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01 Jul 2023 11:03:05
Is the media not embarrassed by the quality of their journalism. Jota has signed an agreement with the Saudi mob.

Is tapping up players not illegal or frowned upon. So realistically the players agent has asked a question if Jota liked that idea of that contract and he said yes. You can offer him £10 million all they want but it's the talks with Celtic that enables the move. With the Saudi premature talks I'd add on another £5million to the negotiations and let them know exactly why.

Summary no agreement has been signed until Celtic accept a fee.

4leafclover

1.) 01 Jul 2023 11:49:01
Ask for 30m. simples.


2.) 01 Jul 2023 12:04:53
I wouldn't even give them the privilege of asking it's £30m a minimum.


3.) 01 Jul 2023 12:06:45
I just seen on twitter that the transfer fee for Jota could be as much as £36m. Crazy figure I know but that's the latest rumour I've just read.


4.) 01 Jul 2023 12:26:51
I think £30m is a minimum if players from Portugal, Holland, France, English championship, Ukrainian league can go for a fortune. Then a young Portuguese player, whom has champions league experience played confidently against the likes of Madrid. Has regular first team football for 2 years and is one of our best. We should be demanding a higher fee in the crazy football market. KT, Van Dijk, wanyama, foster has proven we can have top quality players.


 

 

26 Jun 2021 11:35:07
I know it's very much early on in the crazy transfer season but looking at two 19 year old centrebacks 1) vušković Croatian and 2) Hincapié. I suspect they are both on a list rather than being approached at the moment. But if they're decent around first team quality it'd a good start.

Jullian back, Welsh, and two of these young guys (maybe even have ajer through the start of the qualifiers) , wouldn't be a bad start to building the defence.

Also apparently there was Rosier 24 year old French right back and hickey being looked at. I'd say that was a good start to working on our defence. Just need to get players in and deals over the line.

Once the defence is sorted need to start looking at that attacking line. I'd like dembele offered at least another year and an option to extend if he gets at least half this season game time. Would be good to see a young energetic team as opposed to what was on display last season.

Hopefully next week or 2 we will see transfers coming in.

4leafclover

1.) 26 Jun 2021 12:33:15
Under the deposed messiah, we got humiliated in Europe because couldn't put a defence together thst could cope out with the league here. Every defensive signing he made was an absolute dud. If we bring in guys who can actually play there, and jump, that might change. The gap was shown when we shelled the sevco pub team 5 0 then met Barcelona who tore us a new one over there. We need to buy defenders who can defend and attack. We don't have a single one at the club and need to spend money there or we are in trouble.


2.) 26 Jun 2021 14:10:36
Agree that solid defenders are a must and IMO we need 5 of them - GK/ CB x2/ RB/ LB.


3.) 26 Jun 2021 14:17:38
If he doesn't address that he's giving himself an impossible task. Aoart from Julien, we don't have a single defender who should be first pick in any defence that will improve us. Back up at best. Even then, a risk.


4.) 26 Jun 2021 15:00:32
I think we need at least 2 decent centrebacks. Ideally younger is better. But you do need a wiser head to lead them at the back. Definitely need a decent right back and maybe a youth player coming through. We also need a step or two up from Taylor as left back. Taylor is capable of playing in the league but not as our regular. Once we get the back line in shape I think it's time to tackle the attacking side of our game.


5.) 27 Jun 2021 15:48:32
Our first 2 signings going into these qualifiers have got to be a centre back and a new right back.
I know buying younger players then developing and selling is our model and I'm not against it but right now at this stage is that what we need, young guys who are still teenagers who probably can't speak the language and from a different culture are expected to walk straight in and make a difference?

A perfect example of this is when we signed van dijk. Think he was 22 and was thrown straight in against shakhtar karagandy away and we lost 2-0 and he was dropped for the 2nd leg which we just won, I think it would be unwise to go down that road at these early stages and expect them to hit the ground running.

