Celtic Banter Archive January 07 2016

 

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07 Jan 2016 22:01:58
Just read a few recent messages. Reality is not being taken into account. Look across the city, gone are the days when big money can be spent or bringing in an ex-player, who has no record of managerial success and would cost us 3 times what RD is being paid. We are a team that needs to give youth a chance and sell on when appropriate. Players need to step up to the plate and fans need to back them to the hilt.

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07 Jan 2016 22:24:31
We cannot buy success . Our future must be in youth .
Now is the time to remind the world who are the best supporters .
To paraphrase President Kennedy. " Ask not what the club can do for you, but what you can do for the club "

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07 Jan 2016 22:28:20
Gone are the days for the team across the city you mean. that's their own doing, why should we lower expectations because they're a mess. Why is it the belief that the doom will be forever more. And big signings will never happen again. why not. Is armageddon due.? Football runs in circles, good times will return, it may take a while but they will.

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07 Jan 2016 22:40:59
Best post I've read in a while this is the time to bring in youth and promote from within. Look at the amount of young bhoys on display against Ajax and I thought they put in a great display. RD for me is the right man to succeed with this policy and yes he needs time to implement it.
Going forward is love to see a team along the following lines

Fasan
Souttar. Lustig simunovic. Tierney
Christie. Brown Armstrong Allan
Nesbitt
Griffiths.

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07 Jan 2016 22:43:46
hopefully your at the wind up?
Nobody's asking for "big" money to be spent!
And our youth isn't good enough, barring 3 or 4!
If you mean 3 or 4 then fair enough, they mibe get the odd 15/ 20mins here or there eventually and work their way into the team.
Youth football is one of the biggest hold backs in our game and a big bug bare of mine. it's a debate/ argument for another night.

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07 Jan 2016 23:09:04
You can buy success - if we had spent the money on a another centre half, and another striker then we would have had a far better chance in Europe! As it stands we lost between £15-£20 million going out the Champions League and at least £5-£7 million going out the Europa! Also the kids have to be good enough/ earn it, you can't just put them in because it sounds romantic to be bringing them through! We've brought throw Teirney, and Nesbitt has potential, big bloody deal! Teams all over Europe are bringing through players worth £30 million every year! If we had better youth coaches I would be more hopeful, but you can't just play kids for the sake of it. Scott Allan gets better every week even although he doesn't play! On the one hand you're praising Ronny then saying Allan should be playing -well which is it? Do you trust the manager or not? He obviously isn't doing it in training! What has he actually done in his career? He played around 10 times for D Utd, never got a game for West Brom, went on loan to Birmingham and Milton Keynes Dons played a few games, looked at least a stone overweight, then he's had a good season at Hibs! He's in his fecking mid 20's and has done nothing! Also GMS and Armstrong have hardly had 1 good game between them all season! Forrest has a good game every couple of months! Who are all these kids you are all talking about that are going to save the day and be the future? That's why we've had s season from hell - there's no balance in the team, no leaders, no talkers, no experience, and not that much ability either! The only criteria is quality, it doesn't matter if they are 15 or 35, from Scotland or Greenland as long as they have ability and different facets to their game!

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07 Jan 2016 23:11:53
'Youth football is one of the biggest hold backs in our game', is one of the most ridiculous statements I have read on here, youth football is the only way to go, but I think we need to get a better coach than RD to implement a successful youth policy, someone who can follow in the footsteps of Guy whatsname at Auxerre.

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07 Jan 2016 23:20:10
So do posters want to give youth a chance regardless of how good they are or not? Are you suggesting we put them on the park regardless of the results or are you so deluded to think that we can just play them and continue to win? Things are bad enough.

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07 Jan 2016 23:54:49
Aindoh sorry, it's the way I've said it, no problem with giving youth a chance at all, it's the way it's run from grass roots to the academies and so on. That's my big bare!
Like I said its for another night, some won't get it because " we are Celtic" and your not the first to jump in head first (joking)

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08 Jan 2016 00:30:50
Bigbadjohn you say nobody is asking for big money to be spent
You could have fooled me, every other day we have people listing out the money spent on Balde Banjura fridge, and so many more non scoring attackers, and the point made that if instead of wasting £1/ 2m + on these players we could have spent 3 or 4 times and get a better striker .

