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19 Jan 2018 14:54:41
Masonry banter continued:

It does matter what masonry was when we are discussing the inks between freemasonry and the Knights Templar. So you are wrong.

I agree that the masons may have started slightly earlier than 1598 but there is no record of the organisation in Scotland prior to 1598 but again, what do Knights Templar have to do with stonemasons guild?

I am not saying that 1/ 3 of US presidents is not a significant number, I was merely pointing out that you are wrong when you claim all but 2 of them were masons.

With regards to contracts being given to "fellow masons", neither you nor I have evidence of this. All though I will concede that I am sure the practice goes on. However, the freemasons organisation are not benefiting directly and they also don't have anything in their rules that tell masons to do this. Therefore, you cannot blame the organisation for this dodgy practice, just like you cannot blame the catholic church for a priests paedophilie activities. To enlighten you, people who want to do dodgy things usually find a conduit that allows them easy access to do so and the blame lies with the individuals, not the organisation.

If you look at the eye of horus and compare with the eye of providence, they look nothing alike and the triangle is used because of geometry and is not a pyramid. Do some research on masonic symbols. There is plenty of reliable sources and despite what you may think, the freemasons are not a secret society. You only have to look at a local newspaper to see them advertise their meetings for that week, you can go on their website and see pictures of 33rd degree masons. Freemasons are also allowed to say they are members to anyone they want.

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19 Jan 2018 16:07:06
RAW your talking mince meat mate. I can give you examples of jobs been given in Celtic and in my own place of work due to people either being in the goat molesters or there father being in it I also know of contracts being won when there at there secret society meetings, it’s a fact the majority of police in senior positions are well on in the masons there all scum.

19 Jan 2018 16:17:09
Interesting post. Personally, I never knew about Freemasons until I went to work in Singapore 7 years ago. I always connected Masons with the Orange order. So to me, a Mason was an orangeman. The guy I worked with (my supervisor but a mate as well) to shared a taxi regularly with me and once, he said he had to go to the Lodge would it be ok to stop off there? I went with him and he left me at the bar where I met several guys who I got on great with. They asked if I was in the Fraternity and when I said no, it did not make a lot of difference and we chatted as guys do. Compare this to a friend of our family who took me to his Lodge (orange) bar in Glasgow. Met a few guys who, when they found out my surname and that I was not in the "Ludge" basically never said much to me after that. Funnily enough, I asked my mate about the "handshakes" and getting special treatment for contracts etc. He would not go into detail but did say it was not a secret society but a society with secrets. As for handshakes. he said that it does happen but is frowned on. He added that if a mason was in the position to decide on two competitors of equal standing/ ability/ price etc. for a job, contract etc. then, if one of them was a mason it could sway the decision. His take anyway.

19 Jan 2018 19:00:33
Guys, let's go back to about 1982-83: I went for an interview with a very very well known distillers:
Here is a little background, My Father in law worked there, so i thought i had a shout for a job:
as it turned out I never got the job, however my brother in law
(who`s dad works there ) got a job just after my interview.
So he then informed me a few weeks later, the reason why i never got the job.
I am a Catholic, and the workers were ALL Protestants:

Well not bang my own drum, but they missed out on a guy who works his backside off.

19 Jan 2018 19:39:17
I had an ex boss who looked like Elmar fudd out bugs bunny guy was a right wee blue nose I ran the biggest department in the shop he would rather talk to the rangers supporting trolley boy or butcher than me? Only three managers were good guys after one Celtic v the old rangers where Celtic pumped them we went to the Monday managers meeting. The bakery manager had a bag in front of him. As the meeting started wee elmar asked what’s in the bag the bakery boss opened it rolled me and the only other Tim manager a lemon and said bite on that it’s the only thing that will take the smile off yer face? We were pissing ourself and the dozen or so hun managers were raging. happy memories of a hun boss.

19 Jan 2018 23:27:47
Iwanted to work in the media (yeh, well, in fairness I was young and stupid) and went for an interview with career master who bluntly told me I had zero chance due to the school I went to.

19 Jan 2018 23:52:20
Peterbhoy! You are talking about something that happened 36 years ago in a company where every single employee was a Protestant - I seriously doubt it! Btw the original post was about masons, not Protestant's, you do realise the difference?

20 Jan 2018 07:16:16
went for a job through in Edinburgh at a shipping line was asked my name by the concierge never allowed through the front door. Wrong name maybe I should have used robertson, caldwell hey why sell your soul.

20 Jan 2018 08:05:48
@campsiebhoy - do you realise that you are disagreeing with what you think I said, not what I actually said? If you a actually read what I said I never mentioned jobs.

It would appear that you are reading my post in isolation, when in actual fact it is a part of an argument with another poster. Not only that you are misreading what I said. If you get off your high horse and take your time to read what I said, you may notice that I said I don't have any evidence of contracts being given to fellow masons. I then said but I was not doubting that it happened. So there was no denying this practice on my part, so there was no need for your I'll informed reply. I am now wondering if you will have the humility to apologise for saying I was talking pi$h?

When you say you know of contracts being given at Masonic meetings, it is you who is talking nonsense. If you had ever been to a Masonic meeting or knew what happened at the meetings you would know that no one really talks at these meetings as they are mostly listening to things relating to freemasonry and there isn't really any talking.

For the record freemasonry is not a secret society and a Masonic lodge is totally different to an orange lodge, all though in some parts of scotland there is a cross over of membership, which may be were some people's wires are getting crossed. In freemasonry you are not supposed to talk about religion or politics according to their bylaws.

