Celtic Banter Archive December 08 2013

 

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08 Dec 2013 21:42:58
Does anyone else agree our last two convincing wins can be attributed to izaguirre’s return of form?
Also If the Manchester riot was committed by a minority then fir park was the result of a couple of misguided youths,
Don’t think it will happen again so let’s all calm down

maestro08

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08 Dec 2013 18:19:31
Not saying it will happen but what will it mean for Man Utd's finances etc if they don't qualify for the Champions League next season?

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{Ed007's Note - They will lose perhaps £30/40m on competition earnings (assuming they get to say, the quarter finals), they will additionally lose sponsorship - I'm guessing about £10M to £15M.
It will have no real effect on the club as a whole as there are other sponsorship deals that will more than cover any losses.
This coming summer Aon, the current shirt sponsors, will become the new sponsors of Utd's Carrington training ground and training kit in a deal rumoured to be £19.6m p.a. in an eight year deal and Chevrolet will become their main short sponsor in a seven year deal reported to be worth £45m per year, which is about £20m more than Barcelona receive from Qatar Airways which is the next best deal throughout the game today.
Add that onto the fact that their deal with Nike is due to be negotiated at circa £300m (£60-70m per season) from 2015 in a new five-year deal.
There are also plenty of smaller regional deals, beneath the headline grabbing sponsorships is a batch of smaller deals involving scooter, soft drink, telecoms and even paint firms.
A tie-up with Toshiba has seen Carrington given possession of a standard of medical kit usually reserved only for university teaching hospitals.
Money won't be a problem for them any time soon.}

Cheers Ed

I was just looking at the EPL table after this weekend's results and wondering, goes without saying its not an ideal situation though.

I would like to see him turn things around.

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{Ed007's Note - I never wanted him to get the job and said at the time Utd would end up nothing more than a CL spot challenging team under Moyes. I just didn't think the decline would have happened so quickly.}

Is the Chevvy deal signed and sealed ED? I read they are pulling out of the UK in the next year due to terrible sales figures. On Moyes, the start Everton have made is the worst thing that could have happened for him. I also never thought he was the guy for Utd. What a pay off to get rid though!

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{Ed007's Note - It's all signed and sealed and ready to go. The reduction of their presence in Europe due in 2017 is to try and strengthen their Vauxhall/Opel brands. They will still sell the more iconic Chevrolet models though from what I can see, I am about as interested in cars as I am in cricket lol.}

To be fair, he has quite a bit of mince to work with. SAF could make superstars out of anyone but your mere mortal would struggle with that squad.

joeshmo1888

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11 years Moyes tried to get Everton above Manchester United in league, finally succeeded!

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09 Dec 2013 05:28:54
interesting reading those figures there ed about how much money they are wrecking in. the thing I don't understand is why do the big clubs not actually have a proper scout/negotiator to make the most of this money. utd have been awful in the transfer market and must have blew 100 mill on rubbish quickly followed by king kenny at liverpool a few years back.

do you think moyes will be given the time and money to turn this around cause I feel he has a whole new squad to build up. the only poisition safe is striker and even then it wouldn't strike fear into me if they were to play against us

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{Ed007's Note - They do have people who do it, or are supposed to. Man Utd had David Gill who was replaced by Ed Woodward in the summer and between him and Moyes they made an ar$e of clinching deals for players that AF and Gill had already lined up (Strootman and Di Maria being two of them). Everything behind the scenes at Utd changed over the summer, all the backroom staff were replaced by Moyes' men from Everton.
Spurs have Franco Baldini as technical director who does all their transfer dealings while Chelsea have a team behind the scenes who have more of a say than the manager does.
I know one Dutch advisor to Abramovich, Piet de Visser who has the authority to approach any player, his club or his representatives anywhere in the world to try and sign them for Chelsea without even needing to ask Abramovich's permission. It was also because of this board of advisors that Scolari and AVB were sacked, they decided that their training methods were out-dated and ineffective so recommended to Abramovich that he get rid of them which he duly did.
Arsenal General Manager Ivan Gazidis is the club's Chief Executive since 2009 after replacing David Dein and he is in charge of their transfer negotiations.
Some club's don't have a set employee who deals with transfer negotiations so they hire super-agents like Pini Zahavi to do their negotiations, so he can represent a club or a player in negotiations (obviously he can't do both in any deal).
Transfers are a lot more difficult to complete than 99% of supporters understand.}

