Celtic Banter Archive April 22 2015

22 Apr 2015 18:48:22
lets all give our team a lift for tonight's game.

I will start.


Hail Hail The Celts are here.
COYBIG.

22 Apr 2015 13:52:13
So so so bored with the fallout of the semi, time to move on and get talkn about players in players out.
Who realisticly in our price range would benifit the team? By the time the loanees go at the end of season will will have lost a defender and a striker (can't count the others as they have hardly played) can we afford to spend £3 or 4m on each postition?
Or will it be the bargin buys as usual

{Ed007's Note - I'll be delighted if we can keep getting the quality of 'bargain buys' such as VVD, Johansen, GMS and Armstrong who all cost around the £2m mark over bigger money moves like Boerrigter and Pukki. It's not how much money you spend, it's how wisely you spend it.}

22 Apr 2015 14:51:13
I agree with you Ed on that one if we get a good player for next to nothing than risk 3 or 4 million on some one if you are not 100% sure he would improve the team

{Ed007's Note - I know I'm like a broken record, Tony but I'd much rather we raised the wages we paid than spend millions on transfer fees. Instead of spending £3-4 million on a player and £20k a week look at quality Bosman's and pay £30k a week, you're shopping in a whole different market then.
Would VvD stay for another year or two if we offered him £25k a week? He'd still only be turning 25/26 and I have no doubts he would improve under RD and become a better player.}

22 Apr 2015 17:31:05
Afternoon Ed, See on this point a know you gave me "pelters" in the past lol for suggesting a "striker's coach" to assist coach the strikers AS WELL as scout / run the rule over potential striker's but you have said as much yourselves in terms of the purchasing of strikers in as much that we do alright in ALL other aspects of the park EXCEPT strikers (and it looks as though you can chalk up Scepovic to that list btw!) just feel we need another approach

What about big Pierre VH he will be friendly enough with JC a would imagine he is involved a think with dutch under 21's could be great to tap into a think

If not we need a different approach/avenue because we are MINCE at picking/scouting striker's!

Following your train of thought that I like about Bosman's and said as much myself there is not a great deal available I can see that are not breaching/close to the 30 mark not or plus not an ideal age for a forward

22 Apr 2015 19:05:55
Would you agree there could be exceptions to not trying to sign players over 30 though Jamie? Don't get me wrong if we had two players of a similar quality being watched. But 5 years age difference, I'd go for the younger no doubt. But I don't think everything should be about a few years time or sell on values. Perhaps just a bit more thought into what would make a better team next season.

22 Apr 2015 19:28:44
JimTim mate a totally agree mate would not mind a couple of really decent CH's at nearing thirty or thirty knowing we would get solid 3 or 4 years out of them without having to move on mate

But a CF @ 30ish the legs starting to go a wee bit but agreed there always exceptions to the rule mate

A just think we need to try something different mate up there especially if we are going to play 1 up front which am getting used to now as long as we are at high tempo

What do you think mate you always a have player you have an eye on up your sleeve? a really don't think the team needs massive overhaul but my favourite Bosman for us was signed up elsewhere early Feb a really expected by now to have had someone in as in coming signed up as there contract was expiring if am honest

If we are not going to "globetrot" pre season a just hope we get a couple of plyers in early mate

ATVB JB7

23 Apr 2015 00:41:57
I agree with Ed re paying more in wages . I think that it is inevitable that the club is going to have to up their wage structure . I know we cannot expect to, nor should we be interested in trying to compare with the EPL . However with the massive injection of increased TV money it's inevitable that every club there will be paying higher wages than before . Players may be reluctant to come from the lower paid league in Europe to us unless we pay a lot more than before . It seems leagues from the former Soviet bloc can keep reasonably good players on low wages but I think we have to pay more to attract them .
I would prefer if we could sign players in their early twenties., firstly more likely to adopt to Ronny's way and secondly should be able to get a decent transfer fee , if they wish to move on . I think there has to be always plenty of good players in that age group and the professional scouts should be able to find them . Just because Jamie doesn't know them , doesn't mean they don't exist .

22 Apr 2015 11:05:23
I keep reading that the letter was sent because the Celtic fans wanted answers over the penalty, right? Did the board go round all the fans at Hampden and ask them this or did pl phone all the season ticket holders ( I must have been at work when he phoned ) or did the day late record tell them that's what we wanted. If it's the last one can I make it clear they don't speak for me or any Celtic fan I know .

