Celtic Banter Archive January 06 2016

06 Jan 2016 14:51:36
Folks on here saying dd should dip into his pockets and provide money for signings and the board should be making funds available, why the hell should they though its not as if we are doing our bit by filling the stadium for matches! Why do some fans want to sit and wait for a mr moneybags to come along and spend fortunes some have a govan mentality sit and wait for someone to come in and spend money the club doesn't have.

06 Jan 2016 15:45:05
Lol.

Saved/ made 12-13m over the last window stef. How many windows now has the squad looked weaker? Why should these billionaires keep taking money out of our club would be a better question to ask.

06 Jan 2016 15:46:53
Nonsense, I'm a season ticket holder and I think I deserve to see the club show a bit of ambition in the transfer market whether the seats next to me are filled or not. Celtic supporters have not been getting our moneys worth in recent years and if people feel as if they're being ripped off or taken for granted and decide not to go then they're quite right. Spare tickets for Celtic Park used to be like gold dust and even then we got shortchanged after Seville etc. when we could have added to that squad and had something really special on the park. Apart from MONs earlier seasons, as a club, we've never really splashed the cash whether the ground was full or not.

06 Jan 2016 16:22:47
He's made peter lawell the top earner at çeltic which in my opinion is a disgrace when the quality of player gets lower season on season.

06 Jan 2016 16:33:48
The way i see it is if we fill the stadium week in week out then maybe the board will make more of an effort if we can't be bothered then why should they be bothered? As for saving n making money i have no idea about that am just a fan no a finance expert.

06 Jan 2016 17:22:12
A fan that doesn't want to see the team be as good as it can be then?

06 Jan 2016 17:24:38
Jim Tim can you tell me how they made £13 mill in last transfer window? If you are talking about money from VVD what about the losses on Baldi and co? You can't just look at sales out and say they made X. The accounts tell us that they made a loss of around £4.7 mill but that did not take into account VVD or losses on players released. In reality the club are not making any money. After Lawell is massively overpaid but this club takes millions to keep going. That is why CL money is vital.

06 Jan 2016 17:41:32
PL has said himself CL money is not vital. We don't budget ourselves on it. Was just going off rough figures and guesstimates of fees and wages really johnny. Said it yourself the accounts don't include the Virgil sale so were not losing money are we really? We just published figures at a certain time that don't reflect the way things actually are. Fact of the matter is we made gains on transfers. That shouldn't be the case. The club should both ask themselves why people aren't paying, and ask themselves why the person employed to make money needs to do it via transfers alone.

06 Jan 2016 17:52:10
If the product is getting poorer we should be paying less for tickets, no one is telling me I'm not a fan because I don't go to every game, why would I pay my hard earned money to go and be bored for 90 mins,

06 Jan 2016 18:21:07
Wee1888 No one can be expected to pay their hard earned money to go to Celtic Park to be bored for 90 mins . One of our problems is that too many do that too often and so we have a stadium that is devoid of atmosphere . When a stadium is full of bored people then it is difficult for the home team to play good football.
It would be better if Celtic had 15,000 to 20,000 enthusiastic supporters cheering and urging team on .

Jim Jim would you like to share how much money these billionaires take out of our country .
I have no idea whether Lawwell does a good job for Celtic or not, but his pay is not a stumbling block preventing us from buying quality players every season .

06 Jan 2016 18:56:45
True old bhoy, I had friends who could not make the last few games due to commitments and could not give the tickets away, what is being produced on the pitch is what is driving the fans away, we don't have one player on the pitch who entertains makes the fans excited just by getting the ball, football should be fun, the dross we are getting every week shocking, there will be argue game this season with under 10,000, I hate feeling like this about our club but the spark is dwindling we have people who are between 16 and 21 now going to England to watch games because they feel like they are at least getting there monies worth.

06 Jan 2016 19:03:31
If we aren't prepared to pay money as fans then why should the board be prepared to spend money that's the point am making, we can't just sit back and say spend money then we will come and watch the team we have to watch the team so there is money there to spend. If people don't go to games then how is the football on show going to improve?

06 Jan 2016 20:20:03
The board should spend money, why not it is there responsibility as board member to make sure the fans (paying customers) are getting a to see a product worth paying for, spend money to make money as the saying goes, what more do they want from us we buy season tickets and merchandise every year we deserve a bit more respect than the bullsh@t we drivel we get every transfer window, I think the PR man just copies and pastes peters quote to the media every window "we tried but couldn't get it over the line" the player we have bought over the last few years to "improve" the team have been at a shocking standard, it will all come back to bite us on the ar£se soon when we, if it's park and his team making these signings they should be sacked.

