21 Nov 2015 23:54:01
I wonder what excuses will be created by the RD sympyithsers today? Probably all the boards fault as usual!
22 Nov 2015 00:25:48
I bet there were people like you even when Jock Stein was the manager and the team did not win.
22 Nov 2015 00:41:48
It's simple really the manager is incompetent. He is bewildered and fans who are still waiting on his grand vision being realised are going to be sorely disappointed. He has no tactical awareness, can't outthink other coaches and certainly can't respond to difficulties during the game, today was another example of this. All the things he stated he would bring are missing, no high tempo, no pressing and certainly no super fit team, we weren't any fitter than Kilmarnock today. He should do the decent thing and resign.
22 Nov 2015 00:49:18
Think that must be the comment of the year, comparing Ronnie to Jock Stein, I am not so anti Ronnie as some people might think, I am willing to give him time to prove himself, but he is using up that time very rapidly, why not play Allan today, why not play Tierney?
{Ed007's Note - So we kept a clean sheet and your moaning about who was playing LB? The defence looked more solid than it has in a long time and Tierney has been a tired/fatigued, should we just play him week in and week out to burn him out like we have in the past?
You might not rate RD but you can't deny he knows how to nurture young players.
All the people who were moaning about Johansen playing, well he was dropped, the people moaning about playing 2 up front, we changed to that today and it didn't make much difference, and how much have you seen of Scott Allan?
He's 23 and hasn't even made 100 career appearances and has been passed around on loan more times than Debbie Does Dallas on VHS, he's had one decent season in the Scottish second division and all of a sudden he's going to be our new saviour?
Honestly, how many games have you actually watched him in? I'm surprised there hasn't been calls for him to get in the Scotland squad or to check if he's got an Irish granny!
Come on mate, you're usually smarter than this.}
22 Nov 2015 00:58:51
@RABMAC unfortunately ( or fortunately ) I'm not old enough to remember the great man but I'm prettt sure even if he had the odd bad results domestically he managed to do OK in Europe. my comments are not based on todays performance but that of which has been on display for the majority or RDs tenure. We have a squad better, IMO, than molde, and malmo ( I won't go in to last season ) but yet we were played off the park by both of them, how do you defend that?
22 Nov 2015 01:20:48
Ed, my point being, how are we going to see how Allan performs, if he is only going to get eight minutes in a game as a sub, because Ronnie has his favourites, as for Tierney, he is going to be burnt out?, i apolagise, I didn't realise he has been playing constantly since the start of the season, I just thought that I would like him to play against Ajax, and playing today would have been good for him to 'get in the groove '
{Ed007's Note - It's the lad himself that's feeling it, it's a big step up fitness wise and mentally, I'd rather see Tierney at 100% 2 games out of 5 than 60% 5 out of 5, in the bigger picture playing today wouldn't have been for the best, I don't think it's that big a deal in the short term, if we had won today would you still have 'moaned' about KT not playing? We'll reap the benefits in the long run of doing things the right way just now with Tierney.
You're spot on about Allan, but for me he needs to earn that chance, and with his lack of experience he should be competing with the youngsters for that chance. For his age he's no better than our young players. Look who's shing for Hibs this year, should we be looking at signing Cummings, that James Keatings looks the part not to mention McGeouch and Henderson.}
22 Nov 2015 01:26:45
@edd007 if Tierney is tired / fatigued surely that is due to his training / coaching? He hasn't played first team football for at least a fortnight so why is he so tired? Why can John Stones play week in and out? You have always said that we can't be technically as good as the top players but there is nothing stopping us being as fit ao what's the difference now?
{Ed007's Note - John Stones is 21 and played 66 times for Everton in 3 seasons, is that week in and week out? KT is 18, who knows what the future brings. Come back to me in 3 years and see what Tierney has done. Then you'll know what the difference is.}
22 Nov 2015 07:14:06
@Grout64 - If our manager is so incompetent (as was Ally McCoist who couldn't win the Championship despite having the second biggest budget in Scotland by far) then why has he won two trophies and got some good results and performances in Europe? Anyway, why am I even defending Deila when it is clear to everyone on here that we should sack him and get you in as his replacement as you no doubt have much better tactics and training regimes?
@Aindoh - Why don't you point out where I compared Deila to Stein, feel free to use the direct quote. With regards to comparing Stones and Tierney you might notice one plays full back and the other centre back. You may also notice that our full backs do far more running than Everton's centre backs.
I reckon it was a good decision to rest Commons and Tierney and keep them fresh for Ajax match. I can guarantee you that despite what some of you might think, every Celtic player bar none is fitter now than they were under Lennon. I can also guarantee you that Ronny knows exactly who is 100% ready for a match and who can play 2 matches in a week easily. Yes Deila does have some faults but sports science, player fitness and developing players are not among them. If you think they are it only shows ignorance.
22 Nov 2015 09:58:34
Sorry RabMac, I misread your comment. It was'nt me that mentioned Stones, as for Tierney, maybe he is leaving too much of his energy on the training ground.
22 Nov 2015 10:13:45
Based on the logic above of Celtic have a better squad etc should Barcelona not have beat celtic in champions league? Teams set out to nulify other teams attack and in all levels of football it is very hard to break that down regardless of budgets squad sizes. Malmo and Molde did to Celtic what Celtic did to Barcelona. Tierney hasn't played 3 times in a week yet so why would people expect it now. He's only played a handful of games so there's no way he could perform to the level he has playing too much football.
