbull
Brown

Elyounoussi
McGregor
Christie

Ajeti

McGregor dropping in to midfied when needed with Christie and Elyounoussi making it a front 3 on the counter.

20 Oct 2020 18:45:16
Absolutely no doubt he has an eye for goal and creates chances, but if you ask any supporter, they will give you at least another three players that are in the wrong position or shouldn't start at all and until the management team actually play them in their strongest and most productive position - even at the expense of hi favourites - we can be a much better and more entertaining side.

20 Oct 2020 19:05:19
i couldn't agree more about this post. mcgregor for me needs to be further forward. also i believe brown could sit himself.

barkas

aver
welsh
duffy
laxalt

brown

christie
eddy
turnbull
mcgregor

abet

4/ 1/ 4/ 1

great football ready to be played by this team.

20 Oct 2020 17:08:15

While we were absolutely abysmal in every area of the park and deserved nothing from the game the single decision to play the much maligned Taylor and a back four could have been enough to avoid defeat in a game where we were already missing key players.

A draw would have been no big deal under the C.V. circumstances. Defeat for the third consecutive time however must put the same doubt in the players mind as is does in mine.

Does NL have the man management abilities to turn the players around after a physiologically damaging loss? Unsure.

We have for me the better players in practically every position but that won’t guarantee the 10. For me they have the advantage in the dugout not to the same extent but similar to what was the case when the rodent was in ours.

20 Oct 2020 17:27:22
They have been the better team in the last 3 games but they have only won 2 consecutive games against us.
I agree and can’t believe he never played a back 4 with the players he had available on Saturday.
Lenny’s excuse was they hadn’t trained and planned for playing a flat back 4.
Every player has grew up playing 4 at the back since they first started kicking a ball as a youngster.
Why would you need to train playing a back 4.Poor excuse.
The last time Celtic deserved to beat them was last September when we played a 4-5-1 formation and they never had a decent chance in the whole game.
I just can’t believe the way Lenny set up a weakened team.
It was lambs to the slaughter.

20 Oct 2020 17:31:27
They clearly want to play for their manager and are in a very settled and consistent system - then there's us.
If we don't sort it out one way or another we will be very sorry.

20 Oct 2020 17:55:27
JFP1888 Taylor didn’t even need to be on the park. More worrying for me is Lennon not being tactical enough to see things and make a change. I get you’re point with Taylor but all we had to do was move Laxalt back to left back and shift the other 3 over so ajer became right back with Duffy and welsh in the middle! I would then have taken ntcham off and put griffiths or ajeti on much earlier when still only 1-0! Going to the 4-4-2 would have stopped the space down the wings for rangers and nullified the way they play and main threat! Making them possibly having to change how they attack might have given us more impotence and a foot hold of the game for spells! For me it’s simple changes like this I don’t understand Lennon can’t see and won’t make!

20 Oct 2020 18:05:10
At the end of the day Lennon should not be the manager I like Lenny as a man But I am starting to blame the board for letting things get to this point. We as a club should still be light years in front off Sevco we have by far the better squad and players but they have made us look like amateurs last 3 games How the board can't see this is really bewildering to me.

20 Oct 2020 18:06:40
Jicer81 I’m no tactical genius but starting with or reverting to a back four after 15 minutes was as obvious as it that Boris and his uncle Donald are nuts even to me.

20 Oct 2020 20:02:28
4-5-1 is the formation to play against them no question, it denies them space in the wide area's and we control the centre of the pitch. We play form players in their usual positions working for each other and I don't think we would have many problems, I think playing this position also gives you opportunity to attack with numbers when required. Solid when everyone keeps their shape and in a flash causing problems in attack.

Games are 99% of the time won by teams who have control of the centre of the pitch.

20 Oct 2020 20:22:54
Royjac
Celtic also played that system in Rome.
We counter attacked in big numbers and caused them plenty of problems.

20 Oct 2020 21:53:52
Buzz Bomb I think it is the way forward for teams of a higher standard for us, it is essentially the formation they use against us also. Defense to attack in a flash, it suits the personnel we have better I think 👍.

