Celtic Banter Archive January 04 2015

 

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04 Jan 2015 23:12:11
How important is this transfer window to RD? If he was the boards first choice, then they must back him, as the lack of quality is apparent to all and none of the usual, tired old excuses will do. If the board do not back him, does this give credence to the opinion that he was just the cheap option and the club will continue to go backwards? If the latter is the case then RD is being hung out to dry as he will be seen as a yes man. I hope RD can succeed, but without backing he probably would be doomed to failure. All fans would then have to wonder what the board have planned for this clubs future.

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I dislike the January window as there are very few great options available and most of them are cup-tied in Europe.
We have had a fairly poor record in January transfers and I worry that we let players go at the sniff of cash and leave ourselves even worse off?

I am also unsure about who is pulling the strings as far as transfers go.

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Never mind RD being hung out to dry. What about the millions of celtic fans? It's them getting pissed all over by a penny pinching board that bothers me. If it all comes crashing down RD will go home to a job in Norway and move on, we will be left to deal with the demise of our club. Markie

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Said as much Saturday Markie Fkin spot on HH (y)

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I think this window is really important for RD the system he wants to play its clear to all we don't have the players to play it so in my opinion if he dose not get the backing of the board for the players he wants to bring in then I can't see Celtic or RD progressing this year I don't care if he brings in players costing £100,000 or 5 mil as long as they improve the team and I also think we need at least 3 or maybe as much as 5 new first team players in to do that. can't see us having all the first team players we have just now in the squad being here in February sorry for the long winded note just my opinion .

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04 Jan 2015 21:49:15
After watching Aberdeen closely today and completely dominant I genuinely, for the first time, feel we are in a proper title race. They don't look like a team who are going to drop many points in my opinion. They comprehensively beat Dundee Utd the week before us a Tannadice 2-0 and they beat us. Also, I see many people continually go on about signing Armstrong but does anyone else agree with me that Pawlett of Aberdeen is a better player. Just over a year older so plently of improvement in him as well. Anyone, let's see how our team respond to this tomorrow. I think this will tell us a lot about them and if they are going to push on and win this league

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I think we might have to be satisfied with a draw on the artifical pitch tomorrow night . I have no doubt Killie will have the sprinkler's on before and at the interval to make the surface even more treacherous than normal.
This doesn't mean that I have any worries about us winning the league . Really at the end of the day there are very few if any Aberdeen players who would be automatic choices for us .
We will run out easy winners in the end.

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04 Jan 2015 23:46:35
Chris I've no idea how old you are but I'm guessing the 02 is the year you were born, but if you think a draw tomorrow is acceptable it shows the mediocrity you are willing to accept. If Ronny fails to win the title this year it will go down as the most shameful season in our clubs history .You do realise this?

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Hello Chris, I think we will win tomorrow night like you I have concerns about the surface and also agree with a previous point you raised it is out of order that we never got pre-access to it

But you see I have a fear that if the league stays tight for a long spell that the "powers at be" will ensure that we do not get our fair share of decisions Like the penalty given to Hearts in the semi final near the end of the game where the ball struck our defender at close range and they got a "dubious" penalty but we NEVER got a similar one, or the League cuo final where Stokes was denied a last minute stonewall penalty!

A hope with these "referral" points I have shown unequivocally the reasons for my doubts! a further guess that rules any chance of mebeing "anti-celtic" and makes me just another "paranoid tim"?

ATVB JB7

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I agree, a poster further down said Aberdeen will drop points, maybe true, but who can honestly say celtic won't drop points either.
It's unthinkable celtic not winning the league this year, a league without hibs or hearts

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A league without the 2 pish teams that couldn't hack it in the top league.

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For the first time in a while, the media, pundits and opponents can smell blood and the fans have doubts.
The blame for this lies solely with the board for their stupid complacency - basking in the absence of Rangers - while repeatedly selling our top players and employing two cheap option managers in quick succession who were ill equipped.
The trophy haul since 2012 doesn't lie and current stop/start season with few memorable moments to date are proof of the mess we are in.
I sincerely hope RD succeeds and I know we are still in 4 tournaments, but the manager (and some of these players) are unknown quantities under pressure and when things have gone pear shaped so far this season - the reaction has been unconvincing.
January will answer a lot of questions, hopefully with the right answers for all our sakes.

