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04 Sep 2020 10:41:56
Think the Christian Atsu thing is picking up speed. I heard from a decent source that he might be in Town on Monday. We want loan with 4million buy clause at end, they want 6 million and a sale right away, but a compromise is on the horizon. Celtic don't want it to drag on like Shane Duffy.

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04 Sep 2020 12:12:59
Don't really rate this guy as he flatters to deceive any time I've seen him. Maybe he will do better in the SPL and get his confidence? Or maybe we should just have went back for Roberts instead ha ha.

04 Sep 2020 12:31:35
Joking aside I'd prefer Roberts C_M.

04 Sep 2020 12:45:48
I've never really seen him play but at a glance his stats are pretty abysmal. Transfermarkt, while not always totally accurate, has him down for 22 club goals and 27 club assists in his entire career.

04 Sep 2020 14:15:05
Not that much different to paddy roberts then Kev, who they have down for 25 goal and 37 assists.

04 Sep 2020 14:22:13
Though paddy has played a lot less games.

04 Sep 2020 16:06:54
Honestly don't want roberts anywhere near celtic park, I don't get what the big fuss is about him.
Like many others he was brilliant in his first full season when opposition teams didn't know his capabilities but was found out the 2nd season and didn't really do that much, wouldn't fit into the team anyway with a consistent Forrest and christie.

He's been at girona, norwich and middlesbrough and hasn't exactly set the world alight so think we should put his name to bed.

04 Sep 2020 17:02:46
Disagree with every bit of that. Woukd 5ake him back 8n a heartbeat. He was and probably still is better than Forrest.

04 Sep 2020 17:08:54
Paddy's also a good few years younger Kev. Although you could argue that the majority of his goals and assists came when he played for us so maybe he'd improve coming back up. Is there interest in Roberts again?

04 Sep 2020 17:09:07
MarkM88 agree with you regarding Roberts.

04 Sep 2020 17:16:19
To say paddy is better than forrest is just nonsense.

04 Sep 2020 18:37:05
Paddy Robert's better than Forrest is a bizarre statement.

04 Sep 2020 19:31:07
Magicpole, is that why roberts couldn't get a game ahead of Forrest and was on the bench the majority of the time?

Granted Forrest can be hot and cold at times but in the past 4 seasons he's consistently hit 15 goals a season plus with many assists to his name, something roberts failed to really do was stay consistent.

By all means I'm not saying he's a bad player, I just think he's overrated from the majority of celtic fans and isn't as good as made out to be, like I said he got found out in his second loan season up here, yet Forrest continuously produces over the course of a season, Forrest ahead of roberts all day long for me. stats don't lie.

04 Sep 2020 20:17:45
Forrest is a fraud last week summed him up pathetic in the high pressure multi million pound champions league qualifier cowardly performance . he hid just like he does when we play them from across the city and any time we’re up against it. then turns up against bottom of the league a few days later. then we’re told about his stats yawn yawn banging then in against st Johnstone’s and Ross counties . blah blah blah.

04 Sep 2020 23:23:04
Completely disagree. Home to bayern munich in champions league forrest was exceptional. Also that goal away to Rosenberg plus the late winner in the CL playoff not to forget his hat trick for scotland when we needed him. Agree he hasn't done it against them enough but this is a guy who scores in cup finals/ semi finals. Also scores a great equaliser in Rome. The forrest haters need to get a grip. He is a one club man who has been brilliant for us. Ryan Giggs didn't turn up every week. Was he rubbish as well? Roberts would be a good alternative option. Different players.

05 Sep 2020 00:33:40
The competition from Roberts made Forrest up his game. Roberts was in his shadow 2nd loan stint here though.

05 Sep 2020 10:27:30
I think Paddy is better, more consistent and his final ball is better too. That doesn't mean Forrest is bad, just for me Paddy is better. James has always been inconsistent, that situation improved only after Robert's made a competition for the Jersey. There is no competition now and so far this year he has been poor.

