Celtic Banter Archive October 04 2015

04 Oct 2015 18:34:32
Brendan Rogers next Celtic manger what do ya think ed

{Ed007's Note - HELL (swear) NO!!}

04 Oct 2015 18:42:15
More chance of kenny Rodgers mate!

04 Oct 2015 19:10:37
The last thing Celtic want is a manager who has failed in the EPL after spending £100's millions .
Maybe Warburton to Liverpool would be better .

04 Oct 2015 21:24:19
Looks like clipetty Klop could be King of the Kop

04 Oct 2015 21:59:14
Neil Lennon for the Liverpool job?.

04 Oct 2015 23:23:30
Aye Lennons a good shout doing a Great job at Bolton

04 Oct 2015 23:25:46
John Collins?

05 Oct 2015 00:13:17
Well Lennon would probably just have done as good a job at Liverpool as Rodgers,Rodgers would have been shipped long ago if he did'nt have suarez,which begs the question ,how much has it do with players available and/or how much has it to with the managers ability?

05 Oct 2015 01:54:13
Would have Ginger, Roy, Clodagh, Kenny, Anton, Mimi and Buck - before Brendan FFS!

05 Oct 2015 15:36:05
Liverpool and Rodgers shouldn't let their top players leave . According to their fans Liverpool are a top club in the best league in the world .

05 Oct 2015 20:46:01
Aindoh and how do you work that one out?

04 Oct 2015 16:26:06
Is ther any reason why ronnie won't try 442? Got 2 be at least worth a try surely since he only has the 1 game plan?.

Any update on the cole situation ed? Is he still up here or bk in london?

HH

chris1888

04 Oct 2015 18:28:51
Yeah Chris. That's the way he wants to play, that's why he won't change!
His mind set and "philosophy" won't change and you can't judge him on that, the problem is we don't have the squad to play 4-2-3-1, he's just filling spaces with a player.

It's just a formation and not regimental, most teams use it now, so others follow suit not to be overrun in midfield.
It does my nut in playing this way in the mince league we play in 😡 we should be so much better!

On paper Brown and Bitton sit, but they don't, brown is probably deepest to help play out with the 2 Centre halfs, Bitton slightly more forward as he's the better of the 2, rotate at times, whatever but they don't play flat.

What is regimental is the pace we play at times, and 1 up!
We're not seeing what Ronny and his team think we're seeing, it's horrible at times.

I'm certainly not against the way he sets up, and it's great that it will filter down the other age groups, so if and when they can make the step up its not huge transition for the younger lads (if they get a chance)
We've not got the squad to play it properly, and that's not Ronnys fault!

04 Oct 2015 18:41:03
i think that switching between 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 will not benefit anyone in the long term. The idea is that keeping to the same formation in every game (and ideally in every age group) allows players to become comfortable no matter the opposition. However this takes time but should in the future mean that we have a clear way of playing and hopefully help the youth players transition into the 1st team.

In my opinion, the major issue with the 4-2-3-1 is that our striker and the two wide players are not good enough when its forrest, commons and griffiths as they have massive limitations. Commons is one footed and can't beat a man, although he does have a great left foot tbf. Forrest is almost the opposite, whilst he can beat a man, he is also quite 1 footed and its hard to know what's he's going to do next. And finally whilst griffiths has improved and he is a good finisher, he is quite easy to mark out a game. The three of them just don't pose enough of a threat as a force going forward together.

Personally, I prefer armstrong. He is far from the finished thing but he is actually deceptively quick, can beat a man on either side and also is a good finisher. For me, forrest needs to play RW as he offers no goal threat cutting in from the left, and commons should be battling with rogic for the central role. I have no idea what's up with johanson, if he can rediscover his form from last year then he starts every game but right now he isn't up to much.

My front 5 is

Brown Bitton
Forrest Rogic Armstrong
Griffiths

with Allan, commons, johanson and maybe nesbitt? pushing them for places. Then next year i'd look to henderson to come in there as well as I think he has massive potential and fingers crossed we find a striker with a bit of a presence up front.

04 Oct 2015 19:14:10
Rogic wasn't great today , he certainly wasn't alone , I think Rogic needs players playing well round him , for us to see Rogic at his best .

