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27 Feb 2022 14:13:09
I'll challenge those who defended the resting of players the other night and who are not disillusioned by how AP is using the squad. Treating Europe like an inconvenience was a mistake.
Best 11 almost all of the time. When do you change it? Injury or home cup games against opposition that warrants it.
How to get a result against us in SPL? Sit in, frustrate and defend the box. We couldn't put a cross on the end of a napper or foot even if they weren't there!
1.) 27 Feb 2022 14:22:15
Poor decisions from ange cost us today. He never makes any changes to have a positive impact on the game. Rogic shouldn't have started and should have been subbed at half time. Maeda doesn't look good enough for me. Still 10 games to go but need to improve vastly if we are to win the league.
2.) 27 Feb 2022 14:25:33
Putting high balls into one of the smallest strikers in the league was never going to work. Should have been playing through them or over them. Juranovic and GG the only ones on form atm.
3.) 27 Feb 2022 15:01:42
I will take up your challenge PeeKay.
Celtic have played 4 Away league matches this season, directly after an Away match in Europe.
In those 4 games, today has been our only point.
1 point from 12 definitely won’t win us the league title.
Our performance last week and again this week has convinced me more, that it’s best that Celtic are out of Europe, at this stage of this season.
Celtic can build on our European progress after this season.
Remember our next European tie could be in the Champions League group stage next season.
Why would you want Celtic to jeopardise that by getting to the latter stages of the Conference League this season.
We will need to agree to disagree because I know you also feel strongly in your argument.
4.) 27 Feb 2022 15:31:56
Did Ange not say in January he was delighted with the squad and the depth?
I don’t understand why we need to rest players for Europe when we have the players available that we do.
The first leg AP is solely responsible for. Why? His unwavering demand that we will attach no matter what. The best coaches and teams in the world don’t even do that. It’s astonishing, stupid and pretty arrogant? Who does he think we are? Secondly the team selection for that game was wrong. Stevie Wonder phoned me and said he saw it coming…. that’s how obvious it was.
In the second game he decided Europe was beyond us. The team selected and how they played epitomised that. Criminal.
However I think you (BB) and others said that the resting of players stood us in good stead for today. So what’s the excuse? We rested our best players to concentrate on Hibs and we still failed. How can Europe be at fault for that?
The bottom line is if a team sits in against us and we don’t get a break of the ball or score a screamer we run out of variation and ideas. We have no ability to score via crosses in tight games. This has been the case for seasons on end.
That’s why we are not picking up the points not Europe.
5.) 27 Feb 2022 16:34:01
PeeKay,
You have just contradicted your own argument.
Ange Did say he was happy with his squad in January and that’s why he’s using his squad.
Today was very poor again and if Celtic don’t win the league this season, it will be because we’re not good enough yet.
The one thing I’m certain off, Celtic will drop less points being out of Europe and it will give us a better chance.
I do understand your frustration because our Coefficient points isn’t good enough but Celtic could get 4 Coefficient points automatically for Champions League group stage qualification.
6.) 27 Feb 2022 17:36:56
I think what you might be missing in my point is the way he is using the squad.
The depth is there for injuries or extreme cases of fatigue. However we are only half a dozen games or so back from a month long break. That why I am frustrated that he feels they need rested to prepare for Hibs.
I think we should all put away this fear and theory that competing and doing well on all fronts is what will kill our league campaign. I just don’t see any real evidence of that.
I think the opposite is what is doing us in. Some players who might perform well are not guaranteed to start the next game and I don’t find that a good game of psychology. If they best 11 is on form and winning just keep playing them. Minor changes would be expected for an injury or something.
I also think that AP needs to get smarter on the tactics, style and hopefully in the summer players of metal will be signed. Not sure we have had a dominant CB type in a good few years. Since KT left we have attempted loans and signings for left back. All are mostly an utter waste of money.
I can only hope in the summer that we rectify areas of the squad and he gets a bit more cute on tactics and style. Win the game first. Flair comes second for me. Especially in Europe.
