10 Mar 2022 13:12:06
I see from the posts below that there is a bit of reminiscing going on about the old Celtic Park, scarfs and the big Celtic rosette etc. Great to read and brings back a lot of memories of my early days of going to the matches.
I never wore the big rosette, but one memory from the late fifties, early sixties that makes me smile is the Celtic programme. Does anyone else remember it? It was a single sheet thing, folded over in the middle to make four pages. On the front there was a head and shoulders photograph of a Celtic player (no action shots in those days. The player looked as if he was wearing a Celtic shirt, but close inspection revealed that in the original photo he was wearing a suit jacket, white shirt and tie . and that the Celtic shirt had been PAINTED over the original to make it look as if he was in a strip. ?? It was the most amateurish programme ever made (I think the Kelly family must have churned them out on a Gesterner in the basement) , and I can't believe I used to collect them. ?
I wish I had kept one, it might be worth a fortune now.
Happy, innocent, much better days.
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PS. I think it would be a good idea if the team could wear blue and yellow socks on Monday. anybody know how to lobby for that? Just to show we've noticed and we care . that's always been the Celtic way.

{Ed007's Note - You would need special permission to change any of your kit that was not registered for this season. I think you'll find a lot of Celtic supporters would be strongly against it though, how many times on here & on social media do we read from Celtic fans that we should keep politics out of football?
Roman Abramovich is facing serious sanctions over the Russia/Ukraine situation but there wasn't a peep when he gave £74 million to an Israeli settler group that displaces Palestinians from Jerusalem, where's the sanctions on all the Saudi owners - Man City City, Newcastle, Aston Villa etc etc over the situation in Yemen? What about teams that have connections to Qatari
Have we not noticed or do we not care about places that aren't plastered all over the news yet have been facing the same struggles and fights as Ukraine are just now for many years?
Remember the uproar from a lot of panty-wetting Celtic supporters because we got fined for waving Palestinian flags against Hapoel Be'er Sheva - would the same fans complain if the Club showed solidarity with Ukraine - remember "politics has no place in football" according to a large part of the Celtic support.
Are we all forgetting Dermot Desmond's links to Russian & Eastern European finances and banking?}

1.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 16:32:29
Hi Ed
From your reply, I take it that you were totally underwhelmed about that part of my post relating to Celtics early programmes ?
But despite the conflation of issues in your reply, I rather think we are on the same page re this one. For the record I don’t care what Rod Stewart and the ‘pantywetters’ as you call them say . Celtic and their supporters are a political club, and long may it continue I say.
I love it when the Green Brigade fly their Palestinian flags in support. I love it when they put up a tifo reminding them British Government that we won’t forget about Bloody Sunday, even if they do. I love the fact that the Club don’t flaunt that symbol of British Imperialism that the Poppy has become (I should make it clear I have nothing against the charity. I only abhor what the establishment have turned the symbol into) .
I was around when the broo ha ha about flying the tricolour was the big issue and had to read the sh**e people who should have known better write about that. I am told it was Rangers who cast the deciding vote allowing us to fly the flag and thus avoid what would have been a major political issue in football terms.
So, I support the downtrodden in all of the issues you decscribed and In sure the club and the vast majority of its supporters do too. However Ukraine is currently the big issue and some form of acknowledgement of the plight of the Ukrainians would be in the Celtic tradition. It’s what makes us different and a cut above the rest. If some of the support don’t like it they should find another club. They don’t belong in mine.
Phew . good to get that of my chest.
Take care Ed
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{Ed007's Note - As I said though, look at the furore over the Palestinian display - why would a show of solidarity with Ukraine be seen as or treated any differently?
I'm with you on this btw, well apart from "they should find another Club" bit ?

2.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 18:30:18
Celtic wore red socks in the 1970 European cup semifinals against Leeds due to a clash of kits both teams were asked and big jock said we will were the red stockings only time I think Celtic have worn socks outside our traditional colours.

3.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 19:38:33
HH - I just had look on e-bay and they have Celtic programmes from the 50's onwards. You could take a look and see if you recognise them and take a trip through memory lane.

Also, HH, it's not your club, unless you are DD in disguise! My issue with the flying of flags is have you stopped to consider who actually plays for Celtic? Abada and Biton currently do and I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are alone together - hardly welcoming for them to the "Celtic Family" is it?

Hahahaha HH - maybe you could find me another club!

{Ed007's Note - Or how does CCV feel about fans waving Japanese flags? How do all those German, Argentinian or Serbian players feel about Union Jack's being waved at stadiums in the UK? Remember we live in a country where the Irish flag is seen as offensive with a large portion of the population.
We're entering the realms of the crackpots that complained because a pub had a Japanese flag flying with that kind of rubbish imo.
Celtic's fans support of Palestine doesn't seem to have bothered Bitton, he's been here nearly 10 years and would he have talked us up to Abeda if it was a problem?}

4.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 20:25:30
Ed ?

Stubbsie .
You are simply wrong, it IS my club, and always will be. DD is only the current custodian of the majority of shares. That can change in a heartbeat as Abramovich has now realised.

I just hope and pray that no matter who is playing for them and from wherever (all are welcome) , and no matter who holds the majority shareholding, Celtic and their true core fans continue their proud tradition of calling out and highlighting the injustices in this unjust world.