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08 Jan 2016 00:59:14
Oldbhoy, we could have spent 3 or 4 times more and got an even worse striker, everythings a gamble, you win some, you lose some, except at the minute its you lose some, you lose some,

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08 Jan 2016 08:55:35
All good points and I think we are all on the same page when we talk about youth being the way ahead. However, my biggest fear about this policy is that when we produce any half-decent talent, our board want to sell them off. I am all for RD and his youth policy but the ultimate goal has to be the building of a successful team with the back up product of the youth system coming through. Not going to happen under the current board of directors and their business plan which is produce and sell. Right now I do not see any progression or improvement being ALLOWED to happen. This is not down to the manager who ultimately has no say in keeping players that have a dollar value/.

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08 Jan 2016 11:00:51
I think it's okay talking about youth being the way ahead, but will people still feel the same if Rangers move ahead of us and we are no longer top dogs in Scotland.
I think it's risky and complacent to just always assume that we will for ever be at the top of the tree. We have been in a great position over the last few years, we should have used that time to make sure we dominate for years to come, sadly I think that we have wasted this golden opportunity.
If Rangers prove us wrong and turn out better than we thought, will people still say youth is the way to go, even though it will take years to come to fruition? . Not only that, but if the youngsters do turn out to be any use, then they will be sold and the whole process has to start again.
That's not the route I want to go down, I want the club to do all they can to bring success now, not in 5 years time, I don't want to see other clubs looking down on us while we wait and see if a certain group of youngsters are any good or not.

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08 Jan 2016 20:04:17
Gerry spot on. Any good player is sold. It would take years to bring youth through on a consistent basis and even then you may get 2 youth players a year making the grade. We would simply be another Hamilton accies. That's been their policy for yeRs and youth gets lots of games there. If you are going to bring youth through you need to give each of them 30 games a season to see if they will come good.

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09 Jan 2016 00:13:26
Johnnymac, I am sorry I have to ask this question again . Over the last four / five years how many of our better players did the board sell that they were not forced to by player and agent demanding a move . Please list the names of top players who were sold by the board without the players and agents forcing the clubs hands.

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07 Jan 2016 21:42:01
I was speaking to Willie Mcstay at Hearts v Dunfermline. He was looking at the young centre half for Hearts. He was saying how he thinks we should have young Nesbitt on the bench and be getting him 20/ 30 mins whenever we can. I could not agree more, we really need to be getting our best youngsters a taste of the first team rather than sign very average foreigners or guys at the end of their career taking a place on the bench. It also got me thinking that with his experience he would have been a better pick than John Collins to work alongside RD.

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07 Jan 2016 22:35:05
Willie McStay could be right , it's an opinion and very likely a good opinion .
I have nothing against Willie and maybe he would be better than Collins but that isn't a guarantee, John Collins is our assistant and I don't see any reason to change him
I am of course aware of rumours regarding his bad "managing of players at Hibs but that was a long time ago. . He may has learned from his mistakes .
Some people seem to think that him and RD were not getting on, yet both travelled to Everton's match last night and appeared relaxed in each other's company .
Didn't Willie's back room employment end shortly after N Lennon took over as manager.

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07 Jan 2016 22:42:46
I had a chat with Willie Mcstay about Coleman and he said he couldn't believe we knocked him back.

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07 Jan 2016 23:24:03
When were Hearts playing Dunfermline? Who's the young centre half you're talking about?

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07 Jan 2016 23:56:41
I would be surprised if Willie McStay couldn't believe we knocked Coleman back. McStay has been long enough in the game to know that all clubs let good youngsters slip through their nets . I don't believe u.

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07 Jan 2016 20:55:41
I think it was ten years ago today since Celtic suffered one of our worse Scottish Cup reverses in the last half century . Debuts for Wei and Roy Keane didn't exactly go as plan with the former disappearing at half time and thank God was never seen in the hoops again .
WGS recovered from this set back and had a lot of success as Celtic manager .
Hopefully RD won't have to recover from any reverse on Sunday.