The Ed makes a good point about smaller sponsors - soft drinks etc etc. I was at old trafford last week (rugby league world cup final) and I noticed that they have an 'official beer' - Singha beer, which was on sale everywhere, and the old trafford staff were all wearing man utd/singha polo shirts. the incremental business for Manchester United on these deals is quite small, but for Celtic, they could make a real difference. Official Celtic car supplier, official celtic soft drink, official celtic medical supplier, official celtic training gear sponsor, official celtic printer publisher (programmes, View, all corporate communications etc). The more minor sponsors and official partners we can tie up the better - at our financial level it can make a real difference. Jean-Pierre Laguerre

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08 Dec 2013 19:08:36
Gents,
I am somewhat alarmed by the lack of progress between Ledley, samaras and the club it is my opinion that Ledley will walk away in the summer for free and in my opinion bringing in a scottish replacement is key . Stuart Armstrong is the ideal replacement the best homegrown midfielder in Scotland and would jump at a move to the hoops may cost 1- 1.5 million but I would pay it as he is well worth it. Thoughts please bhoys and ghirls

Chalky bhoy.

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We have to learn from young McCarthy. More than holding his own v Arsenal in with Ramsay, Wiltshere and Ozil.

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{Ed007's Note - I have been telling Man Utd fans for 2 years that they should sign McCarthy, he would have brought energy, urgency and much needed tenacity to their midfield. Some of them agreed, a few thought it would be worth a risk but the majority blew the idea out the water.
A lot of Utd fans just want to see money spent on fancy named foreigners rather than look at what the team needs. I've watched McCarthy regularly since he was about 14 and I knew he would make a success of himself even then.
Just watch, he will move on to a CL team in a couple of seasons for stupid money if Everton don't become contenders for a CL place themselves.
The thing is that Moyes had lined the deal with Everton up so you would think he would have still been keen, McCarthy is a better player now than Fellaini will ever be.
When Man Utd (and Moyes) let the deadline of 31st July for Fellaini's £23.5m release clause pass only to pay £27.5m a month later I knew this was not going to be a good season for Utd.}

Totally agree chalky bhoy.
really like the lad and think he would add a new dimension to our midfield

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GJ, I agree with you the way McCarthy is playing now but when we were rumoured to be interested in him when at Accies, if we had got him he would not have got the chance to develop and would have been given very little playing time. In the league we must play our youngsters to se how good they are and give them the experience to progress

TamTimTic

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I believe that the fee for Gauld will be too rich for our blood,, but that should not deter us from seeking young Scots talemt. Armstrong, May, Soutar and possibly Fulton of Falkirk might be worth a punt.

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{Ed007's Note - CFC are very interested in Gauld but after being told the sort of figures EPL clubs are talking they don't hold out much hope of completing a deal.}

A young Scottish player to replace Ledley (who I fear might have had his opinion on his future altered) more in our price range for me would be Bannan. Impressed me greatly for Palace and Scotland against superior opposition.

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08 Dec 2013 18:53:52
Right, heres my solution to the problem of broken seats, flares and all the other problems!

persons wishing to purchase tickets for games will have to supply name and address for every ticket they buy.
every ticket has a seat number, a seat gets broken they have to pay the cost of new seat and get a stadium ban.
(flares/smoke bombs/fireworks being thrown can be easily be found by checking cctv for the culprit)

its a simple solution

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Does that not happen already? You have to be on the away ticket scheme to get any!