22 Nov 2015 10:21:50
Rabmac I would be interested to hear why you are defending him. My view although only subjective is that at least 8 of the 12 premier league managers would win the league given the Celtic squad particularly last year when he had two exceptional centre backs. Can you point me to the good results in Europe! his benchmark seems to be going out to inter Milan after losing three goal at Celtic park. He hasn't delivered what he said he would.
As a matter of interest how long are you willing to give him?
As an aside I am not currently available for the mangers job.
22 Nov 2015 10:28:55
Rabmac just to add I think it is important to recognise his positive qualities, so perhaps his job should be as our sports scientist, fitness coach or youth development officer, these skills do not make him a good manager that's the problem. His response yesterday to the game slipping away from us was pathetic, I assume you were at the game and agree that Forrest was our most dangerous player creating chance after chance on the right flank? . RD then inexplicably decided to switch him with GMS weakening two positions at one stroke. Amateurish and incompetent.
22 Nov 2015 11:03:50
@JGD2 - you said it will probably be all the boards fault as usual, well it was them that appointed Ronny, who you obviously don't rate so I don't understand your point there! It's also their model that every manager Currently has to follow, and is simply not working. This team is absolutely rotten, plain and simple. I was away for a few days but someone told me last night that they thought they heard Lawwell saying the wage bill is the same as it was under O'Neill, if that's true he should resign tomorrow morning. We don't have any Larssons or Suttons so the only thing I can think of is that this squad is much bigger and fortunes is getting wasted on squad players, aka projects. The balance of the team is all wrong and we have no real quality. This season has been torture from day 1, and although I like Deila, he isn't ruthless enough. The way guys like Armstrong, GMS, Boyata and Cifti have hardly had 1 good game between them! Ronny also goes on and on about them not playing to the right tempo, he says it after every poor performance, then he plays the same players the following week. If we sold the lot of them in Jan I couldn't care less.
22 Nov 2015 12:25:46
In my humble opinion reading through the post I DO blame the board not RD I think the manager should have last say as to what players we sign and for that matter the first say as well until the club changes the policy that they have just now we will always have this discussion.
22 Nov 2015 12:28:09
@Grout64 - While I do like Deila and would like to see him given more time I openly admit he is not without fault.
Anyway, to answer your questions:
Good results in Europe: 1-1 away to Maribor was a decent result and while we lost the return leg at Parkhead we were actually the better team but just did not put our chances away. It is a myth that we were shocking in these matches.
2-2 away to Red Bull Salzburg was a good result and I also thought we performed well in that match. Admittedly they pumped us at Parkhead and it was probably the worst I have seen us perform under Deila in that match.
1-0 against Dinamo Zagreb was a good result.
2-1 against Astra was a good result
3-3 against Inter was a good result. In the away leg I thought we played really well and if it had not been for the red card things may well have gone our way that night.
I also thought we were excellent against Malmo at home and should have buried the tie in the home leg. Individual mistakes cost us in that match.
2-2 against Ajax and Fenerbache were both good results and if it had not been for poor defending at set pieces we would have got the wins in those matches.
In relation to how long I would give him, I think he deserves another year as long as he wins the league and delivers at least 1 cup.
You may have a point about him being better suited to a different role at Parkhead but as I asnwered above, I think he is deserving of more time. Saying all that he does need to adapt his approach to European games as the way he sets us up leaves us exposed at the back and as we have seen the teams in Europe have enough quality to punish us.
22 Nov 2015 12:44:52
It also sums up the whole situation pretty well when people are freaking out because young Teirney and Commons weren't playing, God help us! And with regards guys like Scott Allan, they are obviously not doing it in training. I'm not really bothered about that, I'm bothered about why are they not doing it, and why were they bloody signed in the first place - that's another 6/8k per week that you'd be as well flinging out the window, along with your Stokes, McGregors etc etc. Also why not send Stokes on loan to Bolton when they asked, some of the decisions are bizarre. Lawwell seems to think as well he's doing a great job, and everything's cool, while we have to watch this horsesh1t. It doesn't matter if we had 90% possession yesterday, the teams in Scotland are like glorified pub teams. Malmo beat Hibs 7-0 a couple of years ago! It's getting to the point that the fans are going to have to do something because Lawwell is either trying to be super wide or is deluded!
22 Nov 2015 12:23:53
Ed, Since you are a mine of info mate do you know where/if you can get Debbie Does Dallas on DVD mate av been looking for it for donks! :-)
Seriously folks, yesterday was awful to watch but RD is carrying out PL's guiding instructions to the T! and is not going anywhere fast!
{Ed007's Note - The only DVD version I've ever seen was cut so much and so badly it was more like something you used to get late on a Saturday night on Sly.}
22 Nov 2015 13:22:36
Hi Rab, I was at the 3 group games in the Europa League last year and we were awful in the 3, except the 2nd half against Salzburg! We were 2-0 down after a few mins against Inter also. So all in all except spells against Ajax and Fenerbahce, and the first half against Malmo the 2 campaigns have been an absolute nightmare. I wouldn't mind so much if it was against PSG, Shakhtar and R Madrid but teams from Poland, Romania, Norway, Sweden and Croatia. There will not be one player in any of those teams earning close to what Scott Brown and most of our other players earn, Rosenberg might be the 1 exception. It's not good enough, period.