Celtic Banter Archive January 09 2018

 

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09 Jan 2018 18:47:21
Is that right Ed Rodgers has let Aidan Nesbitt go? Watched him with the youth team maybe 2 years ago and thought he was a prospect. But heh ho whit dae a know that's why BR's paid the big bucks.

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{Ed007's Note - Aidan Nesbitt joined ML Dons last summer mate.}

10 Jan 2018 09:13:34
I’m surprised anybody is surprised our young prospects end up at wee diddy teams. Too much hype and expectations on players who just aren’t good enough.

Every year we hear reports of how great this one is blah blah. I don’t know think any of the current crop of players are good enough. One or two might make it if we don’t progress, but if we do, maybe young Mickey, and only if he toughens up. His core strength is nowhere near what it takes to make it at a high level. If he does he has a chance. The rest to me are bound for diddy teams too.

Some get carried away when they talk about our academy players. It has been a feature for years. We hear how great they are and year after year they dissapear to be replaced by the next group of stars who never cut it either.

The return from our academy is woeful and has been for years. Talking players up who you can see are no bad, but no bad should never be good enough. In the last ten years we have produced Forrest and McGreggir and only Tierney is real class. The rest move on and when you look at them without green coloured specs you know that’s going to happen.

Ok for the Dundee’s of this world, not us if we want to step up.

We still want to step up, don’t we?

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10 Jan 2018 13:13:18
Don't really see the value of academies right now. They must cost a fortune to run and you are correct Magicpole, very very few ever progress to the first team. Money may be better spent scouting players and brining in players who have a better chance. Having said that if you look at the amount we have brought to Celtic who don't cut it even that can be flawed. I am amazed how well GMS has progressed at Aberdeen and we have bought some tosh as well. Maybe it's as simple as buying a better class of player like Ntcham and spending 4 or 5mill on them rather than buying loads of £1m players? Understand the academy's may produce the odd gem but what is the cost of running them. Ed have you any idea how much we spend in the academy set up?

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{Ed007's Note - I have no idea.}

10 Jan 2018 13:12:48
JFP1888, have you heard Elvis is dead? lol HH.

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10 Jan 2018 15:58:33
We sell Tierney and the running cost of the academy is covered for a few years and when a player is brought up in the clubs environment there going to try that extra bit harder.

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10 Jan 2018 16:23:01
Wise up, just now our academy is one of the most productive academies in the Uk we have 3/ 4 playing first team football on a regular basis we have the same almost making first team football and we have half a dozen excellent youngsters progressing just behind .
Our academy is doing a brilliant job.

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10 Jan 2018 19:52:23
Old man chris, in the last 5 years we have 3 first team regulars come from our academy to the first team. Tierney, McGregor and Forrest. The others may have had a few games but are out of the picture or moved on. Other players may come through, Ralston being one but in 5 years there are only 3 regular first team players.

We may be better than most but its a poor return as it is for most clubs but Scottish footballers attract no money. In fact go back 10 years I bet there are only about 6 players to come through. When we release these boys we don't get anything for them and selling Tierney for however millions if it just covers the cost for the last 10 years then what is the point?

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12 Jan 2018 12:03:17
If Old man Chris thinks that 3 players, two of them 25, holding a first team place in the last 8 years is a sign of a "brilliant job", then he is either sadly mistaken or our level of ambition is zero.

If we have the best then god help Scottish fitba.

We have signed another two young players from elsewhere, whose willing to bet they won't get into the team quicker and stay there than our academy player? .

Stats on this show a woeful return. If we improve, sign paddy, then neither mcgreggor or Forrest will be first choice. So, we will have one player. There is not one of the young guys who I have watched is going to keep a jersey anytime soon. When our defence is as woeful as it is and no academy player can step in, suggests to me at least they are even worse. How bad a defender do you need to be not to get a game for us?

Anybody thinking the academy is doing a brilliant job obviously can't bring themselves to criticise anything we do. Tell me old man, what was your position when the majority of us wanted the Kelly board sacked and chased? were you against that? Im interested to now. Do you think it makes you a better supporter not being critical of anything?

Criticising the board, or the team, or the academy is not anti Celtic, its pro us getting better Celtic.

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09 Jan 2018 21:42:09
Watching the Man City - Bristol City game, unlucky wee Bristol beaten by injury time goal, but what about the performances of Mangala and Stones for the blues, both pure mince, and how many millions did Citeh pay for these donkeys lol.

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10 Jan 2018 13:16:05
Timalloy, Happy New Year pal. I watched it as well. What worries me is that Bristol City who have less finances than us can go out and play at Man City and do so well and when we play the bigger teams we get humped. I know Man City didn't have their strongest team out but looking at the Bristol City team last night, I am not too sure we would beat them never mind beat Man City.

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10 Jan 2018 16:25:17
We didn't get humped by Manchester City last season, we drew home and away against much stronger Man City teams .
If you want to ridicule the team we support, please do so with correct facts.

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10 Jan 2018 17:53:44
Eh Man City are miles better than they where last year and we played there rejects at the Etihad

So what’s your point OMC?

