Celtic Banter Archive June 09 2015

 

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09 Jun 2015 17:09:19
1st season under RD done and dusted.
Given where he started and where he finished what are the thoughts of how well/or not, he has done?.
Does anyone still have doubts or await to see how he does this season?
Having looked at the Video ED posted regarding his seminar, I thought it was inspirational and can't remember when we had anyone of his type at the helm.

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09 Jun 2015 17:41:50
I think he is progression as far as the club goes AND IF Pedro backs him in the transfer market and IF RD has 100% say in who comes in then I am looking forward to next year. BUT a lot of IFs
As far as RD the manager goes I am more than happy he is here

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09 Jun 2015 21:50:06
I have always been a fan of Deila and knew that it would take time for the players to get fit enough and improve their passing to make his system work. However, I do think he needs to prove he has what it takes in Europe and I just hope his system is flexible enough to switch to defensive mode when necessary.

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09 Jun 2015 22:18:07
In my case ,the jury's still out,as an inspirational speaker ,going by that video,RD is very very good,but as a manager i've still to be convinced,the diet and the fitness thing should be a given,they're professional athletes,or meant to be,they should be doing that on their own,RD picked a lot of wrong team formations during the season,played players in the wrong positions,played the wrong tactics,there were some terrible performances during the season,but the guestion is was that all part of RDs way of getting the team to play the way he wanted,or did he just get lucky at the end with some good performances,I eagerly await the new season to see which way it goes,I hope RD proves to be the manager that I hoped he'd be when I heard he'd been appointed and gets rid of my doubts. (ps if they let VVD go for anything less than £20million,they are as dumb as the ones buying season books over at ibrokes,without anybody putting any investment in.)

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09 Jun 2015 23:10:18
Come on Aindoh!

Are you really doubting over the course of the season we have not shown progression? It is an overhall of NL team, who were slacking in fitness, cantering to the league. Now we have players who are showing marked improvement and with the addition of SA and GMS competition is kicking in. The only reason we did not white wash the league was a transition, should the squad stay together and with another few valuable additions we will romp the SPL next season. RD's fitness and '24 hour' athletes has been embraced by the squad and we will be able to be dominant in the 60 or 70 games a club needs to play domestically and in Europe. VVD will be a £10m player - he has not proven himself yet in the big league like Wanyama did. If he stays another year and progresses like he is doing we will be coining it in!

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09 Jun 2015 23:42:47
come on shottsbhoy did you not notice the difference in the team when SA and GMS were introduced,they looked good without all this RD diet and training bs,in fact I would say they transformed celtics season,i am going to wait till next season to see if there is any 'improvement',i know the first season is a transformation season and that is why my jury is still out,i await the new season.

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{Ed007's Note - I can't understand why the only people who still have a problem with RD dragging the club into the 21st century is CFC fans, in places like Italy, Spain and Germany what RD expects from his players is normal, why should we allow or even expect our players to do any less? At clubs like Real Madrid, Barca, Ajax Bayern Munich etc etc players don't need their manager to tell them how to eat and train, they've been doing it for years, it's all normal to them, even the English are catching up!
If it's good enough for teams like that it's good enough for CFC and it's all a very important part of the modern game.
I said it on here long before RD took over, we might not have players that can match Ronaldo for skill but why shouldn't our players match him for fitness, are you saying Ronaldo's fitness levels doesn't help him play consistently at the level he does? I don't remember seeing Ronaldo tire as a game went on, that's nothing to do with his ability is it?
Personally I thought both SA and GMS - amongst others - faded as the season went into the latter stages and as for the them not needing 'RD diet and training bs', after SA had to be subbed against Aberdeen three days after the Inter match RD said:

‘It was cramp, he’ll be okay for St Johnstone. It was a sign that he is not strong enough yet. You have to think of the mental and physical loading on a player.

Just coming to Celtic - dealing with the contract, the media and so on - used a lot of mental energy in Gary and Stuart.

Then the training is at a much higher tempo then they have been used to before. The total loading gets too much.'

Armstrong himself said in February:

'It was a bit of an eye opener to see just how fit the boys here are, if I can get to that level in a few weeks' time I will be delighted.

In one of the first training sessions, we played a big game. It was up and down - relentless. I was thinking 'bloody hell - this is actually quite hard!'

"That was a bit of a shock to the system. A few days in, the sports scientist said to myself and Gary to watch what we were doing and to ease our way in. He's been great with us and has looked after us really well.

I think I didn't quite realise how hard the boys work until I came here. In training and the games, it's phenomenal the amount of work we put in.

To get the ball back when we lose it so quickly is the way we are dominating games.

It's definitely not easy. It's a lot of work and I was absolutely knackered after the game.

Once I get to the levels of fitness that the rest of the team have, my performances will definitely improve.'

10 Jun 2015 01:03:25
Aindoh! I think you are just trying to get a reaction . There is no comparison between the team that ended the season and the team that started the season , mostly same personnel , complete different performances .

