Celtic Banter Archive October 10 2014

10 Oct 2014 19:22:15
When Neil Lennon left Celtic he never had a job to go to, so he obviously couldn't work with the board.
Roy Keane turned Celtic down, because he didn't like what he was offered.
These two have affection for the club, yet are strong characters who stood up to the board.
Ronny is obviously happy to toe the line, and I wonder if this is the problem some of the players have with him.
If they see him as weak willed or a yes man, then it will be difficult for him to introduce his new methods,
Players at clubs like ours think they are here because they are the best, sò it will take a really strong character to have an influence on them.
Because he is young and inexperienced, modern footballers look at him and say to themselves "Show us your medals".

Don't be to sure R Keane loves Celtic . Keane loves himself and that is why he has two auto Biologies written by him by the time he is 43 .
If Ronnie has a problem getting his message across its possible that he has spoken too much to the media and has publicly faulted his players .

10 Oct 2014 23:23:43
100 percent agree Chris, talks to much and doesn't deliver, if has problems concerning players fitness Keep it in house, I honestly think he doesn't no how to handle the media, its not like he had this kind of exposure in mighty norway

{Ed007's Note - I can't believe I'm sitting here reading sh1te like this!}

11 Oct 2014 00:00:46
Ed, opinions ar like arse wholes, everybody has 1, doesn't mean we have to agree or have a dig.

{Ed007's Note - It's the same thing over and over again, Arsene Wenger said earlier in the season that his players needed to work on their fitness and sharpness because some of them had hardly had a break, is getting it brought up in EVERY single thing Arsenal fans talk about?
Some people have spent longer discussing the player's diet and fitness than RD did, probably even with people at the club. Is that all he talks about in every interview? Maybe you should look at as he is explaining to supporters what he's doing, keeping us in the loop and informed what's going on and what his plans are? It's getting boring seeing people going over the same sh1te again and again.
As for the nonsense about not being able to deal with the press, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, would you rather he sat and said it wasn't his or the players fault, it was the refs and he felt it was personal? Is that a constructive way to deal with the press.
Have you played any sports? I used to play football and box and even when I was 14/15 I had a diet to follow (including a half pint of Guinness every second night to help bulk me up), golfers have diets to follow, all athletes do, why are our players so different?
What's the big deal that the CFC manager wants our players to look after their bodies better and be better athletes? It's been scientifically and practically proven to work so you tell me one thing wrong, one fault, with wanting that?
I have mentioned before on here over the years that we should have the fastest, fittest most hardworking team in the country, we have the facilities, people and finances to ensure it so why haven't we been doing it for years? All the other big clubs do it, or are we too small a club to bother about that?
If we keep our players in peak physical condition for as long as possible think how easier it will be to ready for CL qualifiers in July.
As I said earlier, only in Scotland can someone be chastised for trying to improve things. Most fans at other clubs would welcome seeing changes that will improve the team, you won't see players blowing out their ar$es after 70 mins and us losing late goals through fatigue.
Do you think Man City would have loaned us one of their hottest prospects (he'll probably be here next season as well) if they didn't think he would be getting looked after, given the best advice and training available to help his progress? People behind the scenes at Man City, including Viera, can't speak highly enough of RD after seeing him working first hand when he spent time there. Do you think Man City players don't follow a strict diet catered to each individual player and decided by qualified people. I'm not an expert on nutrition and diet but if it's good enough for clubs like Barca, Madrid, Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern, Juventus, the Milan clubs, Ajax, Liverpool it's sure as hell good enough for Celtic.
Even if RD is sacked I'll make a £100 charity bet that the next manager keeps the diet and nutrition program in place with his own slight adjustments, deal?
Why do players drink energy drinks during games and eat bananas or yoghurt at half-time instead of Irn-Bru and a burger?}

11 Oct 2014 01:49:02
Ed, your points bout diet and fitness ar valid,iam in my final year of a applied Medical sciences degree, I no how important the body is to a sportsman/woman, ronny brought this to the fore by going to the media bout players fitness,which I think was wrong.he doesn't always have to let us no everything till he gets things working correctly, no need for a tracking devices on him as u put it.from wot I've read he's a great coach,may be that's y lawell brought him in, but iam not convinced he was a mangerial target until we couldn't find Any1 el se. PS, I played Football and boxed to in my younger years, pps, Were going to have to disagree on the media point, ill stop annoying u now,need some sleep as iam heading to dublin soon to watch the dreamteam ( mon/rk). COYBIG.😛

{Ed007's Note - Have a great time, mate. Since Keane got involved with Eire I've decided to try and get back into international football, I've already managed to wangle the promise of a couple of tickets in the Irish end at CP in November.}

What's your connection with RK Ed if you don't mind me asking? It's a lil strange somebody might try to follow International football more because of one assistant manager. Is it just a favourite player thing?

