30 Nov 2016 14:28:26
Guys I'm going to eat a bit of humble pie today and admit I was wrong! I said a while back that I dint think Tom rogic was that good never doubted his skill it was more his pace and fitness. But I was wrong this season he has gone from strength to strength like a few others under Rodgers. He has become a key figure in our lineup and I'm happy to be proved wrong. There's a great buzz about everything to do with celtic just now and this has been the most enjoyable season for me since the Martin oneill days. Hail hail.
{Ed007's Note - If we can just get Rogic fit enougø to consistently last 90 mins wµ'd have another top player on our hands. In a weird way I think²it suits Rodgers game plan as h§ does like to mix things up duryng games so changing your No.10 is an easy way of doing that bud I'd imagine he would still prefer not to have it forced on him.}
30 Nov 2016 15:00:51
Rogic has a fantastic first touch and very quick feet. If he had pace and a 90 minute engine he'd be somewhere else. Don't think there is another player in the team (or in Scotland) who could have scored that goal at Pittodrie and you didn't have to wonder who'd scored the sublime first on Sunday either ðŸ€.
30 Nov 2016 15:08:22
I like Rogic don't get me wrong but this fitness thing confuses me. I just can't understand any modern day footballer that's not fit enough with all the help they get and sports science etc, not to mention the excellent pay they get and they are not fit enough for the job required.
Not so long ago Commons was getting vilified on here for exactly that, yet he could last 90 mins and score 30 in 1 season.
So what's the difference how come its ok for Rogic but not for Commons.
I said before that Rogic is a good player but he will never ever score 30 in a season.
{Ed007's Note - That's one season, do you think Rogic will ever have a season like Commons in 2011/12 - his first full season here - when he scored ONE goal in 33 matches, spat his dummy out and fell out with the manager before getting himself deliberately sent off against Hearts?
Rogic is a young player coming back from a series of horrendous injuries to his ankle and groin, he's a better technical player than Commons, he is more of a team player than Commons, plus he's 9/10 years younger than Commons. If Commons put in a shift like Rogic he'd be lucky to last 30 mins never mind an hour.
Why has every manager that Commons has played with has had issues with him? Rodgers told Commons in his first meeting with him that he wasn't in his plans and that was before he had even seen him in training. Rodgers wan't his players to work hard for the team, press the opposition when we don't have the ball and not someone who stands around waiting to get the ball and then just turns and shoots regardless of where he is positioned on the park, the reason Commons could last 90 mins is simply because he didn't do much running during games.
Neil Lennon has spoken about how he had to change tactics and the way the team played to accommodate Commons and other manager's have refused to do it, would you like to see Celtic change their high pressing expansive game to accommodate a 33 year old Kris Commons to stand around the 18 yard line waiting on the ball?
Rogic v Commons is nothing to do with fitness, it's about ability and what they bring to the side and Rogic is head and shoulders above Commons in them, and obviously Brendan Rodgers agrees.}
30 Nov 2016 16:07:57
Rogics dribbling is outstanding and on his day his shooting is also in that category. Plays for the badge aswell which is always a bonus, team player. Great player that came through the Nike academy! He was a semi pro player before central coast mariners, and the only one (I think) that has made! it's easy to say he wasn't brought up on strict fitness regiments like all these young players nowadays from the age of 10! The boy will eventually play 90 mins a game. Just needs time.
30 Nov 2016 16:29:08
Ed I get it you don't like Commons and I have no problem with that. But the same issue is still there, a claimed fitness problem. Both have there doubters in that department.
As I said its ok for 1 but not the other.
I not talking about managers issues etc I talking about us fans accepting it as ok.
{Ed007's Note - Rogic is simply fitter than Commons, even playing for 60 mins. Fans are accepting it because Rogic is a young player who is coming back from injuries and he is being nursed back to full fitness, the fans know Rogic's fitness will improve over time.
Rogic is currently at a level just now where sometimes he can last 90 mins and sometimes he can't so why risk pushing him? Other players are allowed to be gradually brought back from injury, why shouldn't Rogic be allowed the same?
Unlike Commons Rogic's problems stem from the long term injuries he's had, not being an overweight lazy player.}
30 Nov 2016 16:49:36
Rogic was actually performing well last season and put in some fine displays and scored some important goals that were outstanding strikes.
30 Nov 2016 18:18:30
Ok mate let's hope he gets fit because he is a talent.
I just don't want to be having this conversation Ed at end of the season barring injuries ofcourse.
{Ed007's Note - Don't worry, Commons will be a long and distant memory by the end of the season.}
30 Nov 2016 18:30:00
To be fair Kerzo1888 I haven't been very impressed by Rogic in the European games this season. He tends to take one touch too many or just want that extra couple of seconds on the ball and gets closed down. However he's been excellent domestically and if he can get fitter it'll be bad news for the other teams.