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07 Jan 2016 16:14:13
Going to post something serious (for me it is hard I know)
I cannot tell you how many years I have supported the Bhoys, first as a kid with my uncle taking me to the games (my dad suffered ill health) then with all my mates in my teens frequenting the old Jungle, which I loved as the atmosphere was amazing, (ah yes the atmosphere, I will touch on that later) I also loved travelling on the supporters bus home and away and even in europe, great memories. Bought my first season ticket yonks ago, then when the girls were old enough they got their season tickets we all LOVED going to Paradise to watch the team.
Why am I boring you with my history, because apparently these days if you dare to disagree with Ronnie you are classed as "disloyal, unfaithful, not a true Celtic supporter" etc. The Delia apologists and that is exactly what they are, will not tolerate any dissenting voices of their beloved Norwegian "genius"
Well friends, I LOVE Celtic Football Club and it is precisely because of this I feel I have to speak out about the way Mr Deila and the other "custodians" are taking our club. I am aware the bold Peter, our majority shareholder Mr Desmond and our chairman Mr Bankier also have played big roles in downgrading my beloved Celtic. (Mr Bankier also appears to look at supporters like myself with disdain, how dare he)
Being of a certain age I have experienced more ups and downs than most of you on here, the scintillating years under Big Jock, Caesar's reign as a manager too during our centenary year. Many other good times too many to mention. Then all the lows, again too many, culminating with Barnes as our manager. But even during these depressing times I still LOVED Celtic Football Club. But now under Deila and this board I have fell out of love with my club, his boring style of play, his incompetance as a manager, unable to change a game by a simple tactical change, people like Lawwell promising us fans the moon then gives us the ocean floor. The atmosphere (remember that guys, people from all over the world used to rave about Parkheads great atmosphere) not any more Deila has killed it stone dead.
I am hoping to get my passion back for my celoved Celtic Football club but cannot see it returning under Delia's or this board's reign, so come on all you Ronnie apologists tell me ONE positive thing I can cling on to under his tenorship.

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07 Jan 2016 16:47:11
Well Ronny is good at the bull Tim I will give him that lol.

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07 Jan 2016 17:39:09
Timalloy, maybe you are an example of what happens when old age takes a grip. i know I am going into my late 60's myself and I don't jump around like an idiot in the jungle nor am I able to go to every match like I could years ago.

However when I go to a comedian's show if Crowd don't participate and encourage the comedian will die a death and the show will be not v enjoyable . Similarly I went to the High Kings in concert recently, the crowd was brilliant, the singing matched and we had a great night .
At Celtic games, particularly home games, crowd is mute, groans over a mis place pass are often the loudest noise . This doesn't help player or manager confidence and team display suffers .
Most of us cannot pinpoint who is responsible . It could be DD, PL, J P or it could be RD, JC or JK or it could be the players .
In any case we as supporters cannot correct or change any of the above personnel, but both individually and a group as Celtic supporters we can improve the atmosphere at Celtic Park, Improved atmosphere will lift the players and help to create even better atmosphere.

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07 Jan 2016 18:05:47
here timbo wur you oan the titanic?
did ye survive?

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07 Jan 2016 18:45:21
Old Bhoy thanks for the response but I believe Tim is talking about you and he is quite right to do so. Yes Tim it is not a great time is it and I am from the same era.

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07 Jan 2016 18:52:37
TimalloyYou are So Right, I cannot endorse enough what you said, I got my first Celtic shirt aged 4 in the very, very early 60's, I have never failed to support, rant, criticise and celebrate the path of CFC ever since, the Scars of the 90's are still with me, the joys of the 70's warm my heart, MoN years still bring exictment, big signings, great football, you know what I am talking about. Now we have this, indefensible rubbish, third rate players strutting their stuff, yes man manager and hand picked double yes men staff, but I still believe that someday soon the sun will shine again, we can have creativity, desire, skill on the pitch.
Could go on for ever but,
Tiocfaidh ar la.

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07 Jan 2016 18:52:47
Tim if you have actually fallen out of love with the club then you can't point fingers. You have to look inside for somebody to blame. Surely a gentleman of your age has see worse times and came through.

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07 Jan 2016 19:12:56
Old Bhoy, I gave it a go at Thistle game and was made to feel embarrassed by thelooks from those around me (Im just in my early 60's and have always enjoyed a good singalong at parties games etc. Yes, as a kid, I even sang the wrong ones but I had no idea what I was singing about but it was a good tune and I got to swear and have a go at the Gers)

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07 Jan 2016 19:26:44
A heartfelt post Tim and very similar to my own experiences with my team. I longed for the days of my youth, that exciting Saturday morning feeling that you were heading up to paradise for a 3pm kick off, a good crowd in the jungle, pie and bovril at half time and then home for a chippy and a few beers with the mates. Then the money stripped away the enjoyment (my lack of it after the missus fell pregnant! Lol! ) and the moneymen got involved with every aspect of football. Now, I can't afford the long trip South to see the Hoops financially and time wise, and to watch what? Piss poor football from a piss poor manager. I have long thought that RD was shoed in to the job as a quick replacement for Lenny and had been untested at our level. I don't care if I get called a hater, RD needs to be sacked/ replaced as soon as or we may find the sheep will sneak up on us. I love Celtic, always have and always will until the day I leave this mental gig.

