Celtic Banter Archive August 06 2014

 

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06 Aug 2014 23:44:36
When Rangers died and we were having our jelly and ice cream in 2012, the Celtic Board began a campaign of complacency and penny pinching with a strategy of selling our best players while maintaining domestic dominance on the cheap with limited SPL rivalry for the foreseeable future.
They saw the 20+ point cushion of previous years a virtual guarantee of winning the title and hopefully some cups and CL qualification would be manageable for a club of Celtic's stature and experience.

The gamble partially worked when an untested manager called Neil Lennon maintained a certain level of success after a shaky start, however the job he was trying to do was hampered by difficulties in transfer targets and funds being released for much needed improvement to the squad as the Board and manager seemed to lose confidence in each other.
The final trophy haul was if anything - a lot less than was expected by everyone at the club, BUT:-
The short-sightedness and arrogance continued this season with the appointment of the fairly unknown Ronny D as manager (from a short-list of 5-10 leading candidates?!) plus John Collins as his ass.

As well as having a new management team it has been necessary to play away from Celtic Park in view of the Commonwealth Games - not an ideal preparation for such a huge undertaking as C L qualifiers with no addition in quality to the team.
New mangers at Celtic after MON have all had a tough baptism with difficulties in player relations, training methods and playing systems and invariably there will be more players leaving within the month.
It's too early to judge RD but he does not instil me (or the players apparently) with confidence; so Ronny and John Collins have their work cut out to convince us they are up for this job.


If our club had been run with proper diligence and professionalism, with a commitment to maintain the standards and quality expected and deserved by Celtic support, we would not be in this situation now!
The Board have got it wrong many times and it's not just since 2012; it's deja vu for many of us over 50.
Sort it out guys.

JJ

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I know everyone's rightly so p'd off at the transfer policy and trawling over Peter Lawwell's wage but jeezo that was a right soulless performance by the team tonight. They had no intention of winning. We were in the South Stand and I never seen a decent effort on goal by any of our players, literally wee soft passes to their goalkeeper.

I thought the Legia would have came here to defend but within 5 minutes they sussed out they could have a right go and put the game out of sight, which they did before half time. 6-1 isn't just an unlucky defeat where we were missing a keys player, it's a diabolical gubbing and not by a Barcelona.

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06 Aug 2014 23:35:01
all of a sudden pl is this and that remember all the praise when the old club died about a tight ship etc etc. The problem is that the scouting has gone bad and the signings have been poor particulary over the last 2 years don't forget pl pays john park etc to find players and the manager most times has the final decision. A six million pound signing would not have turned this tie around look at the trash lennon left tampon pukki johanson etc sorry but delia is out of his depth and I think wee Jackie will be in by xmas as another cheap replacement

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Scouting? Any fan on here can name affordable players which would seriously improve the quality of our side. Yet the past 2-3 years we get some "raw" "gem" you've never heard of or a misfit on loan. I think it's the spending not the scouting. And it IS affecting the team. 2 years embarrassed in Europe, after a successful team which got to the last 16 has almost entirely been dismantled and not sufficiently replaced? It'seems obvious where the blame lies.

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06 Aug 2014 23:34:41
The way I see it is that we're back to where we where 4 yrs ago. A manager with no euro experience and battered by average teams, a squad that needs major improvement and the need to sell our best players to try and move us forward again. 4 yrs ago it was McGeady and Boruc now it's foster and vvd. In NLs first 2 seasons we gradually got better then rangers went tits up and we have nosed dived. If and when these players go RD has to be given time and money to move us in his direction. For me though the buck stops with PL. Him saying " we aim to come out ever transfer window stronger" is now up with Murrys "for every 5er I'll spend a 10er"

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06 Aug 2014 23:24:25
just like to say get the boy May from st johnstone in now before he leaves or and even cifti from Dundee utd it will be another one lost listened to match on radio tonite and all we hear is they are missing rangers and do not invest as there is no challenge I have said plenty of times on hear although not printed we have missed a chance to pull away from rangers and the only positive is that wee sneaky is still in charge when they make the top flight

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06 Aug 2014 23:33:29
Lawell Must GO

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07 Aug 2014 00:52:06
May is that good he wouldn't get his place in the current celtic set up and that's saying something.

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06 Aug 2014 23:21:25
Said before a ball was kicked this manager cudnt cut it while everyone was givin it large about his positivity lol.Questions need to be asked
1 why were legia better prepared than us?
2 why were they fitter that us?
3 what are we doing in training about set pieces?
4 5 wks of preparation and not 1 inventive move or set piece why?
5why are we trying to change systems in CL qualifiers?
6why play with 3 up top when none have any pace?
7why didn't deila shut up shop at half time in Poland?
8why play a new signing you just got the day before when he not even trained with the squad?
9why play so many players out of position?
10why play with midfielders who are all 1 paced?
Answer, the manager is inexperienced and doesn't know what he doing at this level and is clearly out of his depth.There is no way this would a happened under Lennon many on here wanted him out. There is a saying. Be careful what you wish for.

