05 Feb 2014 13:57:42
5.) @4 Che that's exactly what you should be trying to do, so we are all singing from the same hymn sheet and all supporting the team together, come on mate, think about it
Tambhoy

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Tam the hymn sheet I am singing from wants to see the PLC board replaced with people who are willing to reinvest money in the team with the aim of making Celtic a team who will consistently either qualify for the CL last 16 or at the very least drop down to the Europa League. I want a board that are willing to back the fans against the OBF act and full disclosure of what part the club paid in drafting the Act. I want them to publicly state what the club's view is on the mess at the Lance Armstrong Arena and clearly state that as far as Celtic are concerned RIFC are a brand new club with no ties to the dead "Old Firm" tag and the next game against them will be the first ever. What part did the club take in talks over RIFC starting point in our league system? Our finances prove we don't need any form of Rangers to survive.

I want to see a strong manager brought in who is not just a yes-man to the board and who is capable of moving the team tactically forward. A manager who will give youngsters a fair crack of the whip rather than spending what little money they are given on dross like Bangura, Griffiths, Boeriggter or blindly continue choosing mediocre players like his cronies Mulgrew and Florist regardless of their form.

I want to see the supporters united in their support of the team and not be divided by PLC instigated "battles" with each other, a stadium full supporters that will vocally back the team for 90 minutes through good and bad and not consumers who turn up with their half & half scarves to take pictures and demanding to be entertained or are too busy tweeting about the game rather than actually watching it and supporting the team. Why is the club accepting fines from UEFA regarding banners when there is clear evidence of other clubs and UEFA itself linking football and politics, is the club happy to play along as it gives them a stick to beat the GB with and keeps the fans and consumers at loggerheads?

I want to see the club taken back from the panty wetters and soup takers and returned to the true fans. Sadly this isn't going to happen while this PLC board strives to fill the stadium with customers rather than supporters and the continuing Hibernification of our club.

One more important thing is that I want the club to pay it's employees a living wage, there should be no ifs and butts about it. While Peter Laweel sits in his mansion with a heated driveway there are employees struggling to make ends meet, at a club our size and based on the principles of Brother Walfrid it is a disgrace.

If the board and manager are doing such a good job why is the stadium half empty on match days? Perhaps you should think about it, before it's too late to do anything to change it.

1.) 05 Feb 2014
I think many fans will agree with most of that Che; but while we are in this surreal League with no apparent main rival and the TV revenue is reflected by this; the PLC Board have it all their own way.
There is no argument from me that at present we can only beat what's in front of us and we are doing just that
with a less talented squad than we have had for many a year. However,
I have been as sick as a pig since our disastrous CL campaign when we all expect better (especially at home) no matter if we are punching above our weight as the critics remind me.
From the last 16 in 2012 to No Euro football in 2013/14 is a big step back.
I watched us punch above our weight in '67 and following Celtic since gave us an expectancy and appreciation of great football, classy and creative players and a philosophy and tradition to entertain the supporters - not take them for granted.

JJ

2.) 05 Feb 2014
Che, I don't think I've ever disagreed with a single point you've made on here. This post though has got to be by far the best post I've ever seen in my time of using this site! NAIL + HAMMER.

3.) 05 Feb 2014
Che, with regards the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act, I'm unsure where you get the information from the Club somehow fully supports this?

Celtic did put in a submission regarding the Bill before it was passed but it expressed concerns regarding football fans being discriminated against.

You can find all the submissions here, Celtic's is OB62

www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/31448.aspx

It finishes off with:-

'Celtic Football Club remains supportive of the willingness of the Scottish Government to tackle difficult issues such as Sectarianism and extreme behaviour.

The outlawing of behaviour which we would all find offensive, such as hate based offences listed in the Bill, is welcome if these are not adequately provided for in existing law. But these offences should not be applied to in a purely football context. Behaviour which is genuinely so offensive has no place in Scottish Society'

4.) 05 Feb 2014
05 Feb 2014 20:27:32
What does it say about us as fans, that the stadium is half empty every week? Faithfull through and through and all that. And what would brother Wilfred say about blowing millions on second rate players, just to appease fickle fans?

5.) 05 Feb 2014
Perhaps if you had read what was typed rather than making something up you might understand it better. I never said the club fully supports the OBF act.

