Celtic Banter Archive October 09 2013

 

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09 Oct 2013 16:51:55
ED007 I see that the EPL have given each club £200k to support away fans, either by cheaper tickets or help with coach/rail travel.
A few months ago we had a discussion thread on here about Celtic and what they could do to encourage both home and away fans.
I believe the club has a system in place with one of the bus companies in Glasgow for a discounted fare but only for Celtic season ticket holders.
I believe Celtic could do more to attract more away fans to help improve the atmosphere at Celtic Park, we all know some teams only bring a few coachloads through.
Celtic have been generous with their £100 discount off season tickets but nee to do more in the coming seasons.
My idea was along the German clubs approach of offering a one price ticket that covered entry, a programme and a tea/coffee and pie/burger.
Celtic could also approach their supporters club about help with hiring coaches.
I realise it would need to be costed properly, but if successful, it would in the long run, pay for itself by attracting more home/away fans to Celtic Park and spending their money at the ground.
Let's hear everyone else's thoughts including yourself Mr Bond. Timalloy {Ed007's Note - When we first moved back to CP from Hampden you got a bus/rail pass as part of your ST, the club also paid £10 per head to registered supporters club as an alternative. I certainly see the advantages of what you are suggesting.}

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If the club is to help supporters I think they have to start at home and although I wouldn't benefit as I'm a season book holder they should make every home game £20 adult and £5 for kids as I would rather sit beside 55000 bhoys than 40000 as I understand money is hard for families to afford the current pricing
Jim

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Tim . Other teams in the SPL can't really fill their ground so I don't think anything that Celtic would do would entice them to Parkhead . I'm all for getting our own fans back to the ground . I've said all along that when it comes to Thursday Celtic should cut prices and distribute tickets to Schools, youth clubs etc . They also should look at their catering prices which are really expensive especially to adults who come with their kids . I sit in the north stand top tier and find it sad to see nearly a top tier empty and covered with flags and banners when tickets could be distributed to kids etc . The fans are the lifeblood of the club and I honestly think more could be done . DH

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The governing body here is bordering on skint from what I've read, not sure how accurate that is though.

Celtic still sell 40000 ish season tickets and has one of highest matchday revenues in Europe so not sure they will do anything especially when we are screaming at them to buy players, up wages etc.

Everyone is different how they support their team, I live quite near Celtic Park so travel costs are minimal. If i'm in the mood, I can walk.

Celtic are financially healthy this season but we all know that can change so easily over a couple of seasons and this is the harsh reality. We do not have the broadcasting cash of the EPL or the 80million population Germany has.

I always think though other Clubs could do more, I know Kilmarnock offered tickets to Celtic fans the other week for one day only but it wasn't well thought out at all and too little, too late.

You can imagine the outcry from some supporters at Celtic Park if they found out the Club had sold tickets to the away fans for a fiver. Personally it wouldn't bother me if they did let away fans in for his amount if it guaranteed a better turnout.

Look at the Hibs v Hearts Scottish Cup final last year, sold out. So the fan base must be there.

Partick Thistle are selling direct to Celtic fans, they know a lot of Celtic fans will be local and are offering £5 off the next home game so at least they are taking some initiative.

Scottish football is needing a serious overhaul from top to bottom ~ Mrs E

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If the tickets went on public sale for £20 pound then I would be cheaper going and buying my tickets separate as it would cost less than my season ticket and that's with £ 100 off. Agree something needs done to encourage more through gates but still need to play fair with the season ticket holder

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Has to start with discussions with supporters clubs and getting them to bring a mate, bring back someone who stopped attending, etc.
Subsidizing a second bus etc. For additional show ups. start bringing wife and kids. Busses for schools. Talk to teachers who might need subsidy to bring kids. Get sky, STV, BBC, radio Clyde who make fortunes from football to put something back.

