Celtic Banter Archive February 04 2016

 

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04 Feb 2016 23:24:12
I see there is to be a big meeting with the players RD and Bonus Ball.

No doubt it they will emerge all

Reinvigorated. Re focused, blah foxing blah.

They have shat it to sack Ronnie and they expect us to swallow it.

Marks my words, it will be Ronnie talking even more shite than usual. So, expect to be squirming with rediscovered motivation and happy faulking clapping.

Too late for Ronnie to save anything.

Even if he was a keeper.

Well, the CL is overrated anyway.

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04 Feb 2016 23:31:09
Agreed-the cl is overrated.

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05 Feb 2016 00:15:25
We'll be getting the usual cliches from Collins " Its small errors" "we"ll keep working on the training ground to eradicate those errors" Can anyone else take this clown seriously apart from maybe TPP

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05 Feb 2016 00:29:28
Other than a completely unnecessary/ childish (and unfunny) dig, I'm not sure what your point towards me is. Unless of course the dig is the only point, which only serves to underline the aforementioned childish aspect of it.

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05 Feb 2016 00:42:34
Only stating facts TPP after all that's JC's standard comment we've been hearing all season and only gullable fans like yourself believe it

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05 Feb 2016 01:02:29
It seems clear that the powers that be will never sack Ronnie and he said himself he will not resign. We're stuck with him it seems. Signing after signing has just been a waste. All very disappointing.

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05 Feb 2016 01:11:41
You clearly have as much knowledge about the definition of the word fact, as you do about what I do and don't believe.

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05 Feb 2016 17:55:40
Arn't we better stuck with a proven winner of the SPL than get rid of him and search around and appoint some loser like O Coyle or David Moyes .

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04 Feb 2016 23:22:10
In the midst of all this, one recurring theme mentioned by people is that the team is devoid of urgency, motivation and perhaps even confidence

Jim McGuinness has been employed by Celtic for the past few years in some sort of psychology role and I undertand he was promoted to working with the first team last year as I understand it. I saw a purported remuneration package on this but it would be inappropriate to reference the figure

He was a very successful manager of the Donegal GAA team, taking them to All Ireland success a few years back. One of the key skills attributed to him was ability to motivate players to maximum potential and bond them into a very effective team

I am just wondering what role he currently plays with Celtic senior squad since it looks like a group of lost souls at the moment.

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04 Feb 2016 23:40:42
If that team had a small fraction of Mc Guinness's balls they would go places, different code thou and was motivating a different kind of animal as Donegals manager, amateurs, who to be honest don't need much motivation. To wear your counties jersey, there's no greater honour in GAA.
I don't know what he has to offer Celtic thou. Indeed at present there is no evidence to suggest he has contributed anything.

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05 Feb 2016 01:27:33
Psychology seems a major thing in football these days but in hindsight I can't keep thinking about the Lisbon lions in tunnel before facing the mighty inter erupting into Celtic songs, that's being proud of the jersey don't think cesar would have needed a hour on the couch talkin bout his heartache.

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05 Feb 2016 09:12:06
We didn't need psychologists when we had big AITKEN or Lenny running through amoroso at Ibrox Bertie and bobby dominating the opposition. This is an industry which is totally unnecessary, what we need is bravery heart and a desire to win no matter the adversity, players who won't throw the towel in.

Too many of this lot are like the cowardly lion of OZ and RD is the wizard all smoke and mirrors hiding a frightened charlatan.

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05 Feb 2016 09:22:21
Most of the current squad don't know the 'Celtic Song' and too many seem to be overwhelmed and out of their depth at our club.

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05 Feb 2016 18:04:50
Kevin Kilbane writing in a Dublin Paper said that ten years ago any top club having a psychologist would have been sneered at . Now he reckons all top clubs need a group or team of psychologists .
It's probably true that most of our players don't know the " Celtic Song " and I suppose it's hardly surprising as it doesn't appear too many spectators at our games know it either .
In fairness to Izzy he seemed to mingle more with fans than most other players but many fans turned their back on him . So I wonder does it matter .

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04 Feb 2016 21:41:33
I don't recognise my team on the park. They look as if they don't know their role. They look slow, uninterested at times, as if they don know what their role is, heartless, slow and not a Celtic team I recognise. This has generally been the case since Ronny took over. Mediocre teams in Europe have embarrassed us and that in itself is bad enough to for me. Playing one up at Celtic Park in any game is not what we are about but we play it time and time again! This has not worked. We are unrecognisable as a team, a club. Our reputation is melting away. Time to get rid of Ronny, sorry but the experiment HAS FAILED.

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04 Feb 2016 19:54:14
Well I'm sure none of us have anything new to say about Deila's position at the club, as we have all got what we wanted off our chests.

Now that we have done that, can we just change the topic as it is getting a bit tiresome constantly reading the same stuff.

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04 Feb 2016 20:32:04
Correct Rab hopefully we can grind out this title and pick up the Scottish cup and try and move forward . Ronny has proven that he's not the man to take a team into any high pressure game so having him in the seat next season is a no no. My biggest fear is and I wouldn't put it past this board is to give the job to Collins. That would be the final straw for me. I fully believe this man is responsible for the obvious current lack of team spirit, he could suck the atmosphere out of an empty room

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04 Feb 2016 21:23:27
The Board are a joke they have failed time they stepped aside and let people in with ambition.

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04 Feb 2016 21:51:33
Obviously some folk haven't got it off their chest Rab if they keep posting about it! It's the here and now of what's happening at the club so don't see much else to talk about tbh. Unless you want Tim to start telling jokes!