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And most important point. it was lennons squad. A right mess for ANY manager to deal with

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Lennon seemed to be able to coax a decent performance out of these players .
Deila seems to have scared the decent performances out of the same players .

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You've got the most important point totally wrong DN mate, it's Lawwell's squad. NL had his hands tied and the boards ambition did not meet his own.

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06 Aug 2014 23:16:27
Boerighter £3m
Pukki £2.3m
Balde £1.7m
Johansen £2m
Griffiths £0.8m (all est)

Approx £9.8m spent last season on total and utter dross. Can think of 5 far better players that would cost around the same yet do a far better job and possibly of kept us in CL!

Its a lot of money to spend, especially with lower TV revenue than most countries.

No matter what way you look at it, lennon identified these players as good enough to play for celtic! Cheers Neil for mess you have left us in! Absolute arrogance to slate mowbray when he took over!

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06 Aug 2014 23:40:34
What are you on DN. You've lost the plot totally. How many of those players did Lennon even want let alone play regularly? . your hate for lennon far outshines any knowledge you have of football or experienced European managers

If Lennon was still manager, far from perfect yes, you could be sure we would be in the next round of Cl.

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As usual you lookin in the wrong place DN, Griffiths and Johannsen are hardly a waste of money they have contributed.Funny how you only mention the poor 1s, what about all the money Lennon made the club with his transfers? You ran away when it was proved he was well in the black with them. And possibly Forster and VVD leaving would get another 15m at least but that wudnt count would it lol.

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TTTS you are in denial. Lennon never wanted these players? Utter BS. Wake up son and realise he made a mess of it! If that's the case then he didn't want VVD etc? Ah that's right! They have done well so of course lennon wanted them eh?

Rayman, best part of 10m wasted last season whether you like it or not. Now i'm now saying every player will be a success but to squander 10m on duds on one season surely says something

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How on earth anyone can say johansson has been a success bewilders me as does people raving about Biton the only player to come out of last night with any credit would be Scott brown and I'm not his biggest fan.
Ronny deila should be replaced with Stevie Clark which would be a huge embarrassment but show a willingness to admit mistakes particularly this summer, ronny has no connection to celtic so I don't have much sympathy for him let him go and build his super system at brondby or something.

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07 Aug 2014 11:12:16
Stefan Johansen is a class act in my eyes. And where's yer rants about Forster wanyama or vvd? Aye thought so. Lenny done us good turn with his hands tied. Get down aff yer soapbox and get behind the side. For the words we don't care if we win lose or draw are pointless if we continue to bitch n moan about manager or team. Let's put on a show in the Europa league.
Hail hail.

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Well DN 30 football manager extraordinaire, who are these 5 players YOU assume are better player's, what, you can't name them because someone else has not named any. Even now with Lenny away all you do is denigrate the man, did we not make the league stage's last year, did he not take us to the last sixteen. As usual you don't have a clue, you come on here spouting absolute pi$h but never come up with an answer, typical know it all who has not one iota of knowledge about football.
Tambhoy

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He never squandered DN he speculated, how many on here kept sayin we need to speculate to accumulate.Its true your hatred is getting in the way of any common sense (I wonder why you hate him so much )At these level of prices you can't win them all and your forgetting he is following the boards policy. I say it to you again (which part do you not understand) he made a profit with his signings.So how can money be wasted.

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Tambhoy, I can't name them? I can name plenty for each position. Il take it that the fact you have not suggested any, that you are of the opinion that the 5 listed are celtic quality because "lenny signed him"? Do you know how much of an idi.ot you have just made yourself look there?

Every right to "denigrate the man" as you put it! He has left celtic in a far worse state than when mowbray took over from strachan and i'm not surprised that certain fans like yourself are prepared to forget about all his failings cause he was a celtic hero as a player! You mention last 16 and group stages. did you actually see any of our performances last season? Its not surprising you have convientley missed out our abysmal cup record under lennon!

Ive always maintained solution.stop cutting corners when appointing managers. Mowbray and lennon should never have got anywhere near managers post.

And you say its me who doesn't know about football? Pmsl

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Well name them, you just do not have a clue.pmsl no mate you just pm because that's all you ever do is talk pi$h, as I stated you have NO answer's, you just like seeing your name in print, I never made a statement that I could name anyone, you did so WHERE are all these name's? DUH as I say you don't have a clue
Tambhoy

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Right DN question time,
1 Was Lennon a success as a manager?
2 Which manager in your opinion has been a success in last 15 yrs?
3 How can Lennon leave a better team when they constantly getting sold under him?
4 did lennon make celtic money?
5 is there any team in last 15 years you enjoyed watchin?
6 You wanted Lennon out who did you want to replace?

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{Ed007's Note - 1)That depends on what you measure success by, League wins it's a yes but overall trophy haul is a no. 2)Jurgen Klopp. 3)He can't do anything, he's not the manager now. 4)Yes. 5)Yes. 6)Em.. Lennon?? :)

Tambhoy I've got plenty of answers.just off top of my head:

Adam Rooney
Craig Makail-Smith
Stevie May
Nadir Cifti
Stuart Armstrong

All cost substantially cheaper and would do a far better job than those duds lennon signed.