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10 Jan 2018 19:54:40
Old man chris, if we played the current Man City team it would be another PSG moment. I am not talking about last season i am talking about now. BRISTOL City did a job. My point is why we can't do the same job in Europe.

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11 Jan 2018 20:10:28
Bristol City have better defenders - simples.

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09 Jan 2018 18:04:04
This is a bit random but was reading an article today and Josh Thompson was mentioned.

Gave him a google and it looks like his football career is only marginally better than mine!

When this guy came on the scene in 2010 I remember looking a bit raw but kinda liked him. Also remember him scoring like 3 times in week.

Anyone remember him looking decent, or was I drunk for his entire, short bhoys career?

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09 Jan 2018 18:14:54
I remember seeing him at parkhead score two against Murderwell.

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09 Jan 2018 22:27:39
Josh Thompson annoyed me so much. I think because he could score a few goals with headers people though he was a defender but I've honestly never seen someone slower on a football park.

I felt some fans were a bit generous with their praise tbh.

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09 Jan 2018 14:02:17
I'm pretty sure Celtic will strengthen this window, Brendan said it himself. People throwing there hands in the air because a certain level of player has not been tied down yet need to chill. I'm really hoping celtic do back the manager and are looking to progress and I'm sure they will. What's eveyone else's thoughts on the current transfer activity? I think like always celtic keep there business quiet, and that's how it will stay.

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09 Jan 2018 21:57:52
We can only buy players whose clubs want to sell and these players want to play for us According to some people on here we should have spent £20 or more on 4/ 5 players
Unfortunately these fans may have spent the money and not made us stronger .
Brendan wants to buy players who will make us a better team, he is not interested in buying players for the sake of pacifying fans.

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09 Jan 2018 22:34:37
Pacifying fans?

In the CL qualifiers we didn't have a recognised striker and we went too long playing a midfielder in defence.

If I were the chairman or the manager of a team like that I would need pacified, nevermind doing it just for the fans.

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09 Jan 2018 22:27:40
A player that can compete with lustig. Another centre half and sell eric. A New keeper in the summer.

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10 Jan 2018 16:50:19
Digibanger, do u think not having a recognised striker or centre half caused us first or second place in Champions League .
Funny enough I have seen teams from the EPL who have had to switch players into unfamiliar position and they have turn over 10 times Celtic .
If a Chairman had to be pacified because a position or two is under strength, I would imagine club has problem.
Not a bit wonder some clubs change manager once or twice a season.

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10 Jan 2018 22:43:11
OMC, Yet again all you do is agree with everything Celtic or their manager does even when it was Ronnie.

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09 Jan 2018 13:03:59
Decent bit of business Brendan done for Liverpool signs coutinho for 8mill and they sell for 142mill nearly as good as the king signing for us.

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{Ed007's Note - If that was the case we would have got about £12 million for Larsson instead of him buggering off to Barca for nothing and with a £1 million bonus that the Club promised and which they then got the fans to cover with an embarrassing and cringey testimonial.}

09 Jan 2018 15:59:14
Spot on ed.

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{Ed007's Note - The way Larsson left has always left a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to him.}

09 Jan 2018 16:08:47
Ed, Can I ask you know how managers get a cut of a profitable fee would BR still be entitled to something from that given he signed him or will Klopp benefit? (Y)

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{Ed007's Note - Rodgers won't be due anything mate.}

09 Jan 2018 17:42:23
Did he just let his contract run down ed trying to remember.

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{Ed007's Note - He had a year on his deal and told the board he intended to see that out and go back to Sweden to play for Helsingborg - Barca and Man Utd both tried to buy him that summer - but the board offered him £1 million bonus to see out his contract with us. He saw out his contract, the board got the fans to pay the bonus and Larsson buggered off to Barca. I've just always felt there was something not quite right about all of it, especially when guys like Petrov signed a new deal to make sure we got top dollar for them.}

09 Jan 2018 18:21:50
Cheers ed definitely a bit off.

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{Ed007's Note - Yep.}

09 Jan 2018 18:48:08
Come on ed, buggered off?, the guy deserved a chance ti win something in europe surely after 7 years with us, scoring two world class headers in seville and missing out, voted second greatest celt ever, think the farewell match was a good thing too n saw him cry real tears that day,

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{Ed007's Note - So why not leave the previous year when the Club could have got serious money for him and why say he was going back to Sweden when it looks like that was never his intention. If you were one of the mugs that was gullible enough to attend his embarrassing testimonial then that was up to you. How do you know his tears were real, were they selling bottles of them at the game?}

09 Jan 2018 23:13:13
Personally I thought Larsson was the exception and earned the right to leave for nothing. That's my recollection of the player leaving at the time who is the greatest ever Celt for me in half a century of watching your team and mine.

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09 Jan 2018 23:14:40
Tbf Larsson was one of the worlds best strikers and gave us 7 of his peak years. Imo he was entitled to leave for free.

much rather 7 years from a world class player, than 2 years and then leave for England.

