Celtic Banter Archive April 05 2015

05 Apr 2015 14:56:03
Is it in the Celtic team's interest that a small number of loud mouth supporters hurl abuse from the stands at Celtic players who they take a dislike to.
Or should all Celtic players enjoy playing at home in front of their own supporters .

05 Apr 2015 15:13:39
I agree with you Chris on that one we should back the team all the way on the pitch. That is what a forum is for ripping the fish out of any one you think had a bad game lol

05 Apr 2015 18:18:41
I must be honest, I've never really heard players getting abused.
I hear moans and groans if a pass goes astray, but that will never change, fans get nervous during matches especially if it is tight.
I have never heard it becoming personal though, maybe I'm fortunate where I sit.

05 Apr 2015 19:53:46
Gerryc I am very pleased that you are so lucky that you never hear abuse . Currently Ambrose and James Forrest are the main recepitants of ridicule and abuse .

Tony2bhoy I used to think like you that ridiculing and abuse on forums wouldn't affect players performers but Virgil spoke of his disgust at what the Celtic fans posted about him when he came first. He nearly left Celtic but later on the fans on the forums started to praise him .

05 Apr 2015 19:57:29
Totally agree Gerry! And it's our rite to have a moan and groan if the standards not up to scratch! Nobody abuses any players! As this guy chris02 would know If actually went to a game!! I've asked u on more than one occasion where u sit in paradise mate and Uve still never answered me! So I'll ask u again.where is this place in paradise u sit and listen to all this so called abuse??? There's a massive difference between havin a moan and getting frustrated at things,and hurling abuse at our players!

05 Apr 2015 20:40:18
Chris, They're not children, they are professional sportsmen, they have got where they are by having skill and mental strength.
If players are so mentally fragile, that they can't take a few moans from the crowd if they don't perform, then they shouldn't be at a club the size of Celtic. In fact they shouldn't be footballers at all, because there won't be a club in world football whose fans won't criticise, if they make basic errors.
Maybe you could tell us what these fans are shouting that is so abusive, because as I said before, I haven't heard it.

05 Apr 2015 22:50:45
I'm guilty of shouting ffs Forrest or come on to f**k stoksey or f**kin shoot Kris and so on if a player makes a bad pass or takes the wrong option is that REALLY me abusing players because that is all you would hear the crowd round about me , if you think that is abuse Chris god help you if you were sitting within ear shot of me at a The rangers game or even on Friday night when Goodwin managed to foul two of our players at the same time , now that WAS abuse m8 😉

05 Apr 2015 23:11:44
Fab1 . Once again you miss my point , I think the role of supporters is to hurl abuse at opponents like what happens at Big European nights when Celtic Park becomes a fortress . It isn't the same fortress when people like those above who admit to abusing our players .

06 Apr 2015 01:10:47
Got to agree with the other posters Chris other than the type of thing I have stated , I don't hear much of this so called abuse being dished out .

06 Apr 2015 13:08:29
@Chris02 - People pay their money and have the right to show their displeasure at the players if they so wish. Whether or not you think their discontent is misplaced or detrimental is irrelevant.

06 Apr 2015 17:39:44
Gerryc you must be a well travelled man , if you can state that there are no fans in world football that don't criticise their teams .
Anything to do with world football , I will bow to your undoubted personal experience and knowledge . I never nmentioned moans and groans as that usually springs from quite a big number of fans and not individual loud-mouths . There are people above who maintain they only hear moans and groans but thank God Fab1 displays some degree of truth and honesty . I appreciate that , but if you can tell me how roaring out f. king Celtic players with a few more condemnatory or abusive words can help and assist your team to victory . There isn't that many loud- mouth abusive people within our fans , they are very much in the minority . The vast majority of our fans are decent and go to games hoping and trying to help Celtic to win . The fact that they are in the vast majority 90-95% indicates to me that the loudmouths are wrong .

Wiss67 you are a strange person . Like all of us you hide behind your user name .
You don't agree with all that I post and that is your perogrative. However I don't think everyone else has given their seat position. At Celtic Park and until everyone who uses Celtic banter does I have no intention of giving mine .

06 Apr 2015 17:51:59
@Chris02 - Have you ever heard of argumentum ad populum? Basically it is a fallacious form of argumentum which tries to claim something is true because the majority of people think it is so. Your claim above is an excellent example of the use of such a fallacious argument.

