06 Aug 2015 11:07:27
I don't post very often but I do read regularly and I love the opinions of some but is it just me or are some people way too critical? The expectations are ridiculous sometimes. People slating ciftci without giving the boy time to settle in, people slating Ronny for not playing Griffiths or Commons when he's the manager, let him pick the team he feels will do the job! Oh wait and it worked, we got through a very tricky tie! I'm a big fan of Griffiths so it's nothing against the boy. People slating the team because the performances haven't been fantastic, FFS we've played 1 league game and some tricky European ties. This is the time for winning, the performance will come when the nerves of getting to the group stage is by. People going on about getting in quality! Is it really that easy now? Do people honestly believe we still have the pull we used to have? I was going to say people just like to moan but I realise that's exactly what I'm doing haha. I just think some people will moan about something one week when we don't play well or get beat and then will be praising the same thing the week after if we win or play well. Sorry about the long winded message and maybe I'm just being too critical of peoples opinions.
06 Aug 2015 12:35:23
I think when it comea to spending the clubs money, Deila isn't the one to splash a lot of cash on single players, without the club getting what its worth and he tends to go for domestic players not only to get the best scottish players, but also find the right players for the team and the one's that would give his right eye to play here.
Celtic may have the funds to buy more expencive player than they have atm, but it wouldn't set in the long run.
Like Strømsgodset, he bought for 500.000 pounds and sold for 3,5 mill pounds in a 5 year periode, and every year still the team getting better and better.
I would think even after qualifying for CL, you might not see to many big buys this season at all.
Its more like holding on to the cash untill the club is a stable CL club and you don't end up as a Leeds, if you fail to qualify for CL just one season.
Deila himself has never played or managed a team in CL, the positive about that is that he can get a team working with out a lot of money, but he also needs to get used to those kinda of games, so some failure is bound to happen.
But as time goes, Deila will get experience in europe, he will get more funds, maybe you will get some talents from the youth setup and the clubs reputation will increase.
How many of todays Celtic players have even played in the CL? Commons? Brown?
New things in every part of the life needs to be done some times to get the experience, so they know what to expect, playing against teams on a bad pitch, in hot weather and so on with out buckling.
06 Aug 2015 13:09:28
Norwegianred, I always enjoy reading your posts. I love that you know a lot about Deila and what he has done. I am one of the very few people who have been behind him 100% from the start, even through the bad times of last year. A lot of fans are very quick to judge but I suppose it comes with the territory of managing Celtic.
There’s no doubt I would love to see a big name, big money signing but I’m afraid those days are gone(not just because of the board but because of the draw we have as a club/Scottish football)
How many players could we afford that have played Champions League football before?
I like this model; it’s just going to take a few years to see the full effect. (Development, academy etc).
06 Aug 2015 14:41:28
Cmcbhoy People have got a right to be critical. If you think Cifti is the answer, your head must be up in the clouds. What exactly has Cifti done in the SPL that is anything to note? He is nowhere near as good a player as Griffiths and will join the ever increasing list of striking failures of late- Murphy, Bangura, Fridjonsson, Balde, Pukki and Scepovic. So apologies if fans have a real genuine concern that their chief scout John Park has continually failed to identify a striker that is of a standard to compete in Europe! The cheek of us!
06 Aug 2015 15:21:41
DN30 I think your head is in the clouds if you think it's that easy to obtain a quality striker for the price we can pay and that includes wages or even if a quality stiker would want to play in our league. An example would be Connor wickham for 7m! With the amount of scouts in every corner of the planet do you think it's easy to find a new Larsson? You're deluded if you think that. As for John Park he has done a tremendous job for us over the years. Yeah some haven't worked out but that's football. We have to buy young and hope they will develop! I'm not saying people have not got a right to be critical but you're not even giving the boy a chance. He's 23 with plenty of room to develop. Why don't you give me your superior knowledge of scouting and tell me what player you think we should go for? you are entitled to your opinion but some of the posts I see from you makes me think you'd be better of supporting(not that I see much of that from you) another team.
06 Aug 2015 16:02:11
It's all about opinions and many on these are based on comparisons, observations and previous experiences.
For the vast majority of supporters like me who are pushing 60, we have seen several generations of players, teams and managers at Celtic and we were spoiled on success and class.