I'm not saying we shouldn't go for them I just think we should be looking closer to home at guys with at least some level of experience and preferably euro experience, that's the type of players we need right now if we want to have a chance of making a go at getting through these qualifiers.


6.) 27 Jun 2021 19:16:54
Taylor is one of the worst full backs I've ever seen absolute balls.


 

 

31 Dec 2017 14:08:01
Wanted to get back to transfer activity as the mad month approaches. Is there any transfers we know are likely coming our way. I have said I'd of liked a decent centre back, even better right back and a left winger to challenge or even out do Sinclair on the opposite wing. Saying that we've got one centre back coming in (unsure of the quality and Europa league cup tied) and news on a right back? How about musonda?

4leafclover

1.) 31 Dec 2017 15:21:36
Don’t want Musonda if it’s a loan

Sign permanently or stay a prospect in the EPL reserves.


2.) 31 Dec 2017 19:37:14
Hate loans unless u can buy.


3.) 31 Dec 2017 21:19:59
I'd take a player on loan for 18 months if it's to benefit our chances in Europe. It's not always about making money on player but progressing as a team at a competitive level.


4.) 01 Jan 2018 01:47:54
A right back? Bring back adam matthews. Recently watching the team at throw ins has been brutal.


5.) 01 Jan 2018 10:22:36
PMCF I liked Matthews but I'm sure he scrutinized the club when he left. I think we could do better.


6.) 03 Jan 2018 03:24:57
We need to be more dangerous from set plays, but I don't think Adam mathews is the answer.


7.) 03 Jan 2018 23:16:12
If we hadn't played 10 games more than any other team in SPL . We would have 30 full days to train and practice set pieces . I am sure that would make us more dangerous from them.


 

 

 

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01 Feb 2024 17:06:50
I'm going to say it. Sound like a panty wetter, straight away, and say this is arguably one of our worst transfer windows in many years.

We needed at least 2 of the 4 before the summer window (goalkeeper, left back, centre back and striker) we got another winger. We had (Abada, Palma, Forrest, Maeda, MJ, Tilio, Vata) plenty a winger wasn't the priority.

With injuries and lack of quality signing, I don't see anyone being brought in to add to the first 11. I honestly think we are going to struggle with the squad shrinking and injuries to get this league over the line. I hope I'm wrong but this is so frustrating to watch as a supporter.

What's you guys thoughts on this?

4leafclover

1.) 01 Feb 2024 17:30:51
With no further injuries are squad is good enough to win the league. We just need the energy and skill that we played in the month of December to be adapted for the remaining games.


2.) 01 Feb 2024 17:32:01
Having spoken to several supporters recently, the mood is more defiant then confident regarding our seasons goals.
There's no doubt the summer 'windows' was questionable to say the least, but to follow it up with this winter washout is incredibly risky and raises a lot of questions and doubts about the people who run our club and apparently cannot see any problem or danger.
Time will tell, but there's no doubt we hoped to be in a much stronger position - squad-wise and better equipped on the pitch.


3.) 01 Feb 2024 17:33:58
We also have Yang, who is a winger.


4.) 01 Feb 2024 17:35:12
The entire board need escorted off the premises. Even if they’re not directly responsible, they are overseeing this utter bollocks and watching us descend into farce.


5.) 01 Feb 2024 17:36:10
It's a disgrace we have been laughed at once again by the board.


6.) 01 Feb 2024 21:32:35
We needed a good winger. I think you’ve missed that aspect. The rest are effin woeful. cannot dribble, cannot cross, it might be me, but wingers can do those things. Our current gaggle can’t, I’m just hoping Khun can…, ……. I’ve just invented a new dance.


7.) 01 Feb 2024 21:48:51
I forgot Yang making the need for a winger even more irrelevant. The problem belbhoy, we have injuries and we’re heading to the crunch side of the season with all to play for. I was expecting us to strengthen for both league and to settle at least 2 first team players for CL. It’s lazy from recruitment, management and the board. I think it’ll be a close end to the season with the funds we have we should of built a gap.