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Good intention but a wee problem with that. I'm sitting watching the game then the fu*kwits start their carry-on. I move to a safe area but the knuckle draggers decide to use my seat as a weapon. I am then laible? CCTV cameras and the supporters are the key. Banning these people from the ground is difficult to enforce in reality. This is not a footbal problem inasmuch as they only use the football area as a means to congregate (and hide) in a crowd. If it wasnt football they would go to rugby or some other sport where crowds gather. This is symptom of society problem. The judges need to set examples with custodial sentences (fines on people who don't care and/or don't have the cash is a waste of effort). Rant over

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Away scheme's are what are causing riots with fans (not just ultras, innocent scarfers are getting caught up in brutality as well) with the police, government + football association in countries like Italy and Croatia just now. If you think we get hassle for a hobby, going to support a football team (our supposed national sport) at the moment, then imagine what it'd be like when we're just a numbered sheep).

HamiltonBhoy

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08 Dec 2013 14:10:50
Following the events of Friday night's match against Motherwell at Fir Park, the Green Brigade would like to clarify our position on a couple of issues.

Firstly we do not condone the breaking of seats nor do we welcome pyrotechnics being thrown on the park. We as a group are as disappointed as any about such indefensible behaviour and regret that it happened on our watch. Whilst it was not members of our group behaving in this manner, we accept the fact that these actions took place behind our banner in what was an unofficial 'Green Brigade section' and furthermore that the fans within this area are associated to our group whether they are members or not.

It is particularly disappointing given how hard we have worked as a member organisation of Fans Against Criminalisation and of our own accord to fight the criminalisation of football supporters as we realise the damage that the events of Friday night could have on our efforts to challenge the continued harassment of Celtic fans by Police Scotland. Ultimately, we should have had greater control of the bodies present within our block and our failure to do so has resulted in events which are unacceptable and we will strive to ensure that such scenes are not repeated.

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'we should have had greater control of the bodies present within our block'

em, what?

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08 Dec 2013 19:16:51
Awrite Edd have been trying to post for past few days with no luck, dnt suppose u can shed any light

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{Ed007's Note - I'm only using my phone just now but this post has came through no problem. You should have got in touch mate, either by using the 'Contact Us' form or mail me direct at ed007@live.co.uk}

Shame on the Green Brigade.
There is no way this amount of destruction could have happened behind their banner without them 'knowing' about it. It just isn't possible. It clearly happened without their leaders taking any action and now they speak up because the finger of blame is being pointed directly at them. You'd think they'd have learned by now that the controversial events and occurrences that appear to follow them are no coincidence. Many true fans will be turning against them very quicky and if this is what they deem to be acceptable behaviour then the sooner we get rid of them the better. The atmosphere and noise they create shouldn't come at a price.

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ChrisBhoy

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08 Dec 2013 19:36:36
Cheers edd as you prob remember am not much use wae this technology haha a tried the alternative reply this is the 2nd time of trying. Will just keep doing this.
It's a pity av missed out on some good sh*t.

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I'm in the same boat as monkeybhoy, with my posts going missing over the last few days. I just put it down to you being in a huff Mr Bond lol!

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A lot of the moaning happening about Friday seems to be coming from fans who weren't at the game. But I, and anyone who was at the game on Friday, can confirm that the atmosphere was on top form. The volume continued to crank up, everyone was in good spirits. Then that night the message boards + social networking sites are bombarded by people stating their disgust at the Celtic support. If anyone seen anything going on they didn't agree with, why not challenge someone at the game? Instead of going home to bitch + whine about it on the internet? I know I would've challenged someone, like the fannies trying to snap seats in my row (top tier) and were told to wrap it before I wrap my fist round their face!