04 Oct 2015 19:29:53
Edinbouhy
Your front 5 is 6

04 Oct 2015 20:11:58
haha, so it is. meant to be a six though so hopefully you managed to understand the rambling.

04 Oct 2015 20:32:28
Edinbouhy,
No pro's,understood,I agree with no Johansson.

04 Oct 2015 22:06:12
The general consensus here is that we don't have the players to play this system yet our manager forces it upon them. What does that tell us about the manager.
Also we apparently play this system right thro the ranks in the youth. Oh how wonderful. So what if by the time the young players get thro we have a different manager who plays differently or there is a change in the way teams teams play and formations. what's the point in it. isn't it better just to coach young players to become just good footballers.

04 Oct 2015 22:15:53
But that's the idiocy of playing a system that you don't have the players to play it,(allegedly),you play players in unfamiliar positions with unfamiliar resposibilities and then you blame the players for not performing,why does'nt the manager start managing and change the system to suit the players rather than changing the players (as if they were automatons) to suit the system,hey we're all humans (allegedly).

04 Oct 2015 22:30:59
rayman. there is no evidence to say that these players are more suited to a 4-4-2 though? I would prefer sticking to his plan, and if it means sacrificing a little just now to benefit in the future then so be it. Are you suggesting that by implementing a 4-2-3-1 in the youth teams instead of one decided by the individual youth team managers that the players will spend less time learning to play the game?

04 Oct 2015 23:10:40
@Edinbhoy, I never said a 442 but there other optons available. In football u need to be able to adapt to different situations and opposition. Its clear our manager fails to do this.
If u teach this system in the youths constantly and as I sad when they get there and we playing differently what's the point and they won't be used to new system. If you just coach good players well good players can play anywhere.

05 Oct 2015 00:13:40
its clear you don't like him, sticking to his chosen way of playing isn't necessarily a failure.

I also would question your opinion that good players can play anywhere. there are some positions that are easily interchangeable, and some players that are naturally suited to more than one role but a player who focuses on the skills required to be a success in his chosen position will likely progress further than a team full of utility players

05 Oct 2015 01:07:32
sticking strickly to a chosen way of playing when it is obviouslsy not working,is not a failure?,it is a failure,good players can play anywhere that they can play good,but they can't play anywhere,am sure when Ronnie gets the hang of being a manager,he will understand what he has to do

05 Oct 2015 15:40:37
The problem most people have , is that they try out different systems in football management and then decide which system they prefer .

04 Oct 2015 14:27:08
Three points but that was abysmal.Ronnys fist pumping is getting embarrassing after performances like that

04 Oct 2015 14:59:05
We have played games this season where we have played much better and not won (and people like yourself would moan). I'm happy with the fact we played poorly and won. Something we don't do so often. How about you enjoy your Sunday knowing we're almost back on top and have won against a team who are unbeaten in 7 at home. Go on. try to be happy about a win. You might like the feeling. I bet that's why Ronny was roaring too, he knows its a good thing to play poorly and create was than usual but get a win!

04 Oct 2015 15:39:51
C'mon stevie. There's nothing wrong with celebrating a win. The guy can't do anything right with some people can he.

04 Oct 2015 15:44:25
Yes we played poorly and won and admittedly it's better than playing poorly and not winning , the two words that keep getting repeated here are playing poorly. Its people like you who have accepted us playing poorly week in week out.This type of performance is the norm for our club nowadays and if you're happy with that god help us.

04 Oct 2015 15:52:23
My point is leave the fist pumping to when we beat a worthy opponent or qualify for CL

04 Oct 2015 16:16:09
If we shouldn't bother about celebrating a win against a poor team, then perhaps it's people like you who would accept a draw. Obviously some people just like moaning.

04 Oct 2015 16:22:58
Boys I am not a Ronnie fan at all, however I will take the points either in SPL or in Europe all day long. We need to get back to consistently winning matches. Not 3 wins then a draw then 2 more wins and a defeat etc. let's get back to winning week in week out then maybe the performances will come as the belief grows. I really hope so because apart from the points there is not much else to hold onto but glad we at least won!

