18 Apr 2016 21:39:28
I know his name is thrown around a lot when it comes to the Celtic job but what is everyone's serious thoughts on larsson? Me personally I would like to see him giving it however he is inexperienced and is still learning, wether he would take it under current circumstances is another matter hypothetically if he would take would you want him?
{Ed007's Note - Why would you like to see Larsson get the job, can you give me one reason why he should be even considered?}
18 Apr 2016 21:51:43
No chance should Larsson be given the job! He's has done absolutely nothing as a manager so far. hopefully in time that changes and he could be considered further down the line. but now is the time for a manager with experience, not handing it over to another rookie.
18 Apr 2016 21:54:31
Well one because he knows what it means to the fans and would give 100% as he did as a player, 2 he is very well respected at the top level of the game and is known as being very intelligent when it comes to football, I already stated in my OP that he is inexperienced but he fits the bill for the cheaper option while also being a good motivator for players because let's face it if your at Celtic and don't give your all for someone like larsson then who are you going to do it for. I know this team is full of mediocre players but if they were all giving 100% percent I bet this season would be going a lot better than it is.
{Ed007's Note - I read as far as 'he knows what it means to the fans' and decided not to harm my brain by reading the rest of it.}
18 Apr 2016 21:58:07
I don't get the Larsson talk. As well as which, a few people on here have said no to Roy Keane and Owen Coyle because they said no when asked before - well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but so did Henrik. And for what it's worth, Keane and Coyle are way more experienced than Larsson, and would (in my eyes) be better equipped for the job. Not that I'm set on either of them personally. Although, as a United fan I LOVE/ D Keane and think his management experiences are often underplayed - or more accurately, people who know little about it see his last few jobs and assume he's a poor manager.
This talk of Brendan Rodgers too? What's that all about? I'd rather Derek McInnes than Rodgers or Moyes - and I'm dead serious about that.
{Ed007's Note - You're not allowed to mention Larsson turning the job down.}
18 Apr 2016 22:17:56
Giving it to L arsonn would be as bad as giving it to another Ronnie.
18 Apr 2016 22:25:42
Well we have a problem RD was fourth or Fifth choice and RD only got it after he was supposed to be number two!
RD will be replaced but at 300k renummeration who will take it?
Lets not forget fat sally was earning more than TWICE! RD was before pay cuts (y)
{Ed007's Note - Just changing manager isn't going to fix what's broken and as things stand a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.}
18 Apr 2016 22:30:04
Is that because you can't bear the fact your wrong ed? I never once mentioned the fact larsson turned down the job a few years ago while still under contract at his boyhood club. He has more experience now than he did back then and if you get off your high horse and read my above post you would see why I think he should be giving the job. You seem to know it all ed so why don't you tell me who should get the job? And please be realistic.
{Ed007's Note - No it's because you're first reason was just another way of saying 'Celtic minded' and I was trying to be nice.
I could name 100 managers who are respected and I'd like to think anyone working at CFC is intelligent when it comes to football, in fact it's a kind of prerequisite I'd say.
You have no idea how Larsson is as a coach or at motivating players so that's just you making up stuff. What formation does he play, what system and style of football does he play? Do you even know his managerial record?
Falkenberg: P. 30 W. 9 D. 6 L.15.
Helsingborgs: P.38 W.13 D.7 L.17.
Helsingborgs are currently sitting THIRTEENTH in the 16 team Allsvenskan. We brought in the top coach in Norway and it hasn't worked out and you want to bring in someone who's struggling in the Swedish league? Any suggestions why all that respect he has at the top end of the game and football intelligence isn't helping Helsingborgs?
Maybe he's not giving it 100% or doesn't know what it means to the Helsingborgs fans, maybe his system and tactics don't work and he doesn't know how to change them, maybe the players don't respect him, maybe he can't get his message across, maybe he doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
If any player at CFC doesn't respect the manager then they shouldn't be at CFC, playing for the support and the jersey should be enough for anyone regardless of why the manager is. I can just see the reaction if a player came out and said he wasn't really trying under RD but he would if it was Larsson that was manager.
Well I think that about covers it - now where did that high horse get to?}
18 Apr 2016 22:35:51
Care to share why you think that aindoh? Larsson is in another league compared to Ronny? Ronny delia was known in Norway and that was about it larsson is known world wide, has respect and contacts Ronny could only dream of.
18 Apr 2016 22:38:59
People keep talking of experienced managers, like who? Peter Houston? We will not get the type of manager most desire, they are way out of our budget and would no doubt laugh at the suggestion pl and Jp will be signing players for them.
18 Apr 2016 22:46:40
Henrik Larssson doesn't seem the person to take risks and the Celtic job these days is too big, too soon for him in my opinion - apart from the fact he has no more experience than the previous two.
I posted earlier that Roy Keane would be ideal because of his no - nonsense approach, reputation and experience and he would possibly attract better players [budget permitting].
The fact that he had mixed success in England is irrelevant as there have been plenty Celtic managers who struggled in England - including big Jock - who achieved very successful stints at Celtic.
