Celtic Banter Archive October 06 2016

 

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06 Oct 2016 21:14:25
I wonder if Tony Watt is in Edinburgh watching Dembele and wondering what might have been if he'd had a wiser head on his shoulders.

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06 Oct 2016 23:25:32
Tony Watt was never a player of £5m potential never mind £20m.

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07 Oct 2016 08:37:00
I disagree. I think he could have been a star for us if he had screwed the nut. But the main reason I chose him in particular is the glaring similarities, both come into the first team as teenagers, both score big CL goals and score for their international youth teams. One seems destined for the top and the other's at Hearts.

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07 Oct 2016 10:25:37
Watts still young enough to become a very big player, I wouldn't write him off just yet.

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07 Oct 2016 10:58:04
Definitely aindoh, I personally think he has all the talent in the world. Quick, strong, skillful, knows where the goal is but he needs to get settled somewhere and find some consistency.

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07 Oct 2016 21:19:39
Tony Watt has written himself off in the minds of every manager he has had . His problem isn't his natural football ability but his inability to behave himself and have manners, it appears anyone foolish enough to await on him coming good may as well wait for a three wheeled car to win a formula one race.

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07 Oct 2016 21:19:39
Tony Watt has written himself off in the minds of every manager he has had . His problem isn't his natural football ability but his inability to behave himself and have manners, it appears anyone foolish enough to await on him coming good may as well wait for a three wheeled car to win a formula one race.

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07 Oct 2016 23:24:04
Kevbhoy he only scored 1 goal in CL and europe in total. Hardly merits being classed in same bracket as Dembele,

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06 Oct 2016 20:33:20
See the big mans goal on his u21 debut belter.
On a side note I liked delia obv job was too big for him but he gave his all. I loved it when he came over to the section and gave the Ronny roar. Wish him all the best once a bhoy always a bhoy.

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07 Oct 2016 06:42:27
He's having the kind of rise young kids dreams are made off.

Get him signed up, with a crazy buy-out fee you see in Portugal.

Hail Hail.

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07 Oct 2016 18:52:56
Who are you talking about.

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08 Oct 2016 05:10:08
Moussa, Gordo. It was another overhead kick, ish.

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06 Oct 2016 19:17:39
For those who do not prescribe to either BT or Sly the Spain-Italy match is free to watch on ITV4.

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06 Oct 2016 10:41:24
Does anyone not think it was more a dig at John Collins than Ronnie Delia that Scott Brown was talking about when he said that about training.

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06 Oct 2016 13:07:29
I was thinking the same Gordo a very odd choice as no2 I thought.

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06 Oct 2016 14:19:37
No it's the manager who takes responsibility for organising things. If brown thought it was easy then why didn't he open his mouth to tell them? And if he did then more reason to oust Ronny and co for negligence. Only wish our defence coach was ousted aswell.

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06 Oct 2016 14:42:44
So now Kennedy is to blame 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻.

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06 Oct 2016 17:13:29
Kennedy avoided any direct 'blame' as he was a 'junior partner', but as a member of an apparent unsuccessful management team who were released, he is very lucky to still be involved imo.

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06 Oct 2016 17:34:30
Did Scott Brown not have an issue with jc at hibs, can't remember fully but I'm sure it was training related.

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06 Oct 2016 17:45:53
Nobody is blaming jc it was put forward as a "was broony having a dig at jc instead of Rd".

On the subject tho it's a management team so they all take the blame hence why there no longer with us it's just the manager takes the majority of the heat.

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06 Oct 2016 17:51:51
IT never ceases to amaze me how some of us claim to know what members of our playing squad are thinking .
It's also amazing how people who have probably never watched Celtic training can evaluate the ability of John Kennedy .

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06 Oct 2016 18:27:32
From what I've heard from fellow coaches and coaches within the sfa grassroots system is that Kennedy is very highly thought of as a coach.

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06 Oct 2016 19:15:21
Given the way the that the SFA run Scottish football, being highly thought of by them is not much of a recommendation.

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06 Oct 2016 19:17:39
The reason I said it was because of the run in they had at hibs if you are the head coach you have final say but I darea say they all had there own ideas on what they wanted to do is Kennedy no just the defence coach.

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06 Oct 2016 21:31:48
Was he just not making a comment on how training is more enjoyable now, because the spirit in the group is on a higher level, and therefore the group is getting more out of training, what I'm saying is it might be exactly the same training in that they are doing essentially the same procedures, but they are getting more benefit out of the training now, because they are not being hamstrung by Ronnies crazy team selections and team rotations and substitutions, and by doing so he was destroying any camaraderie and team spirit that was building up,

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06 Oct 2016 21:39:25
Oldbhoy i and most fans won't have seen celtic training but I do see them play matches and if you think our defence has been good in recent years then I suggest you must be john Kennedy. @stephen m yes I do think jk was part of the problem he was inexperienced and it showed as we were unable to stop making the same mistakes in defence.

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06 Oct 2016 22:43:22
Jim1972 our defence has been far from water tight over the last two seasons and a bit . But I don't think we should be at panic stations just yet as we still have by far the biggest goal difference in Scotland .
Who is responsible for the goals against total over this season and the previous two.
In my opinion and I may be wrong but both RD and B R would say all eleven players as we defend from the front and do everything they can to prevent opponents getting control of situation .
If that is the case I am sure all the first team coaches have a responsibility not just Kennedy, but I suppose him been home bred, he can expect more criticism than most.

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06 Oct 2016 17:14:57
Jim1972, i'm not surprised to see that you have replied to this thread. You were wanting Deila out before he had managed 1 game yet changed your tune when we beat an average championship team in cup that season.