05 Sep 2020 13:43:04
Vin1 and magicpole, what a load of bollocks. To say Forrest isn't consistent after continuously producing year after year is just ridiculous.

How can you say roberts is more consistent? His stats were terrible most of the time and couldn't get a game ahead of Forrest because he was playing that well, say what you want about forrest but he's done it in big games over the years and been one of our best players.

{Ed007's Note - Done it in big games you say?

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05 Sep 2020 22:36:40
Need to correct you there, doing it in big games doesn't necessarily mean goals and assists, it's his overall performance that should be looked at.

How many big games has brown been amazing in? Doubt there were many goals and assists in there but his performance during those games were brilliant, same could be said for the likes of Lennon in his day.

It annoys me when players constantly get judged on stats instead of taking performances into account, to say he's been hiding in big games just because he didn't score or assist is just bull, if that was the case then even the best of footballers haven't turned up in big games either, stats are important to compare, but performance is what counts.

06 Sep 2020 09:49:36
Deary me where do u start with that reply! your whole argument was how good his stats were and poor Roberts were?
now after seeing them stats from Ed and seeing how poor they are in big games people using stats annoy you?
And your counter argument is that defensive midfielders brown and Lennon never scored many goals?
Tell me again who’s talking bollocks?

{Ed007's Note - Not just any bollocks either, that was M & S luxury total bollocks.}

06 Sep 2020 11:05:24
How much money did we make from the rosenburg goal? Hh.

06 Sep 2020 11:08:03
Browns position isn't about goals and assists it's about preventing them and setting players like Forrest ect off on attack. It's no secret that Forrest is continuously an empty Jersey against the Rangers I just didn't realise it was that bad lol.

06 Sep 2020 13:33:14
Total bollocks if stats are going to be used to determine how good a player really is, performances should just be taken right out of the equation then.

Roberts and Forrest were compared, not only by myself, but the point i made was that roberts performances weren't consistent enough for him to be named as good as Forrest was.

If I need to back up my point of mentioning Lennon and brown as examples instead of it being named as " m and s total bollocks" then fair enough. The point I made is regardless of what position a player is, is that stats alone shouldn't be the only factor to determine how good a player is, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of wingers/ attacking midfielders who have been great players but don't have the greatest of stats, I'm not a know it all but the comments on here seems to be there is some who think they are.

To go back to the original debate of roberts v Forrest, it's down to preference and opinions, but stats and performances don't lie and there's only one winner and that's Forrest.

{Ed007's Note - You've completely lost me now but you obviously know nothing about scouting and coaching if you think the statistics don't matter. You don't need to be a know it all to know that btw, just follow football and pay a bit of attention.}

06 Sep 2020 20:32:10
Ed, at what point did I say that statistics don't matter? If course they matter, all I said was that stats alone shouldn't be used to determine a players credibility and importance.

Like I said I'm not a know at all and haven't claimed either to know about scouting or coaching, far from it, I just think a players performance shouldn't be judged by stats alone regardless of what position they play.

{Ed007's Note - If they've put in a good performance the stats for the game will back that up. If Forrest isn't scoring or assisting in the bigger games what's he doing that makes a good performance when a winger's job is to create chances and score the odd goal?
And remember it's you that said "he's done it in big games over the years" even though I've shown he clearly hasn't.}

07 Sep 2020 16:06:26
Be better just to put an end to this debate as don't think I'm getting my point across.

Yes I did say that Forrest has done it in big games over the years, but I also said stats alone shouldn't be the only factor used.

Example: celtic 1 bayern 2, forrest didn't score that game, I think he did assist mcgregors goal though, but take that assist away he was phenomenal the full game, was always beating his man and being an out ball.

There's been plenty of big games he's played well even though he hasn't scored, assisted or created a chance, plenty of times he's beat his man and made good crosses, it's honestly ridiculous if a footballer is always to be judged on stats alone.

My point isn't being understood though so I'll call a day on this post and move on 👍🏻.

{Ed007's Note - It's probably for the best because you're not making any sense.}







 

 

 
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