6.) 05 Feb 2014
Aw I misunderstood your post, sorry Che.

'I want a board that are willing to back the fans against the OBF act and full disclosure of what part the club paid in drafting the Act' - full disclosure has been available on the Scottish Government website for a couple of years now.

Agreed maybe now the Act has been passed Celtic need to look at their stance as a Club but its also down to football fans. So far all we seem to have done is left it up to the Green Brigade to wave a banner about for 2 mins at the Milan game.

The crowds being down, this started last season which coincided with lack of competition in the League and I agree with Green Jhedi from yesterday and Linwoodbhoy's post above - poor show.

The Board are not perfect and the way they have not backed the Manager is getting ridiculous but as they saying goes - You cannot fix anything from the outside looking in

7.) 05 Feb 2014
The club were consulted on the OBF and on the Scottish Government website you can read the minutes of the meetings. Celtic are more than once clearly thanked for all their help in constructing the legislation. It was spoke about at the Celtic Trust's open meeting tonight in the London Road CSA. The PLC board are as guilty as the government in regards to the bill.

8.) 05 Feb 2014
Some valid points but to touch on half empty stadiums what's the excuse for this weekend?
Reduced pricing, probably hardest game we'll face, large travelling support, closer to a final and for those who will no doubt sell out the ground if it happened a step nearer to a game against the new club in Scotland.

9.) 05 Feb 2014
Ed, am I doing/saying something wrong here? My last 4 or 5 posts have never been put up!

{Ed007's Note - The only other post from you recently is this one earlier tonight, you weren't logged in when you sent it buddy:

Che, I'm almost in full agreement with you. My worry is that while we are winning this one horse race of a league (yeah it's poor but it's not our fault) that elements of our support are happy. Jesus...wake up FFS!
We are not progressing as much as we should be, I'm not arrogant enough to say we're not progressing at all but don't fool yourselves, we could be a lot better!
Che, you mentioned investment? Spot on! We are coining it in...So spend some of it! We should be and need to be so far in front of the when they eventually make it back to the big boys table that we are untouchable. This could and should be a defining point in our clubs history. We can achieve success in the coming years that should remain unrivalled for ever. Instead we are settling for mediocrity! If the board don't think there is a need to invest (because of the standard of the league) then lower all the prices we as supporters pay, that's fair isn't it? Afterall with little investment, we're still going to win the league? So is it about the profit and the heated driveway for PL or is it about how successful the board (who we pay) can manage Celtic Football Club to be?
You mention the board supporting the fans? Contentious that one. If you are talking about support in the respect of investment, then f*cking right they should. For support in other areas? Then I disagree, certain individuals/groups are chipping away at our clubs good (well earned) name. Offensive banners, pyrotechnics and songs romanticising terrorism/terrorists have no place in todays football stadia
The clubs view on Scotlands shame? Again I disagree. What's our view got to do with anything? Anything we as a club say will only be twisted by the media. We know the truth and what's even better is so do they, but they can't admit it. Sometimes it takes the bigger man just to smile and walk away.
Strong manager? I'm with you on that! NL is not developing, why? because he can make tactically inept decisions in our league and still cheek a win. Anywhere else and he'd be found out (Champions League) He consistently plays guys who shouldn't even be on the pitch. Why? Cos he can and knows in this league he will get away with it.
You mention a united support? Investment in the team will produce this. As for the half & half scarf tweeters, unfortunately that's a sign of the times. Like or hate it...social media rules!
You all still awake?
Living wage? I'm with you 100% on this.
When you're on holiday and trying to explain to someone that your love for celtic is all about our ethos, our history and our founders and the foundations they layed for our great club (and it is a great club) When you find yourself welling up while singing YNWA with 60000 other likeminded people. When you find yourself hugging a complete stranger at the temple of doom as Commons scores against the scum. All of this is a passion that derives not only because of what's happening on the pitch but because we grew up steeped in history, from 1888 til present. We are rightly proud of our clubs charitable history! So for a board of millionares to forget where this club came from and deny it's employees the living wage is an insult to it's forefathers and they should hang their f*cking heads in shame!
That's my opinion folks. Some will agree some won't...so be It.

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10.) 05 Feb 2014
'Perhaps if you had read what was typed rather than making something up you might understand it better. I never said the club fully supports the OBF act.'

