Celtic Banter Archive October 04 2014

 

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04 Oct 2014 21:44:12
Given that a lot of posters have stated there concerns over the Ronny Deila start to the season, I just thought I would check on the previous 10 years figures after 10 games. ( Domestic only ) Bearing in mind we have 3 league games still to play and PROVIDING we beat Hamilton ( H ), Ross County and Kilmarnock ( H ) then the start is in line with the majority of previous campaigns.
Given how poor we have played, when things finally click I am quietly confident we can finally have that domestic domination we all seek and hopefully a good European run to get the experience needed for next year’s qualifiers.
Martin O’Neill’s last season
2004/05 – After 10 games – 9 wins, 1 draw
Gordon Strachan Years
2005/06 – After 10 games – 7 wins, 2 draws & 1 defeat ( away to Rangers )
2006/07 – After 10 games – 8 wins, 1 draw & 1 defeat ( away to Hearts )
2007/08 – After 10 games – 7 wins, 1 draw & 2 defeats ( away to Hibernian & Rangers )
2008/09 – After 10 games – 8 wins, 1 draw & 1 defeat ( home to Rangers )
Tony Mowbray
2009/10 – After 10 games – 7 wins, 2 draws & 1 defeats ( away to Rangers )
Neil Lennon Years
2010/11 – After 10 games – 9 wins & 1 draw
2011/12 – After 10 games – 6 wins, 1 draw & 3 defeats ( home defeat by St Johnstone & away to Rangers & Hearts )
2012/13 – After 10 games – 6 wins, 2 draws & 2 defeats ( away to St Johnstone then home to Kilmarnock )
2013/14 – After 10 games – 8 wins & 2 draws

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Kev its also very important to note that each of the previous managers inheritated a far stronger squad than Delia.

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05 Oct 2014 07:38:43
Is this the team last season who won the league by 29 points, went on unbeaten run, we're in CL, Dn30 is this u having a go @ lennon again without naming him this time.If that's wot u call inheriting a bad team, Wise up

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I'm not sure GS inherited a great squad from Mon. Were the Seville squad not pretty much retiring and leaving at that stage?

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You can compare statistics and make a variety of comparisons with previous managers, but the football we are playing at the moment and the calibre of player is well short of the standard that we expect and enjoy at Celtic.

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Aye dabhoy CL everyone is talking about, we really impressed there didn't we? Aye it is that squad and IT WAS a weaker side compared to last season including injuries!

See if I want to have a pop at lennons poor management I will! Also to note he was that great a manager he is still out of the game eh?

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05 Oct 2014 15:40:39
KevT what do the stats say now after the Hamilton result?

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Surprisingly Johnny if he wins the next 2 then there ain't much difference compared to previous years. This performance would have been ok if only we knew how to score goals. Our set piece ability is amateurish at best. Think Commons and Johannson need dropped for our next game but who replaces them?. If I were paying for this I would be fuming, matter of fact I am fuming so god knows how the paying customer feels. Fans need to demonstrate that this nonsense will not be accepted and stay away. Our team doesn't perform regardless of numbers supporting and we need to revisit our playing budget. I can't imagine that we are any worse off when compared to MON first season spending spree given the sales over the last few years

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05 Oct 2014 20:38:07
Kev looking at your stats which are interesting, we have won 4 games, out of 8 so far, 2 losses and 2 draws. So if we win the next 2 we are on a par with results in 2011/12 and 2012/13 which is surprising. We do however need to win both games or it is (looking at your stats) the worst start for at least 10 years. Interesting stuff Kev, good post.

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Stupid statement DN there ate lots of good managers not in a job. What about Magath(your favourite) is he suddenly a bad manager now. I would rather be in the CL losing than not be in it wudnt you?

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04 Oct 2014 20:17:03
Hi ed can u or anyone post our turnover for the last 15 years. my dad thinks our turnover use to be over 100m mark when we had larsson and co. but I think our record was 75 the year Neil lennon got us to last 16

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{Ed007's Note - Sorry bud I'm using my tablet tonight and don't have anything like that available.}

05 Oct 2014 12:41:09
I have got it until 2009 if that will help Belfast celt


Turnover and pre-tax profit figures are for the plc and are measured in millions.

Financial Overview


Year

Turnover

Pre-tax profit

Wages / Turnover ratio (%)

Employees


2007/08

72.953

4.453

53.4

500


2006/07

75.237

15.040

48.4

496


2005/06

57.411

-4.222

56.6

489


2004/05

62.168

-7.733

60.2

453


2003/04

69.020

-7.471

58.7

493


2002/03

60.569

-5.794

54.6

418


2001/02

56.892

-2.974

57.6

392


2000/01

42.007

-11.190

61.7

381


1999/00

38.579

-5.985

52.3

444

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For season end 2013
Financial Highlights
• Revenue decreased by 11% to £44.8m (2012: £50.1m).
• Operating expenses decreased by 7% to £34.3m (2012: £37.0m).
• Profit from trading before asset transaction and exceptional operating expenses of £10.5m (2012: £13.1m).
• Exceptional costs of £2.3m (2012: nil).
• Profit on disposal of intangible assets £16.5m (2012: £5.2m).
• Profit before taxation of £21.3m (2012:£ 14.9m).
• Period end net cash at bank of £5.7m (2012: £0.1m net bank debt).
• Investment in football personnel of £5.0m (2012: £4.7m).
• 16 home fixtures (2012: 19).