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Hibs and hearts being here would not make things harder, they would if anything give Aberdeen more of a game than us.

We need to always be aiming for three points, that is clear enough for me. I don't think Killie will be a problem. Let's
Hope for a good performance and a couple of signings this month. Would like to see defensive mid brought in and a centre half who will put himself about

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@JungleJim youve hit nail on the head with analysis.

Asks a big question, is Peter Lawwell actually the right man to be CEO? Cause I dont.

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Aberdeen may be top but we have beaten them twice already this year.

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Junglejim the first part of your post is spot on the media pundits and opponents are desperate for a title race for differing reasons but it does add some spice and its healthy to have competition. But I for one welcome the challenge and don't doubt that Celtic will win the race for the title. As far as selling top players is concerned the club can't keep players that want to move on and its unfair to blame the board for them leaving as they have made sure the club was well compensated for their loss.yes some of the players are unknown quantities when under pressure but the same can be said of Aberdeen and Dundee utd.As you say we're still in four competitions so its not all gloom and doom and like you I'm hoping for a more convincing second half to the season with not only the league but a win in at least one other cups. keep the faith.

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Time will tell gerrym8, but we have failed to replace quality with similar standard and we have stopped producing a McGeady or Kennedy through the 'academy' and our squad is limited and hampered with injury prone players.
OK, the players we have should still be able to win the league and cup(s), but only if they cut out the silly mistakes, start taking their chances and play well, consistently for a sustained period - starting tonight.

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What the hell is this nonsense about a league without Hibs or Hearts . There are very good reasons why Hibs and Hearts are not in the premier league . Hibs were simply not good enough on the playing pitch . Hearts had spent above their ability to pay and were punished. and rightly so for going into administration . So purely and simply neither deserve to be in the SpL and are replaced by as good or better .
Some people seem to have adopted the old Rangers motto " we deserve better"
I think we will get what we earn, although I would naturally like a win tonight, I can see that a very difficult task . Naturally if Deila can get most of the team to perform well we will win . In any case we will have four in a row by May.

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Dan 30
What would you expect any new CEO replacing Peter Lawwell to do different which would benefit the Club .

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04 Jan 2015 20:04:54
Happy New yr all.I am not a regular poster on the Forum, but a daily reader, and I really appreciate the feeling and depth of thought that goes into people putting(pen to paper) on here, but, and after that there always has to be a But, a lot of post, I feel a of another age, Loyality to the Club is everything, the priniciple of "Celtic till I Die" should exist within all of us, But when then people directing our Club have no inclination of what that means and make me cringe when We are starting with second/third rate players and a Mgt team that are now quite obviously the "Gofers" of the Board and reproducers of a line "Progress" We are in a terrible state of Regression, our reputation throughout the Football world is going backward everyday and every time our Mgr issues another comment Ghost written by the Board, I Cringe Even more, I have No Solution to offer(not intelligent enough for that) but surely the people on this Forum must be able to send some clarity on our affection and concern for the Club to the Board, if they move forward off the Field in regards to the directions of the Club then maybe everything else ( better players, attendance back up, more trophies, will follow

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I just wish our board would show a bit more ambition.
I always get the impression, that the perfect scenario for them is to win the league by a point, meaning we are just spending enough, but no more.
I know people will say we can still win the treble, but even if we did, are we strong enough to counter a rich businessman pumping money into Rangers and investing heavily in their squad.
I think we should be using this period, to make sure we are the dominant force in Scotland for years to come, but I don't think we're making the most of this golden opportunity.

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Malky, I note you say you don't post often. I read that you are certain the board is wrong but you say you are not clever enough to know how to do it right . My problem if you don't know what right is, how do you know that the board is doing wrong .
Many contributors tell us that the board is wrong, Deila is wrong and apart from going with 2 up front nobody has answers. How the hell can we find fault if we don't know what is the right way .
By the way playing two up front is no magical answer to any perceived playing fault.

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04 Jan 2015 17:57:03
I think if we are not going to add quality in the window or any window for that matter we should change tact and start to weaken our title rivals rather than buying projects, I would buy two players in January Adam Rooney and Stuart Armstrong, Aberdeen and United would not continue to mount a challenge without these two.

