Celtic Banter Archive January 06 2014

06 Jan 2014 20:15:19
Was talking to few guys in pub yesterday about team selection and formation and this was team a would like to see played
Forster
Matthews efe vvd izzy
Brown biton
Commons
Rogic
Balde pukki
I would give commons a free role so he can drift around the park making him hard to pick up a know the midfield is quite narrow but with izzy and Matthews bombing up the wing I feel this team would have far too much attacking power for teams to cope because let's be honest we should be attacking these teams from word go as we are far stronger was just wondering what the ed and other posters thot of this line up

{Ed007's Note - We'd get steamrollered in Europe Dez. For me the team should play as similar a style as possible domestically as they will in Europe and every team at every level throughout the club should be taught to play the same way. If Matthews is playing at RB then I would put Lustig in instead of Ambrose.}

Sorry ed a was meaning for rest of season for in the league just thot it would be a mor attack minded team I agree it would need to be more defensively minded for Europe though and a feel were few players short as well for Europe

{Ed007's Note - That's the problem though, when it comes to Europe we are asking players to play in a system that is unfamiliar to them.}

Do you not feel though ed we need to change formation in Europe due to calibre of players we have at home we are more than strong enough to play this formation and we should be attacking and controlling teams whereas in Europe naturally we need to be more defensive I know where your coming from a just feel it would need major investment to allow us to compete in Europe and implant a system to cope on both fronts

{Ed007's Note - I don't think having players that know how to keep the ball or pass it to a team mate is too much to ask. Learn how to keep possession, find a man with the ball, even if it is a 5 yard pass, it draws teams into us and they spent time/energy chasing the ball which leaves spaces to exploit for quality attackers. With forwards running into available spaces, stretching their defence all over the place again creates space for others to get into. CFC should be able to pass every team in Scotland off the park and beat them comfortably. Then when it comes to Europe all that would need to change is how cautious the team plays, even with a tweak here or there the actual system and strategy stays the same.
Why CFC aren't using the clear runs at the league to hone a better style of play is scandalous.}

I agree ed we should be trying different things with the position we are in we will never have a better chance

{Ed007's Note - Exactly Dez. It's a serious problem and must be seen as one of the causes in falling attendances. }

The model of playing the same system all through the different stages of club development is adopted by many big clubs and makes it much easier for players to adapt to first team duty.
It's a pity the reserve league was malkied as it served this very purpose.
As far as the squad goes we got some harsh lessons in the CL in all the games and it's obvious we are well short of quality and class.
VVD, Commons, Lustig and maybe Mulgrew and Mathews could hold their own next season, but the rest were out of their depth and I am not including Brown who let himself down or Samaras as I canny go the guy.
I really hope we are looking at CL level additions in January as the current squad may struggle to qualify if it's another 3 ties?

JJ

06 Jan 2014 18:38:11
Hi ed hope you are well, guys Lennon compared Commons to Lubo today. Who is better? For me Lubo is a hero and was a sublime player. Commons though is far more influential and scores more goals. If Lubo was at Celtic 5 years earlier there would be no argument but I can only go on his time with us. So for celtic its Commons for me. Still will always remember Lubo trapping the ball with his erse lol and taking a corner only to be asked to take again and took it with other foot to rapturous applause.What u think guys? Poll ed?
Rayman

{Ed007's Note - It needs to be Lubo for me all day every day. The poll is up here:

www.celticrumours.co.uk/poll32.html

Lubo for me, he was a magician! Krissy's been great, and his goalscoring return from MF has been outstanding. Had his doubters before we signed him, but I can always remember watching him for Derby and thinking he's came on to a right good game then next thing he signed for us + banged one in against the Sheep at Hampden on his debut - the rest was/is history!

Lubo for me. Guy was an absolute magician. 1 of the best palyers iv ever seen in the flesh wearing the hoops.

GunnieBhoy

V hertz at Celtic Park, ball dropping out the sky and Lubo trapped it with his ass! Nuff said.

No contest, Kris is a great wee player, his contribution this term has been immense, but lubo was pure genius. He did it when the Scottish game had far better quality throughout, all sides would give us a much sterner test than the current crop. How the hell he remained virtually unknown, till he was brought in by doc jo in his mid thirties still amazes me
HH

Great to have had them both in the Hoops as they both contribute(d) with skill, assists and goals galore.
Lubo, was however the more gifted individual IMO.

JJ

Lubo for me one of most naturally gifted players I have seen at parkhead do agree though that at moment kris commons is playing well and is skilful and can pick a pass but I'd say lubo as some of things he could do wee incredible

Commons has turned out to be a great buy but Lubo was a different class. He was that good that the Scottish press hadnt even heard of him when he signed for us although he had been winning awards in France in a league that contained Zidane, Henry, Pires etc
67Coatbridge

Lubo has been the most technically gifted player I have ever seen at Celtic Park. Home or away. Can understand the comparison but for me a Commons at his best would struggle to get into the Martin O'Neill team where Lubo was at his best.

Guys as suspected you all picked Lubo no surprise there. But my point was what each has done for Celtic for me Commons wins games for us single handed at times.Lubo without doubt a great but there were many times ONeil didn't play him. Apart from his old firm debut I don't remember him winnin too many games for us.Does anbody think we would be unbeaten or have got to the CL without Commons.
Rayman

I always remember Lubo for the game at PH when we were going for our first title in a long time (98) playing Motherwell and that big dick Goram was wasting time from the first whistle, falling down letting the ball go out, ect. A draw would let the people back into the chase, but Lubo steps up and sinks a sublime freekick into the top bin. Goram after that is kicking the ball out frantically screaming at his team and Big Rab starts falling to ground wasting time, winding him right up! I would say that goal did not just win the game, but weent a long way to securing the league! What a true legend!