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07 Jan 2016 19:29:29
The 4 kings? . any wonder you're a Ronnie fan old bhoy. One's as bad as the other.

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07 Jan 2016 19:40:24
I agree with your post Tim, I can't understand why certain people on here get so angry at any criticism of the manager. What I find strange is that the same people are quite happy in criticizing Lawwell, Park, and Desmond, despite the fact that these are the people who appointed Delia.
If Delia is such a great manager, then surely the board must be brilliant as well for having the vision to appoint him.
I think the manager is a dud who was brought in because he was cheap, that's all this board want, cheap rubbish players, and now a cheap rubbish manager to coach them.

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07 Jan 2016 19:44:58
Thanks guys for all the responses, some seem to agree with me which is a first lol
Old Bhoy yes we fans must play our part but so must Ronnie and the players give us something to shout and sing and get excited about the atmosphere is flat because of deila.
JimTim yes I have lived through much worse periods in celtic's history but even in the darkest days the team every now and then gave us something to get excited about, how many games have we been off our seats under deila I could count them on one hand.
TinyTim like yourself I have tried with a few others to get a sing song going but nobody else joins in as they are all too bored with what is going on the pitch.
Back to OldBhoy my Jimmy Johnstone remark was a joke (maybe you are too old now to recognise one) and yes it was meant as a wee dig at Ronnie in that he would not recognise a player of wee Jinky's quality and would not know where to play him.

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07 Jan 2016 20:36:09
TTTS The four Kings? What are u talking about?
Are you another one who doesn't know that you are allowed to behave differently in Celtic Park than a Funeral home .
Maybe some could get. themselves hired out as extras at funerals .

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07 Jan 2016 21:21:58
I totally concur with Timaloy, yes we have been through poorer and worse spells in the early 90's and Barnes and Mowbray era's but there was always hope and belief that things would get better and they did, in these cases we had a stronger challenge facing us from Deadco, not in Deila's time and under him and the present board we don't have any hope or belief for a brighter future, we are in reverse gear in terms of quality with things probably going to keep getting worse .

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07 Jan 2016 21:32:58
Chris, people show their support for the team by going to the games, how much noise they make when they are there doesn't make any difference in my view.
If these supposedly top players can't perform against Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and Patrick Thistle, then I think that the problem lies with the players and not the crowd, players from other clubs who get far lower gates than us, seem to be able to motivate themselves, so there is no excuse for our players.
They might actually find that if they did start performing, then they might start getting a bit more noise from the crowd.

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07 Jan 2016 21:55:54
A great post timalloy, although i'm not as long in the tooth, i echo your sentiment. And whole heartedly agree with every word. I posted a few weeks ago, that watching celtic just now was knocking me ill, and it is, its morale sapping and draining watching your beloved team play like that week after week. RD is one of many who are to blame. But as manager he must be the first on the chopping block. Someone has to take the bull by the horns and pull us out of the hole we are stumbling into. And RD is not the man to do it. The whole feeling around the club is not what were used to and its quite unsettling.

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07 Jan 2016 21:58:26
Lol Timalloy, you were mibe sitting up behind me and my kids? Couple of lads from the older generation shall we say, trying to get something started but along with my kids were drawn dirty looks or given the odd comment!
"Best fans in the world" my ar5e!
Place has tumbleweed running through it, takes a refs bad decision for some supporters to make some noise, and also to dependable on the untouchable GB lol

The club can't get bums on seats or as much as in the past and no wonder watching that mince! Said it before, I'll take an ugly win all day if need be but the 3 games at home before that weren't wins and were playing against rubbish.

I 100% agree everyone that attends should be willing to cheer the team on, most don't!
But we need to be given something to cheer also, over inflated prices to watch mediocre football at best.
Not entirely sure if it's down to Ronny or not? But I know he's trying best with what he has (just about) lol.

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07 Jan 2016 22:14:35
Your all doom and gloom Timalloy I think that Ronny will turn it around and get us to the Champions League and beyond, we as fans can't understand what it's like to be out on the park knowing that if you draw or lose you will still be Champions.
I hate to say it but I'm not a fan of the GB constantly singing at home games, I think the team have to earn our cheers.

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07 Jan 2016 22:46:51
Gerryc Two or three thousand fans can create a good atmosphere and lift their players in a small 8/ 10k capacity .
With Celtic's massive capacity it takes tens of thousands supporters to create the atmosphere to help team .
I know people can claim it is RD's and the players responsibility, and no doubt that could be right . However Celtic supporters should want the team to do well and should support, motivate build confidence even if it isn't their responsibility .

