Celtic Banter Archive November 19 2014

19 Nov 2014 19:20:38
Poll ed, Are fans happy with the football we seeing so far?

{Ed007's Note - That's 4 times you've sent that in now. There's no point clogging the page up with poll suggestions so unless it's included in a post they just get noted and the post gets deleted. I need to ask, do you mean Bolton, Celtic or Scotland? (wasntme)

Ed, maybe we could have a weekly poll.
It seems that some people start a new thread each week re Deila's ability to manage Celtic Football club .

Don't need a poll to answer that. If we are using last season as a benchmark (an absolutely horrendous season deflected by a clever PR campaign highlighting "clean sheet record") then personally i'm absolutey estatic about the standard of football

Dn I see you are a supporter that likes to see plenty of goals and no long unbeaten runs .
I didn't hear tell of any changes to our PR dept. this season, so I assume we have the same personnel as last season
I think now that we are in the long nights we should look forward towards what we can win this season .

{Ed007's Note - The PR department don't do after match interviews and pre-match press conferences. You need to check what PR means, it doesn't take a PR department to use PR. My PR is shocking, it's hard to be civil when you generally detest mankind and everything to do with it - we don't have a PR department. Stop trying to be a smart ar$e, Chris, you were doing so well too. NL didn't need any help doing his own PR and he more than anyone spoke publicly about the 'unbeaten run', he was more concerned about it than a lot of fans. And when it was broken at Aberdeen.... he blamed the ref!

'I thought the referee ruined the game. It's not a sending-off. Pawlett was going across the goal rather than towards the goal.'

Granted I suppose it's better than 'heavy legs' or 'fatigue' although he did acknowledge that all strength isn't physical:

'It looked like we had the extra man. We dominated and didn't get the rewards all our good play and mental strength deserved. But sometimes you don't get what you deserve in football'.

I'll skip commenting on the irony in that last sentence and the fact the whole quote contradicts him blaming the ref - especially when we dropped the appeal against van Dijk's red card! In case you're wondering why I have the quotes at hand I'm doing PR work for Bolton and they want some pieces about NL. :)

Chris who doesn't like an unbeaten run?

Point I'm making is club felt the unforgivable league cup exit to morton, our shambles of a performance in europe to name a few didn't matter cause a new clean sheet record was set. By the way you do know that a team can have an unbeaten record yet have opponents score against them?

I'm going to be brutally honest here and know I will cause offence but I was relieved when clean sheet record came to an end. Reason.it brought back the reality of how $hit our season was and there was no distraction to deflect problems we had onfield and off

{Ed007's Note - Hand on heart I couldn't have cared less about the unbeaten run if I had tried. It was all for one man's ego, once the league was won he should have been giving young players a run out to see how they handled it, maybe they weren't fit enough.}

Ed I'm same regards clean sheet record. That's all some supporters base their argument that last season was a success on.

It's a natural managerial decision to rest first team players once any league is won to develop youth and give them valuable game time.

One of the problems with Lennon and why he was never going to be a good manager for celtic, was he still thought he was a player

{Ed007's Note - It didn't help that he seen himself as one of the Bhoys, he should have kept a distance from players on a personal level i.e out for a pint etc and had an authoritive marker of a line you don't cross when he's about. I'm not even commenting on a CFC manager being on Twitter but I put all that down to his inexperience as a manager, hopefully he's learned from it and will do things different now he's at Bolton.}

I genuinely wish him all the best at bolton. I personally think he would of done better if he served an apprenticeship before becoming celtic manager. Praying he does us all a favour and takes Ambrose

Apologies ed I didn't know that, rumour has it Bolton are playing better football. A@ DN funny you mention NL inexperience and shudnt a got the job in your opinion (fair enough) but MON had a great team with much better players and was a manager with lots of experience and had won trophies yet cudnt get us into last 16 even with a massive budget. No doubt you will bring up Morton but did MON not have the odd embarrassing result too, WGS did with Clyde. Were they results the last straw with you too?

What irritated me about Lennon and the Unbeaten run, was that as soon as it was gone, it was then a points record, after that failed it was then a goal scoring record bla bla bla.

I want a Treble, something we have not achieved since the demise of the once 2nd biggest team in Glasgow and this IMO was and is not acceptable.

Also Rayman, Bolton may be playing better, but reality is they could not have played any worse lol.

Rayman you harper on about last 16, achieved in one season but what about the rest of his european adventures?

You mention MON, I'm sorry but getting to UEFA cup final wins it for me everytime. You do know there was a DVD produced called "The Road To Seville"? Can't remember Lennons last 16 dvd can you? Do you know how ridiculous a statement you have made?