HamiltonBhoy

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I for one think the idea of self policing is a lot of bull it rarely happens and I can assure you most decent supporters aren't going to challenge a group of louts breaking seats and setting off flares they will give it a wide berth. Our reputation was good because we went to games to support our team and sing our songs nowadays there is a much more aggressive group following us in numbers and they are stoking the flames. This will ultimately end with gb shut down and more members put in cells which is ironic as that is their main gripe but what else can you expect after the recent demos and vandalism at home and away grounds. I for one like the gb singing at celtic park but the leaders need to change tactics as support for them is dwindling.
Jim

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@6 Hamiltonbhoy, it's easy to take your stance regarding what you would do with your fist's when you obviously have the GB besiide you, you ask people to stop whining on the internet and challenge these lout's but most people go by themselve's or in two's, not mob handed like the GB do, so it is not that manly of you to say what you would do to someone's face, what you would be using is mob mentality, knowing that your mate's would wade into the fracas as well, what would this kind of action turn into, most probably a riot, Celtic's good name again in the gutter and probably innocent people being hurt or worse. Don't actually see any sense in your post at all.
Tambhoy

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@TamBhoy You're informed incorrectly sir, I was sitting in the top tier, not with the GB. I was with 3 boys from my CSC (2x 18 year olds + a 21 year old) which I don't think seems like us being mob handed to 8 or 9 persons bouncing around with no tops on, steaming drunk + trying to snap seats during the 3rd or 4th goal. Anyway, they were told to quit it (in not so nice words) and that they did.

HamiltonBhoy

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@9 I commend you hamiltonbhoy for your stance, who then told these yob's to desist when you were in the top tier?. Oh and you must know what age I am when you called me sir, lol.
Tambhoy

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08 Dec 2013 14:10:15
Some folk really need to screw the nut. God knows what some were hoping to achieve at Fir Park? It appears that some are attempting to live up to some sort of pseudo or warped image of what an 'ultra' is. It appears that this is boiling down to who can act or look the most 'mental'. I don't know whether its just attention seeking or trying to outdo each other but I can assure you there's heehaw mental about it - its person behaviour. There really is no need to be breaking seats deliberately or be lobbing pyro on parks. We certainly won't tolerate anyone behaving like this under our name/banner.

There's nothing whatsoever to be gained from lobbing pyro on the park, never mind right where our keeper is standing. For years now the Celtic support has been somewhat tolerant towards pyro with there being little complaints of its use. Its been being used for years now and you see bits being used at most away games. Stuff like throwing it on the park will only jeopardise any tolerance the support has left for it. Its utterly stupid and totally detrimental. If you're going to continue to use it then ffs apply a bit of common sense.

As for the seats. Being there I know fine well that a lot broke simply as a result of the level of overcrowding which lead to full rows of seats being stood, trampled and bounced on. That was unfortunate and really bar avoiding overcrowding in the first place there was little could be done to prevent it. That said, to say there was nobody intentionally breaking seats would be a lie. Just like there was folk parading broken seats above their heads like some sort of pathetic trophy. Its honestly laughable and cringe worthy.

It must be pretty easy for some to behave like this under a safety net. The Green Brigade pull the large numbers, we give a level of protection and we give a name which the resulting flak and no doubt repercussions can be aimed at. I can assure you it won't continue. Its similar to the bangers being done in 111 at the start of the season. For years there used to always be better communication between the group and those filing in behind us. There used to be more awareness and respect for the fact that any actions done behind our banner would be attached to our group. It seems to have dwindled lately perhaps through our own fault, I don't really know tbh. Its a shame really, 'cause there was actually a couple of positives which could've been taken away from Friday night which have now been completely outdone. We certainly won't be seeing any similar away sections any time soon. This will probably be out of our hands now anyway but even if it wasn't I really doubt it would be in our interests to attempt one any time soon.