How can a supporter blame RD if he hasn't done his job in supporting .

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07 Jan 2016 23:20:55
Good football = good atmosphere, full stadium.
Poor football = poor atmosphere, half empty stadium.
Its not rocket science. Its all about the quality of the football. Play good football and every thing else sorts itself out.

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07 Jan 2016 23:23:14
I agree with a lot of the above posts. I will be 60 this year and have enjoyed loads of great times following Celtic. The worst time for me was 1993 to 1998 when I lived in Armadale and felt like the token Tim as the other crowd were working their way towards 9 in a row but even then we played some good attacking football in patches and always believed that we could beat them. Even through those times, we sang our hearts out. Wether you agree with the arguments or not, a large percentage of our support don't believe in or trust our manager and board or our present style of play so will find it very difficult to sing at the games.

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07 Jan 2016 23:28:05
So old Bhoy you think that all we need to do is to shout and cheer and tell everyone how great we are and everything will be wonderful? On that basis if kilmarnock fans shout like mad they might win the SPL? Nonesense yet again from you.

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08 Jan 2016 00:10:57
Johnymac, if you can remember back to the Partick Thistle game last week end . The game was dead until about the 80th minute the fans woke up and the positive chants went round the stadium and all of a sudden our ten men started passing to each other, raised the tempo of the game and we scored and won .
Bhrydobhoy theory re supporters input just goes against what many great football legends around Europe has said . Of course he knows better than some of the top Italien, Argentianian Spanish English and many more stars have said .
They talk about the atmosphere at Celtic Park been incredible, worth more than a goal start .
Does it matter if it is the team's responsibility to create this atmosphere? Surely I thought all Celtic supporters want the one thing Celtic victory game after game .
To those who are getting ill and having their morale sapped out of them, that shouldn't happen and if they do their best supporting and still get sick maybe they are at the wrong sport .

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08 Jan 2016 06:59:42
Old bhoy that post is utter garbage as per usual. The top stars said all that stuff before the the current management staff were in charge. So that nullifies that drivel. Of course it matters and it is the teams responsibility to entertain and create a good vibe for the fans. Much like RD is turning the fans off at Celtic park your doing likewise, your sustained posts of shambolic nonsense and claiming fans should just cheer all the time is turning fans off this site.

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08 Jan 2016 07:34:03
I meant the high kings old bhoy, they are as boring as you and RD.

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09 Jan 2016 00:21:58
Bhrydobhoy you are posting nonsense . Celtic park has rocked at Champions League matches under various managers and I have no doubt if we all manage to get up into the Champions League next season it will rock again .
Some of our fans, like yourself seem to think we deserve better and can sit back moan and groan in the stands and post negative nonsense on forums and then become great supporters in the Champions League .
None of us deserve better, if we are Celtic supporters we have to support ever match, every player etc .

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07 Jan 2016 11:21:37
Imagine this scenario (if only it was real) DD gives Ronnie £90m to sign Messi. Ronnie ponders where to play him and decides either in goal or at centre half lol
My point being I would not trust Deila with NINE QUID let alone any more cash.

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07 Jan 2016 11:45:28
So fans are now making up fake scenarios to slag off Ronny. Best fans in the world!

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07 Jan 2016 11:56:59
That made me laugh more than anything youve said all year tim. Beat give that 90m to JP, he'd get us 180 strikers for that much.

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07 Jan 2016 13:36:46
CMC myself I try and add a bit of humour to my posts (not always successful I know ) but if wee Jinky was managed by Deila he too would have been put at centre half.
My point is Ronnie apologists like you are boring and just making things worse by keeping him in a job he plainly is not up to.

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07 Jan 2016 14:08:31
Tim, Why does it make me an apologist just because I think things will come good? I see people making wee digs as boring but that's just me. In fairness I've got to the stage where if the football doesn't get better by the end of the season then maybe a change is needed. Up until that point I will give him my full backing. If he wins the treble would you still get rid?

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07 Jan 2016 14:43:26
This really is a new low.

The only humour in this post is that you think 90million would get Messi. It's probably more apt to say imagine RD had 90m and couldn't get Messi. And a lot of the best fans in the world would somehow blame him for that too.

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07 Jan 2016 17:44:02
Timalloy, now u post nonsense, there is no indications that RD would pick wee Jimmy ( as he was known throughout his playing career) as centre half .

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