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04 Oct 2014 10:13:02
I know this is not the right place to post this but I think all celtic fans would like to send their condolences to the family of Alan henning

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It must be awful for all the families of all these hostages, seeing their loved ones slaughtered in this brutal way,

Whatever the rights and wrongs of any cause, there can be no justification for such savagery,

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05 Oct 2014 08:09:35
Shocking indeed and no less a murder than school children or wedding parties blew apart by drones.

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04 Oct 2014 09:12:34
I would just like your thoughts on Gordon! In my eyes if Forster went for round abt 10 mil then Gordon wld be worth 15! The guy is a fantastic keeper and miles better than Forster! Thoughts? Bigc79

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04 Oct 2014 13:02:42
Bibc79. I agree that Gordon is a better keeper. Know Ed thinks otherwise but I can't buy into Ed's assessment of him? Sorry Ed. Foster never came out of his 6 yard box in fact he hardly came off his line so he never was able to take the pressure off the defence. He was a very good shot stopper but getting £10mill from him was a result! He was only 22 or 23, and as he was an English player he had more value down South because of the quota system. That's one reason English players are over valued! We won't get anything near 15mill for Gordon even if as you have said and I agree with you, he is a better keeper. I actually can't see an English prem team coming for him at the end of this season which I am delighted about. If he was being seen in CL mode it may be different but if we do get CL football next year he will be knocking on 33. Not too old for a keeper but his value is then lower as no sell on? Let's get him signed up on a 3 year deal as I agree with you he is a top keeper.

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Gordon is a good keeper and the fact he was a free transfer makes it all the sweeter that he is performing well. I had my reserves about him signing due to injury history and really would have liked another keeper brought in to push for no1 jersey as it's clear Zaluska will only ever be a number 2 in the hoops. I still think the Scottish media are a bit over hyped about Gordon's performances, maybe the comeback from injury makes it a better story to tell. I think Gordon will get better with each game, and if he goes a full season injury free, confidence will be back and we will have an international class keeper next season. Can anyone suggest a better keeper we could have signed this summer?

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Personally if he stays clear of injury then he has to be 1 of the best in Britain! Can't be a lot of better keepers in Britain than him

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Sorry CW-88, are you actually asking if anybody can suggest a better keeper we could have signed than Craig Gordon?

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05 Oct 2014 08:52:30
Really surprised how well Gordons played this season so far,nice piece of business, plus the zombies think there club helped get him fit then he signed for us. Cheers bhoys

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04 Oct 2014 08:40:08
I can't understand why any Celtic fan wouldn't want their players performing at the absolute maximum. Proper diet is just one of many things involved in achieving that. As it is one of the big changes the new manager is implementing then why shouldn't we be discussing it on a Celtic forum? These players are supposed athletes and are paid thousands of pounds a week to perform at there best for us the paying public. They should already have the diets of athletes and if they haven't then the manager is right to introduce it into there training, and if they don't play ball then go and find another club. That's my humble opinion. I see big john Hartson in his column today getting in on the act, he says he needed the extra weight just like gazza did to hold of players and would scoff curry and chips and lager a couple of days before a game. Firstly at what age did both those guys retire from top level football when they could possible have had many more seasons ahead at that level. And second if the her haw excuse that they required to be fat to hold of players were true would he not have been better ditching the flab and curries and taking in a healthy diet and weight regime so that the strenght he talks about was in the form of real strenght ie muscle rather than fat! Can't believe he can come out with that stuff as an excuse for being so out of shape during his career and use Gazza of all people as an example of how correct he is lol. Markiebhoy

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Lol! I haven't read the article, but if what you say is true then what a load of nonsense from big JH.

I agree with the points you have made Markiebhoy.

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I think that most of the players if not all have accepted the diet part of the new regime . I just wonder is his working the players hard in training, in weeks that they have 3 games in 7/8 days causing a problem and maybe the reason he was talking last week about the players been leggy . I imagine it's a fine line between working the players hard and over doing it .

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04 Oct 2014 07:04:06
Are Celtic fans showing a lack of understanding of modern football by not backing Deila's regime?

Is this question supposed to be funny or some kind of put down?

We comment on concerns we have about recent results and the style of play and its a lack of understanding of the modern game - I do despair.

Again, diet is not the only issue needed in modern or non modern football and this has been the point that has been getting ignored all week in this debate.

Do we really believe that by soley changing the diet regime at Celtic they are going to be competing with Real Madrid. In the 5/6 years Ronny was at Stromsgodset - who was he competing with? I'm not taking away his achievment of getting his team to be league Champions but they were still not competing at the higher level where Celtic want to consistently be and for that we need investment, amongst other things. We were in the last 16 of the Champions League 2 seasons ago for goodness sake and I never heard anyone say the reason we were not last season was down to diet - the sale of players definitely.