7.) 27 Feb 2022 18:17:33
I agree Celtic have plenty of work still to do PeeKay ?.
24 Feb 2022 18:43:21
The amount of basic errors in our game at the moment is embarrassing. Passing and understanding between players is woeful.
Results aside I think it's mostly been that way since the resumption after winter break. We are mostly dining out on the OF game.
I just hope we do go on to seal the league as its only 3 points gap so the chucking of European football for me is a risk.
When I think about ihow much good that really does us I don't know. I say that because we are financially sound as it is. It's not like having the CL money is going to elevate us to different players because wages will dictate that it's more of the same. We also can't cope with the standard of quality in the conference league so can you imagine the level of new one we'd be ripped in next seasons CL.
Baffled we signed all these players to have a squad where we need to rest our best players because we have Hibs at the weekend.
Can you imagine JS, BMcN or MON doing that sort of thing in European football after Christmas? Celtic have lost their pride and their identity in Europe. Once feared we are now a team anyone would want to play.
And for those saying progress in European football doesn't matter bet you can't wait till our Euro Qualies are against the top teams in Europe and qualification becomes less and less likely because of a non existent co-efficient.
Typical Celtic. No one does us in quite like we do to ourselves. The absolute masters of self destruction.
1.) 24 Feb 2022 19:42:19
We've had to rebuild almost an entire team, while repairing the damage and humiliation inflicted by their predecessors.
Of course Celtic supporters want us to regain some sort of European credibility, but this has been in tatters for a while; with some really embarrassing hammerings (home and away) since BR and before. This is just the latest episode in our Euro demise. Having a decent domestic season should lay the foundations to improve and try to establish some confidence and continuity.
Several of the first team only arrived in January, while others who signed in the summer like GG and McCarthy were nowhere near ready and our season was peppered with injuries. However, we have coped better than expected with a trophy already in the cabinet.
I agree we are currently the whipping Bhoys of Europe, but I had zero expectation this season and going back to the summer, we never even had a manager in place for decent preparation and he has earned a lot of credit and praise for the job he is doing.
Yes, we still have problems to solve and positions that need improvement and we are going through a difficult, inconsistent time of it, but we need to stick behind the manager and team and give them all the support and encouragement they need. Then we can take stock, have post mortems and inquiries when the season ends.
2.) 24 Feb 2022 20:29:27
100% OAB2.
Ange has been here 6 months and signed 19 players as a direct result of the shambles he inherited from the miserable failure to secure 10IAR.
The building process hasn't finished and if we can secure this seasons league title I'd hope the manager continues to be backed and adds more quality to this team.
In Ange we trust.
☘️ ☘️ ☘️.
3.) 24 Feb 2022 21:17:53
where is the quality ped its all very well having a big squad but if they're not of good quality, i hope maeda goes when his loan is up or are we obliged to sign him as he can run but has no technical ability, scales is not what's required and not a patch on taylor who is a poor first choice, oriley has time on his side but recent games showed him to be a first division player, welch is young but still just a decent stand in, forrest a shadow of the player he was, rogic gave a little bit but has since been hooked in the last couple of games we are top of a rubbish league and look good but even the step up to the bottom tier of euro comps shows us up. that team tonight could have scored more and all they are is well drilled not super stars just well drilled.
4.) 24 Feb 2022 21:38:27
Our squad rebuild was simply for a domestic challenge not European success.
I'm glad we are out of the "new" European Cup, the competition shouldn't exist.
If we win the league we will keep rebuilding that's a dead cert.
Starfelt has to be the first replaced I can't understand how so many of us defend his Sunday league abilities because we've kept a good defensive record in the SPL, he gets found out anytime we play anyone with substance, therefore simply not good enough, runs about like he's holding in a rubbish.
5.) 24 Feb 2022 21:45:02
Ped and OAB I thought only an excuse was finished with tbh but I must have got that wrong.
Serious question. Is/ was our squad and best 11 capable of winning that tie. Yes or no?
