Celtic Banter Archive December 09 2020

09 Dec 2020 20:32:43
Ed is there any chance you could split posts into two categories? (1) I'm too young and no shaving yet and have never seen my team getting pumped and wining feck all and (2) I'm old enough to have seen ma team pumped and I'm still a Celtic supporter, faithful through and through'. The reason I'm asking Ed is that I'm really busy between now and Christmas and trying to make a living and don't really have time to respond to self entitled juvenile sH! Te. Thanks Ed.

{Ed007's Note - 😁👍

09 Dec 2020 20:48:53
😂 👍 Ed the foodbank page is doing good!

{Ed007's Note - It's doing fantastic, JFP.}

09 Dec 2020 23:12:02
JFP
Perfect suggestion.
I see so many giving dogs abuse to fellow supporters and its obvious why they have spat the dummy out.

10 Dec 2020 06:36:25
Your the Man JFP. That’s calling it correctly.

10 Dec 2020 09:45:41
I am touching 60 and I remember those days but I don't go around with green blinkers on to see that the manager is mince and something wrong at the club just now that could be sorted and that is the most frustrating thing about all this.

10 Dec 2020 07:26:32
Bang me in both categories please ed wife says I’m having a mid life crisis 👍😂.

{Ed007's Note - Well you are at a bad age mate 😉

10 Dec 2020 07:48:50
JFP1888
"Self entitled" so Celtic fans have to just except 2 wins in 12 because you do. Maybe you and other's that except that are the problem with the club. Caring about the direction the club is going is a good thing.

09 Dec 2020 19:06:35
Another Fan Group Celtic Trust,
Are organising a C.V. Compliant Protest.
They are demanding change both on and off the pitch.
It will take place on Sunday before the Kilmarnock game @ 1pm on The Celtic Way.

{Ed007's Note - Maybe they could get some ideas off old Ken and Roy in Corrie 😂😂 Do you know if it's the Judean Celtic Trust or the Celtic Trust of Judea?

09 Dec 2020 19:35:48
Buzz does this trust have any money to effect change? - or any positive suggestions? - or any brains - or are they just turning up to say ‘we don’t like this? ’. Juist asking aye.

09 Dec 2020 19:45:02
Ha ha ha Ed; 'Splitters' - It's The Popular Nae-Peepuls Front.

{Ed007's Note - We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother!}

09 Dec 2020 21:02:33
Absolute classic Ed; Can watch it any time and even The Mrs chips-in with most of the lines - Aye, 'he has a wife you know'.

{Ed007's Note - I watch it at least once a month mate just to cheer myself up 👍

Oh! It's blessed are the meek! I'm glad they're getting something, they had a Hell of a time...

09 Dec 2020 21:09:07
Funniest film ever, he’s not the messiah he’s a very naughty boy.

{Ed007's Note - Welease Woger!

09 Dec 2020 21:20:01
What have the Romans ever done for us . well the 😅😅.

{Ed007's Note - I'm going to watch it again tonight when I go to bed, feck it.}

09 Dec 2020 21:43:21
Watch irregular myself mate classic 😅👍.

{Ed007's Note - I love Monty Python but I've got to admit that Grotbags isn't a fan at all. Years ago I put on The Holy Grail and when they "rode in" with the coconuts she was like "get that to ****" and I've never convinced her to watch another Python film.}

10 Dec 2020 07:53:18
JFP1888
The Celtic fans never had any money in the 90s but were successful at getting change. Not saying the present situation is anywhere near the 90s but don't underestimate the support. We own Celtic not a plc. Celtic would be bead and buried with people like you.

09 Dec 2020 17:00:11
looking forward to seeing turnbull and soro tomorrow i believe there is two cracking players there one who will protect the defence and one who will create and score.

if they have good performances they must not be dropped. this is the way forward players who have a point to prove and want to be here.

{Ed007's Note - At least it'll give the fans 2 new players to moan about.}

09 Dec 2020 17:21:03
a slack pass ed007 and they all will be on there backs shouting for them to be dropped and sold.

{Ed007's Note - 👍

09 Dec 2020 17:38:20
United Ireland they could get feckn shot-but it’s awrite it wid be friendly fire! 😂.

09 Dec 2020 17:59:58
Hopefully we play a midfield 3 with McGregor in there. Unless he's looking at resting him and playing Connell which would be good to see what he can do too.