20 Oct 2020 16:24:57
There seems to be so many elements going wrong at the same time at present which is causing this malaise. Sutton today blaming Griffiths I see. What I don't understand though is it taking 8 weeks (since we came out of lockdown and players started training) and LG is still not fit enough to even play 45-60 minutes of football yet. I understand about the match fitness element and I coach in the running and keep fit world so I do have an understanding of it all, but he must have been hammered in terms of running as soon as he got back, been training 8 weeks, played in numerous mini bounce games in training, come of the bench recently and played a full 90 mins behind closed doors! But still only deemed fit enough to play a few minutes at the end of the game. I mean he's a fullyime footballer what are they actually doing at Lennoxtown. Don't get it. There is miss management from the top down that the only fit strikers we have for the most important game of the season is the 4th choice and a midfielder! Griffiths-coaching staff, Ajeti-PL pissing about taking so long to sign, Eddie-bad luck with C.V. yes but is there something more going on with him? And Jullian? He's very quiet on social media these days and this back injury carry on is all very strange, I'm not getting into the NL debate as I'm somewhere in the middle and see good points from both sides, but even sitting on the fence a blind man can see that the NL sitting in that dugout Arms folded meekly accepting defeat to that shower of sh1t is not fist pumping, aeroplane simulating guy who stood up to Nail Bombs. so many concerning things and we are a quarter of the way through one of the most important seasons in our history. Someone within the club and I don't care if its DD or the Doris the canteen lady need to get things sorted out very quickly as the double header against Aberdeen coming up is going to definitely plunge us into crises. Time for leaders, step forward someone!

20 Oct 2020 17:01:02
Brilliant post Markie and spot on.

20 Oct 2020 17:02:25
I have not seen anything like this since the RD days or when John Barnes 'lost the dressing room' with so many huffy/ unsettled players, with indiscipline from Griffiths and even a player going AWOL (Boli) . Jullien and others rumoured to be falling out with the manager and as you say NL himself, looking and sounding so defeatist, disinterested and passive in embarrassing defeat.
You would hope the club captain could mediate or alleviate some of the pressures/ problems, but he too looked deflated on Saturday.
The club will not sack the manager in October and even though he looks so forlorn and dejected, he will not walk away, so the only immediate rectification is for a laying down of the law and even removal of certain players out of the daily routine, but that too has it's dangers and repercussions.
Some of the players seemed set on a move, but for one reason or another it never materialized; they are still under contract and really need to earn their money and perform in a way that shows a true valuation and attract positive interest in the future?
I feel so angry and upset, because here we don't have a team of players that are starved of success or on low wages, they are very, very fortunate compared to millions of other people and thousands of the best supporters in the world, who put their faith and cash into the club no matter what.
They deserve a manager and team that gives 100% at the very least.

20 Oct 2020 21:05:40
Who do you think or would have at celtic all big clubs go through periods of unrest but leaders are born not bought and the time is for players to step up and think why they wear the hoops and be trying hard to win every game for there fans who will follow them to the end no point saying this and that it has to be 100 per that's why they huddle no blame or shame just give it your all and I know we won't be far away as we are Glasgow Green and white is.

20 Oct 2020 14:38:53
Why are we banned from saying Sevco? Is that classed as bad language? Who are we offending on a Celtic site?

{Ed033's Note - What?

20 Oct 2020 14:54:52
Sevco gets changed to Rangers.
Why would that be the case and who is responsible?

{Ed033's Note - This sounds more scandalous than the U.K. government paying councils tens of millions to agree to Tier 3 Lockdowns. This sounds even more scandalous than the U.K government hand picking test centres so the test centres put out as many positive test results as the government needs to keep the 'Pandemic'/Lockdowns going.

20 Oct 2020 15:10:50
Spoke like a true politician Ed.
So the answer do my question is?

{Ed033's Note - I've had a look to see what happened. Someone said the word 'Huns' was being used inappropriately or something like that so the word 'Huns' was being changed to 'Rangers', it's now being changed to 'Sevconians'. :)

20 Oct 2020 15:32:31
Thanks for sorting that out Ed.
I didn’t mean any disrespect about the dreadful C.V.

20 Oct 2020 15:54:30
Cheers Ed. Noticed a few posts had Sevco changed to Rangers then BB mentioned it as well.

{Ed033's Note - The word 'Sevco' wasn't being changed to 'Rangers' as far as i know.