Obviously I did not misunderstand and did not make something up then, you do believe based on a meeting tonight that the Club fully backed the Act?

Celtic were involved in the Joint Working Group for tackling Sectarianism which they have never hid and why should they not be involved, it gave them the opportunity to raise the concerns about football fans being discriminated against? Also at the time of the joint working group, the Celtic manager was subject to death threats along with high profile Fans.

I provided a link to Celtic's submission about the Bill, where is the link showing Celtic fully backed the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act and everything that was in it including discriminating against football fans?

11.) 05 Feb 2014
I've got far better things to do with my time than go searching for stuff for you. The reason I mentioned it is because I knew it was being brought up at tonights meeting but I still can't see where I said the club fully backed the bill, I said the club were consulted on it and helped construct it, helped being the operative word, which you have now admitted.

12.) 05 Feb 2014
05 Feb 2014 22:38:57
Agreed 100% Dorcetbhoy. Been a long time viewer of this site, just recently signed up. Best post I've seen on here m8

13.) 05 Feb 2014
Cheers Ed, I knew you were a good bloke really :-)
Don't know what happened but cheers, I was starting to get paranoid lol!

{Ed007's Note - I'm too nice for my own good sometimes!}

14.) 05 Feb 2014
05 Feb 2014 23:03:01
Agree with most points but disagree strongly with wanting a new manager. NL has never been a yes man to anyone in my eyes.
Who would you bring in to replace him and what budget would you give them.
Which youngsters would you give a fair crack of the whip to and who would you drop.
Griffiths was not the signing we were all looking for but give the bhoy a chance ffs.
Where are all these true fans just now?
Is it 1994 sack the board sack the manager

15.) 05 Feb 2014
For goodness sake Che lighten up, they were part of a joint working group on Sectarianism but submitted their views on the OB Act with concerns - why do you seem so adverse to anything good about Celtic?

Everyone and everything has their faults, when you find perfection do share it with us all.

Dorsetbhoy, some good points and I'd love to see more investment in the team and the Manager backed.

Also agree, there are groups chipping away at our Club and offering no alternative or anything constructive. Just negative all the time. You're right about the new Club, Celtic never commented when Gretna arrived so why make a statement about this mob? Maybe once we need to play them?

16.) 06 Feb 2014
Sorry Mrs E but I don't see why I should lighten up, this is a serious subject that I feel very passionate about. I think my complaints are well founded and prove that I want nothing but the best for Celtic and our supporters, there are a load of supporters who feel the same way just look at this thread or any other Celtic fans forum. Are you accusing them of being adverse to anything good about Celtic? Forgive me for having personal standards and expecting the club to uphold the standards it was built on. I find it hard to pledge allegiance to a PLC board that refused to advertise a fan driven food collection but will happily ask it's supporters to give money to Airdrie FC, a club whose chairman was happy to take part in a sash-bash fundraiser for the dead Rangers at Linfield in 2012.

There is plenty of reasons that the club should make a definitive statement regarding Sevco, for a start they have mentioned us plenty without any reply, if the club listened to the fans they would know the way we feel and comment on the whole affair. Gretna weren't swaggering and posturing all over Scotland claiming to be the same club and bragging about winning titles they cheated us out of, to even think the club shouldn't comment on the matter is quite frankly ridiculous, more so as they were liquidated owing us money.

The last paragraph of your post is nothing more than PLC propaganda claptrap, they refuse to listen to anything constructive unless it makes them money. i.e safe standing. What have I suggested that isn't constructive, I've hardly just made some bullet point list with no explanation and the fact fans on here are discussing it shows my points are constructive enough to have fans voice their opinions on the points I raised.

That's a lot more constructive than anything I've read from your good self, all you seem to do is nitpick over things and tell us what the PLC want us to hear, it's not even your own opinions. Maybe you should adopt a more positive attitude and try to make things better rather than accept what you are spoon fed through the Celtic View.