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@ Mrs E . I'm in a similar position as yourself in that I'm from the east end and don't have to get buses etc as I'm only 15mins walk . As a season book holder I wouldn't be fussed if tickets were reduced on the Thursday to bring people in . Dundee Utd let kids under 16 in for £3 . There's other clubs who let under 16 free . Surely it's an incentive to sell tickets for say £20 and bring your kids say 2 max free . Kids wil always want a drink crisps etc so do a decent price for the catering and it might pay dividends . My own dream would be to bring back standing for the whole of the bottom sections of the park . I can dream . DH

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I agree with DH regarding catering prices, as an example, on my way to the morton game I bought a cup of tea from one of the catering vans outside celtic park, plastic cup, tea bag, and hot water
cost £1-00, same inside stadium cost £2-20, please celtic justify the price difference.If that is not ripping off fans i don't know what is.jimbhoy.

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@4 a season ticket consists of 19 league 1 friendly 1 European and 1 cup match which would be £440 for non season tickets to attend all matches which would compare with season ticket prices that may sound a bit unfair but season ticket holders can have the best seats and know they have a ticket that guarantees juve barca etc all non season ticket holders have to gamble on that
Jim

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@DH I agree, they could reduce the price for kids with an adult ticket for domestic games.

The price of the Champions League 3 game package was very reasonable and you could not argue with it. My 7 year olds season ticket was £50 which I'm not going to grumble at.

Jim, my only gripe is the catering, its way too expensive.

The amount of fans Celtic has though, you can't please all of them all of the time and some folk are just serial complainers ~ Mrs E

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DH, I 100% agree, I wouldn't pay a score to sit and watch a game, I remember thinking yonks ago that I wished Celtic Park was more like the old White Hart Lane, upper sitting, lower standing, perfection for a good atmosphere,,, Algarvebhoy

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@8 is there always 19 games at home with the way the split works, not sure. The friendly normally a mince game nobody interested in if it was a big team fair enough. We only get a European match free if its not a big game and were expected to sail through, think we had to pay for arsenal as an example, cup game a was in Santa ponsa for Morton game didn't no it was free but ud probably got a ticket for bout £12, plus there isn't always a home cup game. Even if it that was worth £440 that's how much I pay with my discount. A would say season ticket holders deserve a bit of loyalty as in shouldn't be paying more for there tickets than someone in a public sale. If some1 wants there chance of the big games then simple bug a season ticket

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Ok will think as I type.

£100 at start of season buys you your season card, this gives you guarantee for a ticket in your seat for big games like the CL and against our fiercest rivals Inverness. It also gives you £10 off european tickets 1 european qualifier ticket and 3 domestic cup games. Also allows free entry to any home friendlies and also throw in a cheap celtic keyring, a foam finger or a mini hoopy the huddlehound nodding figure or some tat like that :)

There is then 3 tiers of pricing on top of this, £10 in the currently deemed poorest seats, £15 standard and £20 for other seats in places where its usually a bit dearer already. So that's 3 clear prices for a full season book assuming 18 home games - £280, £370 and £460. Keep kids ones similar to now and other concessions need considered. 10,000 tickets of each type brings in 11.1 mil or there abouts. I say that's not too shabby.

This leaves price range for a seasons viewing slightly lower than it is now but perhaps with a few more incentives for taking on a season ticket Also makes it a bit cheaper for folk to walk in off the street and not be fleeced. Yes they could watch all games for less overall however there are no benefits of season ticket.

This does hit on some of the clubs current earning a bit but if any of it can encourage more folk to just turn up then it could balance out in an ideal world.

Theres no easy solution.

We can however just say eff it, £10 a head and no season books and have a free for all for tickets, that might be fun!

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I don't buy a season ticket to get a better deal than non season ticket holders I don't want a non season ticket holder to pay more than me just because he/she can't afford it they are still celtic fans like me and you. As for 19 league games not guaranteed might be 18 or 20 on odd season. Cup ticket is scottish cup Morton was £12. Catering is a joke would rather outsell to mcd/bk/Gregg's where pricing is same as outside ground

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I cannot attend many games due to work so I usually get to around 10 home games a season. What really annoys me is I purchase my tickets online as soon as I know that I am able to go to a game. If I buy them early enough they get posted to me at home, this costs £1.50. If I only find out I can go in the days before the game I use the print at home option and it costs £1.75. How can they charge me £1.75 for printing my ticket on my printer using my ink!

