04 Nov 2016 13:35:19
One for discussion guy's. Ashamed to admit reading the daily rangers report on the FAI now getting a charge on the easter rising remmeberence top. Relating it to the poppy situation. As much as i feel that the poppy should be allowed on the strips if teams wish to, seems as though the smsm is hell bent on causing a sectarian and bigot devide and should be held accountable. The editors should be charged under the sectarian act and provoking troubles. Would teach them a lesson of publishing their p**h. what's your thoughts?
04 Nov 2016 14:37:29
They're only reporting facts and comparing the 2 things because they're incredibly similar. I don't really see how they can be accused of provoking anything tbh.
04 Nov 2016 14:39:04
The Ireland one should not have been allowed either and they will rightly be charged by FIFA if they have broken the rules.
04 Nov 2016 15:05:38
I can understand your points to be honest. But felt that the whole things is a shambles from FIFA and the record are introducing things into the argument to cause more disputes.
04 Nov 2016 15:29:48
For me the rule is either political emblems and statements are either acceptable or they're not. If the poppy is unacceptable then then the Easter Rising memorial shirt is unacceptable. Secondly, if the flying of flags in support of occupied territories is unacceptable causing Celtic to be fined then why haven't the forces of darkness and evil been held to account for having photographs of their team and manager taken with the Shankhill Defenders and for ripping the arse out of the poppy every Remembrance Day? Behind the seeming respectability of big gun salutes on the park at Ibrox last week and massive poppy display and paratroopers absailing from the main stand on previous occasions we and the Scottish media know the feckn truth. It's nothing to do with them remembering it's about them reminding us they are the people and for us to know our place. If the poppy was to support and remember the fallen heroes of WW1 and WW2 I'd wear one every day. But in support and remebrance of 100s of 1000s from Derry to Baghdad I'd respectfully wish to decline.
04 Nov 2016 15:58:09
I don't know why the English and Scottish FA'S don't just accept the rules.
Every country in the world has to abide by the same rules, so it's not as if the British FA'S are being picked on. I would imagine just about every country in the world has lost people fighting in wars, they all seem to get on with it without any fuss, why do we have to be different from everyone else.
There are no end of ways that people can remember soldiers who were killed in the war, there will be services all over the place on remembrance Sunday, that's where these things should be held.
I think it's a British trait that they hate foreigners making the rules. When Britain had it's empire, it was quite happy to lay down the law to everyone else, now as Brexit has shown, a lot of people can't accept being equal to everyone else, they want to set the rules themselves, it seems quite an arrogant attitude to me.
04 Nov 2016 16:56:44
I for one don't see a massive political statement behind a poppy its a symbolic charity foundation. If people have a problem with the british army that's understandable throught the good its causes there have been many tragedies some unforgivable. But its generally a charity foundation behind the poppy that people are going to moan about. Its the same with the FAI having memorial on their strip. All there showing is pride in their countires history. I don't see what the big deal in that is. It will offend some people but looking at a bigger picture its celebrating their history and pride in their free country. Not a big fat middle finger to their opposition.
I think FIFA'S just acting like money seeking ar**s. Waiting to pounce with a fine. I made a point earlier and as much as the smsm where stating facts feel as though they do it to rile up a minority (from the zombies end) . Asking "why its taken so long for FAI to be warned yet with the poppy it was instant. " If that makes more sense to people from the point i was trying to make.
{Ed007's Note - It's hardly a money making racket, any fine to Ireland will be negligible but any punishment to Scotland and England might be more severe because they are delibrately disobeying FIFA.
One things for sure, now that FIFA have started disciplinary procedures against the FAI they can't back down and allow the poppy to be shown.
FIFA represents 211 different countries and all of those countries feelings need to be taken into consideration, plus where does it stop? Let's face it, the people who are retrospectively offended by the FAI strip are the same people demanding they allow the poppy to be shown, so who makes the decision of what is and isn't acceptable? Does every other countries strip need to be OK'd by the English and Scottish FA so that it doesn't offend them?
That's why it's covered by the rules and for once FIFA have got this spot on. Hopefully this will kick-off FIFA and UEFA bringing in a blanket ban on such things including club jerseys and all this nonsense every year can be binned once and for all.}
04 Nov 2016 17:42:01
JFP1888 if you want to wear one just for that reason you can.
04 Nov 2016 18:18:30
@4leafclover - Argentina fined £20000 a couple of years ago for their players holding up a banner laying claim to the Falkland Islands. Precedent has therefore already been set.
{Ed007's Note - And without getting into the politics of it all we're back at who decides what's allowed and in what country? FIFA aren't looking at this for what the gesture stands for or that's right and that's wrong, it's about keeping it all about the football and not having the game hijacked by anything controversial.}
04 Nov 2016 19:33:37
The poppy is not political as it is to remember those who paid the ultimate price. The poppy is used by all sides of conflict. When I lived in Egypt I attended ceremonies at the German, Italian and the British and Commonwealth memorials in El Alamein. Poppy wreaths were laid by all country's ambassadors at all sites which included Muslim, Jewish, Hindhu sections. So If all those can accept it fir what it is, why can't FIFA? Many of those member countries were happy enough to accept help from those who paid that price for THEM. The poppy us not political, racist, religious sexist or anti any other FIFA regulation.
Imo, the wearing of it should be a personal choice by the players but the associations should back them if they so choose to wear one.
{Ed007's Note - That's just your opinion though and others have a very different one, including FIFA and it's their opinion that matters.}
04 Nov 2016 20:15:39
Agreed Ed and I also respect those against the poppy and I certainly understand the perspective of many Celtic supporters. My understanding is that it was originally for a specific conflict and not representative of armies but those who fell on all sides) but has been overtaken and used extensively fir all wars. As I said, it should be a player choice (some have relatives who fell) . I think the 'Forget Me Not' flower is more appropriate as many non-military personnel paid the price but it is what it is.
One thing I will say about this site is the open discussion, agreement and criticism without being nasty.
{Ed007's Note - There's nothing wrong with discussing something a bit sensitive as long as it's kept civil and when it comes to things like this I think all of us can at least respect other's points of view.}
04 Nov 2016 21:12:27
If people want to wear it fair enough by me . I hate it because IMO some people from the N of I use it as a political statement .
I think more people seem to think the wearing of the poppy is the most significant part of the commemoration . However I feel the contribution to the Charity should be the most important thing . However we hear people boasting about taking their poppy ou of a box and dusting it down.
05 Nov 2016 08:58:29
Spot on Old Bhoy (Gawd that sound awrfully posh when you read that wee bit back)
Funny that the msm have never came out demanding that Bonfire Night should be banned as its origins are steeped in anti-catholic hatred. It used to be an effigy of the Pope that was burned before it became the traditional Guy we have today (They still do the Pope thing in Sussex.
Anyway, that's another story and def. not football related.