Celtic Banter Archive June 07 2014

07 Jun 2014 21:03:09
Evening ed, just been messing about on YouTube watching some old footage of really really skilful players from my fav era i.e hagi., stoichkov, Baggio, right up until now and I can't see anybody in my opinion who was skilfully on a par with ronaldinho, do you and my fellow readers have anyone in mind from these periods in time cheers

{Ed007's Note - Gabriel Batistuta, the Angel Gabriel is one of the best strikers in history, 300 goals in 516 matches and 56 in 78 for Argentina. I was also a huge Lothar Matthaus fan, Emilio Butragueno and Hugo Sanchez was my favourite Real Madrid players when I was younger before Raul came along and Predrag Mijatovic was some player as well. I could talk all night about old players lol.}

Know what you mean, Lombardo, zidane, okocha was class Romario, rival do was awesome aye could go on right enough my boy always on about messi ( we won't go there ) told him go look at players that I can clearly render from 1982 onwards, have to say the greatest I've ever seen has to be maradonna ( unbelievable )

{Ed007's Note - I agree with you about Maradona, he's the best player ever to play the game, nobody comes even close to him imo.}

07 Jun 2014 22:12:51
Ronaldinho for me too falkirk. I'm guessing I'm younger than a lot on here but his individual brilliance was/is second to none for me. ZZ being another fairly obvious one. Never reached the level of the players you menchioned but Jay Jay Okocha, some tricks that lad pulled off, my goodness. There's got to be a good compilation of him somewhere. Bergkamp being another, was behind the goal when he turned Dabizas, first and only time I've seen people around me applaud an opponents goal.

Robert prozinetski and zvonimir boban. Spelling on both?

07 Jun 2014 22:26:00
Zidane was some player had the pleasure of being right in line of his hampden goal, Rudd Guillit was another had the pleasure of telling him this (in London) he asked me where I was from and told him Paisley he informed me that he had played in Love St only to be spat at in the face as he was leaving the park! he felt it was racial, George Weah at his peak but plus marks too Hagi, Matthaus too think the purest would take someone who thrill/skill rather than pace any day , Although not in there league would have adored to see Lubo in a Celtic shirt 5 years ago oddly enough ZZ said he was the best no. 10 he had ever seen if a remember?

Here a thread from it on our topical new coach the last two who were "strange" appointments were Dr Jo and Wim the Tim and they gave us Lubo and Henrik . no pressure then RD lol all the very best in your new quest HH

07 Jun 2014 22:26:46
Baggio was ma hero growing up. Watched football italia on channel 4 every weekend back when itialian football was watchable. Agree with ed about batistuta the guy was a beast played with edmundo and rui costa with fiorentina back when I watched itilian football Was some trio

The player who always sticks in my mind is the baldy Bulgarian Letchkov. Brilliant midfielder, who's headed goal against Germany in the world cup in 1994 was fantastic! Just one of those players who very rarely put a foot wrong and just got on with it.

No one has mentioned the mighty Archie Gemmil yet

Ok answer me this if you can . How come all the greatest players skill wise were nt tall ie, maradona, hagi, lubo, gascoinge, jinky, etc etc low centre gravity? Practice, or just a god given talent we were able to witness

{Ed007's Note - They have a low centre of gravity. A footballer, with a low centre of gravity, can run about changing direction, accelerating and decelerating more easily whilst still maintaining his balance. Have a read at this. That should explain it better.}

@falkirkbhoy I agree mate. Messi and Ronaldo have the stats on their side but Ronaldinho was the best player to watch for me. Almost every game he did something that just beggared belief and the main thing is he did it with a smile on his face. He just loved playing football. The ultimate showman! Although Zidane wasn't far behind.