Go on! Slate suggestions! Give us all a laugh at how you are going to argue how these players (not champions league quality but better than names in question) are not as good pmsl

End of the day, its evident I have more of a clue than yourself.

GIRUY

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Was that a wee tongue in cheek answer to no6 ed because I think you know he did not add him as his last word to the question, all I want to know is why not let DN30 answer for himself
Tambhoy

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{Ed007's Note - I couldn't resist the urge for a bit of smart-arsedness, Tam.}

Rayman:

1. Winning league is certainty in one horse race, where are domestic cup success so NO

2. Although always thought MON was a good manager, I would have to say in my own opinion STRACHAN based on cup successes (thats what you measure the success of manager on not europe run).

3. Apart from forster and VVD who in right mind would sign any of lennons other signings?

4. Discussed this in depth before, lennon did not sign KI and McGeady totalling approx £15m so how can these 2 transfers be used to credit lennon as making £ off his own signings?

5. Yes of course, right up till mowbray.

6. Would of been happy with Felix Magath

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Appreciate the sentiment ed, but just trying to figure out if our beloved DN enjoys anything celtic lol.

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Tam, I apologise for having my opinion. i'm really really sorry I've got the baws to stand up and be heard and not be bullied into having the opinion that everything is okay at celtic, just because lennon is exempt from any fault of the state he left celtic in and what lawwell says goes.

Here Tam I note you haven't responded to my 5 suggestions, is that cause you know i'm right?

Like how you try to get Ed to "get on side" with you, crawling up his hoop with your last response pmsl deflective responses at it best pmsl

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Rayman who appointed you celtic super fan anyway? Who are you to question what anyone likes about celtic?

At least I voice my concerns and don't sit back and say nothing about the state of affairs at celtic just now. Would of been interesting to of heard your thoughts back in 1994.

You go on about how great a manager lennon was and his good signings like wanyama etc. yet when it comes to likes of pukki etc, all of a sudden its a lawell signing! Come on are you for real? Even lennon knows he made a mess of it and quoted on live TV after one of the last games of season as saying "im going nowhere, got a major rebuilding task ahead of me"

Answer the question. did the board back mowbray? Or is that only an excuse allowed for lennons failings pmsl

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But you don't have your own opinion, you have alway's to wait on somneone mentioning a player's name, with the possibility of Armstrong, who has been mentioned on here on numerous occasion's by other poster's, none of your other candidate's are any better than what we have, as for you being happy with Magath did his team not get relegated? BTW all the player's you have named have been suggested on here before, can you not think of any yourself, same old same old drivel, oh I know it take's BAW's to come on here NOT, no one know's who you really are.so why would you need baw's, what age are you ten.You must be nearly drowning with all that pi$hing your doing.Was the Ed maybe tryiing to make sure you had an answer to rayman because he know's you ain't got one thoughtful answer of your own. I was being facitious when I asked ed to let you answer on your own but your obviously to thick to realise when your getting the pi$h ripped out you, there you must be drowned now.Oh heaven for the rest of us
Tambhoy

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Aye tambhoy, if that was the case then I would be agreeing with everyone on this. So basically cause I've got a different opinion, then it must be someones elses i'm copying? Pmsl absolute nonsense statement!

Alright so because players have been mentioned before, i'm not allowed to use them as examples?

Getting pi$h ripped oot me? Sorry I thought this was a banter page? Is that not allowed for me to wind people up and people wind me up?

Just reflect on your post, you really have made an absolute embarrassment of yourself! Absolute clown pmsl

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Tell me where I have made a clown of myself, tell me where, in any post you have made a suggestion of your own, tell me where in any post you have gave any solution's of your own.tell me where in any post, you have said anything positive about Celtic, tell me where in any post you have been able to wind anyone up, no you reflect on my postand tell me where I am wrong in anything I have said, as I stated last year you are one of those people who can't see the forest fot the tree's. We will see how long it take;s you to spout about getting rid of the new manager because that's the usual pi$h you come out with. Oh when you keep putting pmsl on your post's, that's about the only thing worth listening to
Tambhoy

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Spoilt for choice, there has been that many occasions! My personal favourites are-
accusing me of not having my own opinion when its clearly evident anything I post, is in a manner to debate my point (sorry cause its not same opinion as yours i'm automatically wrong)

stating about getting pi$$ taken out me (again sorry I was under the impression that this was a banter page and it was all part of the fun)

Coming up with a pi$$ poor attempt to discredit 5 suggestions as alternative transfers cause others share same opinion (btw they 5 players are far better than pukki etc and they can all be found on our own doorstep. Used them as example of how bad these signings are)

There ye go fella! Pretty much made a clown of yourself.

What so i'm supposed to lie and say things are great at celtic? Say something good? Are you really saying this? Thought it was crystal clear that my view is celtic needs an overhaul to get rid of deadwood from board right down to youth! Why would I lie just to keep you happy?

Manager has my full support, maybe you should try giving him support. After all it is lennons duds he is trying to work with.

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06 Aug 2014 23:13:18
Best to move on from tonight, ensure we qualify from Europa league and give it a proper go!