 

 

25 Jan 2024 07:53:06
So. Still no further transfers. If MO'R goes (which I don't think he will) I'd be wanting 30 million. It's a January market he's our best player this season. Young danish international, long term contract with champions League experience. Anything less they can wait till the summer.

But if he does go. I'd hope we have 3-4 targets around the £10 million quality mark each lined up ( Jota, Foster, CCV, Edouard - the price we paid for this type of player) . If the board has any ambition, any respect for Rodgers the team and fans they'd go out spending the money we gained and get the league and a team that's readying for the CL next year. If not then I think it let's the fans know where we all stand.

4leafclover

1.) 25 Jan 2024 08:37:24
If the board feck up and let Sevco have £60 m it’s time they were reported to the stock exchange for business malpractice. They have a duty to operate in the best of all shareholders and not just at the top end. Still can’t work out if our board act out of incompetence or intent!


2.) 25 Jan 2024 09:09:45
The money will go straight into the bank account mate. Can't see us paying 10m for one player never mind a few. I'd be happy at the moment if we just raise the wage cap.


3.) 25 Jan 2024 14:05:27
Do we actually know what our wage cap is? Or are we speculating?
I would agree with Big bubsc, wage cap should be raised, in fact if there is really a wage cap, it should be reviewed upwards . Even during spell of not qualifying for Europe, wage cap should still be raised, although not necessarily used during this time, unless we have an opportunity to sign once in a lifetime signing like Larsson.


 

 

19 Jan 2024 11:39:52
Under 2 weeks to go. 1 signing. We were told we'd be looking for quality signings- ideally for the champions League and to help get the title in the bag.

Not a lot of of speculation or movement seen. Either we are working quietly in the background or we're doing nothing? Not an exiting transfer market so far.

4leafclover

1.) 19 Jan 2024 12:33:35
Agreed mate. The only positive is that our first couple of games back should be gimmes so late signings won't have too much of an impact.


2.) 19 Jan 2024 13:54:09
Seems like a lot of clubs are struggling with FFP this year. You’d expect Celtic to try and use this to our advantage by spending the money on decent players at a cheap price.


3.) 19 Jan 2024 14:05:44
4LC, Kev

If you’re holding your breath I’d come up for air incomprehensible as that may be.


4.) 19 Jan 2024 14:27:27
Can't help but notice that our previous manager has been very busy since the start of the January window and it makes you wonder if it boils down to personalities and proper planning between Board and Boss or is it all down to finances and profit margins?
Daniel Levy has never been known as a 'Scatter-Cash' Chairman, but he seems to be backing his manager all the way. Whereas we seem to have regressed to what seems a shackled and skinflint Lawell Dynasty?


5.) 19 Jan 2024 17:07:42
Celtic mad

I'm inclined to agree with you.

The two transfer windows BR has had (so far) this time around, pale in comparison to those enjoyed by Ange.

☘️ ? ☘️.


6.) 19 Jan 2024 17:35:07
I’m surprised Brendan could be ALLOWING history to repeat itself.
He was clearly frustrated how Celtic done our transfer business first time around and it resulted in him leaving.

Is Brendan being too weak?
Celtic Mad - I agree there’s no way Ange would be stuttering along.


7.) 19 Jan 2024 18:29:46
Buzz

As you know I’ve said before the window opened I was preparing to be disappointed.

We’re 2/ 3 through the window we’ve signed another winger who’s still a work in progress and reportedly sniffing about a K-league midfielder despite what’s at stake.

From our last 19 signings 16 are nowhere near the first team. Lagerbielke bought in summer up for sale in winter Kwon and Tilio on loan £6.5 million between them.

We’ve given the same people more money to go shop in the same markets expecting different results.

You couldn’t write this but I’m hanging fire with my judgement until the fat lady sings on the last day of January although my expectations and thoughts on the board and recruitment team have been well documented although the board and recruitment teams performance has been defended on here albeit by a deluded few who have refused to see past performance as a premise of what was to come.

Cue the board apologists.