{Ed007's Note - International football bores me to tears, I've rarely watched any the matches for years but with MON and RK in charge of Eire I'll tune in and see how they are getting on. I found it a chore watching the World Cup even if I was hoping Germany won it, I usually support Argentina in WCs but with Messi playing for them I just couldn't bring myself to cheer them on.}

You learn something new every day . Keane has got himself involved in Eire .
Keane is a man of double standards . He lost the plot about prepariations in Siapan .
Now he has his press release 48 hours before first home European Championshp Game . In his book he has sneered at a number of the Irish players. Loyal man!

{Ed007's Note - You obviously don't have a clue about what happened in Siapan or the circumstances over the years leading up to it. The FAI were a shower of freeloading parasites out to look after themselves before the team, there were players in that squad who were spineless cowards, they had plenty to say when McCarthy wasn't there then bottled it to speak out and back their captian, who else was expected to bring their problems up, it's the captains job and don't get me started on McCarthy's managerial ability. Even the World Cup USA94 was a shambles behind the scenes with unprofessionalism not even seen with the poorer African teams! It had been going on for years, FAI officials and their families travelling business class and the players sitting with supporters and holiday goers, kit and equipment not arriving at hotels (the containers still hadn't arrived 2 days after the players had in Siapan). It's where Keane came up with the 'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail' mantra. Have a read at this Keane interview.
Oh and publishers decide when a book is released, it's all carefully planned for maximum exposure and Keane would have received permission from MON to do publicity work as long as it didn't interfere with the players preparation.}

Cheers Ed, makes sense. Can't say I'm not more interested in Scotland now WGS is in charge.

{Ed007's Note - I'd probably watch a Scotland game on TV now but I wouldn't go out my way to do it.}

Ed, the link to the Keane interview was really interesting as I had not seen it before. One thing stuck out though was his admiration and respect for SAF. changed days, eh?

12 Oct 2014 13:01:10
Ed think you are missing the point? Everyone agrees about the duet and the fitness side of what RD is doing. It's the football side that's crap. I don't care how fit they are if they can't play to his system then fitness means nothing. Go get Andy Murry and Hussaon Bolt to play. Won't make any difference. He needs to get them playing football. We didn't hire a diet and fitness coach, we hired a team manager, or I might have got that wrong!

{Ed007's Note - Read through the posts, it's fairly obvious not everyone agrees or they wouldn't keep bitching about it. No matter what they're saying it gets brought up and every mistake is because he mentioned he wanted players to work on fitness. I'm not missing any point, it's the people girning like a PMTd woman that are missing the point. Andy Murray and Usain Bolt aren't football players, get Kris Commons to train with Usain Bolt Andy Murray then tell me Commons is as fit or as hard working as other professional athletes.}

12 Oct 2014 14:18:49
Ed no one is arguing about getting Chris Commons fitter or anybody fitter, but fitness is only part of it. I want them all super fit but they were all fit enough to win the league by 29 points last season. They may be fitter now, stokes says he has she'd 4 kilos but I have never seen him play so badly. It's not losing weight or becoming fitter that is making him poor, it's RD. It's the same with Commons, Johanson, Izzie, to name just a few. Why are they all playing more poorly than last season? It can only be the style if play and tactics and that is RD. So let's stop about fitness and duet, we all get it. Let's look at the performances, that is what we need to sort out or RD is going to be gone before Commons gets to under 200 lbs.lol

{Ed007's Note - So you didn't read through any posts as there's plenty of people on here who don't 'get it'.}

10 Oct 2014 13:16:18
It seem some would begrudge ex players an opinion.
Most post here because they have an opinion, what's the difference.
BBJ and Sutton are calling it as they see it, which doesn't favour the "norwgian maestro " atm.
A spade is a spade.