04 Oct 2015 17:04:27
Don't know about anyone else but I was fist pumping after the game 3 points all that matters imo

04 Oct 2015 18:11:50
it was not our finest performance by a long way but a win is a win RDs fist pumping is what the fans look for at the end of any game we win noting wrong with keeping in touch with the fans If any one dose not like it they could leave right at the end before he dose it

04 Oct 2015 18:16:49
Na I've got to agree with Stevie here! 3 points against Hamilton is a minimum! And running about fist pumping after scraping by them with what for me was a poor performance doesn't sit well with me! Stevies spot on for me! Let's celebrate when we actually manage to win a game of significance! I look back on ronnies time with us and for me there isn't a game of signifacance that we've won! Yes there's been the odd good performance but we've yet to win a game that really means something! And I include sevco in that! Legia Maribor Malmo Are the 3 biggest games of his time here and we've failed in every one of them! So Ronnie should save his celebrations for a game that actually warrants a celebration! All he's doing is playing up to the fans! I know this sounds like a bit of a moan for nothing but just how I feel! We're Celtic,and if running about after scraping by the accies is what Ronnie thinks the fans want to see then I worry for the guy!

04 Oct 2015 18:54:01
Hows about you just celebrate when you like, and leave others do do so when they feel like it then? Killjoy much?The bhoys in the away end looked happy enough and RD just wanted to be part of it. Some of the stabs really are just getting a wee bit pathetic. He was criticised midweek for playing a certain individual, drops him. But now the guy can't celebrate when he wants ffs.

04 Oct 2015 18:54:28
How about we look at how the other teams did that played thursday night? Spurs drew today. Liverpool drew today. Ajax beaten. Dortmund beaten. Monaco drew and lazio currently winning. Fiorentina still to play. Performance not vintage but 3 points is 3 points

04 Oct 2015 19:19:12
I pity Deila , he has to become a robot and not demonstrate any emotions . Every game is important and every win should be celebrated . When our away fans ignore him Ronnie will know then to stop fist pumping. Or should the forums decide .

04 Oct 2015 19:30:20
Jim Tim hows about I can say what I want and so can you! How would that be? I'm making the point that maybe he should leave the celebrating til he actually wins a game of any magnitude! Not jumping about after scraping by Hamilton! Yes the 3 points were welcome but the performance was garbage! Nothing to do with being a kill joy pal! It's to do with not settling for mediocrity! Get the 3 points and move on to the next game! Yes if it's worth celebrating then do it! But for me that means winning a meaningful game in Europe or beating a decent sevco side! There's a reason he hasn't done it in Europe mate! Because he ain't won one of any note! So like I said u let other people air there views and u stick to worrying about urs!

04 Oct 2015 20:19:55
That's absolutely fine. The 'I'm entitled to my opinion' line goes without saying. If RD can't celebrate after a game without criticism then god help him.

04 Oct 2015 20:38:15
Most of the ones on here that enjoy ronnys fist pump were the ones that would have lynched NL for daring to be passionate.For being celtic minded, even thou he was a decent manager.

04 Oct 2015 20:41:44
Celtic minded though? Please explain what exactly being celtic minded is TTTS because I keep hearing and seeing it yet for the life of me do not know what on earth it is.

04 Oct 2015 22:01:21
Jim Tim being Celtic minded is realising the size of our club and worldwide fan base ,understanding that no team on earth should come to Celtic Park expecting to win. Being Celtic minded doesn't involve patronising our fans with fist pumps after beating Hamilton Accies

04 Oct 2015 22:31:57
I would say it was quite a significant result considering the fact Aberdeen lost yesterday and we won a tricky away tie.
Christ, imagine we lost today. lighten up

04 Oct 2015 23:04:05
Why should any Celtic fan be bothered what Aberdeen do? The only reason for that is we have been dragged down to that level by accepting mediocrity. I would go as far as to say any Celtic fan could pick a team week in week out and win the SPL

04 Oct 2015 23:15:35
But Ronny's fist pumping is'nt just celebratory,it's an ego thing to get a reaction from the fans ,not so much to show how good the team is but how good a manager he is.