Im of the opinion of let Forster, Stokes, Commons, Ambrose, pukki, balde, tampon go.

Id buy 3 players, Souttar, Armstrong and May. Wont even cost 5 million combined.

Bleed younger players like fasan, frazer, fisher, o'connell, ajatic. Let our youth have a chance to prove themselves.

My ideal team for the season

Fasan
Matthews souttar van dijk lustig izzy
Brown johan henderson
Armstrong
May

5-3-2 with both wing backs up and down the flanks tight in midfield with a striker who will lead the line

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06 Aug 2014 22:56:14
Goodbye 15 million from the champions league, hello 16 million from our 2 best players.

Ronny said last week he was not afraid of going out the champions league maybe noe he will realize he should be.

Whipping boys for a polish outfit an absolute joke.

Well done Pedro, hey ho you still got us the Europa league and plenty of money in the bank, you can't be that bad can you?

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If there's any positives to take from tonight, then it's surely the big £9m brick wall of a keeper Craig Gordon will be the new #1 :) every cloud and aw that.

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06 Aug 2014 22:51:29
Ronny Delia will make mistakes that is enevitable and he does have no experience at European level but at spl level he will do fine! That's the worry the man is getting hounded already for the old mangers failings . He knows the squad aren't up to it and needs investment quickly to many passengers boerrigter pukki stokes mulgrew biton kayal balde all dross!

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Disagree with you about Biton. He looked a bumper before he got injured last season. Man City missed out on him due to red tape and they don't sign dross these days

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How can you tell either way with biton as he just ambles about the same part of midfield very slowly and never actually does anything

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06 Aug 2014 21:51:23
That was dire, poor is giving them a compliment anybody who believes Legia Warsaw were good never did there homework! They are a team whose TOP scorer last season was a midfielder with 14 goals! There league is won by one of the lowest scoring leagues in Europe, they have not a had a CL representative for FIFTEEN years at the League stage!

We are trying to plat 4-3-3 and everyone better than RD has FAILED very very quickly ir Paul LE Guen, John Barnes and Tony Mowbray!

Our Board have gambled big time and FAILED!

PL to blame first, RD to blame second because one shot on target ffs! this is CELTIC!

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The buck stops with the board Jamie. They've hired a guy who's under qualified for the job. It's plain to see the players are not responding. why I don't know, maybe they just don't get it, it's Neil Lennon's team he is trying to win over. Love him or loath him but that's the reality. RD won't last the pace this season. where next. Who knows

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Agreed Ian a said all along PL took RD knowing Larsson the Messiah/Saviour was avail in November! They gave it to NL with no experience they WILL do it again goes against my grain but was happy to hear fans turn on PL atvb Ian

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06 Aug 2014 22:51:35
Rd selection tonight was questionable to say the least. Biton and mulgrew in middle. We needed 3 goals , never would that set up work. In Rd's defence though he has bought no players. No support from the board. He may or may not be a good manager. But these Are lennons players . Not sure why he plays some out of position but the point must be if you being a new manager in you must support him. Rd I must admit looks naive to say the least but he has had no help. Our assistant manager was hand picked, our back up goalie was hand picked . I just hope rd is not of the thinking he's lucky to be manager so he doesn't rock the boat . He's obviously failing with lennons players so why have we not give him the chance to succeed with his own.

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Jamiebhoy, its going to get worse before it gets better. Since strachan, club has nosedived in quality of players at club.

Lennon has left us in a worse state than when he took over reigns from mowbray, yet people think that cause he took us to last 16 he is a hero! (Only reason we got to last 16 was wanyama playing best game of football I have seen him play against barca).

We are a massive club, yet being run by someone who would rather concentrate on commonwealth games than our club! Lawell must go now!

It is unacceptable how lawell thinks its alright to gamble a potential £20m CL group stages cash pot. I don't even think we will reach europa group stages after tonights performance!

The only way this is going to stop is a united boycott of all games, merchandise, etc and force lawell out!

Ed you wouldn't happen to know how much £ lawell has made in bonuses since being in charge?

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Dn30, I've saw you get a bit grief of some posters but to me your my hero. Exactly right what you say. Don't know why people take offence. We need to spend money. We have reduced ourselfeves to a 6 1 agh defeat. Why? because we've sold quality and bought rubbish. People need to take their green tinted specs off. We are being taken for a joke

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DN30 I think NL left us better than he found us mate, a think during NL reign we picked up some quality tbh! Never a fan of a boycott especially to those who purchased season tickets would rather and vent discontent ( which is against my grain either!) clearly players rebelling not interested and wonder if JC/RD are pushing them more than they like mate! decanting for the CG was a massive mistake and said so already just how many pieces of silver did we get to do so? Cannot see them hiding it in 14/15 accounts atvb

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DN30 Totally agree Lawell has to go he has held us in contempt for too long, we buy tickets and merchandise to support OUR club yet he thinks by having money in the bank he is doing his Job. As the good old saying goes you need to spend money to make money, we have not had ant significant investment in years does he forget this is CELTIC football club not some 2 bit 1st division club, however by the way we played tonight we are starting to look like one.