07 Jun 2014 23:12:03
I used to make a point of watching faustino asprilla or hristo stoichkov

07 Jun 2014 23:24:25
Nice Read , never saw jinky play in flesh

Ronaldo 6ft 1nch?? Is that with 3 inch heels on lol

That was actually a good read ed, ps can't believe I forgot to put in my fav player past 5 yrs ineista, boys just superb

08 Jun 2014 01:19:08
Might be a lot of Rafael Shidte, but I'm sure I've seen a quote from Ronaldinho saying he would love to play for us one day. Surely a deal like that would pay for it's self through merchandise and exposure in South America. Could it ever happen? I wish lol.
For me the greatest ever is the original Ronaldo, totally unplayable during his time at Barca and Inter. Even at Madrid when he put on the weight he was awsome. He would be closely followed by Zidane and Ronaldinho.

Loving the old player talk tonight. For me Ronny was best ave seen at parkhead with barca, prozneski near him with Zagreb walkin about with fag one hand drink the other nutmeging folk, my fave from football Italia days was the wee cf ruban Sousa at inter. Plus big Mark was a joy when he was not stressed out his nut and in oz

08 Jun 2014 11:44:57
My favorite from the time was Marco van basten , his goal against the ussr is still my favorite non Celtic goal .

A man I can remember watching when I was growing up (not technically gifted, but his headering ability was out of this world) was Oliver Bierhoff. Especially his time at Udinese! Back in the days when Football Italia with James Richardson (sitting in wee cafés in different Italian cities every week, reviewing the Italian sports pages, etc) was on Ch4.

07 Jun 2014 17:33:10
Ed - Any idea who is recommending John Collins as Ronny's No 2 and why? Cheers Ian

{Ed007's Note - I have no idea but they need a swift boot to the haw-maws! There's a good chance it's Pedro or John Park who briefly worked with Collins at Hibs.}

You reckon there is something in this rumour ED? Seems to have come right out of left field.

{Ed007's Note - I think there is mate, and I don't think Deila is getting much input on the matter. Collins being forced on him and Gordon in signing talks behind his back is not the best of starts imo.
I can't think of any reason why Collins would even be considered for ANY position at the club on the footballing staff, what exactly will he bring to the table? It's been five years since he managed or coached, throw his disastrous year as DOF at Livingston in and it seems even more bizarre.
Pedro needs to take a step back and let Deila get his own people in, people he trusts. Appointing Collins would look like Pedro wants his own cuckoo in the nest and someone who will do his bidding on the footballing staff while keeping him informed of what's going on. It's hardly showing confidence in your choice of manager if you're dictating who the assistant will be.}

I wouldn't have J Collins either .

That's right I forgot Park was at Hibs, sounds as if John Park has a lot of say in what happens and what doesn't happen up there. I used to think he was great for the club but I'm having second thoughts now. He's got a lot power up there.

ED007: Agreed mate. The only counter argument may be that RD is prepared to listen to input re his No2 as he has very limited knowledge of the Scottish game.I do think there are better candidates though as you say has been away for a while.I thought Houston would have been the front runner myself.

This is the thing that worries me. Ronny will be a bit overawed about landing such a big job. Does this mean he will accept the interference from the board? It looks as if they are already sticking their noses in with this Craig Gordon bid. Why do we need this injury prone keeper on our books? If my skeptical side was to surface I would say it is because big Fraser will be offski after the world cup. The norm for a new manager is for him to bring his tried and tested coaches with him but this is increasingly not the case with big clubs. Just look at Man U with Giggs being made second in command to LVG. Do you think Louie in his heart of hearts wants Giggs as his right hand man? I would have thought he would have wanted to bring his own staff with him. If the board start dictating who Ronny should work with, it's not a very good start for him. Who is banding Collins name around, is it the MSM? Good to see that messes Keevins and Jackson, didn't have the inside scoop about Ronny. That is priceless for me that these two excuses for sports journos were clueless!

{Ed007's Note - Van Gaal wanted to bring his assistant at Holland, Patrick Kluivert (remember him?) with him but Utd weren't having it and wanted to keep a link with the club's traditions and recent history in place.}

What happened to the days where the manager dealt with all things related to the football side and the money men did there thing? To many cooks

Bit off topic but when you posted Kluivert, remember him, I seem to remember him being linked with us on a loan years ago before his big breakthrough.What player he was, one of the best forwards in Europe for me at his peak.