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Ah fink personally we shouldn't buy or be allowed to buy players from other scottish clubs especially if teams are giving us a challenge. ah kno masel that soonds stupit but like t above poster says buy ther best players so we don't have a challenge. this is what makes it more exciting teams wanting it mare than us instead of jus handing the league to us. that's why parkheeds always empty t noo.

On the other hand if buying there best players that could make us a fortune. but not very likely. as ah said jud my opinion lol

HH

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I don't see the logic in buying players that won't improve the team no matter where they come from.we need players who can be first team regulars and can step in and do a job fairly quickly.I also don't see that buying from our rivals would significantly make a difference as Celtics squad should be good enough to win the league.

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B*******, signing one player from Aberdeen and Dundee United won't make any material difference to either team, may strengthen them by making them more determined . It certainly won't weaken them .

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04 Jan 2015 16:57:33
A can see there a right few common sense posters on today so can I offer up another thread

There was over the last few days a "wish list" of what was needed for our team in this window or alternatively over the last week / 10 days what RD needed /wanted to put his own "stamp" on the team!

As far a can see/remember there has been calls for a new CH, talk of a RB from Norway, A LB for cover, A CDM, A creative midfielder and even another striker, well the school a went to that makes SIX

Can I ask realistically what do you expect to get in in this window in terms of quantum and quality to get in?what do you expect Ed?

Personally if we got THREE half decent players in a would be surprised and quite happy but a have a gut feeling we get to the end of this window and get told "well no teams want to part with anyone in this window" we have ALL heard that line before only real question is folks will we hear it again?

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We've already been told that we're further along with targets than we were in the summer. Also been told we're looking close to home at targets. I don't believe a word of what we get told though. The difference between what I think we should sign and what we do sign gets larger by the window unfortionately.

What I expect - A creative midfielder, possibly Armstrong but even at a few million i've only got my fingers crossed. Then perhaps a CB. Hopefully nobody from Scotland so probably somebody i've never heard of, on loan. Then, Guidetti. Again, only half expecting.

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Jamiebhoy if either the clubs who have the players' signature or the players themselves don't want to sell their players or sign for Celtic, there isn't much the board can do.

Because we are told that the club's didn't want to sell, is not what we want to hear, doesn't mean we are been told lies .
We would be better signing no one , rather than buy a couple to satisfy loud mouth "fans"
I would think to buy 6 players in this window would be a bit over the top and a waste of resources .

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Jamiebhoy let's be realistic its difficult to get any known quality players in as they'd either be out of our price range or prefer another league.so its down to finding those unknown gems that we have found on occasion in the past.I would hope for a full back and central defender as I think its the area needing most attention at the moment.the midfield and forwards should be given a chance to come good till end of season and I think they will.

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3) Thanks gerrym8 I agree that is why a said half decent a think a real no nonsense CH type, VVD and Denayer are just to similar in type for me so even a contrast to them would be great, If we could get Lustig fit a would rather tackle the midfield area but accept that Lustig has not been fully fit since his hip operation which is a shame as a think he is one of our better players even vice captain material

2) let me be clear, you are suggesting we sign no one? No wonder another poster asked if you were Chris Lawwell? lol

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Jamiebhoy, read my post again . Maybe I am giving you too much credit. What I said was if we couldn't get any of targets, we would be better not signing players just to please buck persons like yourself .

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It is very insulting and damned rude to post you don't believe a word of what our manager says . How the hell can you expect Celtic to get a fair press from Scottish Media if so called Celtic fans declare our manager to be a liar .
What's the point of having rival fans .
I can understand some fans maybe questioning Deila's ability to manage, but not believing a word of what he says about transfers is really insulting and hard to believe a Celtic fan could post that.

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Chris read my ORIGINAL thread again a said by other people's contribution SIX places would appear to need filled, I never said SIX in I SAID if we got THREE in a would SURPRISED & HAPPY! a think if you digest the overall overview not getting ANYONE IN will clearly not be RD's fault but the boards!