20 Jan 2018 08:44:03
Can’t be ill informed mate when it’s happened on jobs I’m on and in my own place of work. 2 of the apprentices at my work got started due to there dad being I. The knuckle crunch brigade. I could give other examples but would effect a couple of other friends who read this page. You said you had no proof I have proof and it’s as in your face as can be.

20 Jan 2018 08:16:34
Zikos what kind of Catholic would join such an organisation? Was ment to be taboo infact what kind of man would join such an organisation? Grown men trooping about with there breast out trouser leg rolled up a rope around there neck and waiting there turn to interfear with a poor goat all done behind a locked door!

20 Jan 2018 11:20:44
@CampsieBhoy - Let me spell this out for you as you seem to be missing the point.

My actual words were in response to someone else. To be able to grasp my point you need to read the post I was responding to.

Anyway, my actual words were as follows:

"With regards to contracts being given to "fellow masons", neither you nor I (the I mentioned was the person I was responding to and not you) have evidence of this. All though I will concede that I am sure the practice goes on. "

As you can see I was talking only about contracts, nothing to do with jobs. You will also notice that I conceded that contracts were probably given to fellow masons on some occasions.

Your response said I was talking mince. So explain how I was talking mince? Was I talking mince when I said I have no evidence? (if so how do you know I have evidence? ) Was I talking mince when I said the practice probably goes on?

Now to your initial response. Answer me this, why did you bring jobs into the argument when you were trying to show I was talking mince, when there was no mention of jobs any where in my post? You also said you had evidence of contracts being given to masons by other masons, so how does that disprove my point, which was I personally have no evidence?

Then why say you have evidence when I already conceded that the practice most likely happens. Did you not realise that your alleged experience backed up my assertion that the practice most likely happens?

Your response clearly shows that you either did not read what I posted or that you didn't understand what I actually said. So which was it?

Now why don't you show me your evidence that business contracts were given to other masons while attending a masonic meeting. Did they do it at the opening of the lodge when only office bearers recite phrases from a book and visitors are introduced? Did they do it while a degree was being worked, when only office bearers are reciting ritual? Did they do it at the close of the lodge when office bearers recite the words needed to close the lodge?

Let me give you a hand, the answer is no they didn't because only masonic ritual and masonic matters are talked about at masonic meetings. So to conclude you are greatly mistaken or just plain talking pi$h, when you make your claim that business contracts were handed out at masonic meetings. From your initial response to me it is clear that you have no knowledge of what happens at masonic meetings and that your opinion is based purely on hearsay.

20 Jan 2018 11:36:21
@CampsieBhoy - You ask why any catholic would join such an organisationo.

So ask yourself this, why was John Paul II voted in by a catholic freemason and then handed the keys to the catholic church by another catholic freemason?

The person who cast the deciding vote for JPII to become pope was Cardinal Sebastiano Baggio, who was a freemason.

The person who asked JPII if he accepts the role of pope at his initiation ceremony was Cardinal Jean Villot, who was also a freemason.

Who would have thought, that these evil, anti-catholic freemasons would have managed to get such important positions within the church they hated.

20 Jan 2018 12:11:59
Is getting mixed up between sectarism and the influence of the freemasons.

20 Jan 2018 11:52:20
Freemasons, as I understand it, have members of all religions and backgrounds. Now the Orange Lodge and the Knights of St Columba. THEY are religious fraternities. Of course, the Knights would never award jobs or contracts to fellow members in the same way masons do!
I have also read various Catholic articles on the masons and their relationship to the Catholic Church. Basically, a Catholic who joins the Masons is automatically excommunicated as they go directly against Catholic teachings. I have asked my mate what the conflicts are and he cannot explain as he does not see any conflict other than members accepting God but not via the teachings and acceptance of Christ. Other than that, he does not know. Interesting subject and loosely relates to Celtic and football in general but Celtic themselves are multi-national and multi-denominational. It is a club open to all.

{Ed007's Note - www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/august-11th-2017/the-real-reason-catholics-cant-be-freemasons/


"The new Code of Canon Law issued in 1983 did not mention the Craft or similar groups by name, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (future Pope Benedict XVI), head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith firmly reiterated the old ban on 26 November, 1983: “The Church’s negative position on Masonic associations therefore remains unaltered since their principles have always been regarded as irreconcilable with the Church’s doctrine.” Pope John Paul II ordered this rule incorporated in Church law. The bishops of the United States reported the same conclusion in 1985: one cannot be both a Catholic and a Freemason.

Numerous other Christian bodies also condemn Freemasonry, including many Lutherans, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Baptists, and Orthodox followers of the Holy Synod of Greece. Even the Mormons, originally influenced by Masonry, condemn the Craft.

The Catholic Church and the Lodge can never be reconciled. Freemasonry teaches a rival religion of Naturalism, whether it plots, persecutes, blasphemes, engages in philanthropy, or behaves politely. It treats all religions as equal but inferior to its own Gnostic wisdom. Alas, the vaunted profundity on offer never manifests itself from the shadows of secrecy. Even after a man has taken every degree known in the Masonic mansion, he will be no more enlightened than when he began, but considerably farther from the true Light. The Great Architect the Universe of Deism and Freemasonry is not the Triune God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—of Christians."

20 Jan 2018 14:25:37
I bet not many people on here even realised that the United Irishmen who started the Republican movement in Ireland were a quasi-masonic group and had strong connections with many of the masonic lodges in Ireland. In actual fact the freemasons played a major roll in the Irish rebellion of 1798.



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