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A don't want a cheaper ticket a just don't want to be paying more

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Next home game is £ 26 adult £17 kids monkey bhoy that means £86 for a family of 4 so you can expect 15000 empty seats again. I think that is too much for walk up families my pricing would cost £ 50 before food etc and no one expects season ticket holders to pay more obviously thing would require tweeking but north stand lower would expect to pay more than jock stein upper and walk up fans would have lesser quality seats but might add 5000 to attendance
Jim

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A wouldn't expect to pay £17 for a child's ticket a think that's wrong especially if there season tickets go for way less than £100. My season ticket is normally £550 with my Ghirls it is £500 they didn't give me the full £100 off.
Think clubs and schools could be given tickets .
But I also don't see why adults shouldn't be paying the going rate, if they have some sort of disability then they get a discount fine with that.

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09 Oct 2013 15:29:01
On seeing the headlines in today's papers with regards to the SPFL considering relegation for clubs going into administration rather than a points deduction, I was thinking that these measures are maybe being put in place to prevent the scenario of Newco FC racing into a 30 point lead in the league, then going into administration and taking the 25 point deduction and still gaining promotion while bemoaning the SPFL for putting the boot into them yet again, what's your views on the proposals Ed? Drewzybhoy . {Ed007's Note - I don't think it is being considered because of The Rangers/Sevco/Newclub situation but I do think it has came to the fore because of what happened at Rangers. I think it is a great idea, I have always felt the punishment for such serious financial mismanagement was far too lenient. I personally know a couple of player's some staff that were made redundant at Motherwell years ago, and everyone knows someone who has lost their job, the guys at the top who are to blame get off scot free while people further down the chain are looking at losing their home etc. Not all footballers are millionaires, some of them are no better off than a well paid mid-management position in some sectors. Look at Ian Black, he had to go out painting & decorating and betting against his own team to try and make ends meet.
Did you read The Telegraph's piece on it? Another paper that is now starting to tell the truth about Rangers overdue death. How many of the liquidated clubs are still in existence today?:

www.goo.gl/1ph5vr

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I think this rule is not to be applied until next season which would allow 2nd admin this season for sevco with the view to start afresh for the next 2 years with no debt

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I was told today Lord sugar said admin should mean the end of a club. Finished. Failure. Dead. Out of all leagues never to return. He's 100% correct.
Admin is a way of football club complete failure, abandoning creditors and contract holders and starting again with same club, history, honours, assets. Utterly ridiculous.

SEVCO have even tried to make full LIQUIDATION look like an admin only.

Looking at Hearts on negative points, it's a ridiculous joke.

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Administration = football club complete failure = should be end of club in all honesty.

Managing a football club is all about managing a business first, successfully, then secondly about managing successful football. Smith doesn't get that. Fergus McCann got it and managed it really well.

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Key word being 'fatally'.

Melb Bhoy

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09 Oct 2013 14:57:08
WS in the rags giving the harbinger of doom lines he gave before the first admin.
Same break it to them Walter, mention admin as the tool to go forward. more pain to come.
Did he talk on the phone to King yesterday? Did King tell him what mathers had laid out?
From what WS in the rag is saying, it has to be Admin for this second club and a restart. Otherwise why those lines?
Changing out the board doesn't change the situation. P Murray and McColl aren't putting money in so all they could do is drastic cut backs. It needs an extra £20m a year every year above income.
They've tried to chase Celtic and build a premiership quality side far too soon.

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09 Oct 2013 10:50:52
The baton is heading for the HOLY GROUND. Could we possibly be the people?

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Hope so, we could all get up and walk out of this corrupt land, out of Egypt.
Ipox getting its numerous plagues sounds good.