09 Dec 2020 19:14:31
It's a meaningless game so it's perfect for giving hungry players a good run out. With a bit of luck and a bit of karma they'll shame the prima donnas with their effort and desire and keep their places for the league games while the so called 'stars' of the team sit in the stands. HH.

09 Dec 2020 14:53:11
The upcoming AGM on Mon sounds a waste of time ;and the board are going to get an easy time as there will only be limited questions and done online. what a cop out surely they could have had a selection shareholders in person following guidelines.

09 Dec 2020 15:44:22
They're probably too ashamed and embarrassed to face any real questions, criticism or blame from the people they have let down.

09 Dec 2020 17:32:51
They’re feckn terrified they’ve got walloper ‘fans’ ootside threatening tae feckn shoot them - wid you let them in? 😂.

09 Dec 2020 19:08:13
We need a whole new strategy. Like Monchi put in at Sevilla.

09 Dec 2020 13:56:26
It seems Lenny was 100% right when he lambasted the want away players after the Ferencvaros game. He can't do an awful lot about it when a player downs tools in their mind but he should have dropped them immediately. I believe that lesser talented players who were hungry would have prevented a lot of the mess we are in. HH.

09 Dec 2020 14:31:25
Never forget Lennon knew last January players wanted to leave. So to go into the 10 season with unhappy players is nobody’s fault but his own. They could have been sold in the summer. I’m sure no one would have complained if he said in summer they wanted to leave and they were sold to stop any unrest happening in the squad.

He’s tried to really implement the 532 this year and the recruitment for it has been s***e!
In our squad we have only 2natural senior CBs one natural wing back no striker that is good in the air. The squad is massive and all over the place, complete shambles.

And no doubt there’s been a fallout behind scenes and some haven’t gotten over it and still have a chip on their shoulder.

IMO.

{Ed007's Note - How many times do we need to go through this, Neil Lennon doesn't decide who Celtic buy or sell.}

09 Dec 2020 14:48:44
Are you saying these signings had nothing to do with Lennon?
Do you not remember lawell saying one of the reasons they took Lennon back because he had a good eye for a player?


It’s a group that make up the football side, Lennon has a say in it too, he’s part of the group. He makes recommendations on players him and top scout. Final say comes down to lawell.

Are you seriously saying lawell chooses every player we sign?

{Ed007's Note - Who signs off players contracts on behalf of the Club, it isn't Neil Lennon? Lennon has an input but Hammond and Lawwell make the final decisions. Look back at signings first interviews and how many speak about them arriving and meeting and speaking to the manager for the first time. Remember Lennon spoke about watching Elhamed in his last 5 games which turned out to be a lie because a) he never flew to Israel b) Celtic were playing on a couple of the same dates and finally c) Elhamed had hardly played in his team's last 5 games because he was injured/banned. I could go on but the site is fully searchable and you'll see plenty of examples and explanations of the background to transfers.
If you think Lennon has any power when it comes to players coming and going then you haven't been paying attention over the last decade, John Park and Lawwell were in charge under Lennon and Deila then Rodgers tried to rock the boat and that was the beginning of the end of his time as manager.
Lennon is a coach, his job - like thousands of manager/coaches out there - is to coach/manage the players the Club brings in and that's how it should be except it should be a Director of Football who makes the decisions.}

09 Dec 2020 15:25:25
I understand how it works. It was stated in the 17/ 18 or 18/ 19 end of season review. It’s online in PDF format.

They’re called the group and are made up of 4people. Lawell manager, sports director and can’t mind the other guy. It’s through that groups decisions lawell gets his bonus.

Of course a manager doesn’t sign the contracts. Your first message implied Lennon had no input in who we’ve signed since he arrived. I disagree. And Lawwells comment about him having a good eye for a player surely means he had an input in signings since he’s arrived. Not all mind.

{Ed007's Note - I'm not explaining it again. My first message implied nothing - I never imply anything, Ryan, I always say exactly what I mean - as it clearly stated that "Neil Lennon doesn't decide who Celtic buy or sell" which he doesn't, the final decision is made by Lawwell unless Desmond is involved like the deals for Rodgers, Robbie and Roy Keane etc.}

09 Dec 2020 15:44:32
I never said he did but 👍🏻.

09 Dec 2020 15:52:44
Lawell is our unofficial Director of Football and anyone who can't see that is blind of the truth. He should stick to being an accountant and should have no place in the football side of things.