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DN 30
You are aware the only reason big Victor was able to play so well against Barca was Lennon signed him from some wee club from Belguim .

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07 Aug 2014 12:29:35
Wouldn't you love a wee peek into bobbys bedroom just to see the DN memorabilia weighing down the walls

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The board is to blame, they could have released more money nearly every window . The manager may have got his tactics wrong but one thing is sure the bloody players last night did not perform nor did they try to perform .
Always I thought that our players would try, they would try to out work the opposition, but not that lot last night . I cannot remember as gutless a show .

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Yourman, I am well aware who signed wanyama-lennon. Deserves credit where credit due. Just like deserves to be held accountable for duds signed likewise

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06 Aug 2014 21:50:58
Hi Ed. Had the knee jerk reaction after last weeks humbling to demand a clear out and a taxi for Ronnie!
Was hoping we would turn it round but this team is nowhere near the standard required to grace our beloved hoops. Peter Lawell hang your head in shame! Do the decent thing Peter, go now and don't come back! Take your yes men with you.
We as season ticket holders have been conned by Lawell for years. We need investment now. We need a clear out now!!
I am rightly angry. I pay for my three season tickets and deserve to be heard. The players we have signed the last two years have largely been poor quality.
Johansen(poor and one paced. slow), Pukki(poor), Amido Balde(poor) Boerighter(poor),.
Griffiths and VVD in my opinion are successes.
We have wasted millions on dross. The buck stops with Peter Lawell. So. TAXI for LAWELL please.

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U make a good point, however what has Griffiths done to be a success?

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Scored 1 in 2 since he signed which isn't bad for a player who was frozen out at Wolves, considering a few of his appearances were from the bench. He's the best striker we have

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06 Aug 2014 21:42:29
Not even 2 years ago we beat Barcelona . I'm not sure on the exact figures but since then we have sold roughly 30 million pounds on players, spent 10 million on replacements at the most . Brought in revenue from 2 champions league appearances. Brought a unknown manager in, a rookie in European football. That was the time to kick on and really establish ourselves, instead in less than 2 years we can now expect to lose more of our players and unfortunately have to start again. We had the chance to kick on but instead our board and some fans decided that was as good as it gets . We have got what we deserve . Lack of ambition. I'm hurting tonight, we have to start all over again . The club must take responsibility

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06 Aug 2014 22:32:06
If I try to think. And think hard all I can come up with is that they would have had to spend too much money to challenge legia never mind the next team for champions league. It's looking like its a transitional season. There is too much deadwood In that team to replace all at once and doing a full scale clear out is dangerous. I don't like it myself but it's got to be done. Players need to go and the ones that come in will be the ones to compete next year. A full rebuild required but hopefully it's not as bad as the Manchester United scenario. Ronny has a slight amount of reputation so hopefully he weathers the storm because I quite like the cut of his jib. Hopefully he walks the walk as well as talking the talk.

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Has anyone considered PL/Desmond ( final say so on proceedings btw) haven't deliberately downsized so that when that incarnation return to the top league there is a competitive challenge?
Had we strengthened correctly over last 2 yrs the challenge from the other side of Glasgow would have been minimal.
It lays claim to us not being able to perform at a level without them- shame on our owners as far as I'm concerned.
I can foresee it now, take every penny we can through whatever commercial revenue stream this season knowing if rangers return next yr, the expected increase in tix sales etc will see prices rise ( of course all the protagonists who claimed they meant zero won't buy, not!) and leverage on all commercial steams.
Bottom line tonight has hopefully shown all the pro board fans exactly where we are. Very sad day in our history and importantly shouldn't have had to happen

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When we beat barca 2 years ago rangers weren't in our league. Why bring them up? They'll only effect us if we let them. They are miles behind. **** them. Reality is no champions league this season and thankfully that has **** all to do with rAngers. It's because we lack ambition

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Bobby, u seriously think our board haven't considered they're demise n need for us to sadly compete with them?
Back then, they already had plans in place to downsize rather than push on.
I've said on here numerous times about our managements "glass ceiling" approach n only now are the pl brigade turning, pity it's taken you all 2 yr to fathom it out

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06 Aug 2014 21:36:48
With the champs league gone and wondering who will pump us in the Europa league play off round what does the future hold rd is nowhere near the man for the job couldn't care what anyone thinks he's not my fear is that when the dead ones come back it will be easy to roll us over as for one we need a solid team we need investment good players not the muck like pukki johannsen biton mulgrew griffiths stokes they are all pish now the board will let delia sign some players to cover the cracks of this untimely embarrassment tonight but what kind of pish is he going to bring in going by the Berget fella then we can forget winning

Well done Legia your player was right st pats were a better team

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06 Aug 2014 21:30:47
Ed - The board must have seen this coming? This is the lowest I've felt about Celtic in a long time and the season hasn't even started. Is there any possibility fan power could get the current board (mainly PL & DD) out

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It worked for Lazio last year. They sold their top players and didn't reinvest. Performances slumped. But the fans stood up against their regime in numbers and it worked. I'm up for it.

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Count me in. Only way things are going to change. Club needs a total overhaul from board, to management, squad and youth development.

