Celtic Banter Archive October 07 2013

 

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07 Oct 2013 22:41:21
Rangers chief executive Craig Mather and finance director Brian Stockbridge have held discussions in South Africa with Dave King over the club's future.
King invested heavily during Sir David Murray's Ibrox reign and maintained interest during recent club events.
But issues with South African tax authorities prevented him from playing a more significant role.
King recently agreed to pay almost £44m to the Revenue Service as criminal charges against him were dropped.
A spokesman for the Rangers board told x "Craig Mather and Brian Stockbridge have been meeting a number of investors.
"Craig is returning from South Africa tonight (Monday) and has also been in Dubai. Brian was in South Africa last week."
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Everything coming full circle? You couldn't make it up.
Well they need to get serious money from somewhere. It's running out. Another new club will need another three years accounts if they don't save this one. He'll need to get shares for his money.

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A remarkable observation during and post the destruction of old RFC was the SPIV language used, by the SPIVs, and readily parroted by the media. Gems such as Green bought "the business and Assets" how can you buy the "business" when the business is bankrupted owing £138m to 276 creditors? Buying the "business" necessitates paying the 276.
Similarly, "he bought the goodwill". This is the biggest laugh. There's zero goodwill in a liquidation situation, only badwill from the shafted creditors.
Likewise, he bought the history. Fascinating concept. Utterly ridiculous of course. How can you buy memories? Or other peoples records?
McCoist, Derek johnstone, Jardine, Hately, . None of them ever played football for this, green's new formed club.
The spiv language "relegated from spl" or "sent down the leagues" is plainly untrue. A lie. Old RFC were still in the spl when green applied for entry. A new club asking to get in. Old RFC even voted as one of the 12 clubs. Rangers and "The Rangers" as they were known for their first few weeks, co-existing at the same time, but completely different entities.
SPIV language by the media. Why bother? Who wants to live in an Indy Scotland run like this?

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With Spivs it's all about the sell, the spinning.
McCostly was like mini-me spiv with his hero Green. Parroting Green, it's the same club, it's the same club, it's the same club.
Just because two SPIVS dish up the same patter, doesn't make it true.

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Another SPIV lie: "Most successful football club in the world".

Formed in 2012.

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Was in a pub in Yorkshire when a 'most successful club in the world' banner came up during UEFA final and people were rolling about laughing.

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07 Oct 2013 18:13:23
**FAO CELTIC BANTER**

Come on Bhoys, let's stop talking about these loosers from Govan. They are dead let's forget them and dance on thier graves. Get back to chatting about the champs.

HH ShottsBhoy

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Am way you Shottsbhoy

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Dance on our Graves that's nice.

LB

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@2 Did you not read the daily Ranger today, setanta said your team is dead and your new team won't get any compensation from them. Let's wait and see if the new Rangers sue for the money
Tambhoy

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@2 lb it is not nice its beautiful, ., .kbarry

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Can anyone see changes to SPFL next season? Hearts relegated this season . huns promoted this season. to championship. are you with me? Following season only one team promoted . one having further season in championship. are SPFL willing to take the chance that Hearts might win the league. quandary of quandaries!

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Wouldn't imagine the current hearts team would beat the current rangers team

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07 Oct 2013 18:33:18
Don't know how to go about this without getting a hard time but our celtic page is again full sh*te about another team. Just an observation.
Did any1 see Mcgregor scored a double for notts county he's looking good, maybe other youngsters should be looking to go on loan for game time, does any1 know how Tony Watt getting on

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Good post mate. I can understand mentioning the big news about them if it affects us in the long term or is genuinely funny but like yourself I'm not in the least bit interested in Sevco's boardroom battle or what that fat sleekit lying c*nts wages where or now are. It's all bullsh*t. Let them get on with worrying about wether their new club is heading for the happy hunting ground or boasting about Lewis Macleod scoring an overhead kick that my old dear could have scored, even with her chronic arthritis.

Tony Watt has 2 goals in 4 appearances at Lierse mate. 1 start and 3 sub appearances. Callum McGregor showed up well against Liverpool in the league cup last month so I'm sure Celtic will be keeping an eye on him. I think Twardzik, McGeouch, Chalmers etc need to go out and get first team experience especially now we have fringe players like Rogic and have beefed up the first team pool with the likes of Boerrigter, Balde etc

Your post just reminded me Jackson Irvine is out on loan. Think it was Killie he went to. I'm going to have a look and see if he's been injured or how he's been getting on because I haven't seen or heard anything on him. What a game he had against Liverpool in the Dublin decider, man of the match for me. He's shown up well whenever I've seen him play so high hopes for him.