{Ed007's Note - He was a great player when he was younger GJ. We weren't the only Scottish team linked with him, although he was a well established player by this time, do try not to laugh:

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James Traynor, Daily Record, 2 November 1996

£80m TO SPEND

Kenny will be given a roving role to go out and recommend - and try to attract - the best."We're not talking about young or middle of the road players - we're talking the VERY best. Dalglish will be given an open chequebook to make sure the big names are made an offer they can't refuse. Murray knows the name of King Kenny will not only help capture top stars, but will increase interest from potential investors.

That Dream Team in Full

Ajax attackers PATRICK KLUIVERT and MARC OVERMARS would immediately create a £15 million hole in the Ibrox funds - but would no longer be an impossible prospect.

Paris St Germain's brilliant Brazilian RAI would also come into the equation and players like JURGEN KLINSMANN and PAOLO MALDINI would become targets.

Dalglish's brilliant record in England could prompt moves for ERIC CANTONA and ROBBIE FOWLER.

Top agents like Edinburgh's Jake Duncan reckons even Barcelona's RONALDO would not be out of Dalglish's reach.

If Rangers are making millions then the sky is the limit.
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Anyone any idea how all that worked out?

07 Jun 2014 22:09:56
Maybe I'm not so paranoid after all .

07 Jun 2014 22:21:54
Still remember waiting outside the London Road club near Barrowfield, in the pishing rain, as a wee nipper, for one man only, and he refused to sign my sticker book. Not that I'm bitter but I don't want him at Celtic. Scheidt manager, our Captain and most influential player hates him and most of all, I'm assuming he isn't RD's choice. Just seems like RD is being assembled as some sort of jigsaw put together by non-footballing people. That's just my own assumptions though.

@ED007; don't laugh! to late, reminds you of just how much these clowns wanted to dine on succulent lamb!

07 Jun 2014 22:33:17
Yeah ED remember the advert doing the rounds at the time too

the future's bright . the future's orange . turned out to be WHYTE then GREEN lmfao and in beiween they signed SELLICK

We all might have a wee chuckle about this, but they were deadly serious at the time. They honestly believed they could attract these players to Ibrokes! They would have thrown massive salaries to have them. Looking back now, going bust and extinct was inevitable!

{Ed007's Note - They were on their 8th title in their 9 in a row when that was published, obviously it's a more modern concept that a lack of any competition in the league equals armageddon for Scottish football, funny that.}

Need to remember bhoys the job park has done already at the club. He should have a bit of clout. Plus I'm more than sure he would have been the man pushing for big Ron. After being impressed when watching Stefan. So I feel Ron would like his input be it choosing his number 2 or any other stuff due to that. Plus he will know of Gordon everyone did he was class and if on pay as u play then he's a gamble well worth taking

Did Park recommend Pukki and Baldie as well as Wanyama or just Wanyama? This is something I can't get my head round it seems lawwell and park signed wWnyama Hooper Ledley and NL signed the rest . The PR in Park head is up there with the smsm

{Ed007's Note - For me the final decision on signings should be down to the manager. After all it's his job and reputation on the line if things go wrong.}

08 Jun 2014 10:25:02
Should be but is it, do you think our new manager is looking to buy Craig Gordon?

{Ed007's Note - No chance. If Gordon signs it will have nothing to do with Deila.}

08 Jun 2014 13:42:11
Hense my thoughts on other signings

Not necessary TTS, as Craig Gordon signing saga has taken place when Celtic are between Managers .

Personally I wouldn't have him at Celtic

07 Jun 2014 15:53:35
I'm looking forward to Ronny Deila being gaffer. He talks a good game, about attacking, and putting on a show. For this season to be a success, A league win PLUS a trophy is a must. Getting to group stage of Champions League would be a bonus, but if we don't get there, I won't be calling for his head. The last gaffer only won the Scottish cup in the first season, as well as being horsed in the qualifying round of both The Champions league, and Europa League, yet he managed to stay for 4 seasons

Good Luck Ronny

To be fair I think our new boss is inheriting a better squad who are better motivated, than his predeccessor . Having said that I hope we give Deila enough time to settle in and be successful with us .