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I think Sammy at least resembles Moses ;)
ParadiseAndy
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Wish he could part a defence like he could the sea

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09 Oct 2013 01:39:06
Ed could you let me know what iam(kbarry) being accused/slandered of by jo88 OP? About Mole? Stuart?Because it doesn't sound too nice to me infact(due to the replies, jimll fixit etc) it sounds quite infact very and I say "sounds" serious to me. Thanks mate, ., .kbarry {Ed007's Note - I have explained it elsewhere KB.}

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Dont worry kb, it was all in jest and nothing serious or slanderous. Also it had nothing to do with any sort of sick stuff either. Apologies if you have taken it the wrong way.

joeshmo1888

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KBarry, a mole a traitor a spy, sweet blessed Mother Mary and all the Saints, sure isn't he from Cork, he knows what they do to traitors there, sure they shot Michael Collins and he was one of our own!. Kbarry be scared, be very scared!!! {Ed007's Note - My family is originally from Cork, they left there when my dad was still a toddler. The worst thing about the place is their 'famous' black pudding, I hate the stuff and don't know how anyone can eat any black pudding.
I'd bet my last £ that KB isn't the cuckoo in our nest. Some people might not agree with what he says or the way he says it but nobody can question his loyalty to CFC.}

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Ok ok ok I admit it. its me.

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spiv

God save the lizards

n all that. {Ed007's Note - What if it is me that is the mole, in a kind of Fight Club schizophrenia scenario? I could always just say my 'account was hacked', another battle-cry they use to cover up their open bigotry and sectarianism.}

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Ah Jaysus Ed, never knew you were one of us, what you don't like Black Pudding, pigs blood and all other unsavory bits, what about Murphy's Stout, pigs krubeens, Tripe & drisheen and our superiority complex, and don't tell me you don't like Tanora! We'll have to get you a Langer Passport. What part of Cork was your father from? Clonakilty?. {Ed007's Note - Yes Clonakilty, I still have nightmares about that black pudding, and you can keep your packet and tripe! I don't drink so it would be Tanora over Murphy's for me. I remember when I was about 3/4 getting taken to a beach that was called after a castle (??) and freezing my wee peas off with the wind at the place, my uncle had the cheek to go and bye us ice-cream!! I think I cried it was that cold.
I don't have a superiority complex though, I'm more arrogant than that, I know I am superior. :)

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Possibly Clay Castle Ed?. Was that visit to the beach with your uncle in the height of summer!. Must say I'm partial to the old pudding myself but ain't eating sheeps stomach or pigs feet for the love of God. Next time your home you must get your picture taken with the big fella in the square and put it up on the dodgy Celtic sightings page! {Ed007's Note - That name sounds familiar and yes it was summer, or supposed to be! The statue is well overdue and from pictures I have seen they have made a good job of it. I only have a few cousins left over there now but if I am ever visiting I will give you a shout, as long as we don't go near that bloody beach!}

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Carlow isn't famous for all that much in terms of distinct irish products but we did have our own fizzy drinks maker called Corcorans their red lemonade was immense.Cork folk are known as langers as we all know in Carlow we are called scallion eaters I actually hate scallions ha
Gally {Ed007's Note - Aren't scallions just another name for spring onions or syboes? I thought langers meant drunk Gally, is that right?}

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Yeah scallions are spring onions carlow was known as a big scallion producing area and we used to eat them in large amounts as for langer cork folk tend to use it as an affectionate term for eijit. The rest of ireland seems to have latched on to langer as a term to refer to cork folk as banter i'm not in any way saying cork folk are eijits ha I have a lot of respect for them.But they do like their famous quip of the peoples republic of cork that they like to be seen as different/superior.
Gally {Ed007's Note - I'd probably vouch for some of my relations falling into the 'eejit' category.}

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09 Oct 2013 19:55:13
Now 007 we are only human. Take it from me - I was actually wrong once (i thought I was wrong about something, but it turned out I was right). pea

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Yer feckin crazy if ye don't like black pudding. Its grand.
ParadiseAndy
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