23 Apr 2015 00:52:19
They spoke on my behalf , although at the time I felt they should have worded the letter stronger .
Don't lose any sleep over it Fab1 you don't have to worry they haven't incriminated you in any way , they didn't say they were speaking on behalf of ALL fans .

Mr. Lunny the previous compliance officer said that clubs wrote in letters every week , so again Fab1. don't be concern, Celtic haven't broken any protocols.

23 Apr 2015 23:58:45
Ed is there no way of getting the names on the top of the posts that way I don't need to scroll back up to read a post when I don't see chris02s name at the bottom of any of the replies to my posts 😉

22 Apr 2015 07:54:06
I'm a bit bored now with the Scottish Cup debacle but I think this complaining is a sign of the times.

We're not the first Club to write to the footballing authorities over a mega poor decision and won't be the last - obviously with it being Celtic, everyone & their dug has an opinion.

In my job you have no idea how many routes of complaint are open to the Public and I just need to deal with it, some complaints are justified but many not. So if you'll forgive me for feeling no sympathy towards referees or footballers.

22 Apr 2015 09:39:16
The Celtic boards letter asking for an explanation as to why the referee didn't award the penalty was sent because of supporters anguise to another 'honest mistake'.the paying public have a right to an answer. The letter was well worded with great thought put into not being labeled paranoid.There's a growing wish from all teams supporters that referees either need more help through video evidence in key moments in a game (as in rugby) or downgraded for incompetence.its a poor reflection on refereeing standards when 5 officials in one game don't come to the right decision.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but this is embarrassing. You really need to grow up. Refs are rubbish suck it up and be a man instead of whining little babies. This letter is so pathetic and shows a rank lack of professionalism within the management structure at the club. You ARE paranoid and it is ridiculous. There will always be mistakes, even with video evidence, try and remember it is just a game.}

22 Apr 2015 10:08:31
Hahaha right ed 1 I won't take the bait the rugby association have got it wrong I'm paranoid the Celtic board shouldn't listen to their support and refereeing decisions should never be challenged .what planet do you come from.

{Ed001's Note - I come from the real world, as an adult I understand people can make mistakes and childish whiners like you should be ignored. I have actually spoken to people at the English RFU regarding the video evidence and they will tell you, like they did me, that it is not the be all and end all. There are still disputes and mistakes, even with video evidence. But that is irrelevant, it is this constant whining, putting pressure on officials to try and get all the decisions in your favour I am referring to. You got breaks in the games as well, decisions that went your way, but still you are so paranoid you believe everything is against Celtic. Just grow up. It is embarrassing, the logic of a small child who only sees what goes against them and hasn't got the maturity to realise just as much goes in your favour and it is up to you to win the game, not down to the ref. Celtic should have had the game won regardless of any refereeing decision, they simply weren't good enough on the day.}

22 Apr 2015 11:02:37
It's easy for outsiders like yourself ed001 to say accept it and not be paranoid but sectarianism and institutional bias has been a problem in scotland. It is without doubt that referees,officials and managers have acted bias/sectarian(farry,brown,dougie and Dallas)even this season a celtic player was banned on probability of racism not 100% proof. I am sure most decisions are honest mistakes but incidents like Sunday with 6 officials at least 3 had good lines of sight to spot a stonewall penalty beggars belief and they should be outed as biased or demoted for a long time for being completely useless.

Ps I fully agree that celtic didn't do enough after half time and ronny merits criticism for that but no one can argue it wasn't a game changer and good luck to ict in final

{Ed001's Note - rubbish, I read exactly the same crap from every team that has a site here. You are all paranoid whiners who can't accept that mistakes happen unless they go in your favour, then you makes excuses. You need to get that chip off your shoulder. Tonev was banned for good reason, there is no such thing as 100% proof of anything. There are mathematicians that can tell you that 1+1 doesn't equal 2 even, nothing is 100% true. The officials are crap, but this letter is even worse. Hardly beggars belief when there was mistakes throughout the game by those same officials and every set of officials each week. They are human, they make mistakes, suck it up, move on and try not to rely on officials for decisions next time out.}

22 Apr 2015 11:15:45
I'm sorry Ed001 but no matter if we agree or disagree fans come on to this page to give THERE OPINIONS!! You may not always agree with what they have to say but there is no need to call there posts embarrassing! I agree the Club are beginning to Look childish in the way they have gone about this whole situation but I honestly believe they have done it to appeas the Fans that kicked up such a fuss over a hand ball these things happen in every game! I do believe with the technology nowadays something has to change! There was that instance in the Dundee United game just a few months ago when the wrong player was sent off! In this day and age with all the cameras about surely the forth official can have a TV screen to help advise the ref!

