Celtic Banter Archive August 08 2014

08 Aug 2014 23:06:18
Haven't posted in ages, lessens the hurt Celtic will cause me in 2014/2015. I keep telling myself that Celtic doesn't mean that much to me but sadly it does and I'm hurting badly, infact I've been hurting badly because of Celtic for a few seasons now.

Anyway, how will we progress to the CL proper.

We need a leader with no ego and with a calm head. Boot Mulgrew so far out of Celtic that he doesn't pass go or collect his £200.

So this is what I have in mind for the away game, given that Scrooge Plc will not spend to replace Brown or Ledley.

Bring back Barry Robson, place him in front of a back 4, go 4 1 4 1 away from home and play for a draw but if we go 1 down to stick to our plan. Then I feel we should be able to take them at Celtic Park. And I'd have Barry Robson Captain too.

08 Aug 2014 23:44:50
Loved robson when we had him mate but he's no got the legs anymore he can't even last 90 mins in the spl for aberdeen

08 Aug 2014 22:44:14
Just to say good luck and thx to Fraser Foster.
I met the big guy when the Bhoys came to Yorkhilll sick kids hospital a few years ago ( my son was in ).
I got to speak to him and he came across as a real good guy.


all the best.
Cheers

08 Aug 2014 22:31:12
If we do bring players in over the next week can we be sure they are RD's players or even his first choice, I think it's more of the case John Park finds the players and PL says 'yes' and then probably justifies it to the manager. I kn

I think there will be a whole crowd of different aspects in the buying of any players . I think Park and Deila will be involved in the ability end and how the player fits in . P L will have the wee role of finance and if he doesn't fancy what he sees, he will deal with a clench fist and we won't have a deal, but if Deila's on board he may be somewhat more generous . I don't think he will do desperate, not yet anyway.

08 Aug 2014 21:47:55
Celtic accepted a £10m bid for Forster.

We better start bringing in players (not projects ready made good players) damn fast now. Can't keep going on like this. I know I'm stating the obvious.

08 Aug 2014 21:46:17
I haven't posted for quite a while although I have been on regularly and like many I am annoyed and frustrated at what our beloved club has become. I fully understand the need for a club especially in Scotland with little finance from TV revenue etc to be well run and maintain a healthy bank balance however we do have money in the bank, we have consistently sold our best players and not replaced them. We have been in the CL and we sell merchandise in numbers along with the top clubs in the world. I'm not saying go out and spend tens of millions but are we honestly expected to sit back and accept loan deals or worse than average EPL rejects. I for one think not. I expect the isual we're looking for a gem, well one Wanyama out of 15 dross players bought on the cheap is not good enough. Sometimes you actually do get what you pay for.

Anyway I don't expect is to spend much money on new players even after the CL reinstatement. I was however quite glad to hear RD say he was looking to strengthen the squad ahead of Maribor.

Well Ronnie, looks like PL is nowhere near the same page as you, i've just saw on tv we've accepted Southamptons bid for Fraser Forster tonight with 10m being quoted. Well it could be 100m for all I care because we didn't see the Hooper, Wanyama, Wilson or CL money being invested.

I really hope i'm wrong but I fear the worst with this current regime and before I get shot down with the glory hunter, or we are always Celtic drivel i've seen the bad times, Carl Muggletons, Stuart Slaters, Tony Cascarinos etc etc.

I'm sure deep down the vast majority feel the same, we deserve better, we have done for the past couple of years but I fear that just like years gone bye no one's listening and it'll be handshakes all round for Peters fantastic bank balance.

08 Aug 2014 22:35:53
Spot on Gary, lawell and his merry men are ripping the p*** out of us more and more every season. Also I've got a feeling that Ronny's managerial style is not to everyones liking probably more so our British players and he's losing the dressing room rapidly. I see a similarity to when le guen went to the now defunct Rangers, he was into making sure the teams diets etc were correct and into longer training sessions but our homegrown players aren't dedicated enough and willing to put extra work into their game to improve. We all know what happens when a manager loses the dressing room, the dressing room wins and gets the manager the sack.

08 Aug 2014 21:40:30
Celtic have accepted a bid of 10 million for Forster. Do you think someone else will be brought in head or will it be a case of Gordon or Zalukas?

I hope it is Gordon, and Fasan as his back up If Gordon is able to string a series together I would give Zallukas a free and let him get a deal

08 Aug 2014 20:25:35
See you in the last 16 then people?
Think Denmark and Euro championships, they qualified by default and went on to win the whole tournament!
Cliff Thorbourn made the first ever televised 147 break when the opening red hit the jaws of one pocket rolled across the cushion into the opposite pocket.
Everyone gets a flukey red now and then its how you build on it that counts

08 Aug 2014 18:36:05
I haven't really been able to digest this quite yet! We were embarrassed over two legs by an average team and still qualify through them playing an intelligible player by accident in garbage time! If it was our club to make this mistake every one of us would be feeling hard done by, it in no way effected the tie! Yes rules are rules but I am embarrassed to qualify in this way! Year after year we sell and never replace I don't blame RD I believe he will work wonders with what he's got but we continually get told there's money there for the right players same BS every year for our incredible scouting system not finding these correct players to spend the money on! Short changed as fans of our big club with small club mentality! RD said one new signing before the next tie some diddy no less. Maribor will probably stick is out on our arses and deservedly so think a year of our board not lining there pockets with CL money as well as selling our 2 best players which would happen either way with out proper replacements! I'm sick of it!