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04 Feb 2016 22:48:47
I would prefer Timalloy's jokes and dare I say it, horse betting tips, than to listen to a constant rehash of get Deila out.

We have all made our feeling quite clear and no matter what we say on here it is not going to make a blind bit of difference.

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05 Feb 2016 18:11:46
The board are a joke . What exactly do u mean? If u know ways that the board can create £10 m or more profit on an annual basis, I would agree that the board is a joke for not doing that . On current turnover we might be able to squeeze a bit more for player purchase but not a lot . Maybe we could spend money in a wiser manner but that wouldn't solely be the board or would it?

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05 Feb 2016 19:04:47
The Board are a joke. That's what i meant.

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04 Feb 2016 19:44:12
Im bowing out till Ronny either removes himself or he gets the bullet. We just seem to be going nowhere fast at Celtic. I wish you all well friends and foes alike. Hail Hail.

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04 Feb 2016 20:26:39
You'll be a sad loss to the forum. Your witty remarks and downright sensible input will be sorely missed and I for one will be very sad that you won't be with us any longer. This forum is all about its members and editors and with you leaving a little piece of this wonderful font of opinion will wilt away like an autumn leaf. Good bye dear friend.

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04 Feb 2016 21:22:33
Is Pedro and bhry 1 of the same or just a wee bit of Man love?

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04 Feb 2016 23:03:00
Will miss you on the 'Live Chat' as when the team or the game is dying a death we need good humour to keep us sane.

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05 Feb 2016 01:33:54
I will give you 3 days.

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04 Feb 2016 19:11:33
Anyone heard from DN30? The last I remember hearing from him was just after the 5th went in against Accies and he joined the live chat to tell us all how wrong we were about Ronny and we would all come crawling back at the end of the season when he wins the treble.

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04 Feb 2016 22:49:54
Maybe he doesn't take as much delight in a Celtic defeat as you?

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04 Feb 2016 23:45:12
Taking delight in a Celtic defeat? Is that you DN spouting your usual p***

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05 Feb 2016 00:02:51
I'm sorry, I thought that was a (not so) thinly veiled "I told you so" post. Oh my mistake, it was.

And yeah it's me. You've got me- I think your being petty by trying to use our current woes to score points over another Fan -- a fan I often disagree with on here -- so yeah, I must be him. I'll add DN30 to the list of childish names I've been called over the last week. I'll put it right between 'journalist' and 'pathetic patient'.

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05 Feb 2016 00:32:56
TPP just stating facts on my OP ,thats what happened, DN/TPP posted a " thinly veiled I told you so post" during the Accies game , humble pie was mentioned and crawling back out from under stones once we win the treble was also mentioned. Not being childish but he/you started it. LOL

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05 Feb 2016 01:15:45
Again, you need to look up the word fact.

If it was thinly veiled, how do you know that's how he meant it?

And even if he did, that doesn't mean you're not being childish with that response. At the time, I said something along the lines of people like DN30 and OldBhoy not rubbing it in. which I don't agree with. But at least they're gloating was when we were winning.

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04 Feb 2016 15:41:12
We can't dismiss the fact that Aberdeen have won 10 league games on the bounce and are very much a serious challenger to Celtic for the title this season, it is healthy to have a challenge but only if that challenger has risen to your level, not when we have gone backwards to their level as is happening at the moment, although in all fairness Aberdeen have improved a lot under McInnes .

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04 Feb 2016 15:53:37
It's a combination of them moving forward and us moving backwards in almost equal measure I'd say. Pittodrie isn't an easy place to get a result these days and as much as it's no disgrace to be beaten there, the manner of the defeat last night was outrageous. A gutless and heartless performance. Nowhere near good enough.

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04 Feb 2016 15:58:47
Drewzybhoy I do u say we can dismiss the fact that Aberdeen have won 10 league games on the bounce, is it to make u feel good? Individual league games mean very little . What means the most is league positions, especially at the end of the season .
Celtic players and manager's confidence is very low, I wonder is there anyway we could help to raise the confidence .

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04 Feb 2016 15:59:55
Your last sentence is exactly the point. They have improved-and if a team wins ten league games on the bounce, they ARE raising their game.

That said, I'm still 100% sure we'll win the title.

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04 Feb 2016 16:16:50
First two points are valid we ARE going backwards!

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04 Feb 2016 16:29:28
Agreed Jamie - but we've steadily been going backwards since Seville. Rangers' demise has just sped it up.

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04 Feb 2016 16:47:15
If you want to raise confidence sack Ronny and hopefully they realise fans don't want project managers or players and appoint someone who can get better out our squad. The club need to put the majority of fans first not a single man who will be well rewarded to step aside.

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04 Feb 2016 16:49:14
I have no problem with getting beaten ( I don't like it) but I would hope my ream would have put up a fight and not a whimper like a dying dog. To give up with little to no fight is unforgiveable.

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04 Feb 2016 16:51:46
we are now going backwards at warp speed in 2012 we reached the last 16 of the champions league in 2015 we couldn't win a single Europa league game. Aberdeen haven't won ten league games in a row, they drew two at over Christmas which smothered our pathetic performance against Motherwell which should have been the end for RD tactically spanked by Mark McGhee for heavens sake.

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04 Feb 2016 17:40:24
Ithink we will win the title, by a distance, think LG and K-R will strrike up a good partnership, but that's not the point, the team have'nt improved at all under RD and Collins, since the beginning till now there have probably been more dodgy performances than superlative ones, I am sure the players BMI and chhlorestrol a BP have improved but in terms of football, they are no better than before Ronnie came.