Of course Lawwell will back Deila , he has already showed his backing by allowing Deila to bring in back room assistants and medical team and equipment . If Deila comes up with the right targets and can help Lawwell to bring them into Celtic at a fee and wages that Celtic can afford, there is no indication that Lawwell won't back him .

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10 Jun 2015 01:23:50
@Shotts, shown progression from what? The farce that was the CL qualifiers and the start to the league.Of course we have progressed from that we were terrible. That wudnt be difficult. Did we gain more points in the league? No. Did we win more trophies? OK we won a league cup though a double is never beyond us. Did we score more goals? No. Are we more entertaining? Maybe yes but that is an opinion not a fact. Did we do better in Europe? Absolutely not. Before everyone starts this is not a dig at RD its simply facts.Its too easy to say if this if that.Its complete nonsense. let's be realistic about this RD will not be judged on domestic success, he will be judged on Europe it is our only benchmark to see how we are progressing not to mention the financial side of it.Remember he took over a dominating team that had won the league by January and a CL team to a team that struggled to shake off Aberdeen and barely got to the Europa league.I am defo a fan of RD but let's not cloud our judgement to suit our needs.We were beaten by a poor Inter team who got a severe beating in the next round but some people say if only we had beat them who knows where we could a got. Its laffable. Europe remembers these results but nobody in Europe gives a flying feck if we beat St. Mirren the week before.My whole point here is RD is doing well so far but has achieved nothing yet.A celtic manager who wins the league without a Rangers in it achieves nothing. Let him achieve something before we start lauding him.

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10 Jun 2015 01:28:25
Said after the inter away tie SA needs a bit time in the gym or working on cardio. Think he has a lot of work to do to get in CAM infrint of Johansen. Johansen is THE example of what a season or two under RD can turn you into. The best is yet to come

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10 Jun 2015 08:34:21
Sack him, bring back Lennon 😜

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10 Jun 2015 08:57:57
@ Rayman - I was going to reply, but you were totally contradicting yourself mate? You asked several questions as to disagree with my points but validated them in the next sentence?

"@Shotts, shown progression from what? The farce that was the CL qualifiers and the start to the league.Of course we have progressed from that we were terrible. That wudnt be difficult.
Did we gain more points in the league? No. Did we win more trophies? OK we won a league cup though a double is never beyond us.
Did we score more goals? No. Are we more entertaining? Maybe yes but that is an opinion not a fact."

See what I mean? And for your point of let him achieve something, A double in his first year so close to the treble? Winning the league comfortably whilst overhauling a squad, showing boldness by introducing new formations, attacking styles and improving fitness across the board, youth development and bringing in the best of Scottish talent. Not a bad first season IMO!

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10 Jun 2015 10:08:28
Yes the team is fitter , yes we play a more entertaining brand of football but some of rds decisions such as starting line ups , substitutions and formation have been wrong , I am talking about the second leg against inter and in the semi against ict in particular. I would have expected a double from any manager that came in , so so far very good but room for improvement.

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10 Jun 2015 10:48:26
I understand you points Aindoh, this season nr two will be very important to him. If he dosnt qualify for CL, if he dosnt get the right players and say vvd goes it could turn out to be really difficult season. Its make or brake for him, but think the team will only improve. Same thing at Godset, the best players where slld to bigger clubs, but he allways managed to get better fitting players in anyhow, with out using to much money.
As ed is pointing out, Armstrong said he was surprised ln how fit the Celtic players where, how much they train an such even when he played celtic with United on several occations before. This season the players are used to the fitness and diet regime, and therefore youdont have to tell them anymore, their more professional and ready for anything. their confidence is much higher, so their more ready for CL qualifying, when last year a whole new manager, lots of injuries. why do you think that is? don't have many injuries in the latter stage of the season?
Spurs in the EPL is a perfect example. The have thursday night EL, so they are usually to tired to get a good run in the EPL in the weekend. If you look at Celtic last season in the games after Inter borh at home and away, the results where gold anyhow. Why that is? because they can still perform with just two days of rest, at the highest level.

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10 Jun 2015 11:52:41
Soz mate had a few beers last night lol. I was trying to point out the positives as well as the negatives. So progression from what? The season before or from the start of the campaign.As I said we defo progressed from the start as we were terrible, but have we progressed from season before.

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10 Jun 2015 13:40:53
I admit I wasn't sure about RD when he was appointed, I was worried that he was too inexperienced to be manager of a club the size of Celtic. As the season progressed though I have been more and more impressed with him, and I really enjoyed the football we were playing towards the end of the season.
I think the main problem though, is that the Champions league qualifiers, start so early in our season that any new players can take a couple of months to get up to full fitness, by that time we could be out of Europe. What should be pre season friendlies, are in fact season defining matches for us.
If RD can get round this and qualify for the Champions League, he will get all the plaudits but if we don't, there are bound to be people saying he can't do it in Europe.
I really hope he succeeds.

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10 Jun 2015 15:08:34
@Rayman - no worries mate I was enjoying a nice bottle of rock the hoose juice too lol!

I reckon his biggest test this season will be CL qualifiers, let's hope we are ready this time.

5 in a row by Christmas anyone?