For ages now our primary concern has been fighting criminalisation and addressing all relating issues which come with this. Together with FAC there has been great efforts and progress made and the stuff from Friday night potentially disrupts this which makes it all the more frustrating. In the week leading up to the game we generated great exposure with banners highlighting the hypocrisy of the 'football legislation'. We were prepared to put ourselves in the firing line of the media, club and even some of the support because we believe that the issue being addressed was worth it. We were prepared, still are and will be for future banners on the same issue for any resulting repercussions. Ironically we actually made a conscious decision to backheel plans we had had for Motherwell purely because we didn't want to detract attention away from this. So its a bit of a kick in the stones to find ourselves exactly where we didn't want to be especially after attempting to avoid it and because of the actions of others.

To think that for some time now we've been battling against police, the Scottish government and even our club; yet it may well be the stupidity of our own who have caused the most damage.

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Quality post says it all

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If the GB are going to include nutcases among their ranks, or even allow them to come along for the trip, then there has to be some form of internal policing among it's ranks. And when I say policing I mean a method of control that actually works instead on banal excuses whenever the twits decide to throw a tantrum. If you can't control a group then it shouldn't be allowed. End of.

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ChrisBhoy

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I understand what people are saying about self policing. The GB have taken a certain degree of responsibility, that they will take any flak of carry on behind their banner. But the bottom line is, why should it only be the GB who self police? Why not other fans? What makes the GB any more of an authority figure to your average scarfer? After all, they're not paid to be Ultras.

HamiltonBhoy

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^^
It might have somthing to do with the fact that they have several hundred people on standby to back them up, where as 2 people who are at a game maybe even a guy and his missus are not going to try and turn into Batman and Robin against several hundred nutters ripping out chairs and throwing pyros onto the park. Pretty stupid question tbh!

Tompo88

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@Tompo88 I didn't see several hundred nutters ripping up seats or throwing pyro on the park on Friday, did you?

As I've stated elsewhere on the site, I was with 3 young lads from my CSC and put 8 or 9 arses in the top tier in their place, it's easily done!

HamiltonBhoy

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@5 Hamiltonbhoy you have answered my earlier post, regarding the yob's on the bottom tier, I did not realise there were some of these cretin's in the top tier also, so I apologise for my earlier question.
Tambhoy

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Fair play to you Hamilton Bhoy, my point is that the majority of folk are not going to try and get in an altercation with thier own fans, while not knowing how many people around them may be connected to the lout that they are "policing" and that it should really be down to the security and police rather than reverting to vigilante tactics

Tompo88

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08 Dec 2013 10:30:17
reading the condemnation of all the smoke bombs/flares at recent games from the media and official spokes people they generalise by saying do these persons think its cool to do this, what does it bring to the game, what about fire risks, the smoke affects other supporters . then browsing you tube I seen a video of last years cup final it opens with pyrotechnics on the park, flame throwers at the side of the park and smoke bombs on the park so thick the camera can't clearly focus on the teams, now this clearly shows that the sfa think that these displays are cool and brings drama/ atmosphere to the occasion. now I know that these displays are done by experts but all the big football events have these displays and the cl adverts show fans using them on the continent and use this footage to enhance their product so why the horror and disbelief when a few daft boys copy it, rather than condemning it with holier than thou attitude could they not address the situation by admitting we know these things look great but need to be done by trained individuals in a controlled manner, could the clubs not liase with fans and ask if they think they add anything to the occasion and if so let them be done under the supervision of trained operators? or do we just condemn the daft young boys, continue to celebrate the cup finals with fireworks or ban their use in football arenas completely,,,, deep river bhoy

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I posted much the same a while back mate. Sly and every other CL broadcaster uses footage of pyro as it enhances the short clip on a promo piece. Celtic themselves have used a clip in the past. For what it's worth I like it, I think it adds colour, but that's a personal opinion.

The fact is they are not allowed. Complaints from CELTIC fans with various ailments must be listened to as well. Having read the statement from the GB this morning it seems they are denying it was any actual member of their group. For me that's a bit of a cop out and disappointing.

This has to stop now.