20 Oct 2020 11:20:25
I checked the officials for this weekend, Celtic had Nick Walsh against Aberdeen and Sevco had Wullie Collum against Livingston.
For some reason the officials have been switched.
Celtic now have Collum and they now have Walsh.

20 Oct 2020 11:58:18
Hmmm, interesting.

20 Oct 2020 12:10:21
Why do Celtic never ever highlight or expose these frequent curios regarding The Establishment and their allocation methods. If - as some think - it's all above board, then they have nothing to hide?

20 Oct 2020 12:49:49
It's a conspiracy

Clear as day.

20 Oct 2020 14:36:25
I'd say Walsh is probably about the best of a bad bunch.

20 Oct 2020 15:59:49
Clancy and Collum will not take charge of many orc games this season that's a certainty.

20 Oct 2020 10:16:44
Celtic will now be playing catch-up until February with us potentially having 3 games in hand.
The SPFL will get the clubs to vote soon on when the league can be concluded if there is another lockdown.

50% ( 19 league games ) shouldn't be an option because Celtic will still have games in hand come the half way stage.
I think 30 league games, the same as last season will get voted in.
If it gets voted in and the season does in fact finish after 30 games it will be to our advantage.

First of all Celtic will have played 16 home games and they will have played 16 away games.
Also we will miss going to Ibrox, Pittordrie, Easter Road and Livingston for a second time.

We will also miss Tannadice for a second time (31st game) and Elvis Fc ( 32nd game)
I don't want to use the "S" word incase I receive another ban.

20 Oct 2020 11:06:11
i don't see football being locked down again, all though it wouldn't surprise me if no fans were allowed in all season.

20 Oct 2020 11:12:07
There is no such thing as home and away games now, without any crowds.

20 Oct 2020 11:37:25
If we went into another full lockdown I think they would hold off and play the season to a finish later on. Which is what they should have done last season.

20 Oct 2020 11:52:34
I don’t think that will happen BigBubs with the Euros on in the summer.
I don’t think they would finish off the season in August due to European football starting up then.
To be fair they said they couldn’t finish off last season late because it would run into the new Sly deal. They wouldn’t have that problem this time around.

20 Oct 2020 12:10:52
Aindoh, They can still dictate the pitch width, over or under water it etc.

20 Oct 2020 12:54:19
We should have made pitch narrower on saturday and grew the grass and had someone remote controlling the sprinklers on saturday, turning them on everytime they were in our penalty area.

20 Oct 2020 13:23:47
The water would get in Shane Duffys eyes. Not that it would make much difference.

20 Oct 2020 10:19:36
Hurting as bad as everyone else but need to accept that lennon is going nowhere and tactics are not drastically changing anytime soon.
The air of gloom and defeatism has to be lifted, the coaching staff have to get guys believing in themselves again, stop the hesitancy get the ball moving faster back to front and be proud to wear the jerseys.
We have the best squad that's 100% certain, they need to start believing, put any rubbish out of their minds till end of season and make history.

20 Oct 2020 12:55:57
Impossible to disagree with any of that.

20 Oct 2020 07:34:08
Been a while since I posted but thanks to the eds and all the guys on here as I read every day.

Ultmately the game on Sunday was lost due to tactics and not players missing. Gerrard allowed Celtic's back 3 to have the ball and made sure that Arfield and Kamara met the Wing Backs high up the pitch and allowed Barisic and Tav to stay free or 2v1. Many people have called for 2 strikers but teams have now realised to pack that space between the strikers and midfield. I honestly don't remember a game lately with the exception of Hibs where Celtic have forced a keeper to make saves.

I know some guys on here will slate me for saying this but Brown was Celtic's best player on Sunday and is needed for these games. Ntcham should be sold as he flatters to deceive and went missing. This is the case in most games. He offered no support to Frimpong going forward or in defence but gets a free pass as he does a few stepovers and makes the odd long pass.

The game at the weekend just showed that the tactics are completely wrong and easy to defend against. Not saying that Lenoon should or shouldn't be sacked but something has to change. Sorry for the long post.

20 Oct 2020 11:14:17
Brown is always our best player when we don't play well, that's why we don't play well .