8.) 19 Jan 2024 21:21:51
Is lagerbielke defintely up for sale or is he available for loan for game time? I can't see how we would spend that amount on a CB and try to sell so quickly, surely 6month on loan to get him valuable minutes.
Everyone can't play week in week out, some of these lads might end up decent look at scales, lad was a write off before he got a sniff.
MJ - had many a sniff but just not decisive enough, player there for sure.
Maeda - we have seen the best of him, his end product is woeful which is a shame because the lad is a top athlete however a race horse can't race every week!
Oh - the lad is enthusiastic and needs game time, he needs a loan playing week in week out in the SPL.
Abada - it's time to cash in on him, he's been great for us but I think he's peaked early and gained many suitors for it, we should sell while we can before he is found out.
Iwata - needs more games, definetly a player there.
McCarthy - basically earned 140k per appearance for us so far, 12 games, useless, loan out or release on a free hasn't worked out.
Turnbull - sell now, he isn't in the first 11 plans, Holm should get his game time.


9.) 19 Jan 2024 23:10:28
Once again totally agree JFP. I will say again if a respected striker is not brought in this window we may lose the league and possibly Rodgers again. Like many I simply don’t understand Rodgers coming back and not having a voice on transfers. Baffling. I hope I’m wrong.


10.) 20 Jan 2024 18:01:28
Spurs with their big. budget and the lure of playing in London have signed one player more than us . They signed Verner. Who was a bit of a joke figure the last time he was with a London club.


 

 

14 Dec 2023 10:12:17
The result we needed to get a change in mentality. I thought we defended relatively well, spells of naivety and a tad of luck at times.

I think the change of iwata changed our initial approach. McGregor I think looks a better player on a box to box or attacking midfield. He can play the holding role but offers so much more going forward.

Mikey is running out of time. Again he has all the attributes to be a top class winger, pace, skill, can pass, can cross can shoot, can go either wing. But his decision making is awful and tends to lead to more problems. He looks scared at times to make a decision early. If he was better with this we'd be getting a lot of chances. He must realise times running out.

I think we still need a keeper for next season, a left back of better quality, centre back of better quality (Scales did well -but he's not quality) . Midfield we have the players there. Wingers are difficult because abada, maeda, Palma are good enough (Yang, tilo.

4leafclover

1.) 14 Dec 2023 15:35:58
4 leaf clover . Most of us agree with needing a new goalkeeper or maybe 2 . A lB as long as he is tall and good in the air . I am not sure about cb as Scales has ranged from fairly good to very good . We haven’t seen enough of the Polish or Swedish cbs and I would expect CCV to be fitter and better next season . Midfield I am not sure, we have 3 super centre midfielders. I am not sure if we can rely on young players as back up . But buying a quality midfielder and dropping one may cause problems. I think we need a good winger who is also a good striker .

That would do us on the playing front and all we would need then are refs and VAR operators to go toe to toe, head to head with Sevco’ elite referees&VAR operators.


 

 

13 Dec 2023 12:32:23
It would be good to get our first win the Champions league in 10 years out the way tonight. But with Copenhagen getting through it's so disappointing to see how the Celtic model in Europe has failed. We chronically under fund the recruitment sector. Yes we do need to start offering wages at least up to the 50k for top players (realistic) . We had all that profit that's all the more reason to expand the budget and attract better players.

January will give us an insight to Brendan's and the boards approach for the following season. There is significantly more to play for this season with the winners getting the chance of extra games in the Champions league. With the gap in the league closing from rangers it's all to play for.

I also buy into the fact the green brigade being punished (rightly or wrongly) has had it's impact. The board disregard for everything but themselves and profit will come to a head. If the issues aren't sorted.

4leafclover

1.) 13 Dec 2023 13:04:53
Good post 4leafclover.
Celtic haven’t won a CL match for 6 years away from home and 10 years at home.