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A new there was some1 els out on loan couldn't member who, haven't heard much of him though he definitely showed promise in pre season, Watt only a sub a heard somewhere there manager had called him fat and lazy.
McGowan and fat Adam both showed up well on loan at St Mirren probably because they were given the chance

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@2 signed out again monkeybhoy

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I only saw the walking dead goals as it was on a news channel here in Singapore. Probably get roasted for this but regardless of anything else, I thought macleod's goal was well taken regardless who it was for or against.

TinyTim

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@ MonkeyBhoy, Cheers for backing me up mate. I agree that it's funny reading about those zombie clown's antics, but if they see us chatting about them, they start the 'oh you are obessed with sevco' patter! I love getting ripped into them but this full page is about them!
Lets celebrate being scotland most sucessful club and boasting about our money lol

HH ShottsBhoy

PS did anyone hear Messi sat out the champs league game as he is going to cancel his Barca contract and play for free for the mighty hoops? It's not true but a rumour none the less!

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There is an agenda and a wish for everyone to forget, let it be, just move on. That's a con in itself. To conveniently forget all the other cons.
Don't fall for it ever.

Never forget (motto of the Campbell's).

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@6 I actually prefer the motto Never Forget, Never Forgive, it seems more apt.

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TinyTim I stand by my original comment. It was arguably the easiest overhead kick chance to convert i've seen. Yes he did take it well, smartly if you will but it doesn't get away from the fact it was a simple chance. You are of course entitled to your opinion buddy. Hail Hail

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07 Oct 2013 17:32:09
Why was Craig Whyte able to negotiate with Ticketus four years of David Murray's Rangers season book sales, months before he bid for the club without David Murray knowing?
David Murray had used ticketus conveniently for years (with P Murray).
Whyte had never done business in his life with Ticketus and like the rest of us should never have heard of them.

Stinks to the rafters. {Ed007's Note - There are other clubs that use Ticketus for short-term loans which are guaranteed against future season tickets. It is usually at the end of season though, to keep the club ticking over until next season's ticket money, prize money etc is received, then the club (not company) pays back the loan and interest. Ticketus receive a percentage of Everton's season ticket sales through an ongoing arrangement.}

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I understand that Ed (OP here) but point is how can Whyte sell David Murray's (84% owner) season tickets before Whyte even owned a club? {Ed007's Note - Ticketus were recommended to Whyte buy the shamed 'Sir' from Charlotte Square. It is called a leveraged buyout and is the same way the Glazers bought over Man Utd for £800m of loans secured against the club's (not surprisingly no distinction was made between the club and company, strange that??) assets.}

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Edo, SDM to my knowledge has categorically denied he knew Whyte got the money from ticketus.

Also isn't Alastair Johnston's police complaint regarding the buyout being illegal all about Whyte using ticketus loan against the club' sown assets (tickets)? {Ed007's Note - The shamed 'Sir's mining company used Whytes plant hire company so that is that argument blew out the window right away. There is nothing illegal about leveraged buyouts, as the Man Utd takeover, amongst many others, proves.
What is the difference between borrowing from a bank to buy a business or borrowing from another source? None.}

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Yes but you don't borrow using the assets of the business your buying as collateral (before you own them) as that's the business effectively buying itself. {Ed007's Note - You obviously don't understand or haven't bothered reading what a leveraged buyout is. Read up on that and it will all become clear. You borrow money (mortgage) against a house before you own it don't you?}

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07 Oct 2013 13:55:58
So ogre most vile has invited his etb mate to make the SFA cup draw.
Is there no shame?
How Novo the runt of some Spanish stray dogs litter and tweeter of sectarian insults is allowed to make the draw for Scotland's premier football cup is quite astounding .
Who allowed this decision, have they no shame?.
What next? Finlay to sing the national anthem before the cup final?.TTTS

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Two new clubs SEVCO New Rangers and Airdrieonians have been drawn for Scottish cup. Clubs were formerly RFC and Clydebank.

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SEVCO drawn at home as usual. Warm and cold balls?
Last year SEVCO got five cups home draws in a row. There's a 3.125% chance of that or 97% it's not possible. Go figure!