I also suspect that you just plucked that percentage out of thin air, if not could you please provide evidence of where it came from.

06 Apr 2015 18:25:52
Hahaha I'm a strange person chris02! U should open a comedy club pal!! I'm not askin any other poster to prove they'r a true celtic fan or where they sit in paradise! It's only u I don't believe! And I'm not hiding anythin mate! I sit in the north stand lower buddy! U want the seat number and section to? Then we don't have to hide behind anythin! Every poster on here as stated the difference between abuse and getting frustrated and what they hear in the section they sit in! U on the other hand have more than likely never set foot in our beloved ground! And u get u clearly base your views on what u read in the paper and on websites! I've nothin to hide mate! Think we all know who has but!

06 Apr 2015 18:52:54
Chris do you think Ronny would interact with the fans at the end of matches if these fans had been hurling abuse at the players.
I wouldn't mind betting the players get far worse abuse off the manager and coaches on the touchline than they get off the fans.
Are you seriously saying you have never gone to a match and moaned at anything ,you must be one hell of a guy, particularly as you moan enough on here

07 Apr 2015 00:18:33
Ronnie made a remark after Friday's game that could be very well aimed at the loud - mouths who have let Forrest know what they think of him when he said " what's not to be liked with Forrest ". He didn't say it about any other player but the one that Fab1 has admitted at least partial abuse and ridicule .
Weiss67 , you haven't explained , on what authority you have to single me out to give seat details . Are you going to insist that everyone gives seat details , or is it only going to be those you disagree with Gerryc , may I repeat people will moan and will say that such and such is not good or whatever . Are you seriously thinking that's what I am on about . God help us . Can I repeat again it's the loud mouth hooligan that can be heard 30/40 yards or further away . Rabmac did you get someone to post for you, I cannot understand those big words , but you suspect fairly correctly as there is only a small number of loudmouths who hurdle their abuse . 5/10% on reflection is high and based on the reaction of the posters on here , some claim they hear nothing , one claims to be involved , I cannot be too far wrong .

07 Apr 2015 08:19:52
Wow just a minute don't put word in my mouth Chris "abuse " "ridicule " muttering , come on to tuatara Forrest , when he runs the ball over the touchline for the tenth time instead of crossing it or for caiman's sake stoaksey when he has three shooting options and passes the ball backwards, is hardly either of these thing's. Hand on hart m8 I have thought like the other poster for a while now your opinions and comments don't strike me as coming from someone who visits Celtic park on a regular basis and seem to be more media driven , not that there is anything the matter with that lots of people can't get to games all the time for a lot of reasons.

07 Apr 2015 11:41:01
Chriso2 what more of an explanation do u need! I'm singling u out because u talk rubbish! And I don't believe Uve ever been to a celtic game! Uve said I hide behind my username and I've told u where I sit in paradise and I'm quite happy to tell u what seat and section if u want to pop along and listen out for this so called abuse u speak of! Or maybe I should pop up to where u supposedly sit,seems the abuse is rife in your made up section of the ground! Uve had a go at fab Gerry and rab! All guys I'm betting have been to more games than Uve had hot dinners! Like we've all said,and I'll say it again because I don't think it's sinking in with u! There's a massive difference between abuse and showing your frustration when a player or the team is not playing to the standard we expect! And wantin our team and players to play at a level the celtic Jersey and fans deserve is no bad thing! U'd know this if u we're in fact a celtic fan!

07 Apr 2015 13:39:37
I totally agree wiss 67, people who complain at matches are only showing they care about the team, there's surely nothing wrong with being passionate.
If the team are playing rubbish and I was able to sit there saying nothing, with a smile on my face, I would stop going, as to me it would mean I couldn't care less.
I repeat again, I haven't heard the crowd being abusive towards individual players, no one else on here seems to have heard it, so I don't see how the players can hear it.

07 Apr 2015 20:55:11
There is one person who hears it Gerry! lol! But we who actually go to the games know the truth bud! U hit the nail on the head.if we all sat there when the team were playin bad and players we're makin basic mistakes sayin Nothing we wouldn't be true supporters! There's nuthin wrong with wantin the best out of our team!