09 Dec 2020 16:21:08
I can understand why he has an input into contact negotiation and the actual bartering for the player in his role but I don't think he should have anything to do with the selection of what players come in as far as players going out I can understand the price we have for a player and him to negotiate that price but again I don't think he should have a say in who leaves IMO that should be upto the player and the manager if he thinks he can be replaced and what is the risk too the team if he says he can't go.

09 Dec 2020 16:37:20
I always thought the BIG clubs like Real Madrid, Man Utd etc etc etc would buy the players and then tell the manger 'There you are; get on with it' - Obviously in a much Grandeur style and budget; although managers have a list of positions they want addressed, they will usually get what the Board can afford or are willing to pay.
I reckon that's why we end up with so many misfits?

{Ed007's Note - Man Utd have the same problem as us, OAB, they have money men making footballing decisions and it's not working. They are looking to go down the DOF route but behind the scenes politics are stalling their plans.}

09 Dec 2020 17:03:20
Another 'Marriage of Inconvenience' Ed; No wonder we are both in such a mess with businessmen playing 'Premier Manager' in real life?!

{Ed007's Note - 👍

09 Dec 2020 17:16:37
Lennon was the one that convinced ajeti to sign.

Ed just assumed I don’t know how the transfers work at our club and I was blaming Lennon for all our bad signings (even though my first message made no mention of who was responsible for our bad recruitment) hence his reply to to my message.

{Ed007's Note - How many times do we need to go through this, Neil Lennon doesn't decide who Celtic buy or sell. }
Agree1.

{Ed007's Note - Lennon was the one that convinced Ajeti to sign 😂😂😂😂 He spoke to Ajeti then told Lawwell to sign him did he? Don't you think the deal was all agreed by Ajeti, his agent and Celtic (Lawwell who negotiates the deals with Chris McKay) before Ajeti spoke to Lennon. Ajeti was looking for assurances regarding game time and that's down to the coach/manager, it was probably Lawwell that told Lennon to phone Ajeti btw as Lawwell can't guarantee game time to a player.
What would have been the point of Lennon talking to Ajeti if Lawwell wasn't prepared to pay the fee West Ham wanted or his wages?
This is getting boring but if you want to keep playing I'll keep going until my dinner's ready but you're getting nowhere pretty fast here.}

09 Dec 2020 17:40:41
So with your logic Ed only lawell gets the praise and criticism when a signing is good or bad Because he has the final say.

I’m not arguing that he hasn't got the final say.
Lennon and Hammond help him make his decisions with their recommendations on the player.

And yes I’ll try find the vid of Lennon clearly stating ajeti was unsure of coming until he (Lennon) stepped in and spoke to him. So aye Lennon convinced ajeti to sign.

{Ed007's Note - Don't bother on my account, I know what happened. If Lennon giving Ajeti assurances about game time is convincing him then your right but who made the decision to sign him?
In fact now I think back a quick Google search might throw up articles that state Lennon actually spoke to his Ajeti's representatives about their concerns so if you want to be pedantic it was them that Lennon convinced. 😁

West Ham striker Albian Ajeti is close to agreeing terms with Celtic for a loan deal, with an option to buy.

Neil Lennon held further talks with the player’s agent last night.

Lennon’s intervention has convinced Ajeti to choose Celtic.

Could be done early next week.

— Anthony Joseph (@AnthonyRJoseph) August 7, 2020

09 Dec 2020 17:50:50
What’s for dinner Ed? 😂.

{Ed007's Note - I made chilli con carne mate 👊

09 Dec 2020 18:01:23
Yum Yum
I don’t know where you found the time, replying to us moaning. 😂.

{Ed007's Note - I've been at it since 11 o'clock lol

09 Dec 2020 18:20:41
Lennon has done nothing but praise Hammomd for his tireless work on rebuilding the recruitment that Congerton left in a mess. Lawwell deals with the transfer negotiations and I may be wrong but Lennons only input would be to say what areas he'd like to strengthen and as mentioned talks with player about game time ect the rest is down to scouts/ Hammond/ Lawwell surely.

09 Dec 2020 18:35:00
Look Ed I’m no arguing with ya. If you want to use the logic of because lawell has final decision so every good bad signing is down to him that’s fine batter in. I don’t agree.

Hope you had some Doritos with that chilli 👍🏻.