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Jim & DN. Glad we are on the same page, something has got to give here. RD is only a scape goat, poor guy doesn't even know he's oot the hoose! He's working with a squad that's not buying into his ideas. I don't think they get it. not sure I do either

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06 Aug 2014 21:28:54
Lets be honest about this, they are far better than us all over the park. We weren't up to the challenge - no heart, passion, tempo and no creativity. We didn't stretch them at all - it was embarrassing. There were no grains of positivity about tonight. The knock on effect of tonight could be significant - I would be shocked if we hang onto foster or virgil, commons hasn't signed a new contract but didn't look interested tonight amongst others.
Has anyone any inside track on how Ronny and JC have been received by the players? Attitudes of too many of them look well off the mark.
In my opinion Ronny has to be given a chance to put this right, let's see how confident the board are in the man they appointed - this will be clearly shown in the amount of money they give him to spend. As a minimum he needs all the money from any players sold. If he doesn't get that then we are on trouble.

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I think rd would make a good assisstant, but no way a celtic manager

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You're onto something here. It must be quite difficult to succeed NL. Ronny is quieter and doesn't quite have the authority that Lennon had almost automatically. He needs his own team. He needs a feckin striker, and a midfielder. Broony would do - but he alongside someone with the killer pass is the way forward. I hoped Johanson might work out, and he may. Ah, balls. rubbish day to be a Tim. Really would have been embarrassing had we made it through somehow, tho.

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06 Aug 2014 21:26:44
Alright folks, this has been a shameful disgrace from a so called Celtic team! Let's not beat about the bush this has been a total embarrassment from start to finish. I fully expected Celtic to progress tonight, but the team are obviously incapable of putting in a performance worthy of the jersey! I was willing to give Ron D a chance but I now realise it's not going to happen! There's no doubt Deila is culpable but the board are even more so! (first time poster btw)

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06 Aug 2014 21:42:46
Where do we go now? Pressure really on now for RD and barely had a foot in the door!
Canny get this out my head but I mind when Barnes took over all the nice talk and his 42222 formation crap, hope it's not more of the same
Will the board back the manager now with some cash or do we get told on our failings we need to sell some of the
prize players, I know which one i'd guess

Great site btw Ed being reading it for ages

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06 Aug 2014 22:41:13
With 12 players in your formation I'm surprised Barnes failed

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06 Aug 2014 21:18:44
The boy who scored for feyenoord Elvis Manu is a good young winger IMO. We should pop a sneaky bid in for him. Just wondering also who people think we are likely to sign if anyone now we are not in the champions league.

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06 Aug 2014 21:23:22
The players either don't get RD ideas or they just can't be bothered buying into it, at the end of the day the poor guys been chucked in at the deep-end, under qualified for the job a yes man who's happy to work under a board with no ambition to take this club forward. This is the poorest Celtic team for a while. Bad start to spl and RD will be offski. Personally I think we should be clearing out the Board room of dead wood aswell as that squad.

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Spot on mate! I think were all starting to wonder why our squad has been allowed to be depleted to such a degree that we become a laughing stock!

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It's terrible, something has to give at board level. Why are we just accepting this?

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I, like a lot of others, feared when Rangers went down the board would use it as an excuse to cut back 'as long as we were above them' . Looks like that is where we are. Their penny pinching will come to roost, there will be plenty of empty seats at CP this season.

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06 Aug 2014 21:23:17
And some people had the naiivety to think we're good enough to turn this tie around. A feckin disgrace of a performance. Round the clock is ticking. Fast. Too fast for you I think!

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06 Aug 2014 21:23:03
Is it safe to assume that we will lose players after this mess is completed this evening.

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06 Aug 2014 21:22:21
Scottish football is dying, with or without the new rangers and there problems, there is no money and it will not get better any time soon

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06 Aug 2014 21:20:35
The only thing this board is going to be worried about is the 75 pound per season ticket holder they are going to loose for no lt qualifying but there will be some contingency plan in place for that to ring out our pockets mabye big guy to stand at the turnstyle and hold you upside down and shake you until it all drops out, trying to cheer myself up here been on a downer and resigned to going out since last weeks performance just can't see how ronny will turn this around now Europa league qualifier don't know who we can get but it will be hard to qualify for that don't even think we are at that standard anymore. Sorry ed needed to let off some steam there

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06 Aug 2014 21:18:59
we can't even improve this dross .no one is going to come here this season now we can't qualify, to play in a one horse league

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06 Aug 2014 21:12:44
A disgrace, van djik and Forster will leave now no question and we will be left with dross .derk boerrigter balde pukki biton mulgrew stokes all dross who on earth are going to want them. this club needs major surgery and it's never going to happen and I'm starting to wonder if Delia and collins have any transfer targets? Nothing not a peep. The media are linking our players with everybody Matthews van djik Forster commons all linked away and **** all coming in!! **** the board and management team disgusting.

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06 Aug 2014 21:06:12
disgraceful performance, that what you get for doing nothing no wonder Keane or anyone worth there salt would not touch the job

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06 Aug 2014 21:06:09
Do we at least get Europa league?
I'll get behind the lads n the new gaffer whoever we play. The board is who we need to challenge.