07 Apr 2015 23:26:28
So now we have agreement that loud mouths hurl abuse at Celtic players . One admits , another questions the % and another says that it happens in every football stadium in the world . So with that agreement , all I want to know how hurling abuse at individual players can actually help those players and build up their confidence . Most people who have been successful in football say confidence is a big thing in getting the best out of individual.players and the team .
Ronny Deila certainly thinks so.
I understand some people are loud mouths and may find it difficult to control themselves, but I for one do not think they help our players .
Just an opinion and I appreciate others may have different .

08 Apr 2015 16:31:22
Your right Chris we are all in agreement about one thing , that the closest you get to Celtic park is the tv . If you can sit and say nothing when a player that is on 10 - 20 thousand pounds a week can't cross a ball or pass a ball 15 yards to a team mate , perhaps your lacking in the passion it takes to be a true Celtic fan .

08 Apr 2015 19:26:01
Fab 1
I have been attending Celtic Park since the 1960's no doubt before some of you were born. Not that it is any of your or anyone else's business .
I won't be their tonight unfortunately , at my age and state of health it is very difficult for me to get over from Ireland for mid- week games .

05 Apr 2015 00:05:21
After watching MOTD the 1 thing that struck me was 2 "world class" keepers making basic mistakes. Now Coutois and De gea are great goalies but they still make the odd mistake because they are human. I remember well CG getting slated on here because of 1 mistake seems he is in great company.

05 Apr 2015 08:28:14
Rayman:
on the MOTD, Re Chelsea the special 1 changed his formation from 433 to 442 to create space, got the goal and changed formation back to 433. any thoughts we could do the exact same thing as teams sit in against us??

05 Apr 2015 14:51:50
The Special one may not have had to make changes to his formation if his goalie hadnt went into centre defender mould . I just don't understand why he was so far up the field , it doesn't make sense to me.

The formation of our out field players does change around during games to counteract the opposition . We don't have the same in -depth analysis from highly paid failed managers to inform us.

05 Apr 2015 16:45:46
Whats a failed manager Chris?

05 Apr 2015 19:57:19
I will give you examples Barnes , Shearer , Gudditt and so many more who had millions at their disposal in the Epl and couldn't keep their job . Sacking after having plenty to spend is my idea of been a failed manager , as is walking out before the sack .

05 Apr 2015 22:11:07
Mate to my knowledge Barnes has never managed In EPL, Shearer was only ever a temp manager and I never heard of Gudditt.

05 Apr 2015 23:38:44
Rayman , mate, if you want to be one, who ever said Barnes ever managed in the Epl? You can bea failure outside the Epl as well as within . I appologise , mate for not been able to spell a Dutch name . We didn't study Dutch in the school I went to.

I am surprised a clever man like you would have to ask what a failed manager was?

06 Apr 2015 08:06:53
Chris, is it you sold purpose to annoy nearly everyone on the site? You rarely make a valid point or contribute anything of substance.

06 Apr 2015 13:58:16
Reason I asked chris is because many managers get sacked these days, many of them have not failed. They just fall out wi the board or new owners come in or fans just fancy a change.Doesnt mean they failed. Eg would be Yogi Hughes at hibs doing a great job flying high playin good football get a few bad results and gets sacked. What happens soon afterwards? They get relegated when they were nowhere near relegation material. Didn't Del Bosque get sacked at Madrid after winning CL? Just shows how mental it is lol.

06 Apr 2015 17:49:43
Sack the board . Are you so narrow minded , that you think that just because I make points that you disagree with , that I don't have a solid point .

What type of banter forum would we have if someone made a point and then the next 6 contributions were people saying I agree .
Diversity of opinion is what makes a forum interesting .

The funny thing about the opening contribution on this thread was the exact quote from the match of the day pundit who talked about the " world class" goalkeepers .
Now anyone with a football brain in their head would know that match of the day pundits are renowned for getting carried away with their praise for everyone to do with the EPL

06 Apr 2015 18:06:08
Chris as much as I don't like the way the English go on about their league I can't help thinking if we had such players and money flying around and they had a poor league don't u think we would be sticking it to them as well.

07 Apr 2015 00:22:15
Rayman I don't understand where your post comes from . I think the EPL pundits are so far stuck up their own ar. That they don't think of Scottish or Irish people at all.

Allan Hansen , a Scot, was more English than the English themselves.