You’d have to ask in the first leg why we were so poor. The players AND the manager have to take responsibility for that. The second leg can only be summed up despite his vow to go for it that he thought the tie was dead and he saved the best for Hibs.
Like I have said in other areas he and we will look ridiculous if after that protection we don’t win the league.
How ridiculous does Giakoumakis’s comments look now. Shut yer trap son and do your talking on the park.
Celtic will improve in Europe (even with this squad) when they stop putting style over substance!
6.) 24 Feb 2022 22:07:20
take a pill mate.
29 Nov 2021 13:38:07
Looking ahead to the January transfer window I think Celtic need to go all out. Watching this last while I think it's clear to most that we need to try to move on the likes of:-
Barkas, Bolingoli, Soro and Ajeti. That would probably be too good to expect but amazing if we can.
Scales, Osaze, Montgomery and Dane Murray need SPL type loans for experience.
McCarthy, Abada, Mikey J, Liam Shaw have to do much more for me to warrant game time.
Even David Turnbull imo needs to do much more in games.
Celtic need to get players in for CB, LB, CDM, AM and a CF. These need to be players of quality rather than what we have just now which is insulation and padding. So many of our players when you look at the squad you can only see getting a game in an absolute crisis. This is not good and I think too many are guaranteed their place right now.
There is potential here with AP but we'll make an erse of it if we don't put our necks on the line and get the right players in!
I can only hope and pray that those in power see this too!
1.) 29 Nov 2021 14:17:56
The problem will be convincing clubs to pay decent money for these players as their value and any reputation they might have had will have deteriorated. Getting them off the wage bill helps a bit, but it will not raise the significant funds to replace with real quality.
2.) 29 Nov 2021 20:26:26
Peekay,
I can see 3 players realistically signing in January.
Ange has been linked with both Maeda and Hatate from the J-League - one is a free and the other won't break the bank.
A LB is badly needed and would give us 2 good players at both LB and RB.
I'm not sure what the deal will be when Juluen returns but Welsh isn't a starting 11 player but is also a good back up.
Agree there's a few to be shipped out, the 4 you mention, I'd like to see an upgrade to Bain and Mikey hasn't got the minerals for Celtic.
We've got plenty to look forward to and if we make the necessary signings in January it guarantees Ange options in the Summer window.
27 Sep 2021 13:55:06
Is it just me or am I the only one that doesn't think we have an injury crisis? We have injuries yes but a crisis? No.
Cal Mac and Kyogo is really it. Jullien and Forrest have been long term for a long time now.
I get that we are all hurting but we need to be honest about our team and our club. Let's not make excuses. Over the course of a season injuries and suspensions will happen. There should be players, a system, a manager and coaches that can deal with that.
The truth is that there are deficiencies in every area there and too many that we can paper over.
1.) 27 Sep 2021 15:21:29
Giorgios?, forrest was playing start of season also?,
2.) 27 Sep 2021 15:59:00
Giakoumakis hasn't kicked a ball since signed. I can't remember exact dates around the rumours and then contact for his transfer but let's say it was 2 weeks before window closing. We are now 4 weeks after the window closed and in that time he hasn't been able to get himself in shape either prior to transfer or since transfer. 6 weeks! 6 weeks and he can't play 15mins of a game? Can't come on to have an impact? Does that not ring alarm bells with anyone else. What condition was he in when we signed him?
As for Forrest if you look he missed 75% of last season and has hardly featured for injury this season.
I just don't buy this injury crisis nonsense. Its a convenient excuse for those that still won't see that our squad is still nowhere near good enough.
3.) 27 Sep 2021 16:15:45
he came in on transfer deadline day mate but you add two weeks on if you want if that helps your argument.
4.) 27 Sep 2021 16:40:40
I think you are maybe missing the point UI. He is a professional footballer. What was he doing at VVV Venlo? No pre season there? No games?
Anyway we sign him and he isn't match fit but in 3-4 weeks when we are down to just Ajeti he can't play 15mins? Now he is injured. It doesn't really give a sense of confidence.