17.) 06 Feb 2014
Che Albert here, who would you recommend to take over from the current board.
OBF I am not going to pretend I know what part Celtic played or did not play in the constuction of this act, because simple fact is I don't know, What I will say is I do not agree with police filming supporter's if all they are doing is singing.
Rangers I have stated on here on many occaision's I fully support GJ and other's on their quest to ensure the truth come's out ( which I doubt in this country of our's)
Lenny I believe he is a strong manager, just think of all the $hit he has taken both as a player and a manger, maybe the board are playing on his love of Celtic too much.I also believe if he played youngster's and we got beaten we would have people on here looking for his head.Think you are doing Mulgrew a diservice as I believe he give's his all, no matter where he is asked to play, as for Griffith's think the guy should be given the chance to prove himself.
PLC instigated battle's, I am old enough to have my own opinion on this and do not need Celtic or yourself to decide what is wrong or right, the onlty banner I have disagreed with is feck euafa, .
Panty wetter's exactly who are you talking about?I have never seen anyone tweeting alway's too busy watching the game, as for wanting to be entertained, is that not what we all want,
Living wage Totally and utterly agree with you
Stadium half empty
Maybe because the panty wetter's and soup taker's ( your word's not mine) don't think we are worth coming to see.I though we were ALL Celtic supporter's faithful through and through.I have supported Celtic since 1957 ( you will all be fed up reading that LOL).This is not or even near the worst time to support your team.
Hibernification please explain what that mean's, you know how I am old and doddery Che
Tambhoy

{Ed007's Note - 1957? Were the strips in black and white back then!}

18.) 06 Feb 2014
@17 On the telly they were ED LOL
Tambhoy

{Ed007's Note - Back in the day when smoking was good for you, I've seen the old Pathe news reels.}

19.) 06 Feb 2014
Che, do you know me personally?

My opinions are not my own, who's are they then seen as you know so much about me?

Spoon fed through the Celtic View, am I a teenage boy?

By constructive criticism I mean offering an alternative, a viable alternative. We all want to see our team playing good football and competing in Europe, some things go without saying.

Other posters have not agreed with all your points yet its only my post you mention, why?

Che, I perfectly respect everything you have to say but we are just very different. Not in a good/bad way, just different.

I just like football really and enjoy watching it. I started on here about 2 years ago discussing the team then of course RFC went bust, which was fun!

I'm just not sure about all this Celtic bashing particularly about issues that have existed for sometime now & all of a sudden some fans have an 'issue' with them! Call me what you want, I'm not bothered really.

20.) 06 Feb 2014
I have dutifully followed you're posts che. you are a great writer on this site. your posts are connected in fact and paired with attitude regarding our club and your views at times are are second to none . I do not skip or scroll down your posts. with the greatest respect I have witnessed some severe distaste on the current runnings and the fustrations that the club have served up to us all for multiple years. we toil and argue but there has been "nothing"(little if that to off set the bias rumbles when fully pushed and printed media wise). close to nothing done in the case of obvious labeling and acceptance of common sense at the least. the path of sev has bewildered and bemused, regardless. until fifa put the boot in which they haven't . sev have and plan to turn a blind eye to rules and regulations and squirm with a taxman backpack.
we will collectively boil our nappers regardless and voice to the stage.

the gripes, feel like results, feel like elongated sick pay and a verbal violent mental breakdown with the headlines concerned. (hoop benefit what a thought)
we are the same team. same credentials. but gravely strayed I admit.

21.) 06 Feb 2014
Thankfully I don't know you personally but I know plenty of people like you, that's more than enough for me thanks.

You keep peddling your little fantasy about nobody mentioning the wrongs at the club before Sevco went bust, maybe you couldn't hear it with your head in the sand, or maybe you just chose to ignore it because it didn't suit you at the time. Lots of supporters have commented about the decline in standards at the club and for a lot longer than just when Sevco went kaput. Just because we couldn't afford prawn sandwiches doesn't mean we weren't there.

And. I only answered you because you directly questioned something I said D'UH!

22.) 06 Feb 2014
Che, the part directed at you was about the Offensive Behaviour Act to which you have still not replied or commented on Celtic's actual submission to the Celtic government instead you've opted for words like 'd'uh'. Have you been eating an out of date prawn sandwich that has made you unwell?

I'm glad I don't know many like you, to be honest you come across as a very controlling and manipulative person pal. As for head in the sand and live in a fantasy, eh no. I wish lol

I don't think we'll be interacting again on here, is their really any point when you are arrogant enough to believe a few petty put downs means your putting your point across well?

Cheers Che :-)

23.) 06 Feb 2014
Oooofffft – Should say 'Scottish Government' not 'Celtic Government'. Honest mistake lol