06 Jan 2016 22:34:09
Right, why should DD dip into his own pocket.
Lets look at the successful clubs down south.
Utd, Chelsea, Man City. All owned by multi-millionaires and all spending cash to improve their team - result? Reasonable success at home and abroad and plenty of bums on seats to watch the product on the park win or lose. Coincidence that the millionaire owners spend money? Hmmm.
Now I am not naive enough to think we can challenge at that level (I can dream and we will, on occasion give them a go) but we should be challenging in the EL and that means acquiring decent players (and keeping them) .
Lets not forget that football is part of the entertainment business and if you don't put a quality product on the park then you will not fill the seats. Loyalty goes two ways and Celtic have more than their fair share of loyal fans who turn up in all weathers and support the team.
Are they wrong to expect the board to at least show a similar commitment? I think not.
So YES DD an the others who are happy to pick up the bonuses should be prepared to put some investment back in. The supporters use their pockets - so should the board. IN MY OPINION.

06 Jan 2016 23:00:37
Some of you have your facts wrong and need put right:

1. Peter Lawwell is not the best paid person at Celtic, even when you include his bonuses. As far as I am aware Lawwell makes around 1M (agreed it is higher than it should be) but Brown is on around 30K a week, which gives him a salary of about 1.5M per annum and that does not include his bonuses.

2. The board are not stealing money as some of you are implying. Our accounts get audited and get made public for everyone to see and there is no sign of dishonesty. Yes some of them have preference shares which entitles them to money each year but it is all legitimate and only amounts to about 1M in total. So stop being ridiculous by suggesting they are milking our club.

07 Jan 2016 00:23:32
so as far as you are aware rabmac other people have their fact's wrong what makes you so sure they're wrong and your right? as far as i'm aware brown is on the top gold level wage at celtic at 25k but anyway how many billionaire's do we have as shareholder's 2 at least and how much do they put in? answer hee haw if Desmond was a real true fan he would buy the club outright take it off the stock exchange and plough some of his vast wealth into making the team at least enjoyable to watch now I'm not saying go out and spend hundred's of million's maybe allow for increasing the wage structure and dropping 25-30 million a season for transfer fee's hardly a lot for these guy's.

{Ed007's Note - I don't think we need £25-30m a season mate, that's quite a lot. If our board put up £30 million in the summer and told PL that's it for 5 years BUT any incoming transfer fees can be fully reinvested in the team or held for that purpose we would see some difference in the team and the club's standing.
I have no doubts that handled the right way regarding player recruitment we would have a vastly improved team and a healthy balance in the player fund.}

07 Jan 2016 00:45:25
Dermot Desmond does not own Celtic . Apart from Abamovich who was on a crusade to spend Russian money he had acquired in a very short period of time not many owner put their own money into club to build a better team . Many put money into keep their club a going concern . The Glaziers were the most bare faced of the lot they bought Manchester United and the put the club in massive debt by borrowing of fun United to pay for it .
Getting back to Celtic supporters not getting value for money wee 1888, I agree with u up to a point but I also feel that us supporters have a close bond with the club and just as much it is the manager's and players duty to entertain us, it is our duty to encourage and build confidence within the team.

{Ed007's Note - There's a lot more than Abramovich put their own money into their club and there's not many owners or majority shareholders took out more than they have put in. If you bought a sesson ticket this year you have put more into CFC than DD has for years, if you bought a top you've put more in yet he takes every season, money he could leavecin the club, it's not as if he needs it is it?}

07 Jan 2016 08:17:07
So why should Desmond throw his own money into Celtic? If you had a lot of money would you just give it away to some football team that you have little affinity with?

07 Jan 2016 11:03:28
@RabMac Let's say DD puts in £15m in the summer, we buy 3 or 4 decent, international standard players and that helps us get to the CL groups and then possibly another round or 2 in the EL (with a decent draw and a bit of luck) . That £15m is made back and then some. Obviously he can't just take all of that back and keep it for himself straight away but if the club are making more money on a consistent basis then shareholders will also make more money on a consistent basis. The problem is that no amount of money spent on transfers will guarantee CL football and as a very shrewd businessman he seems unwilling to take extra risk for the possibility of extra gain. That's my take on the situation anyway, I could be spouting mince lol.

07 Jan 2016 17:54:59
Ed007 do you actually know how much money DD has put into Celtic football club
I know one recent manager who said that DD was very generous towards the players . I have no idea if that is true or false .
Do u really know or are you putting two and two together .

We were told for long enough that PL was the highest earner at the club . Seems he is not as Scot Brown for one is earning much more .