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04 Feb 2016 21:34:31
Old Bhoy the only thing that will make me feel better is for Desmond and Lawwell to admit they have made a**e of with Ronny Deila and their constant downsizing of our great club, but I don't think they will until the Celtic fans let them know how we feel by downsizing the amount of money we are giving them, until we do things are only going to get worse that's the bottom line .

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04 Feb 2016 23:13:55
Individual games and a run of games are two different things.
Our current run is two defeats, scored 2 conceded 5 - out of the league cup and turning a possible 9 point lead into just 3.
The team/ club has the best support in the division and a large, vociferous and passionate away support that is being short changed.
Lawell and Co have taken us for granted far too long.

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04 Feb 2016 15:35:57
I like Ronny Delia he seems a great guy and I think he has a great footballing philosophy I watched him give a lecture on YouTube and he knows his stuff but as a man manager does he get the best out of the players he has at his disposal, whenever you read about the great managers such as Sir Alex and Sir Bobby Robbson everyone always says they had this unique way of making players believe they were better than they were there man management skills were second to none! Players wanted to play for them and there teams always had that will to win! 2-0 down at half time yesterday a good man manager would tell his team that he believed in them and make them believe that even tho they were 2-0 down they were still good enough to win the game! I don't see that in Delias team! When we go behind the heads seem to go down and there is no drive to get back in the game! We need a leader! A man who can make average players feel like they are world beaters and no matter what the score is we can win the League! We are Glasgow Celtic we are winners we don't accept second best! Delia has had a year and a half to convince me he can build a team of winners! I am afraid he has failed!

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04 Feb 2016 16:02:00
Didn't Sir Alec spend seasons making the Manchester United players believe they were better than they were . Too many experts on here are not prepared to give RD the same time.

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04 Feb 2016 16:04:54
So for your example of who we need our manager to be like you pick two people:

One is arguably the greatest manager of all time.

One is a super nice guy who won very little over the course of three decades.

I agree with everything you say in terms of improving players -- and I'd argue that RD could lay claim to doing such -- but it's moot/ nebulous. Like the cry of "we need a champions league quality striker", it sounds good but means very little because a. There is no tangible suggestion/ solution put forth and b. The market you're operating in with a statement like that is one from which we are not going to shop in.

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04 Feb 2016 16:53:33
Too many experts on here wanting to prolong his tenure in the face of his abject failure to deliver his own promises.

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04 Feb 2016 17:14:58
Said by someone who's only contribution to any post is RD should be sacked. Expert right enough!

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04 Feb 2016 17:56:35
OK TPP in the spirit of open mindedness tell me what he has brought to the club, how he has improved it in terms of what he said he would do. He has brought KT through, but my view is that the boy is such a natural talent any manager would do that. All the rest of our decent young players are out on loan. that means someone else is developing them not RD.

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04 Feb 2016 20:35:41
He has brought KT through. You can't just write off that because it suits your argument. He has implemented a formation that we (are trying to) play at both home and in Europe - which to be honest, has almost worked. But for some individual errors, we have arguably played some of our best (European) football in years.

You say that he has sent out youngsters like it's a bad thing. Sending a footballer out on loan IS developing them. You are choosing which club, which environment etc and have the foresight to see that a player will get more game time. Liam Henderson is a better player for his time spent in Norway, and will be better again for his time spent playing week in week out for Hibs. If they go out, come back and are moved on (McGeough) then it's because they are not good enough. Darnell Fisher is prime example. He hasn't been playing outstanding whilst out. He's been average. As you say, some will slot in and take their chance right away (KT) but some need game time. I would have liked Aiden Nesbitt to stay but I'm also excited to see him get some serious game time under his belt at Partick Thistle. I'm not going to attack any previous managers but I feel like RD has already gave more youngsters a chance, and is certainly looking to them. Again whether they are good enough or not is another thing altogether.

I don't know enough about the specifics but ED007 has mentioned that RD's trying to change the set up from the ground up -- and has implemented changes in that regard (sorry if I'm paraphrasing you ED) but these things can't be done overnight.

I don't like being beaten. I was gutted last night. But it was one game. As was Sunday. Last night was unacceptable, undoubtedly, but I have to be fair and say we were dominating (and in complete control) until a wonder strike. Yes we capitulated after that and in all honesty never looked like getting back into it (despite my faith) but that's another issue. On Sunday, the red card changed the game and the missed penalty kept it changed (so to speak) - I don't think RD is solely to blame for that. In any case, these are single games and I'm looking at the bigger picture, and ahead to the next game. Of course if we are beaten by East Kilbride, or if we fail to win the league then RD must go - but we won't lose to East Kilbride and I think we'll win the league comfortably in the end.

The point isn't that I'm a RD apologist, because I'm not, nor am I wanting him sacked, because I don't - I just think the rot that we are seeing is partly because of a systemic failure that goes back to Martin O days, and because that same malaise is now being changed, which will take time.

It's darkest before the dawn and all that.

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04 Feb 2016 21:44:06
Sorry for the delay in responding, you and I have a different view about the system, I think it is flawed and leaves us wide open, it gives lesser teams too many chances against us. on Sunday we had already began conceding possession before the penalty. Ross County had three decent attempts in the 12 minutes after our goal. The shape of the team does not lend itself to game management as seen against Malmo. The speed and style of play never changes if you didn't know the score it would be difficult to know whether we were winning 5 nil or losing 5 nil. It results in over passing with little penetration and we rarely get behind the opposition, they always seem to have time to regroup. I think it is difficult to say that we have seen some of our best displays in Europe. My view is this was an abject failure and we lost to many games from good positions. While some supporters can see him improving the situation I cannot I can only see it getting worse much as it pains me. If RD remains I desperately hope we can do enough to win the league but I think this is in the balance given the physical and mental weakness of our team.