You are clutching at straws trying to save face

Rayman why did you use MON as a comparison and not WGS?

I enjoyed the unbeaten run, for what it was the team going on a long time without losing in the SPL . It wasn't a manager thing or any individual player but to me it was a Celtic club record . I support Celtic and I don't allow hatred or love of individual get in the way of enjoying success . Individuals come and go ( and of course we should let go) but I supported Celtic probably before anyone currently employed by Celtic joined them and I will continue .

@ DN reason I used MON because you said NL shudnt have got the job as he had no experience, so I was comparing to 1 that did. But the 1 that did cudnt gt us to last 16, and the 1 that didn't did. So kinda ruins your theory. Like you I loved Seville I was there as you prob were. But I never been so gutted after a defeat. Looking at it now we lost and the club didn't make much out of it. THe ONLY way we can make good revenue these days is CL, its the be all and end all till things change. Here is a wee scenario for you. Imagine we won the treble last 3 years and never got in CL. Then imagine we got in CL last 3 years but never won the cups. What scenario would you take? And can you imagine the kind of team we would have without the CLmoney because we not exactly buying top players with it so can you imagine the players we would have without it.We not exactly a great team the now, so imagine the kind of football we would be watchin with inferior players than we have now.Cos that's the reality of the situation.

@rayman you make last 16 sound like a major achievement, bigger than reaching UEFA cup final. Your only defence of Lennon is "last 16" chat, but how was the other 3 european campaigns he was in charge of?

2010-11 we got knocked out first CL then Europa qualifiers by Braga and Utercht.

2011-12 Got beat by Sion in qualifier and put back into Europa League by default. FINISHED 3RD

2012-13 Last 16 of CL

2013-14 FINISHED BOTTOM OF CL GROUP.

Sorry I'm failing to see how you could possibly even try to argue Lennon was a success in europe.

Lennon spent a similar figure to WGS and WGS GOT TO LAST 16 TWICE.

You have absolutely no argument regards MON.

22 Nov 2014 20:12:47
mon spent a fortune compared to wgs and nl he nearly put us in to bankrupsy but I loved every bit of it he filled celtic park every week

Exbhoysguild MON did spend a lot in first season, but over the rest of his tenure in total spent less than WGS and Lennon

@ DN you do make me laff. I have no argument? Why? is it because you say so? Do you live in a fascist state where only your opinion counts? The WHOLE point here is you said he shudnt have got the job. I countered by saying he did what an experienced manager cudnt.

Rayman you have no argument that is credible to suggest Lennon was a success in europe. It was you who brought up MON stating although he was experienced could not take celtic to last 16 in CL and Lennon did.

I merely stated facts that the experience of MON took celtic to UEFA Cup final, far better than reaching last 16 once.

What happened to the other 3 european competitions under lennon? Surely now you will save face and at least acknowledge that lennons inexperience was evident

@ DN you have went from callin me a liar to having no argument to now having no credible argument. I think its your credibility in question here. You even tried to bring in transfer fees which had nothing to do with it.I never once said NL was a success in Europe (how you luv to put words in my mouth) I said he did what MON cudnt and you can't give him any credit for it. Last 16 for us is a very credible thing just like Seville is very credible but you choose to give credit to 1 but not the other.

How's my credibility at stake? Everything I've said is based on factual evidence and actually happened.

Don't know if your aware, but transfer fees are a significant part of any clubs budget.

Rayman this page is a banter page, if you can't handle the pace it's probably best you take up cross stitching or knitting or something

If I took up knitting you would call me a liar. Then a fool for doing so. Then prob bring up the fiction about how NL never made money for Celtic lol.

19 Nov 2014 16:47:21
Wakaso has just scored for Ghana:

It even beat the camera man. A couple of them against Salzburg please.

19 Nov 2014 15:48:32
Anyone heard anything regarding who we will bring in in January? Think we should look at Ikechi Anya. Not always a starter at Watford but would probably slot straight into our starting eleven.

19 Nov 2014 06:07:32
Looking at the poll for today (only 4 votes so far). I can't believe that people would vote against paying the living wage. Would love to hear the reasons for not paying it. I can only think that it would be financial and clubs might not be able to afford it but it does not stop them paying ott money to directors and players. At first I thought it was a strange poll but I guess it could generate discussion. (I may have answered my own question but I will looking for any thoughts and reasons)

Are all core/permenant employees on living wage? or are you talking about casual/gameday staff

{Ed007's Note - If companies are accredited by the Living Wage Foundation it covers all employees, even sub-contractors. If you're not paying the Living Wage you don't get any business.}