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I agree Pirlo but do you think it will bother them?

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06 Aug 2014 21:31:59
Nah Tony because in the end a good 40k supporters will turn up to the home games and we will continue to moan an next year we will do this all again. My heart flutters when Ihear we have three rounds to go tthrough. Is it just one Europa qualifier?

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06 Aug 2014 21:05:47
I said it last our club is dying slowly, it pains and kills me, the manager has not a clue, after that donkey mulgrew performance last week, to pens and at fault for two goals he starts him! As I said last week no champions league our league is a disgrace! The only way forward in my opinion is show the board without us there is no club, people should stop putting bums back on celtic park seats, we are always short changed in every area, enough is enough! 40 pound for celtic tv I'm a bigger idiot for buying it and flying to Glasgow 10 times a year.

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Feel your pain mate. agree vote with our feet.

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06 Aug 2014 21:05:46
2-0 I can't watch this any more

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06 Aug 2014 21:04:16
Pathetic, embarrassing. Simply Unacceptable

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06 Aug 2014 21:03:30
I kept my piece from the first CL game last week, as ragin as I was, I kept stoom on here (albeit I've not been on for a while)
When the anger kicks in, things will be said!
So I'm ok tonight :)
Anyone who thought any different on turning this result round was off their head! That's where I'm fine, love the positive side of things though.
Realistically? It's night and day!
I'm ok because I know we are mediocre in the level we aim for, decent in the rubbish that we play amongst week in week out!
I'm ok tonight because legia are/were the better team!
I'm ok with it because we were rotten in the first game. And we (the realists) seen it coming.
I'm ok with it because you need to go out and win games, we didn't!
I posted this with 40mins to go, even if we did go through lol
We don't deserve it! And in my twisted mind I don't want to!
Things don't change at our club till the $hit hits the fan!
I'll not be back, and it killed me telling the kids last fri when we went out to eat.
Cheated out of our money/investment for too long. Some of us see it, most like to paper over it (don't know if its an age thing)
Investment will no doubt be made :)
But at the expense of selling our best players and bringing in mince or "Gems" as some fans like to call them.
But never mind money in the bank for a rainy day that will never come!
On the plus side there will be a clear out, hope the board are in on that clear out!
Ragin the last wee while ok tonight :)

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06 Aug 2014 20:59:28
I am watching this game thinking to myself that there is no fighting spirit and no leadership in this squad of players. They seem tired, unorganised and lacking any zest or interest. Do they realise or care that they are playing in the Club footballs' premier competition for one of the biggest Clubs in football?

In terms of ability I would argue that this is comparable if not worse than the days of Carl Muggleton, Rudi Vata, Lee Martin, Gary Gillespie, Stuart Slater, Andy Payton, Wayne Biggins, Willie Falconer etc. from the Macari days.

The difference is we have a shiny new stadium worthy of the Commenwealth Games (but obviously not our own European ambitions), a enviable training complex and an estimated television and transfer income of £30 million in the last few seasons. We were in dire straits financially in those days but there is no excuse in 2014. When are we going to invest? This can't continue.

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06 Aug 2014 20:40:17
We are being outclassed all over the park by a balanced team, It's over . On another note this garbage I'm watching aren't the celtic I know and love they are a bunch of mediocre dross that have been staining my beloved club shirt for the last 12 months . Playing players out of position is an absolute schoolboy move and when you are playing in Europe it's suicide . The board and their signing policy has now collapsed around about them. What an absolute disgusting start to any season .

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06 Aug 2014 20:37:48
Dire first half. Can't believe I thought this was possible. A couple of 'half' chances - and that's being positive. We just don't look like creating in the final 3rd. Mulgrew just doesn't have it - can't believe he, or Commons started after last week. Thought Pukki was alright last week, given he had no service - he's not on. Instead moody Stokes is! Really want to support RD, and will do. But worrying already that the talk is good, but not so much the play. Onwards and all that. HH

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Yep its hard to watch alright.

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06 Aug 2014 20:37:06
I hope the BOARD are proud of themselves I could not make the game tonight for medical reasons but for the first time in a long time I am pleased I am not there . if you put nout in you get nout out

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06 Aug 2014 20:36:40
Well unless we can pull off a miracle which from the first half only two players are actually contributing any attack (McGregor and Matthews) then it's European football for us. I don't believe they're a better team at all but they're faster and more athletic and when we have Mulgrew in the middle then it's going to play in their favour. Henderson would've been much better in my opinion.

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06 Aug 2014 20:12:26
Need to get Charlie off Griffiths, he has been dire so far! 20 mins gone

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06 Aug 2014 20:07:16
20 mins gone and we have not even tested the keeper.

We don't look like scoring.

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First half has been nothing but poor. These clowns commentating on Celtic TV are an embarrassment.

Matthews and McGregor cannot play a final pass

Stokes and Commons are playing a blinder in the Ghost position.

The rest have been average at best. We need to change things instantly for 1 goal never mind 4.