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5.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 21:02:50
Not sure a war that ended 80 years ago is going to bother CCV! Maybe the idiotic crackpots you speak of though who see a crusade in anything that moves them off their rabid convictions might.

Germans, Argentinians and Serbian players would just have to suck it up - UK people flying a UK flag in the UK - who would have thought eh? I am guessing it was no surprise to any of those to see a UK flag in the UK. I know when I have visited those 3 countries that it was certainly no surprise to me!

The Irish flag is not seen as "offensive" by the vast majority of people here. It is the crackpots with agendas that see it that way. That flag flies quite happily over many, many hotels here without any issue (well from the normal amongst us anyway! ) . In all my years on this earth I have never had anyone tell me that the Irish flag is offensive in private life. I have a Scottish flag currently flying on my flagpole and if I changed it to an Irish tricolour tomorrow I could guarantee it would not cause a single ripple. Maybe it's because I live on the "civilised" side of the country! I have heard of rabid dogs with clearly defined anti Irish agendas make a fuss over it - but they were thankfully told to bolt. I appreciate personal experiences may vary though.

I can't tell you if it bothered Bitton or not - perhaps he just remained a professional about it outwardly but I can tell you he wasn't doing an eightsome reel when he got home. Maybe he told Abada that it was just a view held by a few Celtic crackpots and not indicative of the majority view - how would we know? I used to work in a building that flew the Union Flag everyday - I never made a fuss either - I just got on with what I was paid to do.

Just so we are clear here - if you guys want to fly a huge flag that represents a view I don't share then I respect your right to do that - I just don't have to toe your party line.

Who knows? Maybe I'm the only Celtic fan that thinks that way?

{Ed007's Note - I'm not even going to get into all this again, we've been over it 100 times over the years.}

6.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 21:27:33
Stubbsie
You are (or erstwhile seemed to be) an intelligent person. Please don’t hijack the issue. This is not about flying flags or embarrassing any particular nationality of people. It is simply about the Celtic fans traditition of highlighting injustice, even in times when it did not/ does not seem prudent to do so.

The discussion has nothing to do with the tricolour. I only mentioned it as a HISTORICAL incidence of the clubs traditional immersion in politics.

Please remember the original post was quite simply a suggestion that Celtic and its fans continue a long founded tradition of support for the oppressed and politically downtrodden NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE.

Ed . You are quite right . we should let it go . sorry for bringing it up.

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7.) 10 Mar 2022
10 Mar 2022 21:53:35
Ed - coolio chief - I don't think we are being belligerent here - just swapping ideas. It might seem that way in the printed version though!

HH - you are correct - it IS more your club than the guy that holds the shares - I have no doubt believing you have invested a lot more than mere cash in Celtic over the years. My comment wasn't meant to be taken literally but but rather with a pinch of mirth. I would rather go for a pint with the likes of you than DD if all we were to do was talk about Celtic that's for sure.

I am fully versed in Celtic being a bit anti establishment HH and have read a wee bit of it's history too!

I wasn't aware I was "hijacking" anything - merely moving on and widening the scope the conversation. As Ed has suggested - let's leave it at that.

8.) 11 Mar 2022
11 Mar 2022 06:47:16
Blue socks? ?.

9.) 11 Mar 2022
11 Mar 2022 07:33:09
Well said Ed.

Many people do not realise that the media are manipulating them and manufacuring their consent. The portrayal of what is happening in Ukraine is a prime example.

Before, I say what I am about to say, it is worth pointing out that I feel sorry for the people of Ukraine, as they are caught in the middle of a fight between Putin and Biden.

What is happening in Ukraine, could have been easily avoided. Many people may not be aware that the US spent 5 billion dollars destabilising the political system in Ukraine. They supported extreme far right groups, armed them and encouraged them to overthrow the government. This has been going on for well over a decade and was only put on the back burner when Trump got into power.

Now, I am not defending Putin or Russia but that is not to say that I don't understand his motives. Looking at it from a Russian perspective, what would you do if a key part of your economy was being taken off you, your historical enemy was about to take over a country on your border and put weapons there, that would threaten your countries security?

Actually I don't need to ask that as we saw what America would do at the Bay of Pigs when Russia moved nukes close to their border.

What we are actually seeing here is US expansionism and Russia retaliating against a bully. Sadly Ukrainian people are being sacrificied and caught in the middle of this geopolitical struggle.

If we are genuinely concerned for the people of Ukraine, then we should be writing to our MPs and protesting, so that our government isolates the US, speaks out against their role in this and encourage both sides to reach a peaceful solution. While we are at it we should be doing the same for the people of Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Libya to name but a few.

10.) 11 Mar 2022
11 Mar 2022 08:51:28
Ange
I one hundred per cent agree with everything you say. I abhor American/ Western imperialism as much as I abhor British Imperialism.
The situation in the Ukraine could have and should have been politically avoided.
But not a lot of that is the fault of the Ukrainian people caught in the middle. It could have been any country even us, so they have my total sympathy as do all peoples of the world who are victims of external aggression.
We must chose our politicians more wisely, and you are right, we should lobby them to let them understand the depth of our displeasure.

Ed. Thanks for not putting up my last post on this thread. It was written in haste and with no little anger. You did me a great service. Thanks again
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{Ed007's Note - No probs ??