05 Oct 2015 00:57:28
Would have to disagree aindoh.dont think its an ego thing with Ronnie at all.as I've said before he seems like a really good guy who genuinely wants to do well! I feel the whole fist pumping thing is his way of tryin to connect with the fans! Which I have no problem with at all! But there's a time and a place for these things! And after scraping by accies ain't it! To me it just looks silly and a sign of somebody feeling the heat and thinkin if he plays up to the fans they'll cut him some slack! I'd like to see him just win these games and move on! Leave the celebrating for the big games! And if I was him and his back room staff I would save all my energy for trying to fix that shambles of a defence! Boyata Blackett and ambrose! Now there's 3 defenders,and I use that term loosely! Who any striker would fancy playing against! I cannot believe boyata and Blackett have actually been in the 2 Manchester clubs 1st teams! For me Ronnie needs decent coaches in beside him if he's going to make a go of this job! Because Collins and Kennedy just won't cut! Especially Kennedy.just doesn't sit right with me the influence he's got on the team! And the performance of the defence,if he's organising them must set off alarm bells! Sorry for the rant lol!

05 Oct 2015 15:50:08
I would feel sorry for Deila if what some fans post is typical of how our fans feels .
Deila delights our travelling fans by going over to them fist thumping . It might annoy some of the home fans watching on TV ( those at match have either gone home or are concentrating on exits ) and it also seems to annoy some Celtic supporters who were watching on TV also .
Our away fans love it and it sends them off even happier . Didn't Jock Stein say football was nothing without fans . I don't think he meant fans listening on radio or watching on TV or laptops . Our supporters at the match won't be long in letting Deila know when to stop it .

06 Oct 2015 08:59:02
Old bhoy once again one load of garbage spouted! So when jock stein was talking about the fans is was only the ones who go to a game! Utter pish as usual! Some fans have other comitments and may no be able to afford tickets! Does that mean theyr less of a fan or there opinion doesn't count! U really do talk garbage pal!

04 Oct 2015 13:19:02
Typical inconsistency, Janko gets manhandled to the ground, no free kick. Rogic puts a hand on a HA players chest and the whistle goes. 30 seconds apart.

04 Oct 2015 13:45:09
Not making excuses as we are pretty awful all over the pitch (Griffiths apart), but this referee has a history with us.
Then again how many of them don't ha ha.

05 Oct 2015 15:54:10
The referee approach to allowing Hamilton to stampede and wrestle their way past us on a specially prepared pitch , put us at a disadvantage and thank God we did enough to win . Every league is won by some games won ugly and yesterday was one .
We played superbly against Hearts and didn't win

04 Oct 2015 13:05:36
Good to see Boyata bullying his opposing defender at the corner to score and as I'm typing, Griffiths scores. Coybig.

05 Oct 2015 15:57:49
Rglen8 Remember the reason Efe wasn't playing yesterday was by saving us two points after a Boyata mistake , Efe got sent off .
I am not denying Efe made a howler on Thursday , but he does do good things for us too and wins us points .

04 Oct 2015 12:30:59
Evening of sport and maybe a wee pint Celtic and the egg Chasing Irish. 😀

04 Oct 2015 08:43:36
WARNING. a Timalloy horse tip.
Today over in France there are some huge races in the Prix de L'Arc de Triomphe 2.55 I am on Golden Horn (Frankie Dettori rides) and to keep the "gold" theme going in the 3.40 I fancy Goldream at 15/2, as both races pay 4 places play safe and go each way.

04 Oct 2015 10:39:33
I fancy Golden horn too I can't believe its odds really! Even done a Golden Horn/Treve 1, 2 :) Good luck

04 Oct 2015 15:05:21
Timalloy good shout. Had a little pick up on golden horn. Cheers buddy

04 Oct 2015 15:59:09
Good tipping Tim. Wished I'd have followed you

04 Oct 2015 17:45:04
Stuck a fiver each way on both and a few quid on the double. Cheers Tim!

04 Oct 2015 00:38:54
Interested in everyone's opinion here . We are second in league, no doubt we'll win it. We lose over 2 legs to Malmö yet draw 2 games in Europa league I'm sure everyone would agree with teams better than Malmö. You look at the epl and see their teams struggling then Southampton beat Chelsea 3 1 who By the way couldn't get through to Europa league groups. This is by far not the greatestceltic team but is football in general dropping standards. Strange world out there at minute . Can't get my head round it. Take Bayern , Madrid and maybe barca ( they lost tonight ) is football standards possibly dropping

04 Oct 2015 08:31:36
I'd agree with you. The game has definitely changed over the last 15-20 years becoming more fitness based, athletic and tactics orientated. There is less space in the game for technically gifted players unless they are athletes. Hazard is a prime example at chelsea when jose wouldn't play him as he wasn't good enough defensively. Robben has changed his game massively and is more fitness based.
The term "world class" is thrown about like confetti and honestly who could be considered world class bar messi and ronaldo and possibly ibrahimovic and aguero. When I say world class who could walk onto any team in the world.
Look at the quality United had when they won champs league in 99. France team of 98. Brazil with Ronaldo Rivaldo and Ronaldinho. Would Ronaldinho survive in the game now as he wasn't the best trainer/athlete but is one the most entertaining players i've ever seen.