Furthermore, I feel that if that is the case the masses on here will be disgruntled at that factor but given I have digested numerous responses by you if in way of an "olive branch" to you, you will not be among that section

ATVB JB7

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04 Jan 2015 15:20:35
As most of you on here know I have never thought Delia was the correct choice as our manager, I have said so from the start and took plenty of flack for my views. He was Lawwell's cheapest option. But revewing the season so far does not make good reading.
Our CL campaign was a disaster, slightly better in Europa but still not great at least we have big game against Inter to brighten up our mood.
In the league we have been up and down, with more downs than ups, still going in both domestic cups which is a bonus but Delia's half term report card reads "must do better"
My main gripe with our manager is he treats us the supporters like fools, with his "we outplayed them" after a 0-0 with Ross County the bottom club. Ronny just be honest with us, if the team has a stinker then say so. Tell us the honest truth not flannel and the fans will respect you more.
At home especially in domestic games we should be playing 2 up front, all the fans can see this, why cannot the manager. Our defending at times is shambolic, again we the fans see this why does Delia not. Our passing and ball retention is awful, is there no work being done on this in training?
Any half decent manager would be working to rectify these failings in the team does any Celtic fan really think Delia can rectify these problems, sadly I do not think he can.

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The only thing I can agree with is our defending mate. I think he is pretty honest in his summation of games and to be fair we had an enormous amount of the ball v Ross County.

As for the two up top, did not work well v Ross County did it? I think he is trying to implement a playing style that means we need never change it, Europe or domestically. All that is happening is teams have got better while we have stood still slightly.

I posted he deserves the chance to see who he brings in during the window Tim.Surely he deserves that. nice to see you back mate.

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Hi Tim, would be hard for anyone to pick holes in that overview well said,

A hope you and our team are very much on the mend this year :-)

ATVB JB7

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Hello GJ, A don't think he played 2 up front against RC?, just checked the team sheet again on the rumours page 4-2-3-1 to me he played Griffiths on the right of the 3?

ATVB JB7

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Green jhedi I could not agree with you more RD has to have a chance to bring in HIS own players see how we are then

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Totally agree Tim we have been on the same page since the start. @Gj if we never change our style don't we become predictable? Teams in Europe will beat us easily if we continue to defend like this.Its not all down to the defence, its the same defenders with denayer which is an improvement on effe so why we defendin so bad? Can only be the way we are set up.

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Timalloy I have never seen a post from you that makes sense.

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Well there we go folks rayman says BLACK so DN30 says WHITE! :-0

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04 Jan 2015 17:31:54
Green Jhedi hope your health improves also in 2015, GJ sometimes Delia says things after a match which you know is untrue just be honest about the teams failings.
Jamie Bhoy and Rayman yes it is the defence we need to work on and our passing.
@DN30 ha ha my own little troll is back (what did you do during my absence?)
All your posts are on the back of other people, be brave in 2015 and give YOUR OWN opinion sometimes.

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Sorry princess troll pmsl

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Timalloy when good managers appear at press meetings after poor performances they rarely blame the players . They fudge the situation, some attack the referee and his assistants others bemoan their hard luck . I think Deila handles the situation well. The place to point the finger at individual players and the team as a whole is in the dressing room. If you expect in immediately after the match in a press meeting you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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There's lots of teams don't change their style. They're just better. Our system, also used by the likes of Real, Barca, Bayern and Chelsea over a few years, simplified, involves four attackers, interchangeable players filling in the gaps. Barca now play a 433 and Real a 4123, but it doesn't take much shifting between these formations with the right players. Any 'unpredictability' comes from the movement of those four, rehersed or not, as well as individual ability. 4-2-3-1 gives your team the best distribution over a pitch, providing a better opportunity for triangulation touch and go stuff. Exciting stuff. It makes the wide men of the 3 can pin back full backs allowing the main striker and centre forward to work the two centre halves from staggered positions. Its a game based on passing pressing and posession. Something we're seeing plenty of. There is a lack though in individual quality, an individuals ability to beat a man and score as well as the passing movement that quality players can bring linking up with eachother. Stokes has adapted to RAM pretty well, but he's had to adapt to it. We naturally don't have the players RD needs, he needs time to get his own stamp and get players in. Stokes has goals in him and is capable of some dazzling link up from that area, always has been, so has done well. In the absence of Commons though we've lacked a proper no.10 for the CAM. Possibly the most important member of this system. I posed the question early on should a manager pick a system to suit his players or players to suit his system. RD took the admirable route for me, stuck with his system and picked his players. that's why stokes was made to adapt, that's why commons has been dropped. I wouldn't be surprised to see Boerrigter feature over commons should he ever get fit, because of what he can do in this system. We need the boards backing as much as ever, not to ensure CL qualification which i've criticised for a while now, but to ensure we win the league, that's where we're at now!

