Celtic Banter Archive December 07 2015

07 Dec 2015 15:54:03
Evening Ed, Early bells I know mate but RD is talking about buying experience, strength and a BIG JAN window for us

What are you hearing (if anything) / expecting in the window underneath you were talking about Bosman's we used to get 1 in now for new season we need a ball playing CH IMO a real great winger would be great and more punch up front mate

They're were talk about a striker getting "re-visited" in Jam (not that tripe one radio snyde invented! )

Any ideas / info? Thanks.

{Ed007's Note - Sorry mate but I've not heard anything at all.}

07 Dec 2015 19:15:07
Thanks Ed, As a said early bells just hope we get a bit of quality/experience through the door nice and early would be great too but known PL and how it goes in general clubs will leave it late :- (

{Ed007's Note - (This is from Ed002) Lennart Thy: The suggestion that St Gallen, Celtic and Brugge were watching Lennart Thy recently are true in part, but I understand that Brugge were simply checking on Waldemar Sobota who is on loan in Hamburg with St Pauli. St Gallen makes sense as Josef Zinnbauer tried to sign him last January when he was (for a brief moment in time) in charge of Hamburg.}

07 Dec 2015 20:10:26
The choice and availability of good players is very rare in January as well as the limited appeal of the SPL - and Scottish winter ha ha - with no European football to boot.
It would be great business if we could offload two or three of the surplus and even sign one quality addition?
We seem well equipped in midfield, but could strengthen the defence or add some pace and power up front?

09 Dec 2015 14:03:14
I would be happy if we can land one good footballer that will stay with us for 3 or 4 yrs . My thinking is that between those youngsters we have loaned out and those still at the club, we should get some back ( if we can) and spend the 2nd half of the season giving plenty of youngsters run outs .
We won't know without giving them a few games how good or how not so good these players are . I Reckon Tierney has proved to be a bit better than Deila and his. Managers expected .
Getting a decent run out with the first team relatively early could help to get them to live the proper lifestyle of a professional player rather than go down the way of their predecessors.

07 Dec 2015 02:19:09
Seen Bittons agent Dudu Dahan has said and I quote "Celtic have been approached, but right now is not the right time. "The market price for him is not less than £10m. Some players in the Premier League are not as good as him and have been bought and sold for a lot more money.

"He will go to the Premier League - but in the summer, not in January. "

I'm sure I've read on here before that the agent Dudu Dahan is a decent guy not like your average agent who does not put pressure on his clients to move on to another club for more money unlike guys like for example Wanyamas agent? Well for me this is as touting a player out as you can get. I do wonder though why the likes of Ciftci, Armstrong, GMS, Boyata etc all signings made under Ronny's stewardship in which he sanctioned and wanted haven't been being touted to be sold for potential millions to other clubs down south, with no one banging down our door falling over themselves to sign these duds, I wonder why? Oh yeah that's right, because they're duds no ones interested in and we're stuck with them.

Whilst Ronny keeps on relying on sales of players that came in under Lenny to keep digging him out a hole every time he makes a hash of it in Europe. That's now Forster (£10M) , VVD (£13M) , Watt (£1.2M) and Matthews (£2M) , about the guts of £25M there sold of talent that came in under Lenny, how much profit have we made from any signings that have been made under Ronny? Oh yeah that's right a big fat £0.

Btw see if Southampton take yet another of our players that really is just taken the biscuit, and before anyone starts saying we've done the same to Dun Utd 1. I would rather we signed none of the trio from them and I said so at the time 2. They're duds imo and the three we sold to Southampton are very decent players and 3. We're a much bigger club than either Dun Utd or Southampton just play in a much pisher league than the latter.

{Ed007's Note - Dahan never mentioned anything about him leaving in January or next summer:

http://goo.gl/1QkD8a

It's actually a total non-story when you look at it in context.}

07 Dec 2015 02:57:20
Fair enough Ed read his quotes there from that site and they seem a lot better going by his comments there it seems he has been mis-quoted.

I still stand by the point though that Ronny has become over reliant on selling players that came in under Lenny to dig him out a hole for his failures in Europe.

{Ed007's Note - All agents are slimeballs but from what I know about Dudu Dahan he's a decent operator, I'm not getting into the who brought players in argument again mate it just goes round in circles.}

07 Dec 2015 03:59:43
How does having players sold (not selling) dig a head coach out of a hole? Why are you so arsed about how much profit we make on players? Why can't you get it in your head that JP and PL make the signings?