30 Nov 2016 19:14:42
I've no idea what went on behind the scenes with commons and I'm not saying that he should be in the team now, but I know for a good while he seemed to be the only player who brought a bit of quality to a lot of games.
You said earlier ED that previous managers changed the way the team played to accommodate Commons, but to me that just shows how poor the other players were performing. Commons wouldn't get into this team at the moment because of the way that the players are doing their jobs, back then the rest of the team obviously weren't doing their jobs properly, otherwise Commons wouldn't have got a look in.
As I said before, I haven't a clue what has gone on behind the scenes with Commons, but I think that if 10 players are so ineffective that a manager changes the style of play to accommodate him the criticism should be directed at the 10 players rather than Commons, who at least could get you off your seat from time to time.
{Ed007's Note - I said previous manager Neil Lennon, not managers, changed his style/tactics to accommodate Commons.
So because Commons couldn't do the job the manager wanted, he changed his tactics to suit having him in the team and that's the other player's fault? I say it's the manager's fault. Perhaps we wouldn't have needed to wait so long for our 100th trophy if NL stuck to his guns and played his own way and if Commons didn't fit in who cares, we might have won more trophies, we certainly wouldn't have won any less.
Most supporters turn on players that treat the Club like shit, I guess Commons' WAG's party political broadcasts worked better than expected.}
30 Nov 2016 22:43:33
Ed you're absolutely wrong on one count here; Commons is already a distant memory. I was given dogs abuse on here for calling Commons a rat. He still is, and this ship would be better of without him. And that's just his character. I don't need to go into him as a player due to the aforementioned reasons.
{Ed007's Note - At least we got value for money out his last contract. Last December when asked about scoring 100 goals for Celtic after his 90th against Fenerbahce he said:
'To get the 100 goals for Celtic, I need to stay fit. Firstly, I need to get back in the team and show the boss I’m ready and willing to play anywhere.'
Nearly a year later, in 15 more matches (so he did get back in the team) he's added ONE more goal to his tally so can we assume he didn't stay fit or he wasn't willing to play anywhere? If it didn't suit Kris he wasn't interested.
I wouldn't call him a rat but I'll be glad to see the back of him and I'm delighted he never reached the 100 goal mark for us.
He also tipped Scott Allan to be his successor at Celtic (giggle)
The fact that negative Celtic stories in the press are on a downturn has no connection to the Commons situation.}
30 Nov 2016 23:35:38
Don't get the negative comments re Commons. He's arguably, along with Brown, been our best player in the last 10 years given length of service and contribution the the club. Not saying he should be playing just now, just think he deserves a lot more credit given he has scored in cup finals, old firm games and in europe. 91 goals for someone who isn't a striker is an outstanding return. He'll leave with my best wishes.
30 Nov 2016 23:51:07
Rogic is substituted between 60 mins and 75 because it suits him and Celtic . It's not solely a matter of him lasting 90 mins but the fact he has had so many injuries in earlier years that medics reckon he is better not playing the full 90 mins until his body is better prepared for 90 mins game .
Celtic are quite happy to substitute him as it allows Brendan Rodgers opportunities to alter his attacking moves.
30 Nov 2016 22:52:30
Can I just add all the guys from the team were flying down to lgw on Sunday night ( brown, Forrest, Sinclair, ect ) and that commons was such an arrogant, cheeky person to the staff he actually made one of the wee lassies boarding burst into tears, the only reason the captain let him fly was because he apologised to her, disgraceful behaviour unbecoming of someone on our clubs pay role .
01 Dec 2016 10:37:04
Fabadabadoo, I've heard a few little bits and bobs like that. He doesn't save it for outside the club either from things I've heard. We're doing just fine without him, which quite a few people on here forecasted, so not paying him to have no use would be great. Bar the new signings this season and Broony, I'd imagine he's a top earner. I'll thank him for the good things he has done, and do wish him well. But we'd be better off without him.
01 Dec 2016 18:13:49
Rather than get games to give him an opportunity to add the 10 goals or whatever to get his 100. I think he has used the credit of scoring 90 goals to prevent him from been sacked by Celtic . His unforgivable public rant at his Manager and other rows in front of players plus his unacceptable behaviour on public transport, means to me he must go and go soon
Ed has said he has been disruptive to some extent wherever he has gone .
We know that to be true at Celtic
03 Dec 2016 00:26:37
Lm67 commons has had 1 good season for us, hardly a major contribution that n even then he missed more than he scored n as Ed has pointed out over n over he did nothing for the team, only himself.
As for best along with brown in the last 10 years? u seriously must be at the wind up mate, way better players have played for us n contributed more. Nakamura is 10 times the player commons is n was, n there r other examples, if your going to come out with things at least make sure they're true.
That was as funny as another poster saying him n Forrest r proper Celtic men haha tb, wee Bertie, johnny doyle, Caesar, Jinky, tommy Boyd, Paul mcstay, Aitken, hay etc etc etc.