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04 Feb 2016 22:31:30
No worries bud.

I don't think the system is perfect -- and as I say, I think he's trying to. Whether it's working or not is, as you say, hot or cold. I'm not going to get into specific problems because that could be the personnel as opposed to the system (which granted, could be directed at RD's door) but that aside, I do think we need to have a formation (and style of play - whatever that is) that we play home, away, domestically and in Europe with only slight tweaks, and that formation/ style has to run down through all the other development/ youth teams etc.

I don't think you are totally wrong with the flaws in the system, or the implementation of the system, but I don't think we are on the wrong path - and what I will say is that the often heard call of 442 is a total red herring. And one that was exposed last night. It's an antiquated system that is easy to play around, and even easier to press/ sustain possession - as we found out for the 2nd 45 minutes. (we barely got a touch in the first 10 mins of the second half)

As I said, I think we'll win the league comfortably - whether that saves RD is another thing altogether.

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05 Feb 2016 19:43:18
I read your post with interest TPP, you state it has ALMOST worked. Considering you also state that you know what the word FACT means on previous posts I assume you know what ALMOST means.
Not quite, nearly. If u come second in a race u nearly/ almost win, but ultimately you have failed.
You also state "the rot we are seeing" well if it is indeed a rot we are seeing and agree with you on that why o why are you defending the manager who is producing this rot.

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04 Feb 2016 15:31:28
Really surprised RD still in the post today folks! Expected him gone

Really don't know why the beaks are letting him away with it other than utter contempt for US!

Other managers past have lost there post via lackluster/ woeful/ dire performances!

What are the beaks watching/ seeing?

At this time of year minus Sevco we are used to steam rolling over every ONE on a domestic basis but not under this regime

PI$$ poor and anyone thinking otherwise got a bad doze of the emperor's new clothes!

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04 Feb 2016 15:45:36
I did warn you about him Jamie lol.

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04 Feb 2016 16:10:43
I am really surprised that it took u to 3.30pm to spout your usual anti R D rubbish .
If we want to lose the SPL the surest way we can do it is to sack R D and then either give the job to the most desperate applicant within days or else spend 6-8 weeks trying to encourage someone with a little bit of ability to take the job with all the restrictions that go with it .
Either way would be a disaster for all Celtic supporters who want to see Celtic flourish and five in a row .
It was good of Rayman to warn u Jamiebhoy7 . What did u warn him re R D
Something terrible?

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04 Feb 2016 16:32:04
Didn't need warned Rayman mate, wanted him to do well mate still would but it is the lack of fight I cannot stomach

A said as much at the start, He has come from a background if you play well you win but he has never been able to countermand/ conquer the backwater of Scottish Football where you FIGHT first and counter the other team from playing I coined the phrase "like a rabbit caught in the headlights" very early on and I took pelters for it!

Suddenly, last night when we went down about 10 of us on live chat knew we were beat and that hurts like hell (y)

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04 Feb 2016 16:44:09
The day I start paying attention to you Chronic 02 is they a start to worry

Stick to your wee riddles.

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05 Feb 2016 19:33:39
Don't worry Jamie its all a conspiracy lol.

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04 Feb 2016 15:14:59
I may get called a Deila apologist or to open my eyes. But I still believe Deila can turn this club into a winning team.

Now most fans are now upset and over the past two games yes I agree we have been poor but can you honestly say since Deila stepped through the door that the "PRESS" has not tainted your opinions on him?

I believe the real people that need to leave are the board and possibly Collins and Kennedy. I don't believe for a second any of the players that have been purchased (may excluding Jozo) by the club are RD's signing or if they have been on his shortlist they will be very far down it. Looking at the team do you honestly believe any other manager would be able to do better with that team?

Now the two loses have hurt everyone big time but is it honestly the end of the world? Are we still leading in the league? Are we still in two competitions Yes. Since when was winning the treble so important? Do you not think it is maybe the press that is sinking into your opinions? Making the pressure of winning the treble important? Remember when we were out of everything a couple of seasons ago and the press made a big deal about our clean sheets.

My opinion yes I'm disappointed in the results, no I don't think RD should be sacked, Yes he needs more involvement, no the results aren't then of the world and yes the press have a huge grasp over us and are eating into our opinions to cause the outcome they all want Celtic to fail.

Summary: We need to stick together support the team yes voice our opinions of what we're unhappy about but booing the team is certainly not going to help get results. Sorry for the long essay ed lol.

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04 Feb 2016 16:04:54
So anyone who differs from the keep Ronny brigade are influenced by the press? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and no one likes the press having a go at they're club, manager or players but come on, are you telling me your quite content letting things go on as they are? The two recent defeats have been dire. 3-1 down at the weekend granted down to ten men but where was the fight? Where was the spirit? They never looked like coming back into that game. Last night the same, 62% possession and still 2-0 down in the first half. Where was the fighting spirit second half? At the end of the day if as we're led to believe that a lot of these signings aren't Ronnys, then for god sake grow a pair Ronny because it will in the end cost him his job. Half of these players aren't good enough and as for Ronny. If he can't get a reaction from these players in what could arguably be the biggest game of the season so far then he'll never get it!

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04 Feb 2016 17:02:02
Listen this idea that my view is formed by the press is total garbage as I am sure it is for the majority of fans. I know the press agenda it is he same as it has always been and I treat it with contempt. therefore I rely on the evidence of my own eyes which tell me this is a team of losers with a fantasist manager who thinks he can get the team to play in the way of his imagination. If only it wasn't for those pesky opposition players and managers who can see through his vacuous ideas and expose the systemic weaknesses. The rot has set in bhoys, we might be in front today but I don't see us sustaining it. We capitulate if we go a goal behind heaven forbid we fall behind in he league, by then it will be too late. Let's see how people defend him then.