A team like (no other) Celtic, has always maintained unique and memorable, results, achievements and great players and when standards and quality is below par in our opinion - we tend to make comment or voice our concerns.
It certainly does not mean we care for or love the club any less and we support the club through thick and thin always.
06 Aug 2015 16:36:53
Cmcbhoy clearly its yourself who is living in a wee fantasyland. You don't need to spend £7m etc to buy quality. that's a lot of nonsense. Players like Michiel Kramer, a proven goalscorer in Eredivisie is available at £1.5m, Gary Hooper cost £2.4m and done a sterling job (not a player Park identified). What you need is a competent scout and John Park is not that man
06 Aug 2015 16:57:08
Like cmcbhoy I enjoy reading your post on ronny norwegianred, but to compare stromsgodset to celtic is crazy, I understand his achievements were great in norway but I does anyone believe that if ronny was put in charge of arbroath theyd win the spl in 5years. I'm not blaming ronny,like the guy his passion and his roar although any manager in charge of celtic last season wouldve win the title(no chalenge) as a club we deserve better than we get, cifti was the final straw for me, didn't like the boy as player or person(like some people re:griffiths,barton etc)my club signed him and like quite a few others I feel yet again robbed by our board
06 Aug 2015 16:57:14
I think most on here could name players, who are affordable, that would improve the side. I don't buy into this 'we can't attract quality' garbage. We're a massive club, with the prospect of CL football. If we changed our wage policy we'd have no bother.
06 Aug 2015 17:33:57
JT I agree
06 Aug 2015 18:15:11
It's very easy for all of us to name players that could improve us , or do a good job for us . The thing is unlike the scouts or Deila, we will never be held accountable for bringing players to Celtic and who don't make it .
None of us thought much of Berget, yet he is starring for Malmo and could well feature in the Champions League .
Armchair scouts will always have a field day .
06 Aug 2015 19:18:22
Not sure what your point is Old Bhoy?
06 Aug 2015 23:43:35
You said Jim Tim that most of us could name players that are affordable and would improve us .
I agree But the difference is that we will never know whether the players we could name would actually be any good at Celtic Park .
Normally it takes into the second season until we really know the capabilities of the players we have actually signed .
The players signed in our minds only, how can we judge them . Day dreaming isn't always the most accurate .
07 Aug 2015 12:23:38
Ah right bud. It kind of goes without saying that some transfers work and some don't. I thought Boerrigter was a great signing! Walked into the side for the first game, played well, got injured and that's the last we've seen of him.
The club are already accountable for wasting money though. Bringing in similar or sub standard players to what we have or have lost. Insignificant reinvestment. Quantity over quality. A lack of foresight and ambition.
It's all opinion of course what would be a good signing. Personally, before Guidetti, I think the last striker I was genuinely excited about was JVoH. Apologies in advance for using the lad as an example. But if I was to write an ordered list of strikers, we could realistically get, to lead us into the CL and beyond. Ciftci wouldn't be in it!
It's just so frustrating. So far this window, with sales and wages we haven't spent anything. We're probably saving a few million actually. And again, personally, I can't see it changing. And there's new kit and sponsorship deals there and a boosted CL revenue on offer. Yet myself and tens of thousands of others stump up hard earned cash without blinking. Well i'm starting to blink now.
I don't want to be too critical of the squad we have. Currently they're doing what is asked. And yes, as a young squad have improvement within themselves. But all I ask is that our side, like the supporters, be the best it can be. And it's not.
07 Aug 2015 15:14:52
Im not comparing Celtic and Strømsgodset in any way Ryder, that would be an insult to your great club, aswell as you fans!
Im just trying to add on what I know of Deila, and what I think is going on in terms of new players etc.
I don't know how transfers is done, I don't know that much about cifci if he was a scouted player before Deila arrived, if he had anything to say, if there acctually was that many other player available, if maybe GMS and Armstrong have said anything reguarding the transfer?
What I do know is that Deila is extreme at getting the best out of anyone, and Cifci ticks a lot of Ronny's boxes. I havnt followed the scottish league for more than a year or so, so I really can't say that much else but from an outsider point of view, you havnt seen the best of him yet.
Not my intention of insulting anyone, but I do see a lot of resemblence of Deila's Celtic to the Strømsgodset he had so much success with.