18 Apr 2016 22:50:18
Yes Jamie he was that and he's also a example why just because you where a legend as a player doesn't mean it's going to be the same as a manager it's a totally different game fans forget pretty quickly when they don't like what they see on the park!
18 Apr 2016 22:53:07
So what are you trying to say?, sally was getting paid 800 grand a year so if you want a better manager than sally you have to pay more, wakey wakey, i'll let you into something maybe you didn't realise, sally was getting paid toooootoooo much, you don't have to pay over the odds to get a good manager, you just have to get a good manager.
18 Apr 2016 23:26:47
i meant in managerial experience larsonn and ronnie would not be that much different, just because Henrik was one of the best players ever doesn't mean he would be good as a manager,
{Ed007's Note - Hypothetically, Aindoh, if Larsson had came in 2 years ago and had the exact same record as RD do you think we'd have been having the same discussions and debates we've had since RD came in?}
18 Apr 2016 22:29:43
Is there two two ronnies?
18 Apr 2016 23:49:24
Aindoh you have to pay the going rate for a manager
People are talking about Moyes and Rodgers I asked Ed out of curiosity how much Rodgers was on at Liverpool and it was something like 4 million a, year Moyes 6 million
You ever hear the saying" you pay peanuts you get. "?
Circa 300k does not get you much in fact Keane ridiculed it and so did the managers association that he asked to double check it!
18 Apr 2016 23:55:17
thats a hypothetical question ED. and any time i hear a polititician on tv, they will not answer hypothetical questions and i will concur, whatever that means.
{Ed007's Note - It's OK, you did answer. :=o
19 Apr 2016 00:02:26
Delphic mentioned Bielsa a lot that would be a good appointment but probably too pricey for us. Michael O'Neil or Age Hariede would be within budget but Age has took over Denmark now.
{Ed007's Note - Why would we appoint a manager that can't speak a word of English?}
19 Apr 2016 00:12:54
Ronnie, I'd have Peter Houston before I'd have Larsson.
19 Apr 2016 00:30:32
Henrik will not put his hero status with the fans under threat to take on the poison chalice at this time, he'd be on a hiding to nothing under this board's financial constraints much as the Pieman was in Sevco .
19 Apr 2016 00:55:14
I have very little optimism that whoever we appoint will make much of difference . Remember P Lawwell will most likely appoint the new manager . People have accused R D of being a "Yes" man . Surely to God P L is not stupid enough to appoint a manager who is going to be uncooperative with him . P L will have him well sussed out at Interview& pre interview stage that P L and new manager can work together . That's why we will be lucky to have even the slightest improvement .
If u were talking to PL, he would say R D was very unlucky, he had the team playing well enough to create numerous chances compared to them . Miss a complete open goal . P L would argue that the players at his disposal were good enough to win
So he wouldn't accept any blame personnaly.
19 Apr 2016 01:05:10
The only problem with that assertion Old Bhoy (that Lawwell would point to chances etc and claim we were unfortunate) is that it only addresses the final result. Had we won it wouldn't have changed my thoughts on the game, in particular that first half. We were shameful. They were hungrier, fitter and quite simply wanted it more.
{Ed007's Note - I had to listen to a drunk mate babble on for an hour about us having 33 shots at goal and they didn't have a shot at our goal from the 28th minute until Halliday's equaliser but there is no excuse for that first half display.}
19 Apr 2016 05:17:44
Chances missed, shots at goal, unfortunate, all only cloud the real issues. The possession was 60-40 in Rangers favour mainly due to:
a. We seemed clueless how to work together in pressing a team with the ball (coaching/practice) .
b. We seemed clueless how to pass the ball properly when we did have possession, so kept losing it (coaching/practice) .
These are two basic principles of modern football we seem to be incapable of doing.
How many hospital passes did we play?
How often did we punt the ball up the park to a lone striker, hoping?
Why did so many of our players appear to have cramp, are they not fit?
Simply, we were outplayed by a team from a lower division who did all the things we should have been doing far better than we did, and deserved to lose.
So what do we do, accept it and learn, or make excuses? The board's choice really, and if they go with the latter, then they should simply go away and don't come back! We sing, "to play football the Glasgow Celtic way". Is that it?
The Champions League: Do you really think I'd want us to be in that, getting stuffed 4, 5, 6-0? We finished bottom of our Europa League group, remember!
The entire coaching staff should be sacked immediately, along with a quite few of the players as they are simply not good enough. We had a gilt edged opportunity 4 years ago and wasted it.
We don't need a big name coach or players, we need a 5 to 10 year plan to change the face of not only Celtic FC, but Scottish football. To do that we need coaches, lots of them, and good footballing technical coaches at that. Don't waste money on mediocre players, get coaches.
I hear we have around 80 kids, but we need around 800, and if out of that we get 1% or 2%, then that's a good return (do the maths) . If we sell a few, so what! Build, progress, build, progress, getting better all the time. Get a style of play that's effective, and stick to it, but continually be prepared to analyse and adapt.
Then maybe we can go into the Champions League and compete, and maybe even dream!
{Ed001's Note - you would destroy the chances of any making it if you have 800 kids. If anything, 80 is too many. What you need is to work with a small group of players and a large number of coaches, like they do in Germany and Spain.}