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Rayman. "If we don't change our style we become predictable" yes I agree but as i've said in past posts its intelligent players on the park that change games not how the team is set out initially. we need players who can think quickly on the ball in play.I believe the manager will know this and try and bring that type of player to the club.that's one of the reasons I think he can be successful given enough time.

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04 Jan 2015 12:54:19
Guys n Gal, I think we have to tell JG he either signs now or he has to settle for the bench.

Either Stefan or Griffiths need to play given there owned by us. I don't think the big Swede would want to stay in Scotland

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Kev T, if we want to sign better players
We don't give those we want to sign an
Ultimatum . We try to entice them and plead
Barcelona doesn't do ultimatums

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Why knowingly take a player on loan, then bench him?

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Bigger picture, How much longer does he need to make a decision? The other strikers need playing time in order to get goals.

Why play JG if he has no intention of staying on also recent form worries me especially with the sitters of late.

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04 Jan 2015 12:45:12
apparently Kilmarnock has refused to let Celtic on there artificial pitch to get the feel of it

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Would never expect any favours from those Sevco sympathisers - another reason to bump them towards relegation.

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It wouldn't surprise me, I thought there was a SPL ruling re artifical pitches and allowing access to them .
We all know Doncastor says the rules for every club is the same .

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04 Jan 2015 11:07:43
Could this be Celtics next new player. lol

18 meter high football keep up on Japanese TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cedNyPE_K-s

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Our Rugby Team could certainly do with an up-and-under/penalty/conversion specialist like him .!

The Sno Man

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{Ed007's Note - Sno mate, you don't need to put your e-mail address in the box any more. It's not that important but saves you typing it in.}

04 Jan 2015 11:18:13
Think it is time that the fans start protesting at the front doors and get some much needed change at the top. Whilst the club is being run within it's means the product on offer is terrible. Peter law well has overseen the systematic dismantling of our team. A player with any quality is almost immediately sold and then replaced with an unproven prospect!

Celtic now shop in the 1m to 2 m player market, hence the reason our SPL position is not the best. I would suggest there is very little difference in quality between these players and journeyman free transfers that the Aberdeen's of this world sign. This is proven in my opinion by the current SPL positions.

Whilst RD is not blameless I do believe he is doing the job with one hand tied behind his back. It's time for Peter Lawwell to stand down, he can take the club no further and is now one of our most expensive overheads.

I think Dermot Desmond could interact with the fans more and state clearly what his plans are for the club. Will he carry on approving the down sizing of our club or will he put his hand in his pocket?

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I agree the team is in decline and the quality isn't as good as it was. But what you have to remember is all the guys we've sold for big money. Victor Fraser hooper ki Wilson not one of them cost more than 2.5. Unless I'm mistaken. Derrick bo pukki bangu scepovic johans all came in at around the same money. So the board are still spending roughly the same but the players for some reason aren't of the same quality. Did we just get lucky with the previous batch.

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We managed to build a team on the cheap, with the likes of Wanyama, Hooper, etc, but the chances of repeating that are unlikely.
Being realistic it's unlikely that you can put together a team capable of competing in the çhampions league with loan players and players who only cost about £1 million.
I think when we get a fee for a player, more of it needs to be spent on their replacement. We got £12million for Wanyama, couldn't we have spent £5million to replace him?,, we would still be making a good profit on him.
It may seem a lot of money, but the way we are operating now is hitting attendances, and costing us champions league money.
As far as I am aware, we aren't in financial trouble, so I can't see why we can't invest a bit more on the team.