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08 Dec 2013 14:09:28
@Deepriverbhoy I see your point about fireworks displays inside the ground, but these are well controlled not like the use of flares and smokebombs by these persons. I have no idea of their thinking in doing it in a crowded area and like other posters I have tried to talk to them all you get is mouthful of abuse.
But it is time the clubs, police and stewards did their bit also. Search them coming in, if it holds fans up, so be it maybe the decent fans will then tell these clowns where to go. Also why not use sniffer dogs at certain parts of the ground where they suspect these "fans" (wrong word) are based.
When they find these explosives arrest them and take them to court, if found guilty the clubs must ban them.
Celtic Football Club and our fans have worked too hard to get the reputation we have and these persons must not be allowed to tarnish it. Timalloy

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I don't even know what the debate is about, Celtic sell these away tickets and know fine well who are buying them so ban them. And if your selling your ticket on to someone else then you have to inform the club who they are. First and foremost the stewards should be reporting them at the time and having them lifted by the police. If only to get there correct name and address to pass onto the club so they can take action. Its really very simple.

Why weren't there any arrest at the time? Again, I don't think its a chargeable offence but throw them out and take there correct name.

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08 Dec 2013 03:38:00
Just wanna know other fans thoughts on when sammy and forrest are back in contention for startin places do you think lenny will put em straight back in? I don't think its any suprise that we have scored 12 in 2 games and played some of our best football this season while they 2 wer out the team. Personally I think forrest should be an impact sub he doesn't merit a start everytime he's fit due 2 his inconsistency and bein injury prone. Sammy the enigma just doesn't do enough for the team full stop, can't disagree that some of his performances in europe especially last season wer outstanding but that doesn't get away from the fact that most of the time he's like an empty strip and certainly not captain material which he always seems 2 get in broonys absence. We all know lenny has his wee favourites and wee forrest is defo 1 of em and just hope he isn't stubborn and puts him straight back in the startin 11 replaces someone who really doesn't deserve 2 be benched after the past few performances of the team. Thoughts folks?

GunnieBhoy

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08 Dec 2013 10:32:47
@gunniebhoy, totally agree .
Sammy is a wide man not a striker, he's not a pass and move player, to many touches and does'nt pick out the right pass often enough, we get more out of Izzy in the advanced position .
James f is more suited to our quick tempo one touch stuff, I don't know if the injuries are totally cleared up or his social life is catchng up with him, out of the two the way we set up the last two games suits wee James better, it will be a sad day in the Ths houehold when Sammy leaves he is my daughters and grandsons fave. Nl will do what's best for Celtic i'm sure of that . toodles

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I'm Sammy's biggest fan, but dropping him (if it's optional, I believe it's down to a niggle though?) + Forrest the past two games would be one of his best tactical decisions at Celtic. We've looked a lot more dynamic with them out the team. Lustig + Izzy have absolutely bombed thoses wings recently, both have also been unlucky not to snatch a goal for their efforts as well.

No way should they walk back in to the team but, it's now up to someone to lose their place + others to prove in training they warrant the position that comes available!

HamiltonBhoy

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08 Dec 2013 00:25:43
Just seen 6 million man James Vaughan's penalty miss today against Ipswich.

Someone is having a wind up btw haha

I would be horrified if we spend anywhere near that on this distinctively average striker.

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In response, I do not know enough about James Vaughn to comment. I do know that the epl is far harder to score in than the spl. Look at Jelavic at Everton, I would take him in a minute, although he is termed as 'struggling' down there. If you play for a team outwith the top 6 in the epl, your scoring chances are diminished. As I said, I dunno about this boy, and I know he disny play top flight footie anymore.deffo no worth £6m. loan maybiiez?

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Wouldn't touch Jelavic with a barge pole, caused trouble everywhere he's been.Apparently Everton have still to pay the last £1million instalment to sevco from when they signed him, imagine them telling us just to pay it direct to them.BTW why are they entitled to that money, yet have the instalment oldco owed to Rapid Vienna for him written off.

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They won't see a penny of that 1 million Marky. This has been covered, ages ago.

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Thats good, would quite happily be wrong about that

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