People seem to make out that we are in this spell of bad luck or something and its all going to change dramatically. From what I have saw so far without Kyogo we are bang average. If he stays fit we might be able to paper over the cracks and get some results but its a big ask for it to be carried by one player.
5.) 27 Sep 2021 16:56:20
Callum McGregor
M
Hamstring
Early October
Georgios Giakoumakis
F
Calf Injury
Early October
Greg Taylor
D
Shoulder injury
Early October
James Forrest
M
Knock injury
Early October
Kyogo Furuhashi
F
Knee injury
Early October
Karamoko Dembele
F
Ankle injury
Early October
Christopher Jullien
D
Knee injury
Early October.
6.) 27 Sep 2021 17:04:44
Plus Juranovic hamstring and McCarthy fitness, we are definitely not benefiting from all this PeeKay.
7.) 27 Sep 2021 17:27:15
When the squad is so limited in certain areas and we lose players in those positions it just looks like a crisis. When you look at the roles of the players we have released, sold or their loan ended it's very apparent we are 'bottom-heavy' with plenty of defenders and 'keepers, but limited choices in CDM, CAM and strikers. There are also substitutes in the squad that are not game-changer quality.
27 Sep 2021 13:55:06
Is it just me or am I the only one that doesn't think we have an injury crisis? We have injuries yes but a crisis? No.
Cal Mac and Kyogo is really it. Jullien and Forrest have been long term for a long time now.
I get that we are all hurting but we need to be honest about our team and our club. Let's not make excuses. Over the course of a season injuries and suspensions will happen. There should be players, a system, a manager and coaches that can deal with that.
The truth is that there are deficiencies in every area there and too many that we can paper over.
1.) 27 Sep 2021 14:42:16
We'll be a better side with certain players back no doubt but the team that's on the pitch should be doing better. The injuries can't be an excuse.
2.) 27 Sep 2021 14:56:11
100% JimTim. Folk need to ask themselves what has really changed? Plenty of new players but are things much different to last year? If you watch the games we have more than enough of the ball to win the game. Same as last year. We just don't really do that much with it. Again same as last year. The lack of quality starts with Ajeti. You have to imagine that before the window closed Ange had a good measure of him. What all this tells me is the only real quality we bought was Kyogo. Take him out the team and the whole dynamic seems to change. Even with Cal Mac in yesterday I doubt the result would have changed. Despite a new keeper and pretty much a whole new defence we still concede in these tight games. Also GG still not being fit from Sept 1st is a bit of a joke. We'll get better again I am sure but competitions could be beyond us by that time.
24 Feb 2022 21:48:44
Disagree. The quality is relative. It’s no harder for us up here than it is for anyone in any other league.
Ange would do better from playing a settled 11 and using the resources when he has to.
For me the chopping is unsettling the only players and the team.
From what you are saying I’ll expect us to be 6 points ahead at the weekend as we should win and Rangers should get pumped ??♂️.
24 Feb 2022 21:29:56
2003 on goal difference and 2008 was by 3 points. What stats do you have to say that both of those were as a direct result of the European runs? Seems to me it’s just assumption and opinion but I know you like the stats.
Are there not campaigns that were won by 18 points or more? Have you looked at the European campaigns those seasons?
What about when EPL teams have won the CL and still win the league. Maybe Man U a number of years ago.
It’s like people are forgetting the bonus of momentum and just a feel good factor from winning and playing well. If you look at our results and performances over the years on exiting Europe I am pretty sure they haven’t been great. The atmosphere goes flat in the players and in the fans.
I hope that’s not the case now. I’ll be expecting a blockbuster performance on sunday against the mighty Hibernian.
24 Feb 2022 19:08:58
Really? Who are we playing at the weekend. Liverpool? Man City? Barcelona? Real Madrid?
Are we really saying that if we’d actually tried to compete in the conference league that we’d have sacrificed the league?
Momentum and performances are also important too. I’d say both our momentum and performances are average to poor right now. You could argue that it would have more of an impact than continuing in a competition by winning and playing well.