{Ed001's Note - so you think I should not be allowed to give an opinion then? Sorry but it is embarrassing and I am not going to pretend otherwise just because it might hurt a few whiny children's feelings.}

22 Apr 2015 12:36:17
Think football is going to have to address modern technology somehow.

Half/full time analysis in itself can totally undermine officials (who get paid to do a job) and make them look stupid.

How many blatant errors are acceptable really?

22 Apr 2015 12:42:57
Ed 001 you say celtic are pathetic for writing a letter asking for an explanation but what about six officials obviously not explaining after the game to a celtic official why they didn't give a penalty? Do you honestly think the six of them didn't see a replay at half time or full time. They could have said to ronny jc or pl sorry we made an honest mistake because. but they apparently didn't so that is why a letter was sent. If they did explain their reason for not giving a penalty then absolutely celtic are being petty.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? That makes writing a letter ok because they didn't say sorry? This is just getting more and more embarrassing. You think they should be watching replays at half time, which might affect their judgement in the 2nd half? This is a joke right? This letter is pathetic, making excuses for it is even worse.}

22 Apr 2015 13:08:03
I'm agreeing with ed here. This letter makes us look amateur , childish & spoilt, the ref made a big mistake, but didn't tell Gordon to bring player down, or score 3 goals against us

22 Apr 2015 13:14:13
Frighteningly accurate Ed. The fans are right to be angered by the decision but the cries of cheating, bias etc are embarrassing. Although I'd like to add that I think the SFA have made an awful decision to ban the guy who handled it. The officials should be the ones in bother for not seeing it, not the player. I was previously under the impression this type of action was only for simulation or violent conduct (on or off the ball).

22 Apr 2015 13:34:03
This is where the Club have to find a balance, how many times have we seen fans screaming for statements on every issue and threatening boycotts etc (not just this incident)

22 Apr 2015 14:47:42
Kevbhoy you think it's embarrassing to think it might be cheating/bias. Did you think the same with farry or dougie gate? Yes we are paranoid and complain prob too much but when you are sometimes proven correct it makes you suspicious of the times it was brushed under the carpet as honest mistakes.

22 Apr 2015 15:54:04
Check further up the page regarding Dougie-Gate Jim1972 and also Farry's actions were a consequence of his fallout with Fergus McCann, not an institutional hatred for Celtic.

22 Apr 2015 17:29:07
You can paint it however you want but dougie did lie and tried to concoct a story to deceive celtic and farry did hinder celtic football club not Fergus

22 Apr 2015 18:53:58
I'm not painting it any way Jim. We both have the same version of events. The only potential difference is what we think the motives are. I'm not denying that both these individuals cost our club but, as I said, in my opinion Dougie was trying to save his own skin and Farry did it to settle a personal score with the bunnet. I don't think either acted out of a deep rooted hatred or bias against Celtic, just as I think Sunday's referee made an awful error but not because he wanted Celtic to lose the game. Do you think I have a point or do you think they were all out to get us?

22 Apr 2015 20:46:12
I think most bad decisions are down to bad referees but I do think there have been dubious decisions by angry or biased refs at times especially years ago before tv could scrutinise their calls. I think the ed once posted a video about dodgy decisions against celtic and you saw the ref give the rangers captain a Masonic handshake but it was probably an honest ref lol

22 Apr 2015 22:37:44
Just reading the posts properly now, are we saying Clubs should not complain & 'blatant' mistakes are ok?

Is there any point in an official then if they are beyond accountability?

23 Apr 2015 08:49:34
Jim there's no doubt in the past that's the way things were. One of the guys I work with is a bluenose and went to a sportsmans dinner where Andy Goram was speaking. He spoke about the ref coming into the Rangers dressing room, calling Walter Smith "gaffer" etc. It's happened throughout the years no doubt but I think, in the here and now, the referees aren't anti-Celtic. And if they were, they'd get weeded out quickly.

21 Apr 2015 23:18:34
Whats the situation with europa place winners of scottish cup get? Say Falkirk win cup, will they get to compete? Reason I ask is was there not a ridicolus rule implemented a few seasons ago, that only SPL teams could compete? If this is the case who will get the place?

22 Apr 2015 00:10:07
I wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be in Scotland nominated the Govan mob .