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04 Feb 2016 14:31:06
Hi everyone,
Not posted in ages but I just wanted to throw my tuppence into the RD "debate". I am still behind him and his appointment, as ED says we have all experienced wins and defeats. My thought is that Ronnie is still an exciting coach with the best interests of the club and team at heart. There have been countless seasons where we have dropped points at Pittodrie or Rugby park etc. The fact that we are regressing is IMO not down to Ronnie it is down to how wiselyor more like unwisely we have spent on poor quality pplayers. Can Ronnie really turn an Ambrose into a Maldini or Scott Allan into a Messi? It is unrealistic to think he can. However if he can have the youth teams to first team playing a philosophy there is note of a chance of turning an 9-14 year old into one of the above. Patience unfortunately does not seem to be a virtue many of our "Faithful through and through" fans seem to have any longer.

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04 Feb 2016 14:48:59
Is it unrealistic to get them to defend a corner. Put a tackle in. Get back into a shape when the opposition keeper is about to kick the ball out? You are talking nonesense. It's not the defeats. It's no fight, no shape, no idea what to do. Why are we buying players for £1 or £2 mill and we play no better than Hibs! Support him all you want but at end of the day unless he goes it's going to get worse.

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04 Feb 2016 15:00:44
I agree with both of you haha.

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04 Feb 2016 16:12:01
Both of you have made honest comment and observation.
The gut feeling I have is we have went backwards since last season and although a lot of that may have to do with the absence of Denayer and VVD defensively [who gave Gordon a lot of protection].
However, I feel we have failed miserably in basic defending all season - no matter who he tried and we make the same mistakes time and time again = so the coaching is non existent and there is an alarming drop in form, from too many players who were outstanding last season and this super-fitness ideology is clearly not working.
Overall, I have doubts about what direction we are going?

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04 Feb 2016 16:20:29
Johnymac why and how do u support Celtic?

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04 Feb 2016 17:03:51
This is the first time we have lost twice at pittodrie since 1991. 4 defeats in 24 hardly countless.

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04 Feb 2016 17:53:49
Grout64 isn't that a reasonable decent record to be proud of . Not beaten twice at Pittodrie since 1991. Record had to go sooner or later .

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04 Feb 2016 21:07:56
I wasn't being statistical with my post, but fair play for wasting your time checking up those facts (why only go back to 1991 though) . Do the stats before 1991 make for poorer reading and therefore invalidate your point?

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04 Feb 2016 22:50:28
Bankier boy don't mention it glad to be of help, I think 25 years is a sufficient statical sample. from that I think we can draw the inference that RD struggles to get the results necessary. remember he has also failed to beat hearts and Kilmarnock in the league this season and lost at home to Motherwell, this is unacceptable. I struggle to understand how he is seen as an exciting manager. I have been to most games this season the performances particularly at home have been dull and uninspiring. Our style is play is increasingly boring, I have lost count of the amount of times 10 or 12 consecutive passes end up back at Craig Gordon.

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05 Feb 2016 01:24:28
I agree with the point about the ball being constantly recycled back to Gordon that is annoying, but surely that is not the tactic. However would you rather it went to him or a Boyata or Ambrose went bombing forward, lost theball and therefore gave away a ggoal scoring opportunity/penalty? As a general rule I think our home form is poor due to lack of atmosphere and negative attitude of so many fans these days. I remember not so long ago judt about Strachan's time even the Stadium was still generally full and electric. I think what the green brigade bring is good but when these guys were scattered around the stadium the individuals started the singing and chanting the stadium over. With regards to Ronnie being exciting IMO what I mean is his philosophy, whether our players current/future can get it right remains to be seen. As far as I know it is the same system Jurgen Klopp is trying to implement @ Liverpool. Ad you can see the results there are also up and down with far superior players than we have

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04 Feb 2016 13:39:22
There has been an inevitability about our decline for a while now.
I'm not against developing young players, but in my opinion it has to run alongside buying a bit of quality and experience at the same time. I can't remember the last time we sold a player and replaced him with someone of equal ability or better.
Aberdeen don't spend vast amounts of money on players, but the players they do buy are generally better than the ones they replace, so over a period of time their results improve.
We on the other hand are doing the opposite, every player we sell is replaced by an inferior player, or some youngster who may or may not be any good in 3 years time, over a period of time it's asking for trouble. The gap between us and Aberdeen is narrowing all the time.
We keep getting told that we can't replace players with ones of equal ability, yet in a more limited way Aberdeen seem to be able to do it, if they can find a way to do it then shouldn't a club the size of ours with a huge fan base and far greater resources be able to do the same.
I think that they could, but I don't think their people running the club want to, as they are more concerned with their bonuses.
They treat supporters with contempt.

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04 Feb 2016 13:42:02
Totally. Its not about us having more spending power than Aberdeen or Malmo. It's all about us, being the best we can be, rather than coming out of every summer looking weaker.

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04 Feb 2016 14:44:40
That's it in a nutshell, we know we can't compete financially with bigger clubs, but with better organisation and planning, we can maintain a level and quality, we all appreciate and enjoy.
Strachan did it, when he had to drastically reduce costs, while putting a winning team on the park and signing CL class players.
Even NL had a half decent squad assembled before it was cherry picked and dismantled - so it can be done with good scouting and the ability to spot a player, while blending experience with young potential and building a balanced, talented and hungry squad.
This management team seem to have the development part covered, but the squad structure with a balance of experience and youth is missing as is the obvious quality and class we have abandoned.
Lawell has to shoulder all of the blame for overseeing such a demise with his'asset stripping' and short sighted complacency.
while expecting rookie and untested managers to work miracles.