{Ed007's Note - Do you extend the same courtesy to Andy Walker, Craig Burley and Davie Provan? Andy Walker was very vocal that the way NL conducted himself was 'wholly unacceptable for a Celtic manager'. Isn't Roy Keane calling it as he sees it in his new book? He took one look at Hartson after the Clyde match and thought to himself 'Welcome to Hell'.
Are you another one who thinks it's ok for ex-players to attack the club as long as it suits your way of thinking?}

TTTS you would be first to critise hartson and co if they were slating lennon!

End of the day no matter who is in charge of club, they should not be disrespected by any former player/aquintance of club.

Convientley he has never slated the real problem at club- Dermott Desmond and Peter Lawwell. Obviously doesn't want to close any doors on a possible future role at club.

Too many ex-players think that because they have been involved in the game that they are suddenly experts and journalists on all matters concerning the game.

NL has been criticised on numerous occasions not always deserving it other times deserving every bit of it .
Have you ever posted without mentioning NL DN, your obsession will push you over the edge .

10 Oct 2014 18:53:13
I'm a fan of Roy Keane and am at present enjoying the snipits released, Andy Walker, George Burnley, Davey Provan horrible people but entitled to their 5 cents worth surely? .

Sutton and Hartson would in my opinion, not everyone has to agree with me, have the clubs interest at heart whilst the above prefer trying to degrade the club .

{Ed007's Note - So lets get this straight:

Andy Walker says: 'Whether Euan Norris deems the ball to have struck Joe Ledley's hand deliberately or Victor Wanyama's, it is an extraordinary interpretation of the guidelines. It was not a penalty kick, in my view, but that is no example at all to set from a Celtic manager - running onto the pitch at the end of a game and intimidating the referee the way that he did. I think that is wholly unacceptable."

And that's him trying to degrade the club and is labelled a horrible person?

Hartson says: 'I listened to what he said after losing to Hamilton Accies at the weekend and thought to myself ‘you don’t have a clue.’ It’s like he doesn’t have the first idea of what being the Celtic manager is all about. Right now Ronny Deila is a laughing stock. Except there aren't many Celtic fans smiling - it’s the rest of the world.'

And that's him showing he has the club's best interest at heart?

Please explain the difference, because all I can see is two ex-players slagging off a CFC manager.}

Same could be said with your hatred for Delia.

Suggest you have another read at my post, never slated lennon once

Have no probs with, R Keane Ed, one of the all time greats .Enjoy his essentricness .Think no less of BBJ or GS because of what RK has said or written .
The other shower thou, GB, AW and DP are more vindictive towards the club, always looking for a way to put the boot in.
I don't think that's JH or CS intentions, maybe I'm wrong but my opinion all the same .

{Ed007's Note - Any ex-player working for the media in Scotland are as bad as each other, they talk complete sh1ite to appease themselves to the majority readers/listeners, who are mostly non-CFC fans. Do you know that John Hartson played a big part in us appointing Tony Mowbray? He publicly backed him and spoke to Peter Lawwell about him to give PL the inside track after playing under Mowbray at WBA. He tends to keep that pretty quiet when commenting on CFC managers these days though.}

Sorry there Ed 2 posts similar, though the first 1 didn't go through .
I hear what you're saying about Hartson and Morbray .Never knew it .But does it alter from the fact that Delia seems to be in the same kind of bracket as Morbray as far as managing Celtic goes and what Hartson has said has a few home truths about it .
As for the allegation that I hate Delia, what a totally absurd thing to say . I don't know the man .From what I have seen and heard comes across as someone who is genuine and likeable, but based on what I've seen to date there is nothing to suggest he should manage Celtic .

Fair enough TTTS. In no way was I slating lennon though. Was just saying I think you would have a different opinion if lennon was in delias shoes.

The whole situation caused by hartson should never of happened to any manager in charge of celtic. Hartson was a great player for us, scored some crucial goals but if he keeps going the way he is heading, he is in danger of becoming a despised figure amongst fans.

Why should N Lennon figure so much in discussions about Deila .

{Ed007's Note - It's a comparison between our last manager and our current one, who else can we compare RD to? AF-Moyes-LVG... Slur Watty-The Slug... It's a natural comparison that is used throughout football.}