I understand modern football just fine cheers and its a lot more to do with money.

Anyway just because we hear of 'modern' methods does not make them successful or right so if I want to question them, I will!

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Mrs E, as far as I understand it its about fitness and ability. The players in the managers opinion, could be fitter. Nothing wrong with that. What you put into your body will affect your ability to train and ultimately perform.

The Zagreb game showed that our problems lie in our technical ability as well as fitness. It was good that we ground out a win (thats three in a row now - with two clean sheets), but our inability to keep hold of the ball against decent european teams who use a pressing game has been evident for years. To change this at Celtic will take years.

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I'll tell you what else annoys me no end about the 'modern game', the lifestyles of fooballers!

When you look back at the Lisbon Lions compared to today, very irritating.

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04 Oct 2014 13:20:32
MrsE once again I totally agree with your post regarding modern football. I am sure every up and coming coach has looked at the various concepts but if it was as easy as just changing to the new style and everything would be fine then everyone would do it. You need certain players to play the RD way. Firstly you need to be able to super fit and all of our players need to get as fit as possible. No one is saying otherwise. Secondly we need to be able to keep the ball. That means being able to pass the ball to an opponent and being able to control the ball that us passed to you. I don't know if we have 10 outfield players who can do that in the heat of a game? If not then the players better be super super fit because they are going to be chasing the ball an awful lot. So as MrsE says, no argument about modern football but can RD successfully imminent this at Celtic? You do need good players to make this work and I will get my tin hat on for the assault that may be coming my way, but I thought that over the entire 90 minutes we were no better than average on Thursday evening.

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I'm not sure if there's something wrong but a couple of my posts have went amissing this week?

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{Ed007's Note - Everything seems OK at this end.}

I'll give it another go

Bankie this has been my point all week and now we are been asked about our understanding of the modern game?

These are 2 quote from Jock Stein

'There is no excuse for a professional footballer not to be 100% fit'

'We send Murdoch down to the health farm at Tring to lose some weight and the main result is that we are polluted with bad tips from the wee jockeys he meets there.'

This being fit is not modern or new.

Since I've been on God's earth I've seen advancements with medicine and technology etc, sport is taking full advantange of this which I have absolutely no problem with at all. They've learned more about the human body and diet, jeezo we all hear about the latest Hollywood diet that's a miracle and comes from a 'modern doctor' only to hear within a year of the risks associated with the new latest diet. Maybe this is a Woman thing but its where my cyncial attitude towards the mention of modern diet comes from.

I have no problem at all with Ronny wanting a fit sqaud infact I welcome it and was embarrassed by Neil Lennon's comments on diet the other day, but there are other areas he also address and this has nothing to do with a misunderstanding of the modern game. Usain Bolt - why is he not playing centre forward if diet and fitness are all that's required in football.

If Ronny was getting results would we be having this conversation - No

Just looking at the stats from the 2011 Champions League Final - Manchester United had 37% possession and we all know they hardly got out of their own half, was this down to diet?

I just hope we all see Ronny's vision for the team and Club coming together soon.

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{Ed007's Note - That was probably better off staying lost in cyberspace.}

Mrs E - The Lisbon Lions were a great team, however in this era they would not stand a chance in a Top Tier game of football.

Why? Its simple ability will only get you so far. Ability and Fitness will get you so much further.

I could imagine if the Lisbon Lions played the current Euro Champs Real Madrid, that the Lions would get absolutely mauled. And the difference between now and then is simple - Fitness Levels & Diet.

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Think RD would be better being a tyrant on the training ground and make sure the players concentrate on passing and close control and all the other things that make a good player better and being an adviser on the diet side, telling the players the good and bad effects of certain foods, rather than being the other way round.
How long do Celtic players train every day?, was interesting listening to robbie neilsen talking about the time the team trains evrey day, and comparing it with that young rangers guy last year who got into trouble with the bears cause he tweeted that was him finished for the day at 12 o'clock and he was away playing pool or something.

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Kev appreciate what your saying but it wasn't really my point, it was more to do with the moeny involved in modern football and the difference between a footballers considerably more humble lifestyle in 1967 compared to today.

Anyway, how do you know Jock Stein would not have been your modern day Manager and whipped their ass into shape? I did provide a few of his quotes where it shows fitness was important to him.

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You never know what it would be like, back in the 60's it wasn't really known what was good for you and the effects on the body.

In relation to the money, its shambolic that the stars of the past are living a bog standard life and today's footy players are living like kings

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Jock stein was a very modern manager of his day, implementing diet & different training methods

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Mr Stein was deemed to be a very modern manager, he was one of the first of his day to send his players out with a bag of balls, and trained the players through using ball work . Naturally he didn't have the latest equipment which the players wear during training and the technicians can see if the players have pushed themselves up towards their limit . Teams need a different type of fitness to complete at the top nowadays . Consistent hard running and making the right decision is more of a feature now, than in 1967 when individual expertise and flashes of excellence done at speed were more of a feature .

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