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Not surprised home draw as with sneaky cancelling Dunfermline game would have meant 5 weeks without revenue

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There's no money in cup runs for SEVCO unless they get home drawn. Kinda undermines the whole SFA SEVCO agenda if they get drawn away.

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Ogre ville getting put in as boss at SFA for another term is utterly baffling.
Why are the SFA positions not elected by Scottish season book holders?

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@5 a don't think that would be entirely fair seen as celtic have the most season book holders by a long way

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07 Oct 2013 12:37:52
Don't take much stock in office rumours. but this one caught my interest.
Secret talks to initiate stadium sale and leaseback have just stalled after legal wording in documents given to the investors who paid for the building of the Club Deck prohibits any sale until all monies have been paid to the original investors.
A legal oversight meant that the outstanding debt was not included in the original asset purchase and it must either be settled in full (approx £7m) or run its course with full settlement not due until 2025.

DoH!. Now there's a spanner in the 'Stockbridge' lease plan

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Surely D&P sorted that in admin and in liquidation, BDO cancels all contracts.
They can sell leaseback no problem if Whyte and Early agree. It's surely mostly owned by Whyte and early.

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07 Oct 2013 12:05:43
A quote from today's S*n, ed- i've uploaded a picture too to the sightings page.

"Rangers missed out on a share of £600,000 payout from former TV company Setanta - because technically they don't exist anymore.
Clubs who were part of the SPL between 2009 and 2012 received payments this week as their final dividend for the company going into administration back in 2009.
But Rangers got nothing as they were classed as a club that no longer exists after their liquidation in June 2012."

Thank you S*n Sport for clearing that up!

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PS - Before anyone asks, I did not buy this paper! one of the guys in work had it.

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I sincerely hope TRIFC take Setanta Administrators to court and we get the issue declared in front of a sitting judge.
Trifc have zero ownership of any video or TV rights of any former RFC games.

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You beat me to the punch there Gerry. It's great to see the MSM are now showing they will not be threatened and bullied into towing the party line regarding Scotland's newest club.

Che Connolly.

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This New Rangers club has never ever been part of the SPL. They applied to get in and were refused. They applied to get in sfl1 then 2 and were refused. The SFL charitably waived their regulations (three years of audited accounts) and allowed them in sfl3. McCostly and Green went on TV thanking the SFL for allowing them in.

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06 Oct 2013 23:08:31
Ed can you or fellow Tim's clear up our signing policy,
Does NL find any targets or is it JP or others
Does NL have final say on signings or not
IMO pukki looks light weight and not ready
Balde not ready(as we don't see him enough)
Biton not impressed so far
Derk not impressed yet
Virgil looks v good
Moyokolo waste

We also have stokes, Ledley, samaras and others out of contract soon so is NL being undermined as we sell best players and can't get any priority positions filled with reasonable players (lb and st)
Jim {Ed007's Note - As far as I know it is more like a team effort. NL and JP recommend players to each other. Scouts will inform JP about possible targets and JP will then watch them before going to NL about the player. NL will then look at the player before both NL and JP go to PL. The player's agent will be informally told about the interest so that PL is being presented with rough figures of the cost before contacting the player's club to negotiate. I wouldn't say NL has the final say, player's have been signed solely on the recommendation of JP.
That makes it all sound very straightforward but what I have outlines will be the 'normal' basic route, then you have player's agents tipping off scouts or managers that a player is looking to move, NL will tell JP what position he is looking to strengthen etc etc. Transfers are a lot more difficult to conclude than most people think.}

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Thanks for reply ed but why do you think we have been dragging our heels with extending some contracts when the manager clearly wants the players to stay. You can only play a game of who blinks first for so long and approaching 6 months to go is too long IMO the summer past was the sign or sell time. {Ed007's Note - I'm totally against allowing players to enter the final year of their contract. It makes it easier for us to lose players for nothing which goes completely against the business model of signing young hungry players and selling them for a profit.
I have a suspicion that if Hooper had stayed on an improved contract then Stokes would have been sold last summer, I think it is obvious that NL has his doubts over Stokes at the top level (CL) so perhaps he thinks the wages could be better invested elsewhere. The talks with Stokes are at an impasse right now.}

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That may have been the case regards stokes in the summer but fast forward to now and stokes is a country mile ahead of pukki and is surely worth his wage demand of 12k if rumours are right as he is being noticed and will have a sell on value if reqd. As for Sammy Ledley Kayal izzy they could all go but experience is required to replace them not potential or we risk stepping back further
Jim

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