Did Ange not say he was happy with the squad and how we have been able to add that depth? Our approach right now is baffling but I suppose small minded outlook makes for small minded outcomes.
19 Mar 2022 07:28:45
So glad that someone is asking this and that fans are contributing their thoughts.
Not sure I can offer any better insight than that already. However these are the debates we should be having and the questions that really matter!
I said it after the defeat to Bodo as I have ever other year when the same fate has occurred. We get crippled by our philosophy. It’s naive in top level football. The worlds best even play conservatively when they need to. After all results first, performance second ??♂️
We have had a favourable draw most years after Christmas with beatable teams. Its not just the loss that hurts (yeah a loss can happen particularly against better teams) but its the manner of them.
Our defending and our attack minded style is what shoots us in the foot every year. I notice we can’t blame the refs for our shortcomings in Europe ?.
I worry about next season and our progress. I worry that Ange will not be able to see past his style and philosophy. But let's see what we win this season first. I hope the league is ours and yes it would be sweet to win the treble. Make no mistake though they’ll get more recognition for their exploits in Europe though.
Food for thought for those that were “happy” with our European exit.
27 Feb 2022 17:36:56
I think what you might be missing in my point is the way he is using the squad.
The depth is there for injuries or extreme cases of fatigue. However we are only half a dozen games or so back from a month long break. That why I am frustrated that he feels they need rested to prepare for Hibs.
I think we should all put away this fear and theory that competing and doing well on all fronts is what will kill our league campaign. I just don’t see any real evidence of that.
I think the opposite is what is doing us in. Some players who might perform well are not guaranteed to start the next game and I don’t find that a good game of psychology. If they best 11 is on form and winning just keep playing them. Minor changes would be expected for an injury or something.
I also think that AP needs to get smarter on the tactics, style and hopefully in the summer players of metal will be signed. Not sure we have had a dominant CB type in a good few years. Since KT left we have attempted loans and signings for left back. All are mostly an utter waste of money.
I can only hope in the summer that we rectify areas of the squad and he gets a bit more cute on tactics and style. Win the game first. Flair comes second for me. Especially in Europe.
27 Feb 2022 15:31:56
Did Ange not say in January he was delighted with the squad and the depth?
I don’t understand why we need to rest players for Europe when we have the players available that we do.
The first leg AP is solely responsible for. Why? His unwavering demand that we will attach no matter what. The best coaches and teams in the world don’t even do that. It’s astonishing, stupid and pretty arrogant? Who does he think we are? Secondly the team selection for that game was wrong. Stevie Wonder phoned me and said he saw it coming…. that’s how obvious it was.
In the second game he decided Europe was beyond us. The team selected and how they played epitomised that. Criminal.
However I think you (BB) and others said that the resting of players stood us in good stead for today. So what’s the excuse? We rested our best players to concentrate on Hibs and we still failed. How can Europe be at fault for that?
The bottom line is if a team sits in against us and we don’t get a break of the ball or score a screamer we run out of variation and ideas. We have no ability to score via crosses in tight games. This has been the case for seasons on end.
That’s why we are not picking up the points not Europe.
27 Feb 2022 14:08:30
Agree but surely folk saw this coming? I wasn’t that confident today. Despite what others say about league being priority and resting players etc football like a lot of things is about confidence and momentum. Our confidence and momentum probably been in decline since beating them 3-0.
24 Feb 2022 21:45:02
Ped and OAB I thought only an excuse was finished with tbh but I must have got that wrong.
Serious question. Is/ was our squad and best 11 capable of winning that tie. Yes or no?
You’d have to ask in the first leg why we were so poor. The players AND the manager have to take responsibility for that. The second leg can only be summed up despite his vow to go for it that he thought the tie was dead and he saved the best for Hibs.
Like I have said in other areas he and we will look ridiculous if after that protection we don’t win the league.
How ridiculous does Giakoumakis’s comments look now. Shut yer trap son and do your talking on the park.
Celtic will improve in Europe (even with this squad) when they stop putting style over substance!