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04 Feb 2016 13:33:23
Celtic won't sack rd well not just yet as ther is not a manger with half a brain would take the job, it must be a known fact around the circuit mangers that it's a no go, pl and DD will sack him when they have someone desperate enough to take the job, my guess a unknown foreign boss or a rooky, its a sin what pl and dd have done to Celtic, all for to wait for that mob from across the city, Celtic are not that much behind that mob and with a bit if money they could seriously mount an attack on the title next year, we have a porsch and DD and lawell have drove it like a claped out transit. , what a disgrace they are to the history of celtic.

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04 Feb 2016 15:57:42
There is plenty managers who would take the job mate.

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04 Feb 2016 17:55:42
Jbhoy most of them that would take the job would be useless. The reason they would be available is because they have been sacked.

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04 Feb 2016 11:27:49
Ed you are very quiet on this what's your feelings towards RD and do u think he will be here come the end of the week?

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{Ed007's Note - My feelings towards the manager hasn't changed just because we lost a game. I've experienced CFC losing matches before and I'll experience us losing again, it's hardly the end of the world.}

04 Feb 2016 16:34:19
But do you think he is he man to take us forward in terms of getting into the champions league at the 4 th time of asking?

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{Ed007's Note - It's the beginning of February, there's more important things to concentrate on than the CL qualifiers that are months away and we've got a league and a Scottish Cup to win before them.}

04 Feb 2016 16:56:09
Do you think ronnie would get on better with a new assistant manager rather than Collins?

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{Ed007's Note - Definitely. Collins is clueless and I've said it from the very beginning. If RD wasn't getting picking his own assistant it should at least have been someone that knew the Scottish game.}

04 Feb 2016 17:08:14
One of my work colleagues son used to be a hibs youth player and he said he was a pig of a man to the youths. Also said he took his shirt of telling them he expected there body's to be like his not sure how true that is tho.

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{Ed007's Note - He's pig ignorant and has zero people skills. Part of an assistant's job is to be the buffer between the players and the manager, you either need to be respected or more one of the lads to keep the balance and Collins is neither. I still don't think him and Scott Brown get on and that's not ideal for an assistant and a captain.}

04 Feb 2016 17:56:09
Is it true that the players refused to play for him before he left hibs?

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know if it got that bad but players were very vocal of his failings.}

04 Feb 2016 19:25:46
Yip new assistant all we need, then all the problems are solved 🙈.

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04 Feb 2016 13:12:47
I think the players are either not good enough to play for celtic or the players have decided they no longer want to play for ronny and are trying to force change, anyway there is far too much dross in the squad at least a dozen i would just cut our losses on and punt park as well as his scouting team as recruitment side is clearly not working hate to say it because it means we aren't doing well but now is time for change.

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04 Feb 2016 14:50:27
There are definitely some who have had a drastic dip in form this season and others like Commons and Stokes, who were unsettled and even disruptive. When you add this to the few who are trying their best - but are clearly not good enough - that spells disaster.

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04 Feb 2016 13:05:34
I am torn and I guess most of our fans are too. Deila? do we sack him now or give him until end of season.
But then we the true Celtic fans MUST keep supporting the team, if we turn on Ronnie and the players now, it could really end up horribly wrong and NO league title.
Get behind the team and make sure we win the title for another crack at the CL, then do the post mortem on Deila.
But in backing Deila we may just be prolonging our agony, if, God forbid, he fails to win the league.
I think it is obvious to most fans Ronnie should never have been anywhere near the Celtic job, yes hindsight is wonderful, but I know my position has never changed, he is in my eyes, worse than Mowbray AND Barnes.
As a Celtic fan I WANT to support Deila but he makes it so hard to trust his suspect judgement. He does not inspire, has no plan B and cannot seem to change things if things are going against us.
So what is the best course of action to improve the situation?
I really do not know.

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04 Feb 2016 13:22:23
Have to disagree with you about him being worse than Barnes and Mowbray as neither of these guys done anything good for Celtic. At least Ronny has delivered some trophies and developed some of our players.

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04 Feb 2016 13:32:34
We can't just keep Ronnie just in case we don't win the league. We may lose it with him in charge? The point is this. If we have doubts now about whether he can win the league then we have no chance in CL qualifiers. This is not all Ronnies fault. The players are not good, but also he is not getting the best out of them. Also he keeps saying we are all in this together. So he won't sack his backroom staff. Our defending is a joke but he holds onto Kennedy. Look st how we set up to defend even a punt up the park from the opposition goal keeper. There is no shape. He won't get rid of Collins and won't drop players even if they are out of form. So he just keeps on doing the same. Definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing and expecting things to change. That's where we are. He needs to go now!

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04 Feb 2016 14:58:37
A lot of the players have really let him - and us - down for one reason or another and the vast majority from last season are like different players this term, while new additions have either flopped or have been held back.
Whatever way you look at it only Tierney, Griffiths and Rogic in my opinion have shown any consistency and class.
There is something far wrong somewhere?