{Ed007's Note - Where did I say that every good/bad signing is down to Lawwell? They are down to good/bad scouting and good/bad decisions made like how Lawwell signed Kazim-Richards who needed out of Feyenoord for threatening a journalist instead of Elyounoussi as a favour to his friend Dudu Dahan, do you think it's the manager that arranged all the deals with Man City or is that done between Lawwell and his son Mark who is their Scouting and Recruitment Manager?
Every manager for years has complained about not having any control of transfers and Lawwell's interference in footballing matters. That's why Lennon left the first time, because Lawwell and John Park were signing players and that's why Lennon got the job again, Lawwell knew that he wouldn't rock the boat.}

09 Dec 2020 19:24:41
Lennon was on the scrap heap when he was brought back in after Rodgers ran away. If Lawwell had told him he had to run naked down Sauchiehall Street on the second Thursday of every month and to sing 'My Old Man's A Dustman' outside the Sevvydome every third Friday morning in order to get the job then he'd have done it. HH.

09 Dec 2020 12:31:27
If I was Lennon and what he's saying is indeed fact and I've no reason to doubt it I'd name and shame the want away prima donnas see what that left me and fill the gaps with laddies.

As I said earlier this week I'm no Dalglish fan but I think he hit the nail on the head with his comments.

'Another part of the problem is likely to be that while most of the players will be hurting from the recent results and loss of form not all of them will be.

'It's up to Neil Lennon to identify the ones he knows will give 100 per cent for themselves and for the jersey and play them.

At this moment, attitude and desire may well override ability. '

We certainly can't let Eddy and Nchomp drag there ar$e about the park in second gear until January.

09 Dec 2020 12:41:12
None of this addresses the problem that Lennon is not good enough!

09 Dec 2020 12:45:08
great post mate. no player is to big for our club and all want away players should be shown the door in January.

09 Dec 2020 12:53:12
Chasa that’s not changing in the short term between now and January whether any of us agree with that or not the manger is going nowhere from what I can see.

So if what I’ve suggested changes nothing and the manager stays what would you propose between now and January?

{Ed007's Note - I'd be putting a rocket up the players ar$es, lay down the law and implement a strict fitness regime with double training sessions except for the day before games where they are drilled on the opposition and their only days off training are the ones following games but they need to be at Lennoxtown to go over in detail the game & the data analysis.
Quite simply I'd be saying to them "This Club is bigger than all of you. You got yourselves into this situation so between now and the next derby show everyone you can get out of it and if not we'll find players who will."
People who are calling for Lennon's head are forgetting that they're also talking about players not wanting to be here and if that's the case how will changing manager help that? They'll still want to leave.}

09 Dec 2020 13:33:01
Ed, it's bizarre that so much has changed in the minds of some of our players in such a short time. I know most of them don't care about 10iar but you'd think that being involved in the challenge might have been enough of an incentive for them. It's like running in the marathon at the Olympics, being way out in front then taking your running shoes off and stopping as you enter the stadium for the final celebratory lap and watching others gallop past you. HH.

{Ed007's Note - I've mentioned it before, Besty, where's their professional pride ?}

09 Dec 2020 13:48:00
Obviously nowhere to be seen Ed but I still can't understand why it has happened to so many of them at the same. HH.

{Ed007's Note - Cliques in the dressing room will always cause problems.}

09 Dec 2020 14:24:42
Interesting points Ed. I remember reading an interview with Chris Davies about how they prepared the team before each game, analysis on the opposition etc. Do you know if there is a similar preparation now or if it's less detailed?

{Ed007's Note - It's a lot less detailed and that needs addressed although some players complained about it under Rodgers for teams they played 4 times a year. Should we really need the players studying a team like Ross County's tactics etc to beat them?}

09 Dec 2020 15:55:00
Apparently so cos they pumped us out the cup. We should treat Ross County with the same respect we give to Barcelons. Preparation is important. We aren't a Sunday league team.

09 Dec 2020 09:37:58
Replying to a question from the media on what he would be remembered for eg Rodgers team were known as "The Invincibles" Lennon said his team would carry the tag "THE UNCONVINCIBLES".

09 Dec 2020 09:07:11
Feels like history is repeating itself all over again when you look at the players and their condition.

Why when Deila came in after Lennon were the first changes to get the squad fitter? A lot of people disagreed at the time but now every 2nd week, fitness is being used as an excuse for players. Where is the high pressing gone? Is it down to fitness?

Deila doesn't get enough credit for the work prepara.