07 Jun 2014 13:40:09
Think we need to get things into perspective, every single appointment, be it player ( regardless of cost), manager, chief exec or club owner is a gamble. Football is big jigsaw puzzle, and when every piece fits it can absolutely magical. Unfortunately when things go wrong, everyone wants a scapegoat. Need to give the guy a chance to find all his pieces and put them together.

Chasaboy you have explained the situation brilliantly . No appointment is a guarantee success let's hope .

07 Jun 2014 10:32:40
Since the announcement of Ronny Bhoy as our new manager, and I have posted here that it excites me, the posts on the subject have been interesting. From what I can gather the majority of us are behind this appointment.Good.

When Lennon, who has blotted his copybook somewhat with his 'my No2' comments, was in the managers chair I think the general consensus was we were becoming a bit stale and predictable.Last season I watched games, home and away, where we seemed to be pedantic and lacking in energy.There were occasions when it clicked but these were few and far between, and of course when it did not, V Morton and Aberdeen in the cups, we were very poor.

One of Deila's quotes, 'we need the team to energise the stadium' struck a chord with me. Lennon seemed to think it was the other way round.The fact is we need the team to be expending maximum effort and giving their all to rouse 40-50 or 60 thousand people.
This was proven in the Aberdeen comeback game which had a cracking atmosphere in the last twenty minutes, all because the crowd could clearly see the effort being put in by the players. So why could we not play at that tempo from first whistle to last?

For me it had to be down to coaching/managing.Players walk over the white line with specific instructions.If said players do not follow these orders then they should be removed and replaced.It really is that simple.In many games we seemed to be playing at a tempo that suited our opponents, slow movement and passing with a lack of urgency.Listening to RD it seems he is a great believer in pressing very high up the pitch.Forwards are the first line of defence and must work teams defenders as soon as they receive the ball.This will not suit a few players we have.

Ambrose will need to release the ball a lot quicker, Stokes will need to put in more of a shift closing down, and more worryingly Commons, one of our better ball players, will have to up his game.One thing is for sure this will be interesting as I suspect RD is a coach with ambition and a vision of how we should be playing.I also suspect it may well be the same vision we all have for Celtic.

Cards on the table? If we don't qualify for the CL I will not be calling for his head.He has 6-7 weeks till our first game, hardly enough time to assess a squad of players.For me this is about re-shaping our club from top to bottom.It's about performance as much as results.It's about youth being encouraged to express themselves when they make the first eleven not just playing the safe ball. Let's pack Celtic Park and give this guy maximum support as I am sure he will be putting maximum effort into his job.

He's a gamble GJ, no doubt about it and there's no way anyone can know how this will work it but you could say that to an extent about the majority of Managers. He doesn't have the European experience some were looking for but neither did Lennon, took him a couple of goes to get us there, clear out some players and get in his own.

I will be disappointed if we don't get the group stages after the last 2 seasons, maybe I'd forgive Europa.

This isn't his team, it's Lennon's without Ledley and possibly Sammy. We still need a Centre Forward and could really be doing with another centre half. The midfield is a bit of a worry, Biton and Stefan (who has work with Ronny) look the part but they've not really been tested.

VVD and Ambrose still collapse as well when tested - a debate for another day maybe :-)

I didn't have the gripes some had with Lenny (cup game, yes) but I think he had taken the team as far as he could with the backing he was getting. This guy is new, fresh so let's see what he has. So far it's just words.

Cannae wait for the season to start now!

Aye Mrs E. I was and am a good supporter of Lennon but his time was up. I think we should be grateful he has won three in a row and has left the makings of a good young team . I expect R D to take advantage of the ground work done and take us to a new level in performance, trophies and in Europe .