You're right. and when your right, your right. We're liable to miss the real problem here. The board have no choice now: stand and be counted.

Rabbis mate they won't and that's the problem! We go humbled with a squad in need of injection! RD made two big mistakes over the 2 legs never mind the little ones 1) Berget starting that first leg 2) Stokes up front by himself never has worked and never will! We need some quality I don't care what it cost 500k/4m quality is quality I could go on all day as we all probably could! I'm just so angry it's been the same patter from PL for the last 3 years I want a well ran club but what is 8m on 3 players in comparison to our profit? Sweet FA!

SOS, chances like this don't come along often never mind a 2nd time! (Sion). I just hope RD realises now 4-3-3 doesn't work and lawwell gets cheque book out for a striker. If lawwell has any sense, he will spend a couple of million to safeguard potential £20m

It's unbelievable, il believe it when I see it! Sick of this BS!

I hope we sign a couple of players . I am not confident that players coming in now will make much difference for the two play - off games. However maybe Deila is right a signing or two could lift the spirits of the squad.

08 Aug 2014 16:43:01
Ed what's the deadline for signings for the playoff mate?

{Ed007's Note - Signings for the Play-Off Round must be made by 24.00 CET (Central European Time) on the 11th August 2014, a club may register a maximum of one new eligible player after that deadline. Such
registration must be completed by 24.00 CET on the day before the relevant first-leg match.}

08 Aug 2014 16:52:23
Hope we spend money on players now that we have been given a 2nd chance.

We really need to get a couple of wingers in and a good big striker.

Seen someone mentioned Samaras coming back, think he would fit RD formation to a T.

I will not be happy if is see the exact same players against Maribor as they have shown as a team, that there not good enough.

08 Aug 2014 16:26:27
Oscar Pistorious has sacked his legal team and hired Celtics as he has heard the can help him lose both legs and still win. Sorry Ed, could not resist it.

08 Aug 2014 16:17:45
Bad day when you have no faith in Celtic to beat a team like Maribor over 2 legs. Hopefully this lifeline we have been given will open the boards eyes and force them to have a rethink over how to take this team forward. RD talks a good game and given his philosophy I have faith in him to build a good team over time and hopefully develop a few youngsters along the way but he desperately needs experienced players for the here and now. If Hooper is going for 3M get him back and give him the contract he wanted before leaving. Same with Samaras. These 2 will go a long way in helping us qualify and have proven they can perform on the European stage.

08 Aug 2014 13:45:28
really hope rd and jc learnt something from these two legs away from home wee really need to be solid at the back and very tight in the midfield not giveing the ball away in our own final third because where on the backfoot straight away and in europe u just can't do that because youll get punished so moral of the story hopefully get a few players in before maribor go out their for the first leg keep the back door bolted is a must! get them back to paradise and have a go infront of a packed celtic park and hopefully doo ehnough to go through and if celtic want to make a few bob buy ambrose a plane ticket and charge 5 pound a ticket to see his plane take off sure make a new few bob from that

08 Aug 2014 14:35:20
I think what others will learn from NL, JC and Rd, is that we have a Reive /Clough type situ development unfolding

Are u comparing RD to Brian Clough?

08 Aug 2014 20:20:34
Indeed not nor lennon to reive just I think maybe a similar situ.Dont think that team went out to win. Already thinking JC is causing grief. how else can you explain that performance?

TTTS, I agree with you about JC. A very bizarre appointment.

08 Aug 2014 12:55:05
Does anybody know the exact wording if the rule used to kick Legia out? I'm interested to see whether the punishment is black and white or subjective depending on the individual case. Because if it's the latter then I think it's disgraceful that they were kicked out for 3 minutes when we were already 6-1 down. And if we had done the same do you think our punishment would have been as severe? I'm not so sure. We'll take it no matter how we get through but it's a bit embarassing tbh we were outclassed by a team we should be beating and we mustn't forget that and the fans must still demand investment! Also, don't often post rumours etc but heard off a guy in work that £10m has been agreed for big Fraz?

{Ed007's Note - UEFA Reg.18.05: The club bears the legal consequences for fielding a player who is not named on list A or B, or who is otherwise not eligible to play.}

Have they explained the differences between this decision and the almost identical Debrecen case? I really think this is totally unjust unless UEFA can explain why this case is different. I'm embarrassed to be quite honest.

{Ed007's Note - The Debrecen player wasn't suspended so there are no similarities between the two. It's two separate issues, Kev.}

We discussed/deciphered this last night Kevbhoy, personally a think they took decision early to let draws happen.

Furthermore, it was not Celtic who "flagged it up" / appealed it, it was there own man (uefa) case closed

Happy with that lads. It just wouldn't have sat right with me if it looked like we had been given special treatment because we are the bigger club.