{Ed007's Note - PL is the highest paid employee at the club when you look at his overall package and remuneration.
Was Scott Brown's new contract on the same terms as his previous deal?}

07 Jan 2016 20:36:18
PL is on a basic if £450k and has further bonus payments of around £500k. That is in the published accounts. I have no idea how much Brown actually makes and I don't think Ed does either? If he does then Ed correct me but I believed he was on £25k? What happens is someone makes a statement that they believe to be true and everyone jumps on it as fact. Anyway, PL is very well paid when you consider that many EPL Chief Execs are on less money. As regard DD. He has preference shares in the club. So do many other preference shareholders. The argument is he should forego his dividend because he has enough already. Don't get that. PL had this image as a great CEO. I don't think he is anything special. all he is doing is not spending more than we generate. Anyone can do that. He needs to be more astute and constructive than that especially for the money he is on. The DD argument however baffles me as it has no logic to it. So have got to agree with Rab Mac.

07 Jan 2016 20:39:08
SB is on £28k per week plus bonuses .
Pl is the highest paid non footballer employee at the club .

06 Jan 2016 09:36:37
Reports have suggested that a loan move for McGeady won't happen due to Everton not being willing to subsidise his wages. It shows how bad things have become when Mr. Desmond won't even personally pay over the odds for a Republic of Ireland International.

06 Jan 2016 10:12:31
Hes not the same class as say Keane though Kev. DD doesn't do investment at all never mind over the odds!

06 Jan 2016 10:36:04
Here's a thought if mcgeady wants game time to make the euro champs and he wants to play for us he could sacrifice his own wages as he's made good money in his career so far. I don't see why celtic should pay more than we can afford for a loan player even though I would rather have him over what we have for domestic matches. I could also see the love struck Ronny brigade out claiming it's not Ronny signing sack everyone but Ronny. 😂😂😂

06 Jan 2016 10:50:07
Celtic won't pay more than they can afford but at the same time asking a player to just waive his wages won't work either I suspect. Whether or not he has made good money over the years, he will have a lifestyle that fits around his £? k-a-week wages.

06 Jan 2016 11:15:42
Kevbhoy . it shows how far we've come that people want to bring back one of the biggest under achievers I've seen watching çeltic.
the boy has skill but is the most selfish greedy player I've seen he also picks the wrong g option when he can be arsed to bring his teammates into game. imagine him and forrest on either wing no body else would be involved they'd constantly over hit hit the ball to each other the whole game that is unless they hit the. I'd first defender with the ball . we don't need him on loan or permanent . give nesbitt . Calvin miller. a chance to prove their worth rather than mgeady.

06 Jan 2016 12:29:36
I agree with you Deep River Bhoy. I said the same thing last season when we were being linked with him, although I think a few supporters would be more welcoming to him this year after some of the dross they've witnessed so far. Personally, I'd rather we waited until the summer and got a really good winger who will excite the fans rather than shop in a limited market in this window when we're top of the league and still in both cups. The CB Pantic looks to be a decent player though, getting him and Simunovic a few months together under their belt would be a good idea.

06 Jan 2016 12:41:08
Good news as far as I'm concerned. I think we sold him at the right time for decent money and why pay daft wages at this stage of the season when we need players for next year.
Remember the days when forrest had talks of a big money move surrounding him. Never know newcastle might come back in with a cheeky 8m bid for him on deadline day!

06 Jan 2016 14:33:32
I think it's a sign of the times that talk of McGeady coming back generates some interest. We have no flair players at the club at present and even the attacking options that we have that are supposed to go at defenders and create like Forrest and GMS are too inconsistent, unfit or ineffective.
McGeady was/ is a gifted player but his attitude never kept up with his talent and for every piece of magic - there was always a few times he was too greedy and lost possession.
The team is definitely crying out for more creativity and flair - but whether the board pay the fee or indeed that player fits into our managers rigid formation is a different matter.

06 Jan 2016 18:29:26
I am as fond of ROI as much as the next person but I don't think paying even up to our top salary cap wouldn't represent good value for money . Even when he was with us five years or so ago, he didn't have universal acclaim amongst the Celtic supporters. From what I have seen in the more and more limited appearances for the ROI, he is becoming less and less effective .
I doubt if he has much to offer.

06 Jan 2016 19:53:10
He's no better than what's already there, why waste the money.

06 Jan 2016 23:06:01
Ask yourself this, what benefit will a McGeady loan deal bring to our club?

Agreed, he is a good player and probably better than what we have but he is not needed for the next 5 months as we will win the league without him.

In fact if we did sign him it would likely deprive some of our current squad of game time and could hamper the chances of Nesbitt and Miller in particular. Not only that, it would likely cost us about 20-30K per week to get him, which amounts to about 500k-750k. With funds tight at the moment, I would prefer to see that money spent elswewhere.

07 Jan 2016 00:47:13
Rab Mac you are right about McGready . He wouldn't do very much for Celtic.

07 Jan 2016 09:43:27
I've never understood the McGeady hype. Had no end product with us when he left and he still has none. We've already got a lot of players like that why bring in another.

07 Jan 2016 17:57:07
In some people's eyes players aren't great when they are with us, after they are gone they suddenly become great .