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04 Feb 2016 11:39:53
We took a gamble on Ronnie and the board as well as ourselves bought into his philosophy. Let's face it, mistakes were made as to who's fault it was, you can't just blame Ronnie . A lot of fans on here have argued different opinions and it's not about being proved right or wrong but our once great club is being dragged backwards at a rapid rate and something needs to be done . And quickly! The idea in principle we had was a good one at the time, indeed rangers have followed our lead going down the same route but the stark reality is it hasn't worked out for us. The football we are watching is slow, boring, devoid of bravery and devoid of organisation . We desperately need a new manager, with a new regime and understanding of different systems. This indeed is a celtic team that not many can be proud off, when we lose a goal we look like we can't come back. If we defend a lead it always looks like we will crumble under the pressure . The silence from the club at the minute leads me to believe they are just going to bury their heads in the sand and just ride it out. The board are shameless . There is no hiding from the fact this has been on of our poorest seasons for a while no matter how Ronnie dresses it up. The club can't afford another gamble, we need and deserve a decent manager to make us a team to be feared once again.

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04 Feb 2016 11:34:13
This post is not about Deila as I made my feelings known on that matter on a previous post.

This post is an attack on the players as they need to shoulder some responsibility for last night.

I was appalled at how few of our players were making runs off the ball or making themselves available for the pass. Too often I seen players hiding and deliberately moving into positions that made it near impossible for them to receive a pass.

Yes Ronny needs to shoulder some responsibility for that shocking performance but the players should not be getting off scott free as they disgraced the jersey and let the fans down.

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04 Feb 2016 13:05:27
I think the reason for this is that players like Mackay-Steven and Armstrong can't handle the pressure of playing for Celtic (which shouldn't be that great a pressure as they play inferior teams every week) . McGregor is another who looks great when he has lots of time, but there is nobody who takes a risk and tries something out of the ordinary.

The 3 mentioned above, along with Forrest and Allan are mentally tough enough. They would be fine at Dundee Utd where nobody bothers if they only win one game in every three.

I agree about players hiding, Allan tries to get on the ball but to be honest I think there is a lot of hype about him and he isn't actually that good. He seems to hit the ball out the park an alarming amount.

Did Ryan Christie not tear strips of Aberdeen about 3 months ago? Surely he would be a better option than the 5 mentioned in this post, as would Nesbitt. I've been moaning all season about how poor Armstrong is, he seems to have nothing at all to his game!

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04 Feb 2016 14:51:33
Rab as I was reading your post the name that kept coming to mind was Bitton. His off the ball movement was terrible and his body language was also poor. Don't think he enjoyed the conditions or the pitch and went into hiding. Another player that let himself down a bit was tierney. All he did when he got the ball was good it either out the park or in the other direction. No composure and poor distribution but I won't hold it against him as he is still young. I like him but last night he doesn't escape criticism from me. I think he can handle that tho.

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04 Feb 2016 15:36:03
Pedro, I thought the worst offenders were the front 4. I lost count of the number of times we broke over the halfway line and there were no passes on for the guy with the ball and I actually saw some players move into positions where it was impossible for them to receive the ball.

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04 Feb 2016 11:00:54
Here's a thought, If the board decided to call time on Ronnys reign who would be the candidates to come in?
Hail hail.

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04 Feb 2016 11:40:41
hope he gets to the end of the season tbh, but do think that we should change, think we would be in the same boat as when lennon left, i'd go for alex neil.

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04 Feb 2016 11:58:44
Hardly a mouth watering prospect for anyone. It's clear the boards strategy of spend little, hope a lot, doesn't work. Any money spent is on players who are pish. Ronnie's record is appalling.

His persistence with Ambrose, Johanson, Mcgreggor and Forrest shows me he hasn't a clue.

Alan and Christie need a run. Zonal marking needs ditched. Gordon needs to learn how to command the six yard box.

A 442 with The new guy in with Leigh. I liked the look of him. He might not score too many, but he will allow other to with his flicks and ability to hold up the baw.

Anyone coming in needs to be able to see the flaws everyone bar rd is aware of.

The usual names will pop up, Stubbs, Rogers, big Yogi, Jackie and the board need to get it right.

My fear is they will continue with Ronnie and we will descend even further into the sleeping giants dungeon of no return.

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04 Feb 2016 12:39:05
I think we could bring in big Malky now, and give him a good run towards cleaning out and preparing for Europe. I know some people do not like the "he is a Celtic man" comments, but maybe that is what we need right now, someone who understand what it means to manage Celtic, has big club experience, and is not afraid to stand up for himself.

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04 Feb 2016 12:49:55
Cesare Prandelli, Marcelo Bielsa, Lucien Favre, Walter Mazzarri, in that order! They're all out of work, very experienced, a good age, and have a great pedigree! I think even one of them would take the job if we made them a good offer, an offer they deserve! I don't want a Keane, a Giggs or Larsson, and I certainly don't want an Owen Coyle or a Neil Lennon! In the name of God, how hard can it be to put aside a few million per year out of the £50/ 60/ 70 million turnover to get a top manager! If only we could swap one for the salary Lawwell, Park and Cole are picking up!

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04 Feb 2016 12:51:38
Moyes, Rogers, Keane, Michael O'Neill and Giggs would no doubt be chucked in straight away with no actual research and then a few more obscure ones would appear until we most likely appoint none of them.

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04 Feb 2016 13:08:01
I personally would love to see Ralf Rangnick from RB Leipzig in Germany he has a great reputation for working with young players he took Hoffenheim from the 3rd division in Germany to the premier league and his oldest player was just 25! He knows how to run a club to as he has been director of football at Salzburg and Leipzig although he has only been the manager of Leipzig for this season he has been the man who behind there amazing rise from the 3rd division to now top of the 1st division in Germany he has been in charge of building a very talented young squad! Everton interviewed him for the job after moyes left and Bill kenwright said he was one of the most amazing men he has met in football.