2.) 13 Dec 2023 14:19:58
Yes 4 leafclover . It was great. to see a club like our own in size Qualifying for the later stages of Champions League . Of course to do that Copenhagen had to take advantage of enormous slice of luck . And they really did, it should have been impossible for Copenhagen to better Man Utd, annual big spenders and a club with a reputation next to none . They surely did and took 4 pts out of 6 against a pathetic Utd side, this gave them confidence to go on and take 2nd place . Fair play to them, could we avail of one of the stronger clubs playing pathetic Football and continue to get enough points to come 2nd .
I don’t think so because in Champions League football and indeed UEFA, I can’t remember us getting any luck, we never get “homers” as referee, we do when playing away come across refs who look after home team .
Whether it is luck or H Dallas influence, we are along bit short of winning in Europe when we are not getting the rub of the green.


3.) 13 Dec 2023 14:32:40
Just one other point 4 leaf clover . Big profits and bigger dividends come from the club gaining more success on the playing field . I am sure our Tory Board are doing everything in their power to maximise football club success on playing pitch . True Tories would ignore upgrading Lennoxtown and Barrowfield, they would do away with academy which isn’t bringing many players through . They would have prop-up Celtic shops all along concourse of every stand where they aren’t selling alcohol.


4.) 13 Dec 2023 14:33:16
Lots of big names failed, the same as us, it's not a case of underfunding, are Man U. Underfunded,?, in our case it's the manager not utilising the players to the best of their abilities, and then claiming, that the players just are not good enough for the champions league .


5.) 13 Dec 2023 14:54:51
That fact is still as frightening. We really need to change direction. I don't get why we haven't got 3-4 extra players in with top quality on competitive European salaries.

I remember ed a few years back bringing this up how other teams with similar incomes were offering better salaries. It was round about the time we played Molde. We were demanding better players but salaries has always been our problem. I don't get why not offer 1-3 top quality (our standard) 50k. Give general players a boost and then be offering incentives like if you win a champions league game a bonus of £1million split between all players that play. I'm sure you'd find them training harder and demanding game time. Giving it everything on the park. Might eventually get us results.


6.) 13 Dec 2023 15:58:52
Aindoh I know what you mean that money doesn't guarantee a successful campaign but it helps.

We wouldn't be worrying about the quality of our squad in Scotland if we were building a European standard team. Even if we aren't aiming for Champions league beyond Christmas we should at least be looking to be competitive at Europa league level. But we're not. If you were any other team in the champions league and you drew Celtic you'd be rubbing your hands guaranteed football after Xmas. That needs to stop. At least make us a decent standard for Europa league football.

Man U are not the team to look at they've allowed the decline so much between there drama players who all think they were superstars, paid for overpriced bang average players and had allowed the systematic decline of their team as it was run for the business as opposed to the team.


7.) 13 Dec 2023 17:18:12
In my seven decades plus, Man UtD have always been the club to immulate and. their supporters were the envy of all .
After no success for about 20 yrs in Europe, Celtic Changed their method of recruitment, we started concentrating on teenagers and 20yr. Old to supplement our new scouting in Japan and S Korea .
We haven’t fully tested this recruitment policy &. maybe we should continue.


8.) 13 Dec 2023 19:31:03
Surely Celtic have always offered bonuses for various levels of success in Europe . They give bonuses for wins and draws in SPL and for winning it.

Changed time from when Bertie Aulde asked the Rangers player next to him in tunnel how much a bonus were they on& was told a tenner, Bertie said ours is just £7 -10 shillings, but ours is quaranteed.


9.) 13 Dec 2023 19:36:21
As for the GB, I didn't realise they had been banned for the last ten years.


 

 

 

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22 Aug 2023 19:28:43
Unless he has a full grade 3 hamstring tear. Pretty much full rupture it won't take 6 months to heal. Hamstrings tend to be 6-8 weeks full recovery. If mild 4-6. Plus he'll be having top rate physios managing that recovery. Him being able to finish the half he was playing suggests your grade 1 or 2 tear. I'm more concerned the volume of injuries, is the level of training and recovery not great. Or are the players not match conditioned and picking up easy injuries?