HH

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10 Jun 2015 16:17:09
@rayman here we go again! We never qualified for CL cause team was pi$her than last season due to injuries and relying on players who quickly were banished from team.

And before you go on about "last season clean sheet record" il remind you once again, that record involved a lower standard of teams participating in SPL compared to CL standard

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10 Jun 2015 17:36:57
@Shotts I been saying all along mate that his test will be CL.If he gets there then all credit to him. But if he fails his shirt will be on a shoogly peg. @ DN do you really want to go there again lol. Stop making excuses for him it was bad end of. WE didn't qualify. Season before we did. that's not progression. Every season the manager(doesn't matter who it is) has to endure losin players and tryin to get players in on time. Its been like that for years.

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12 Jun 2015 22:21:26
I think Deila came in and the way he went about his duties took , the board , the players and the fans by surprise . Unlike Lennon , who I thought did a good enough job in the circumstances, Deila came in and showed he was boss. , he was hardly a wet weekend in Glasgow before he let everyone know he wanted a full sized indoor football pitch . He got two players he wanted at Christmas and a highly rated centre half at the start of this window . The players soon learned it was his way or else out . Within a few weeks he got rid of one player who wasn't noted for his love of training .
Other players grumbled but within months they had bought into his lifestyle and training methods . The team turned around their style to a hard pressing high up the field and quick passing . Fans were worried team went out of Champions League , not once but twice. Eventually the team started to blend together and we got new heroes like Biton . After a win against Aberdeen , coming back with 10 men , he introduced the Celtic fans to the Ronny roar . The away fans were won over , and soon the home fans . Even the Celtic forums are down to the very odd negative questioner.

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09 Jun 2015 13:24:31
Safe standing area to be introduced!im all for it personally
Only 2500 capacity so how does this area get filled?id be confident in saying there is a lot more than that willing to move!fair play to Peter Lawell though on this one as he's stuck at it after being rejected on several occasions!Interesting to hear other thoughts!

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09 Jun 2015 14:45:03
Is it not going to the area held by the green brigade?

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09 Jun 2015 15:08:45
sorry at section 111 where the green brigade are?

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09 Jun 2015 16:07:53
No why would it be solely for the green brigade?we are all supporters on your renewal pack it asked if you would be interested in safe standing,it's a great idea!

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09 Jun 2015 16:28:50
Not saying it should be just thought I read that some where that was the area they were looking at? but I could be wrong

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09 Jun 2015 21:52:43
Really glad this is going to happen and if it were up to me, I would make the whole bottom tier standing apart from old stand.

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10 Jun 2015 01:06:41
Rabmac , I , for one am glad that it isn't up to you . At my age I prefer to sit and watch the game and I don't think I am the only one . By all means have a stand where people can stand and then let's see if there is further demand .

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09 Jun 2015 05:51:22
See that Sunderland are going to try and use Steven Fletcher plus money for Big Virgil not sure what price range we are talking don't know how much they value Fletcher at what do yous think is it a good deal for us personaly it like to keep him and look for a younger striker who's not injury prone.

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09 Jun 2015 09:11:41
I'd rather have the extra cash but if this is what its going to be, £15m + Fletcher. The onus should be on them, they want a deal, they have the money to spend.

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09 Jun 2015 11:44:04
Premiership teams chuck stupid money about but not that stupid. We'd be doing well to get 7 or 8 plus Fletcher. Virgil really hasn't impressed in the big games at all this season.

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09 Jun 2015 13:02:36
I've seen more spent on worse though kev. I agree about the big gamez but if hey wanna buy him then they should pay what we want. And they can't go thinking throwing Fletcher in should knock several million off. He'll be on double Virgils wage and that only makes us worse off so they'd have to account for that too.

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09 Jun 2015 13:28:10
The reason they pay more for worse is because other teams in the Premiership can afford to knock back reasonable/fair prices because they are awash with money. We don't have that luxury and often have to accept a bid which we feel is not on a par with other, similar transfers. We are in a decent financial position atm and have been doing a bit better with fees recently but no matter how good one of our players is we will never get as big a fee as a Sunderland or West Brom would get for the same player. Hopefully we keep Virgil until at least January though

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09 Jun 2015 16:06:36
£10m + Fletcher . £13 m without Fletcher . We would need the £3 m to help to pay his wages for 3 years .
I reckon Sunderland's need to sign Virgil is a lot more than our need to sign Fletcher and so they need to pay the money.

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09 Jun 2015 16:14:17
Its just usual paper talk. there's no way we will sign Fletcher in any form. Just speculation to sell newspapers

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09 Jun 2015 16:17:46
There's no chance any team will pay 13 million for vvd! Not going to happen! The EPL clubs will have watched him in Europe for us this season,forget about his SPL performances because it's Europe he'll be judged! And he hardly covered himself in glory in any of the European games this season! Wanyama and big fraser were bought on the back of there European performances,the main one being the barca games! No chance is VVD going to command a fee like that!

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10 Jun 2015 01:07:51
Dan 30 I tend to agree , most likely just paper talk.

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