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09 Jan 2018 23:56:33
Even if he had left for 12 million we wouldn’t have seen any of it so I was happy with one last year of henrik. For me that was priceless. The guy could force feed me soor plooms and it still wouldn’t leave a sour taste in my mouth.

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09 Jan 2018 23:45:22
Henrik larsson what a guy top class on and off the pitch could have left us many times choose to stay thanks for the unforgettable memories king of kings.

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10 Jan 2018 07:24:48
Aye ed i attended the farewell game, and glad i did too say goodbye to a legend of the club who i think in todays world showed loyalty to the club and fans, bottles of tears? 😂😂i would have bought them too😂🇮🇪✌️.

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{Ed007's Note - I am SO happy for you! I'm sure I've got one of his old sweaty headbands somewhere, £250 and you can have it for a w@nk-rag.}

10 Jan 2018 12:41:40
I made the wife wear a Celtic kit a henke false face with dreadlocks and head band greatest few minutes of my life then afterwards watched the 6 2 game ;)

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10 Jan 2018 13:45:52
Hawl ed your beginning to sound like wan ae them😂😉.

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{Ed007's Note - Really? I thought it was 'them' that just accepted getting ripped off by their club and players saying the right things.}

10 Jan 2018 16:22:21
Surely though, you need to count money a player earns you from world class performances. Larsson and co put us back on the map in Europe. Stop 10 in a row and make Celtic the dominant side in Scotland again.

Yet you would throw a huff over a transfer fee his performances paid for 10 times over?

I love a purist as much as the next guy but you may need some kalms haha.

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09 Jan 2018 12:45:20
Hi ED, With the Compper signing primarily for CB but being a cover option for LB and the emergence of Mickey Johnston where do you think that leaves Miller? Would he be deemed as one that would benefit from a loan out in this window? If so would you think part of that deal would mean he has to play LB or his preferred position of LW? Think he could impress on loan in the SPL in his natural position and persuade BR to ditch this attempt to convert in into a LB.

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{Ed007's Note - I've not heard anything about Miller going out on loan but it would be a good idea imo and especially if Rodgers is going to persist with changing him to a LB. And yes, teams can be specific about positions they want players to play in whilst out on loan.}

09 Jan 2018 23:43:33
Appreciate your post ed but Larsson was a hero to our club. You can keep the 11-15 million we may have got at the time to keep him with us a year longer. You can't buy some of the memories the King gave us. The guy was a once in a generation player some fans have been lucky to see the likes of Johnstone, Dalglish, McStay and Larsson but these players don't come around to often so when we get them let's just enjoy the chance we have with players with that quality at our club.

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10 Jan 2018 21:03:52
Shame that really. Would've liked him to get a run in SPL on loan in attack and give Brendan food for thought as he was once considered the best player in the world at his age. Strange one to try convert him to LB. Can't remember if he's ever been out on loan or not but would be good for him to show what he can do week in week out first before converting him to an unnatural position.

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{Ed007's Note - I said at the time I thought it was a bizarre decision too mate. He made some strange decisions like that at Liverpool as well where it was called being 'Brendaned'.}

09 Jan 2018 02:08:10
Was curious find out what my fellow celtic fans would consider a successful transfer window? Who should be sold and who should we buy?

Sell: Henderson, gamboa, sviatchenko.

Loan: benyou, kouassi, aitcheson.

Buy: ante Coric (amc) , Joaquin Fernandez (cb) , Petar Stojanovic (rb)

These are the 3 positions I would like strengthened and these guys should be within our budget and are all good young prospects.

I would not get rid of too many players this window as it can unsettle the team and we want to try and keep the nucleus until after the CL qualifiers.

In the summer I would let dembele, Armstrong and boyata leave and buy 3 top class replacements and a right winger.

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09 Jan 2018 11:08:40
Coric looks a great prospect. I think I might have mentioned him on here before. For centre back I'd look at Thilo Kehrer whose contract expires next summer. As for RB, I'll be happy enough to see Ralston developed into a first team regular for now.

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09 Jan 2018 11:52:57
Joaquin Fernandez? The wonderkid we’re supposedly battling Aberdeen for?

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09 Jan 2018 12:21:18
If ralston stays fit then I'd be happy going in to next season with him as the number 1 RB and lustig as the back up.

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09 Jan 2018 12:54:36
Thik your spot on raw we definitely need to freshen things up my only prob with young Tony and I was beatingg the drum for him for a while is he's a wee bit injury prone.

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09 Jan 2018 16:55:30
Stojanovic would be a decent signing judging by the reports. Coric is already surely out of our price range £9m plus, don't know much about the boy Fernandez, is he decent?

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09 Jan 2018 22:38:41
A player who has an injury or two isn't necessary injury prone . I remember the time when all the clever fans on here were calling Lustig injury prone, yet the last couple
Of seasons he has been a top three starter in Celtic games each season

Tierney was out for most of the season which he got his chance at the end of season . Next season, he was out for 2/ 3 months and yet I never heard him referred to as sick-note.

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