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18 Aug 2023 12:50:40
I can only imagine that it's for winter training trying to get players into Lennox town when there's a foot of snow on ground would be dangerous whilst changing plan to train indoors at barrowfield would save that problem. Would also be a better facility for the youth team as it would be seen as progression when training at Lennox town as opposed to barrowfield. I think both psychological element as well as weather management is the reasons.

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01 Jul 2023 12:26:51
I think £30m is a minimum if players from Portugal, Holland, France, English championship, Ukrainian league can go for a fortune. Then a young Portuguese player, whom has champions league experience played confidently against the likes of Madrid. Has regular first team football for 2 years and is one of our best. We should be demanding a higher fee in the crazy football market. KT, Van Dijk, wanyama, foster has proven we can have top quality players.

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01 Jul 2023 12:04:53
I wouldn't even give them the privilege of asking it's £30m a minimum.

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29 Jun 2023 19:17:29
Surely nothing less than £30 million. It's Saudis I don't expect it's the most attractive league for Jota but a decent salary. The Saudi league has money to throw at the game and if they are paying ridiculous fees for players approaching retiring and mediocre EPL teams players they can dig out £30 million for Jota.

There is a 30-35% on anything over 6.5 million so that's at least £16.5 million profit for us (£23 million in the bank) . I'd expect that to be reused with the £20-30 million allegedly promised to Rodgers.

Hopefully this is us taking the next big step in financial play for Europe.

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02 Jan 2024 08:58:17
Didn't only stud him he wrapped a leg round at pace in the follow through. That's at risk of breaking a leg. But rangers free kick, no card?

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22 Dec 2023 15:14:50
Thats CCV, Scales, Welsh, Kobayashi, Lagerbielke, Nawrocki and Philips. (7 centre backs) . At most we need 4 that's far to many centre backs even with Phillips loan finishing. Whoever the manager has no intention of using as a starter or sitting on a bench needs to go - Welsh is not our first choice. I like him as a player but if he's not in the top 4 then he needs to go.

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22 Dec 2023 13:38:47
Agreed DRB, it's to early to get rid of players. New manager, changes to style of football, change of culture, poor run of form and injuries and these guys are scapegoats. I'd give them another 6 months and if any of Holm, Yang, Tilio, Lagerbielke and Kwon were offered a loan in the league for game time I'd take it. I recon if we could get at least 2 out for game time and then get another 2 regular game time from ourselves then we can really asses at least 4.

I'd be offloading Kobayashi, Bernabei, ? Turnbull, Phillips, McCarthy, ? Welsh, ? Mikey Johnstone. The ones with the? If not in Brendan's plans times up.


With that then I'd like 2 or 3 quality players this window. A left back, striker, Goalkeeper or holding midfielder. Money spent. I think if that happened we'd come out stronger. With the summer being further investment.

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13 Dec 2023 15:58:52
Aindoh I know what you mean that money doesn't guarantee a successful campaign but it helps.

We wouldn't be worrying about the quality of our squad in Scotland if we were building a European standard team. Even if we aren't aiming for Champions league beyond Christmas we should at least be looking to be competitive at Europa league level. But we're not. If you were any other team in the champions league and you drew Celtic you'd be rubbing your hands guaranteed football after Xmas. That needs to stop. At least make us a decent standard for Europa league football.

Man U are not the team to look at they've allowed the decline so much between there drama players who all think they were superstars, paid for overpriced bang average players and had allowed the systematic decline of their team as it was run for the business as opposed to the team.

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13 Dec 2023 14:54:51
That fact is still as frightening. We really need to change direction. I don't get why we haven't got 3-4 extra players in with top quality on competitive European salaries.

I remember ed a few years back bringing this up how other teams with similar incomes were offering better salaries. It was round about the time we played Molde. We were demanding better players but salaries has always been our problem. I don't get why not offer 1-3 top quality (our standard) 50k. Give general players a boost and then be offering incentives like if you win a champions league game a bonus of £1million split between all players that play. I'm sure you'd find them training harder and demanding game time. Giving it everything on the park. Might eventually get us results.

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