07 Dec 2015 11:44:37
JimTim Ronny was a big part of the reason why we have current duds Ciftci and Boyata at the very least which cost £3M in transfer fees and they're both on four year contracts with us having no chance of shifting either of them for the forseeable future.

Of course it gets him and the club out a hole selling players and making profit to cover the CL money losses two years on the trot now under Ronny.

{Ed007's Note - Pukki, Balde, Bangura, Boerrigter and Efrain Juarez - there's well over £10 million totally wasted in transfer fees without even counting the other costs involved, adding them in you're pushing up towards the £16 - 20 million mark at least.}

07 Dec 2015 13:04:51
You've been set straight that RD's record is better than NL's at this point and now you're desperately trying to compare them with sell on values of players signed under them? Without even considering that neither NL OR RD have control over transfers. You really do come out with some tosh.

07 Dec 2015 13:48:32
Ed007's list and the others not mentioned show that we have a short sightedness and ignorance regarding quality recruitment and if this has filtered down through the youth scouting we have a big problem.
Obviously every manager makes a poor signing or two in their tenure but hopefully it is compensated for with a few gems or one or two with star potential and re-sale profit.
In the past few years we seem to be bringing in less and less quality or potential and more journeymen and duds.

07 Dec 2015 13:59:45
I was going to say the same thing Ed, he seems like one of the good guys, and obliging, he has worked on a few deals for us and doesn't seem to make everything drag out looking for more money. Things seem to get done quick/behind closed doors. I only wish we were the same with our other transfers. I've said before that I don't care that much who we sell as long as we replaced them. If we sold him for £12 million and went out and bought a centre half, a striker and a midfielder for £4 million each I'd be happy, but that is far too normal for us!

{Ed007's Note - I'm not expecting or even demanding that any incoming transfer fees should be fully spent on the squad but off of £12 million I'd be hoping for £6/7m to be spent on say 2 players who are proven quality and offering better wages to potential signings including Bosman's, look at Joe Ledley and Mathews, 2 players who left England to come up here because we were paying them good money and when they left we banked £5m from them. That's good business instead of keeping hoping to unearth a gem, sometimes you need to buy proven players to help the team and the youngsters progress. We should also be using money from incoming fees to reinvest in the club's structure, improvements at Lennoxtown etc.}

07 Dec 2015 17:02:36
also biton was rubbish under lennon, i don't see how lennon gets the credit for bitons current form. people will literally grab hold of anything to beat RD with.

07 Dec 2015 19:45:47
Aye celticforever thought you would say that. Bet you if RD wins treble you will be giving Lennon the credit.

07 Dec 2015 20:17:17
@CelticForever

Maybe it's better to read the entirety of a story - especially if you are going to come online and try to use it as another stick to beat Ronny Deila with.

07 Dec 2015 17:24:53
Ed imo Bangura, Pukki and Boeriggter as much as they have turned out a waste of money are still better football players than Ciftci, GMS and Armstrong.

{Ed007's Note - I don't know how you came to that conclusion but they certainly never showed it at CFC and I know our previous manager would disagree with you on that. For a start the cost of all three of them is only £500k less than Pukki OR Boerrigter alone and Bangura cost more than Armstrong and GMS combined - and we gave him a free transfer, Boerrigter will be off in January on a free and Pukki's fee was undisclosed, but there's no way did we even get a third of our outlay back on him.
Once again it shows the abject failure of John Park to identify attacking players, but which group of 3 have been better value for money?}

08 Dec 2015 11:51:29
Hahaha I'm struggling to understand if Celtic forever is being sarcastic or he is just delusional.

09 Dec 2015 15:19:45
I know knocking the club, p, players, managers, and Board seems game for all seasons but can be a tad biased in our judgements . Over the last five years we have signed a number of players who with the benefit of hind sight we would have been far better keeping far away from . We have also signed some who have done a good job for us . On top of that we have signed some who have done a super job for us, the only down side, is we were not able to keep hold of them and they insisted on moving on but at least we made a good profit . Of course the first group probably has more numbers and our biggest problem is getting them to move on .
I must confess, I am a Celtic supporter and nothing about other clubs, so I don't know in great detail about their buys . I suspect every club buy too many who don't deliver what is expected .
Just one other thing, if a player insists on moving, we have to let him go and I couldn't careless where he finishes up, in fact I am quite happy to see them play away at Southampton knowing that maybe they will get even filthier richer than Celtic they will have less big European nights than if they stayed with us .