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07 Oct 2016 06:51:36
No dn I warmed to Ronny a bit when we played better in the 2nd half of his first season but sadly and I mean sadly it fell away and we regressed so my initial opinion was right that he was not good enough. @oldbhoy no one is hitting the panic button but expressing an opinion on part of our problem should be seen as vital. Ronny and Jc left and we have seen Brendan and Davies come in and without doubt our attacking play has improved perhaps a new defence coach could enhance this part?

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07 Oct 2016 23:11:41
Jim and aindoh, u could also say our attacking play has improved due to in particular the form of Sinclair n dembelle, with rogic carrying on the form n injury free run that Rd started him on, Rd got him injury free n the fittest he had been n Brendan n Davies r continuing that work.
So spending money on quality has helped, not just the coaches, Rd wasn't lucky enough to be allowed to bring in that extra quality we've needed for a while.
Again look at history how u like, but Rd did a good job with much fewer resources than Brendan has.

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07 Oct 2016 23:28:25
Jim1972 i will agree with you though about JK. For me the appointment of JC and JK were like the John Barnes era again. Always doomed from start. Do think though had Deila had his own backroom team and more of a say in transfers, things may of been different for him?

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06 Oct 2016 08:21:23
Ever time I read more about moussa dembele my admiration grows further. can see him being one of the best strikers in the world in a few years and the best bit he will be doing it in the hoops for the next 2-3 years.

Love laughing when sevco fans tell me he isn't as good as Joe garner.

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06 Oct 2016 11:17:27
When the time comes Celtic could end up cashing in on the club's highest transfer by far. And it's all down to BR.

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06 Oct 2016 11:42:21
He was actually being tracked by the club before Rodgers came but my understanding was Brendan gave the transfer the green light when he came.

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06 Oct 2016 11:46:19
I wouldn't be surprised to see him see out his contract and move for nothing, how would fellow posters feel about that?

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06 Oct 2016 12:06:36
Rab, I can recall the press interview that RD gave in which he said all the players who he signed were "his" players. They would have technically been "his" players if they were in the squad he managed, but I wonder how many times the club has identified a player and went and bought him for potential reward without giving the manager the lowdown on him.

Bhoywonder, it would be great to bring in a massive transfer fee, yet DD has stated that Celtic don't need to sell him. It would be equally great to have a team firing on all cylinders and having one of the most exciting teams in European football with quality players playing in every position, but could our domestic game cope with one club having total domination for years to come?

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06 Oct 2016 12:33:40
RabMac, I doubt we would have got him with RD still in charge though.

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06 Oct 2016 12:53:20
Yes he had been scouted and the club were playing to make a move before Rogers came in but the Bhoy said on of the major reasons he pick our club was because of Rogers.

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06 Oct 2016 16:44:42
@Stengo - My understanding of the transfer policy under Deila was John Park and scouts identified potential signings and submitted the names to Lawwell and the manager. It would then be up to the manager to pick from the list. So while he made the decision he did not have free reign on transfers. Not sure how it worked on loan signings, although I did hear that CKR agent contacted Celtic and said his player needed out of Holland and asked Celtic to help him out. I believe Lawwell did agree because he has good relationship with the agent (hearsay though) . If true this would indicate that Lawwell has influence on loan signings as well.

@Kevbhoy - You are probably right mate, as I also suspect that Rodgers helped sway him.

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06 Oct 2016 17:58:34
Dembele may have been under the Celtic radar before Brendan Rodgers took up his appointment .
The one thing that seems likely was that Dembele had heard good reports about BR and that was what made up Dembele sign for Celtic .

Of course he has improved a lot with us, in his early weeks some posters who rate themselves excellent judges said Dembele was on a par with A Balde and others who failed with us.

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06 Oct 2016 21:36:39
Oldbhoy correct me if I'm wrong won't you but how have we improved him?, did he not score twenty odd goals in the championship last year, you are going down the same route you were with Ronnie, where he improved everything including the weather ( remarkably )

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06 Oct 2016 22:51:12
Well first thing Aindoh, he has spoken to Brendan Rodgers and is confident he won't be subjected to any form of abuse .
People like yourself were comparing Dembele to A Balde in hiss early weeks but especially since he replaced the injured Leigh Griffiths he has shown brilliant confidence and ability in particular in games against Sevco and Manchester City .

I would have thought scoring goals in the Champions League would count for more than the Championship.

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06 Oct 2016 23:08:26
You are mistaking me for dn, I read about dembele and ross McCormack ripping goals in between them, I expected him to do very well up here, much in the same way that I thought LG would be fantastic, of course, your hero Ronnie, wouldn't give him a regular game, until it was more or less forced upon him.

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07 Oct 2016 21:27:54
We are talking about Dembele Aindoh, it wouldn't have been clever for R D to play him as he was a Fulham player .
Surely one of the great successes in R D 's term was the maturity and consistent displays of a top class striker that L Griffith's became .
Nobody only a total anti Celt begrudger could deny the vast improvement R D made in Griffiths.

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07 Oct 2016 23:28:50
Old bhoy, your spot on, everyone except aindoh n 1 or 2 others who know who they r will continually attack Rd n can't bring themselves to give him any credit, but Griff maturing into the player he is, kieran Tierney becoming a first team regular, tom rogic coming to the fore, finding his form n getting injury free, introducing the youth to the 1st team n making a better route to progression, updating our sports science n backroom staff, the form of Patrick Roberts who was a big player 4 us last season, both schviatchenko n simunovic looked good under rd as did Scott brown until his injury problems kicked in.
Aindoh, will be choking on his Brendan's balls cereal now for sure.

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