07 Jun 2014 08:57:46
I am annoyed. And disappointed.
I am sure Ronny is a decent spud and all that. I am sure he has a bag full of enthusiasm for his new job and I'm sure he will face it with great determination and confidence. I am not criticising Ronny Deila in any way.
There are a hundred, maybe a thousand, promising young managers all over the world and some of them will be the future of football but most of them will not be. Ronny falls into that 'promising young manager' category and he could one day turn out to be the legend we all would like him to become. But he hasn't been involved in football at the level our club is at. Yes, managers and players have to get a chance to see if they can make it to the next step. And that's why I'm annoyed. And disappointed. Not at Ronny Deila but at the Board. For some reason the people in charge of Celtic FC, estd. 1888, former European Cup Winners, the best team in Scotland by a mile and one of the best supported teams in the world don't believe they should bring in a man with enough experience to play at the level they want the club to play at.
I will support Ronny Deila with great enthusiasm and I am sure he will put an honourable shift in. He will want success as much as we want it.
David Moyes and Manchester United springs to mind here: a talented manager at a smaller club goes to a very big club and almost immediately gets bamboozled by the brightness of the lights at his new place of work. The end result is a big club in temporary turmoil and a 'promising' manager who feels he has just had his head kicked in by 70000 supporters.
It's a bit like if you were planning a round the world trip in a car. Would you choose a car because it was cheap and had shown it's ability to drive 500 miles without exploding, or would you choose a car that costs a few quid more but has travelled the distance you expect of it many times before?
Ronny Deila is a gamble. A big gamble. And I'm not a betting man. And that's why I'm uneasy with it all. I wish him well though.

Your speaking from the heart mate, try and disconnect yourself and look logically at the situation.

The facts are very paint a very different picture. Yes we are former winners of the European cup.not the Champions league and it was a very, very long time ago.We cannot let this be a millstone around current teams necks.The Lions should never be forgotten and rightly lauded for the way they won it, and the fact they were the first British/non Latin team to do it, with a home grown squad.But as I say it was a long time ago.

We also are the best team in Scotland not by a mile but by a clear distance, if it was a mile we would have a few trebles tucked away in our trophy cabinet. You must also remember that our support is down, for a variety of reasons but non the less down, and their are lots of clubs all over Europe who dwarf our figures.

On the managerial side, what big name European experienced coach would fancy a crack at Scotland? I would suggest we could write the names on the back of a stamp.In felt pen.Wearing boxing gloves. The Moyes comparison is a bit skewed.He walked into a dressing room full of huge egos who simply did not fancy him, for me that was his biggest problem.

I agree Deila is a gamble but surely it is worth taking?He seems to be in tune with what lots of us have been saying for a couple of years re; youth and playing style. This is not meant to be critical of a fellow Tim being worried, there is a touch of that with us all I am sure, but more a detached look.

Chris, he might turn out to be the Wanyama of the Manager world. Seems to be the way the powers-that-be at Celtic prefer and have decided is the best way forward for us.

Granted not many of us like it and I said the other day I was uneasy, let's not kid ourselves here.

Celtic teams will always get my support but have no illusions I didn't want ronny as manager possibly as coach yes. If we don't make the cl group stages I wouldn't be surprised to see a major fan backlash at ronny and in attendances which will hurt the plc. John Barnes didn't last long we're seeded in cl qualifiers so here's hoping YOU sign the right players to allow you to be a success quickly and win over disillusioned fans like me.

"could write the names on the back of a stamp.In felt pen.Wearing boxing gloves"

Absolutly howling at that - classic!

07 Jun 2014 03:53:01
Ed007. thoughts on Ronny? I must admit I have never heard of him, however that may be a reflection on my limited footie knowledge. Having seen him, he seems bright, articulate, knows how he WANTS to play, and also knows about the 'feeling of the club'. We all know this is out of left field, but I am GENUINELY ecited by this. Yes Gordon will sign, Fraz will go. we knew that. If the new gaffer can bring through a couple of young guns per yer into the 22 he will be doing well. There may be hope for Tony Watt yet!