Celtic Banter Archive February 06 2013

06 Feb 2013 22:17:05
JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER DOWN PIEBROX WAY. GREEN. WHYTE AND NOW TRICOLOR

06 Feb 2013 18:36:30
How very interesting that Jabba answered the rumour of the winding up order. Interestingly he never denied that money was owed, he claimed it was"an insignificant amount", and upon receipt of the paperwork it would be paid. Two things; If it was an "insignificant amount" why not state it and make the other party look very cheap and nasty? Also, Was his boss not shouting about being debt free and cash rich? It would appear actually paying bills is still a problem down Piebrox way. And this club want the world to forgive them and start over?Laughable. . . green jhedi

There were and are no debts at newco rangers 5088. No debt to Hearts £400k, no debt to rapid Vienna £800k no debt to orlit £400k.

£400k is insignificant, only season tickets for 2, 300 fans after tax. All the above 10,000 fans.

£400k is insignificant? How ridiculous! People starving and freezing in this economy.
I'm sure every CEO of every SFL and SPL club, including Celtic, disagrees.
The shares money is going out the door to debt. Debt that doesn't exist.

06 Feb 2013 19:39:39
@Green Jhedi. Poor Rangers they have had to put up with all us "winding" them up now it has gone world wide and far east guys are getting in the act. lol Timalloy

400k is a significant fee of money to anyone mate. In football, in business whatever you like. What a stupid comment to make. You could buy about 6 or 7 of the Rangers first team combined for 400k. Faure, hegarty, Perry, Cribari, Hutton, Kyle and Sandaza. Black aswell. Chico would take your hand off at 400k for that pile of garbage.

And stop ignoring the FACTS mate. Rapid Vienna still haven't been paid what you owe them! They were speaking about it last month. Saying Rangers have agreed to pay them what they owed BUT they haven't received payment yet. They weren't claiming they where worried or anything, infact they sounded like they had been told a fine old tale by Old chucks. Fact are facts though and you haven't settled all footballing debts like the king liar says have you? Laughable honestly!

Wont rapid viennas money come from any money the oldco receives for jelavic from everton?

@No. 5

The new club won't see a penny from Everton - that debt died with the old club. Green agreed to pay Rangers' football-related debts as a condition of being granted associate membership of the SFA / SFL. This means he will have to pay Vienna the money owing on Jelavic but can't chase Everton for the cash. It's a bit like when Celtic signed Bobo Balde - a fee of £1m was agreed with Toulouse who subsequently went bust. Celtic ended up with the player without paying a transfer fee. This is probably why Whyte turned down West Ham's bid for Jelavic, even though it was higher than Everton's. Everton were paying more upfront and it's pointless accepting payment in installments when they would disappear as soon as the club went into liquidation.
Tragic, isn't it?

TomTheTim

@5) No!

SFA ordered Rangers to pay all football debts at home and abroad. Part of the deal to get they're membership.

@5) no! Oldco receipts are for creditors (in reality D&P and BDO fees).

Green assumed all footballing debts and must pay rapid V a recently agreed reduction from £1m to £800k.

06 Feb 2013 16:44:28
Alex Thomson saying on ch4 website that a winding-up petition may soon served by a Singapore based company Orlit Enterprises on newco. The story that never stops giving. Ticman

06 Feb 2013 08:58:32
I cannot understand why Lennon has left a CL place empty, I know Gershon is not yet match fit, but we will need good defenders especially over in Turin, with the best will in the world, Izzy is not a defender.
Young Gershon could have been named and hopefully made a contribution.
I hope Lennon goes with either Mathews or Ledley at left back versus Juve. Timalloy

I think its because you have to have a certain amount of home grown players in the squad but maybe doesn't think he has any more youngsters ready for it
bigD

Your lack of belief in Izaguirre is unbelievable. He isn't the player he was before the injury ok I will give you that but he is still a better left back than anyone else at Celtic or anyone else in the SPL. That is a fact mate. Ledley isn't a left back. He's got away with playing there once or twice, but i've seen him really struggle in there aswell. Mathews has had 1 good game at left back against Barca, a great performance i'll give you that, but every other time I have seen play there he has been poor to average. Izaguirre has played well in most of his CL appearances. He was solid against Benfica in the 1st game. Played well and created the winner against Spartak in the 2nd game. He worked his socks off in the nou camp, not a great performance but not at fault for either of the goals. He missed the 2 games against Benfica away and Barca at home through injury and played ok against Spartak at home. Can anyone on here tell me a better left back we have had in the last 10 years? Seriously! Even playing the way he is now, he's still a better left back than Danny Fox, Mo Camara, Stephen Crainey, Ross Wallace, Michael Gray, Lee Naylor, Ryan Conroy or Edson Braafheid. We tried Barry Robson, Jon-Joel Perrier-Doumbe and Mark Wilson there and they all struggled. The only player in the last ten years who I can honestly say was as good in there was Jackie McNamara. And he was a right-back which probably tells you something about how good a player he was. And McNamara only ever played there when we played a back 4 which wasn't very often under Martin O'Neill. He mostly played on the left hand side of a back 3. Anyway the point i'm making is clear, we should stick with Izzy and play him till he gets back to his best. Even close to his best would be enough, he was that good.

Izzy was at fault for Spartak's goal in the last game. Too far forward as usual, If he does that against Juve they will punish us more than once. I like Izzy, but I think the LB position is our weakest area of the team. I hope I'm completely wrong though. HH

Sparky88

@2. I think Matthews is a better defender than Izzy, because he tracks back quickly after breaking forward and Izzy takes his time. I hope we start with Lustig RB Matthews LB Fifebhoy1888

It's easy to choose any player and focus on an individual mistake here or there.
Celtic fans are lucky to be spotting singular errors from their players in top level CL football.
Izzy has put in amazing defensive perforces in CL games, especially Barca.
It's time to get behind the whole squad that got us here and played like heroes. No more whingeing. Leave the management to our most excellent manager.

Ed can we still register a new signing right up until the day before the game?

Maybe Lenny has a free agent lined up that he plans to sign and get in the CL squad that's the only way it makes sense not putting Rogic or Gershon in.

CeltStu {Ed007's Note - Once the squads are registered that's it Stu.}

Agree with the sentiment that Izzy doesn't track back. He is very slow to re-take his position after a foray forward. I think the best solution is to play him, and whilst in training have a system in place where there is one midfielder (Ledley for example) who slots into left back while Izzy goes forward. When we go forward, we don't have 2 strikers, 4 midfielders and Izzy all up in the final third. We could afford to drop a mid back while Izzy gets his breath back. And then if there is a quick break against us, Izzy doesn't have to run the full pitch, he can defend from midfield. Once the play is broken up, just swap back and start again.

Melb Bhoy

I've commented on this numerous times. Basically, I don't think Izaguirre and Samaras can play at the same time.
Izzy always looks to attack wide - with Sammy hugging the touchline is he always drifts inside. He constantly gets caught around the centre circle out of position.
Ledley can do the covering for one of them - no bother - but not both.
I think its a tweak to the formation and balance of the side that's needed - not simply 'a new left-back'. kbt1978

Well said the last 2 posters. Finally some footballing sense on here instead of armchair footballers dragging players down and pretending they know the game. Izaguirre hasn't lost all that ability he had because of his injury. His confidence is low and his engine isn't what it was before to get up an down the pitch. He was coming good again before his hamstring went at tannadice a while back. It's taking him time again. He is by far our bet left back. The suggestion that Mathews is a better defender is valid. But not on his wrong side at left back he's not.