Commons, Mulgrew need to be taken off, Griffiths and Pukki pushed up tops with Canthony Stokes

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Totally agree Kev. Actually laughed when they went on about how strong Forster is with his feet after that near howler! Well known that's his worst attribute!

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PLEA TO ALL CELTIC FANS, PLEASE VOTE WITH YOUR FEET AND BOYCOTT FUTURE GAMES.

THIS BOARD NEED TO LEARN THAT WE ARE NOT MUGS AND WILL NOT ACCEPT CELTIC BEING TURNED INTO A CLUB TO BE LAUGHED AT

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06 Aug 2014 18:45:22
Just seen the team for tonight's game, doesn't fill me with confidence.Hope I am wrong.
HH

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Imo mulgrew and biton not mobile enough in mid could get run over again

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Do we know whether Mulgrew is centre back or centre midfield .

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06 Aug 2014 18:40:21
I dint think I have ever felt like this before one of our games recently but I'm absolutely terrified we won't qualify, if we are down sizing this much now can you imagine how bad it's going to get? I can honestly see us not being as dominant in the league either, if commons leaves and takes his 30 odd goals a season with him and all we have is stokes and co then we are going to struggle for goals all season

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Ah come on, things won't get that bad. All small leagues are downsizing . Where do you thing the EPL teams would be if it wasn't for TV .
I want signings too, but we have too be realistic . More rumours about out goings than will happen .

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06 Aug 2014 18:35:02
Give us a team that is capable of getting FOUR goals please

Commons, Griffiths, McGregor, VVD ( set pieces ) then take your pick of Stokes . Pukki, Henderson IMO atvb jb7

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06 Aug 2014 16:35:47
Can anyone tell me if any other club in the last few years that have made the last 16 of the cl sold the best players and replaced them with garbage! Really pissed off that we don't have anyone special in our team not one player of ours would get into a top team maybe our goal forster or van dik but they are off this year!

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Fc basel done it in 2011/12 season, sold there best players bought new ones and have still managed to reach the quarter finals and semi finals of the europa in recent years.

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06 Aug 2014 18:24:25
Just looked up they still spend 26 million 8.9 euros on one player

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You get what you pay for then eh?

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Rather than make a negative about reaching the last 16 and losing our best player because he insisted in leaving,
Instead be happy that we got to the last 16 in 2012 . With the growth of the major leagues we are unlikely to achieve that again for a very long time

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06 Aug 2014 16:30:42
Firstrow sports showing the game tonight

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06 Aug 2014 16:01:40
Anyone know if there any pubs in East Kilbride showing the celtic game tonight

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06 Aug 2014 12:09:20
Is the game on TV the night

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06 Aug 2014 16:15:32
Celtic tv

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Is that the only way to get the game is there no foreign channels that have it?

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06 Aug 2014 17:53:03
Someone stayed setanta Ireland is it on that

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06 Aug 2014 09:11:16
In Nerja in the costa del sol at the moment. Anyone know of any Celtic pubs on the area. Also, is the game actually on anywhere tonight? Cheers in advance

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Champions league games don't get covered, only the illustrious petrofac cup and europa cup, that's the bbc in Scotland for you always has been and always will be pro anybody bar celtic.killy

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06 Aug 2014 09:03:36
The foster commons rumours that if Celtic don't make the cl they will be sold, in my views seem very true and the next comment out of cp if we don't qualify will be we have enough of a strong squade to win the league, I said this in a post when Lennon left and I hope I'm so wrong, but in two or three years with out cl We will be told the money that was built up over the Lennon period has gone, the fact is if you liked lennys way of football or not he knew how to get us in to the cl league stage and made Celtic a massive amount of money, The ambitions of Lenny and my fellow tims is away higher than those at the helm of are great club , as I said before I will support Rd in all he does and pray he is a success at paradise But I can't see Celtic going forward with the board we have at cp at the moment the fact is they got rid of the best thing that happend to Celtic for years in Lenny becouse he dare ask for some of the money he made to better a team he loved as I said I hope I'm so wrong but I think I can put my passport away for the next few years , Please prove me wrong Celtic good luck for tonight bhoys hail hail

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I would have preferred NL to have made his grievances public at the time when we all knew things were going sour instead of chipping in comments now.
It may have caused a riot then, but it would have cleared the air with a few home truths from both sides.
The thought of failing domestically should be the furthest thing from our mind - however the steady decline has started to plant seeds of doubt.

The past three years were the perfect opportunity for us to extend our dominance at home with trebles or doubles a plenty and enhance our reputation in Europe even further;
but we have went backwards.

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How would starting a riot be the interest of the Celtic club .

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06 Aug 2014 14:56:04
Got told today that commons has been offered a new deal but it's less than what he's on just now so wouldn't be suprised if he goes aswel now nt that I could blame him

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A riot, Yourman is not good for the club, but neither is the absolute and utter complacency and incompetence by the Board in the past 2 years.
We have went steadily backwards, but some fans are happy to bury their heads in the sand and accept mediocrity.

JJ

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06 Aug 2014 00:26:34
Anyone know if there's any truth in the foster deal to Southampton? Ment to be all sorted for 8m if we get put out.

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Cye later Forster then.

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