Tompo88

06 Jan 2014 13:15:47
Ed007, hope your in good spirits today . You'll let us know about ally's grovelling as soon as poss . We keep going on about finding a goalscorer . Boyd, I think he looks fitter and faster and would get a barrel full for us, hope you hav'nt covered your screen with your coffee lol, we've had Conn, miller why not Boyd or maybe he would'nt come to us, just a thought, hope HB and KB hav'nt had a coronary lol, any update on the CQN site and Paul Brennan' Twitter or is it on my side why I can't access them cheers in advance ;))

{Ed007's Note - CQN are having technical problems, it has been said there is a power outage at their hosting company.}

06 Jan 2014 13:48:27
Cheers Ed, I started to imagine all sorts of things,
The links with paul to philmac and the board and the timing of the Thompson story I found it strange anyway i'm off oot catchye later ;))

06 Jan 2014 10:24:10
Watched the game on tv yesterday and firstly I'd just like to say I thought we were excellent for the full game. really unlucky not to be 2 up at half time and commons lob that hit the post would have been goal of the season. I think the second half is the best we've played this season.

I have a complaint though, at the corner to the left there was an advertising board for the SNP and on the far side there was a board for "Yes Scotland". Now how does this fit into Uefas campaign about "political and religious statements inside stadia".

Surely St mirren actually taking money and promoting political parties and campaigns breaches this rule or does this rule only apply to celtic? it make me furious that lawell did not stand up for the fans after we were pulled up for the latest banner. it seems other clubs can promote whatever they want - barcelona unfurl a a huge catalan flag before every game with "vamos a voto" on it (let us vote) yet they are never pulled up.

Are the SFA/UEFA going to do anything to punish st mirren for the ad boards? I won't hold my breath. St mirren have a board for the SNP, can you imaging if there was a board at celtic park for Sinn Fein!?!? they are both UK political parties so why should there be a difference

St Midden had SNP, Scottish Labour, Yes Scotland, George Adam (SNP) and other political advertisements in their stadium yesterday. At the same time, Erskine St Pauli Bhoys had their CSC banner (a tricolour with Che Guevara and Erskine St Pauli Bhoys in bold font on it) refused as it was deemed political by stewards.

Ahh but did the Erskine St Pauli Bhoys pay a fee to place their banner over and above the ticket price?

Political statements are banned in football. unless you pay the going advertising rates!

Surely its a lot worse if the club are taking money from political parties!?! Its also the club activley promoting something as opposed to a group of fans. the whole thing stinks.

You're right, they're effectively saying if you put the money up then you can make political statements in stadiums, what if the BNP wanted to advertise? surely st mirren couldn't allow one political party and not another?

Maybe the green brigade should start paying for advertising boards.

@gerrymurphy

Well I've just had a discussion with JP @celticFCSLO about this and essentially it is down to the individual clubs to deem what is appropriate advertising for their stadia.

HE stated he doesn't feel Celtic would allow political advertising in the stadium, I can't say I have ever noticed any political adverts in the stadium so can't comment on that being truthful. So celtic would not allow this idea to go very far.

My point now is thus

If Celtic and indeed the SPFL, SFA, FOCUS etc want political banners out of our stadia then the least we should expect is political advertisement out of our stadia.

If Politics truely should remain out of sport then it shouldn't be allowed to be advertised there in any shape or form. Paid for or not. Same for both the clubs and fans!

Have to admit I think politics has nowt to do with football, but when people are being criminalised for something at a football ground I understand why that is then the venue for them displaying their displeasure, just don't think it has been done in the right way without having to go into it too much.

Nothing stopping folk like the GB checking out advertising on these big bilboards in the vicinity to the stadium etc tho. But again, I don't know what the regs are for these, but I rekon you could put forward a pretty strong case that if political parties are allowed to advertise on them then why not someone who wishes to highlight flaws siad political parties have introduced?

06 Jan 2014 00:38:52
Ed, the moderators and posters are going to have to be on the money with the rules to all blogs or this could just be the start of something very messy
Someone will probably be getting enough info to say, maybe . write a book or two out of Celtic and our support
or am I just being paranoid as per?. Ths.

{Ed007's Note - You can't just start stamping down and screaming about rules because someone says something you didn't like or agree with though, that's the part a lot of people don't seem to understand. Rather than become suicidally offended as some do, why not just file it in the '$hite folder'? I find some of the stuff on blogs offensive, I also find Mrs Brown's Boys highly offensive (and maybe the worst comedy show I have ever seen) would it be shown on BBC1 if it was me pretending to be a stereotypical black or Chinese woman? What offends some is someone else's comedy, and the Seer of Donegal is the biggest comedy act out there, but like the Winters at the Glasgow Empire it seems 'Oh f**k... there's two of them' now.
My advice is ignore them and they might go away, you're life will be so much better for ignoring them.}

06 Jan 2014 00:01:22
Defender I tipped us to keep an eye on last week. Coll Donaldson from Livingston. looks like he will sign for QPR. Sizeable bid apparently. Jean-Pierre Laguerre

Minimal risk free six figure fee as well.

Still a long way off the finished article but he has potential. My only issue is that he wouldn't get a chance if he came to us and that would be a shame. At least if he goes lower leagues down south they will play him and the national team will benefit eventually. Talk is about £200k.