04 Oct 2015 09:26:48
The game has sold its soul to cash -
The money and pressures of relegation, bonuses, jobs loss etc. have encouraged players and managers to do WHATEVER it takes to get results (dive, antagonise, insult,physically abuse - basically cheat)
Players are overpaid and actually belive the msm,
Sponsors dictating when games are to be played and too much control (agree or not but it should not be McDonalds and Coaca Cola telling Blatter to p*ss off, it should be football people/
Referees either of a poor standard or, dare I say it? Cheating? (when was the last time you heard a football ref explain his decision?)And while on that subject - what about players crowding the ref.Captain only should be allowed to at leat put his teams point across.
Football authorities too blinkered (or again, dare I say it? Cheating) to allow the use of technology which is used very successfully in other sports.
Chapions League (there is a joke title) full of teams which have come second/thisrd or fourth in their respective leagues (again money orientated) While ACTUAL League Champions have to play 2/3/ qualifying games.
Fans getting sick of (all of the above) archaic authorities and greedy/incompetent boards.
Players who concentrate on winding up oppositions players and/or dive and again that word CHEAT.
Fans using hard earned cash to attend sports which have not totally sold control to the sponsors (yes, like it or not, we do need their investment)and also DO allow the use of sensible technology.
As for fitness - sick of hearing managers/players/experts rabbiting on about the players being tired after that midweek game. FFS, its their ONLY job of work. T
I am also sick of listening to so called experts in msm coming on and explaining how the manager and players failed/suceeded etc. (I love watching the highlights so I have to put up with them or use the alternative of not buying, switching off etc - so my choice)
All that said, I love the game but I am becoming more disillusioned because of the reasons above.

Just my own personal feelings and thoughts

{Ed001's Note - that is without getting into the drug cheats and match fixing issues being swept under the carpet to avoid damaging the game's rep and losing the sponsors.}

04 Oct 2015 09:32:21
Was working on a post reply but it went before I finished.
Anyway,
Fitness - These guys should try working two weeks away, 12 hours a day for the 14 days on a fecking oil rig in North Sea for nowhere near the money some of them are making.
They play an away game in midweek and on Sat/Sun we hear managers/players and 'experts' rattling on about players being tired FFS its their job of work. I have never been a professional player so maybe some of you on here can tell me how hard the players work when they are not actually playing a league or cup game. I may have the wrong end of the stick on this one.

{Ed001's Note - you don't have the wrong end of the stick, they should look at tennis players, who will play 5-6 hours of tennis a day almost every day or many other individual sports of a similar type. They are not living like professional athletes, then moaning they are tired. Spurs train twice a day and, yes they looked tired last season, but this season, as the players grow used to it, the benefits are becoming clear. The players look fitter and stronger and fresher, despite doing more.}

04 Oct 2015 09:37:34
Bobbygal I don't think teams like Southampton or indeed any of the EPL teams actually want to play in Europa League! You can see that they don't put out their best team. Its about money. A run in Europa normally means a drop in places in EPL. Look at Everton last season. If you consider that finishing 6th in EPL gives the team something like £60mill and a drop to 12th gives you something like £30 mill then financially it's better to move up even 2 places in EPL. I think there is more money in the Europa this season but maybe the teams from the bigger leagues just find it a distraction? Only a thought.

{Ed001's Note - the English teams lose money playing in the Europa League.}

04 Oct 2015 12:08:04
Ed if they lose money playing in Europa then that says it all. What is the point in playing? I knew there was something strange about it as I think it was West Ham that qualified under fair play awards and they didn't want to take up the qualifying place.

{Ed001's Note - for me the point is to win trophies and not money. Winning trophies brings fans and sponsorship and future revenue.}