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Well I don't know enough about it mate but other people have been saying it's not as cut and dry as 12m in the bank. It's payed up. It's taxed. The player gets a cut. My problem has always been the policy of buying pukki balde and Derrick bo in one window. Instead of bringing in the finished article who is going to improve the team. But that's been my opinion before victor and hooper so that policy proved me dead wrong there. And I think wether we agree or disagree the boards signing policy will remain. And we won't see a 6m player for a long time. But if that's the policy tell us that. Don't tell us the money's there if we need it.

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I have never trusted any Celtic Board - as their priorities are always out with the team and more importantly the fans while they line their pocket.
Dermot Desmond is virtually invisible and seems to be the reverse of all the other billionaire owners/major shareholders at any other massive football club.
Celtic supporters are always taken for granted all over Scotland and seen as a means of income every week - but are treated with contempt, bigotry and abuse at most grounds; however it's our own club who could do much better in supporter relations and giving fans value for money.

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Surely most of the windows during Lennon's time maybe due to Park's work we signed a number of players . I didn't have a clue about most of them .
I am afraid some of these signings thought they had reached the pinnacle of success and probably enjoyed the lifestyle of Glasgow . Many of this group are still with us . Another group used the facilities, the coaches, trainers nutrition experts etc to become as good as they could. These people demanded to be allowed to better their
"Careers" and/or bank balances. and we had to sell.
The strange thing of all the players bought in only Laustig, Effe and Ambrose signed new extended contracts, and is Effe often thanked?

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Do you think many finished articles want to come to us . Sure the players who are nearing the finished article cannot wait to they get out and away .

I remember the time we signed rough jewels and they, talked about using us as a stepping stone, to bigger and better places . These players got so fond of Celtic that they didn't want to leave us . ( big Balde the first )

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Dermot Desmond is not our owner, that may be why he is not as visible or as outspoken as owners . DD is merely a share-holder just as many of us, although he owns a big load of shares he is still a minority shareholder .

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Utter rubbish Chris. DD is the major shareholder and as such runs the club and makes the decisions!! How many fans like myself with shares and sit in the north stand get to attend board meetings. None!! It's fans like yourself that hold the club back.

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04 Jan 2015 09:53:39
RD isn't concerned about Aberdeen going top because 'if we win all our remaining games we will be champions' I'm concerned because at the moment we are dropping points at an average of once every 3 games. What is going to happen in the second half of the season that is going to change this? Because as well as dropping points in all those games how many games have been won with a struggle? Markie.

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The players are too inconsistent and careless (either in front of goal, playing the final pass or defending) and these basic errors have to stop.
Even though we are short of class ourselves, man-for-man we have the best squad in Scotland and we need to show it consistently and fight to regain the title and win the cups.
They have had an extended break to prepare and now, need to show the appetite and desire of Champions, starting at Rugby Park with nothing less than 3pts and set a marker for the rest of January - and beyond.

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Markie I hope your not showing concerns over rd. ha ha. Prepare for a back lash. I think we should be ok to win the league. But the fact I only think we will is a concern on its own. We could even win the treble. here is a question for you mate. And I would struggle to answer this. Would you rather have our current set up and win a treble. Or the Seville team who ended up winning nothing that season but we will never forget it.

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Aberdeen won't go through the season without dropping points. I've already stuck a tenner on Motherwell for the win today.

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I will be watching the Manchester United game but I wish you all the best with your bet Rab and that would also sicken the Sevco - driven media who have adopted the mutton molesters as their pets.

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Jungle Jim
Have you just a part time interest in Scottish football?
Anyone that would prefer Manchester Utd playing against minnows instead of an SpL match seems very part time to me . Of course you are entitled to watch what you want, but it does diminish your views on Celtic and Scottish football in my view .

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{Ed007's Note - I watched the Man Utd game.....

I watched the Motherwell v Aberdeen game but wished I'd watched Manchester United haha but seriously Aberdeen bossed the game and Motherwell didn't offer much until they brought on a couple of bright young players too late in the game to influence it.

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You are the Ed, I am not going to fault you for your choice of viewing 🐥

We all know and are indebted to the amount of time and expertise you give to SPL and Celtic in particular .

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{Ed007's Note - At least I was watching a team in green & white hoops! I told my Mrs I was watching a DVD of our 2006 CL match against Utd and she looked at the TV and said 'You need help, is there no live games on?'. (fubar)

 
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