Legia were not kicked out . Because they fielded a suspended player they forfeited the game . The rule is that meant they lost the 2nd leg 3-0 . That left the two ties 4 all in aggregate . Celtic go through on away goals .

08 Aug 2014 10:14:55
Good morning ED007 here is an idea of a poll to pass to ED001.
Do celtic fans trust manager delia to sign "Celtic Class" players and not more rejects from other reserve sides? (wording not great but ED001 can tidy that up)

{Ed007's Note - Done Tim.}

08 Aug 2014 12:19:41
Firstly, well done Ed! when STV/BBC could not agree over the interpretation of the punishment you mate were spot on!

Now could you please enlighten us the "cut off date" for any new singings to be registered in time to play against Maribor? atvb

{Ed007's Note - Signings for the Play-Off Round must be made by 24.00 CET (Central European Time) on the 11th August 2014, a club may register a maximum of one new eligible player after that deadline. Such
registration must be completed by 24.00 CET on the day before the relevant first-leg match.}

I really hope we get at least a player or two before the deadlines.
We have to make use of our success.

08 Aug 2014 11:22:25
This is taking a while to sink in. Anyone else think this ain't right? Does it come down to the fact that we have better lawyers than Legia? Sad day when our lawyers are better than our centre forwards. Says a lot about the executive branch and the ethos at parkhead if so.

I also expect a prolonged dispute like a few years back.

weird.

It was uefa who started the investigation, nothing to do with celtic or their lawyers

This has nothing to do with lawyers Uefa detected the problem.the legia official who dealt with registering players should be sacked immediately.the rules are there for all to see. They were broken so accept the consequences nothing whatsoever ever to do with celtic.killy.

Thanks for clarifying buoys. Still not sure I like it tho.

Was it Celtic who complained or did uefa spot it. It seems to have happened very suddenly.

08 Aug 2014 11:12:10
Celtic drawn away to Maribor.

08 Aug 2014 10:52:44
So we are back in champs league, a bit embarrassing really that said I will take it, guarantees euro football till xmas and the bonus that the blue noses are spitting feathers LOL

08 Aug 2014 10:38:34
Looking like it's confirmed, as embarrassing as it is.

08 Aug 2014 10:29:15
Just wanted to say a couple of things about Delia and the current Celtic squad.
Firstly I am in two minds about Delia, I posted a few days ago that I thought he was a "yes" man but his comments about too many games and travelling too much before qualifiers got my approval, if he can stand up to lawwell next pre season (if he is still here) over this it will make a huge difference.
I still think he lacks both passion and the knowledge of what it means to us celtic fans to play in CL every season.
Now to the players, playing CL qualifiers so early is a big disadvantage most Celtic fans accept that, but what we cannot accept is the insipid displays we have witnessed so far, are the players behind Delia and collins it does not look like it.
Celtic fans want the passion from players that lennon brought back, the team must take a good hard look at themselves and start playing for the famous Celtic jersey.
Finally, I think it is time for all true Celtic fans to protest about lawwell and his lack of transfer action, Celtic must from now on make any lawwell bonus tied in with success on the park and not in the bank balance. he is happy to collect huge bonuses personally without helping Celtic football club on the park.

I am with you Tim but think we have to give the board a chance to redeem themselves see if they come up with new QUALITY players before this deadline They have a second chance to do what is rite let's see if they use it

08 Aug 2014 10:25:50
Hoops go through on away goals.

Board now needs to invest in the team or same thing is going to happen. We need a goal scoring striker a cb and 2 wingers at least to have any chance.

Feel sorry for Legia as we were destroyed and this only papers over the cracks for time being

08 Aug 2014 10:18:30
We're back in troops! HH!

08 Aug 2014 10:15:02
Getting a bit fed up hearing how Celtic should be embarrassed and are a laughing stock. I'd be more embarrassed if my team had played someone who was ineligible and got thrown out for downright stupidity. Yes, Celtic were terrible and don't deserve to go through, but if they play well and get into the CL proper I won't be complaining!

08 Aug 2014 05:24:59
Here is the Uefa rules, sad I know. But reading this I fear it seems pretty cut and dried It basically states fielding a suspended player IS a match forfeit and fielding an illegible player MAY lead to a match forfeit. I truly think it would be an injustice if Legia were kicked out but if the boy wasn't registered for St Pats looks like there's no alternative. The Drebrecan case was not president it was simply within the laws of the game.

Uefa Disciplinary Regulation 21

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If a match cannot take place or cannot be played in full, the member association or club responsible forfeits the match

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A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.



3

A match may be declared forfeit if a player who is ineligible under the regulations of the competition concerned participates in the match, as long as the opposing team files a protest.

Apparently the meeting is at 9am, so hopefully find out at lunch time what's going to happen.

If it is decided its a match forfeit, at least that guarantees europa group stages at minimum.

08 Aug 2014 07:25:05
Ronny needs all the help he can get unfortunately.

Well that's that then if that's what it says. Surely?