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04 Feb 2016 14:36:34
I don't know who it would be if we lost RD but I can garuantee that there would be lots of good/ great managers/ coaches in for the job.

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04 Feb 2016 15:06:22
Like the last time Rayman?

Ralf Rangnick is a brilliant shout -- and the best I've heard yet -- but he isn't that different to RD in terms of what he's achieved: and like RD, what RR has achieved wasn't done quickly. It took time. Time that someone clearly won't be afforded by a selection of fans.

Most of the other suggestions range from unrealistic (Moyes) to fanciful (Bielsa) to downright depressing (Coyle/ MacKay) .

In fact, given some of the things said last night about Aberdeen's strengths and our weaknesses, if we were replacing RD we'd be better off going for Derek McInnes.

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04 Feb 2016 10:24:35
Anybody on here knows that I've always been a staunch defender of Ronny but last night just took the biscuit.

I have to stick by guns and give him to the end of the season but if I'm being totally honest I'm not that fussed if he goes now.

Now his philosophy is all good and well and if it was working i'd be delighted. I still think he is the man to develop the kids we have and his ideas of attacking football are fantastic but.

I see a team that has no confidence.
I see a team that lacks leadership.
I see a team still doesn't seem to know how to play to his philosophy after 2 years.
It's all good and well playing well humping teams like Hamilton but when the team looks devoid of any grit against our nearest rivals there's a problem somewhere. Whether it's confidence or not I don't know but it's the management teams job to sort it out and they're not.

I still think we need someone with similar ideas.
I still want our own kids developed and to have a good Scottish base.

The problems we face is:
Who do we get with the constraints of the club now?
Will whoever comes in if Ronny goes be able to work with a bunch of players that have no fight?
We can't afford a clear out of player.

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04 Feb 2016 12:24:44
The world is full of attacking coaches! The difference with Ronny is we can't make more than 5 passes! Like you I loved him, I feel I've been duped though! I think he must have been a PR Guru in a previous life. We already know Peter Lawwell is the biggest pseudo PR Guru that's ever walked the earth! You've just said yourself CMcBhoy that we give teams like Hamilton a doing - how does that equate to us being super attacking, or Ronny being this attacking football pioneer? We can't pass, we don't look fitter or stronger. He never changes anything during a game, he hardly speaks! It's never horses for courses, simply that we play to the one system and should be good enough to win! Well like you said, that system gives Hamilton a doing but struggles against anything remotely decent! The whole thing is incredible!

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04 Feb 2016 13:44:30
Cmc why do you say Ronnie is great at developing the kids? So far I have seen very little to back that up. He won the league at Stromgrast with a young team! So what he is still struggling here. He or PL has told us he can bring through the kids. Ronnie has told us about fitness, attacking style of play, new formations etc. It's all spin. None of that has been delivered so Ronnie has a section of the support backing him because of what he promises not what he delivers. Do you really really really think that he is going to get this team playing this attacking exciting football that will allow us to challenge in Europe. There is no chance. He is conning us. He is great at making everyone believe in his philosophy. Well not me. Look st Hibs beating 3 premier league teams to get to final. Rangers are ahead of them. Next season Rangers, Hibs will be back and we should be miles ahead of both but we are not. There is hardly a difference between us but we have spent millions. They have spent he haw and there is no real difference. The entire club is a mess.

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04 Feb 2016 13:58:28
The sad thing is that as I post these I do it with a heavy heart. I so want his philosophy to pay off but I'm just so torn it's unbelievable. Johnnymac I never said he was great at it, I said I think he is the man for it. Call it a hunch. But right now none of my hunches are paying off. I don't even know why I'm posting because my heads saying one thing and my hearts saying another.

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04 Feb 2016 14:04:28
It's his philosophy I buy into but i'm seeing nothing this year. No movement forward at all. I know we've not had a settled defense etc, I know we were down to 10 men at the weekend but there's just no excuses for what I'm witnessing right now. The lack of fight is frightening, 3 great games against nobody's, then 2 shocking games in important games. I don't think we've won an important game all season. I'm also probably going to contradict myself a lot. I feel like i've got a split personality right now.

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04 Feb 2016 14:37:51
Cmcbhoy I really do admire your support for the manager. I know where you are coming from. For me well I support Celtic. I don't support a player ( loved Larson, Jimmy j, Ronnie Simpson, Murdock, ) and of course big jock. But they all come and go and die. But the club is always there. So I want the best for Celtic. My grandfather went in the 40's, my dad in the 50's and 60's and me from then onwards. I want my boy to be able to follow a successful Celtic and if we as supporters don't demand success it may not come back. So I don't support Ronnie like you do because I don't think he is delivering me the enjoyment I always look for. And I know that he is not going to turn this around. He won't get rid of staff or players who either won't or can't deliver. It's this all in it together crap that he peddles. It's bullshit but it keeps him in a job. We are not all in it together. I pay my money, he picks up £15k a week and so do the players. He and the players will go, you and me will still be there so Ronnie or any other manager, deliver. To Ronnie it's a job. There will be other jobs for him. For you and me there is only one club and it's our club, not his so he had best start doing his job better or he can do one.

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04 Feb 2016 14:55:46
I get all of that Johnnymac, I really do. I've always stuck by my guns, I think it's why this is so hard. I think back to the 90's and remember dreading anytime we met Rangers because it was a given we would get beat. I genuinely though/ think (head and heart) that due to the constraints of the Scottish game, with Rangers dying and with the prices of players nowadays that this was/ is the best way to go. I was so excited about Ronnys way, about the expectations he had for the team, about bringing through younger boys, the way he wanted to play football. This for me was about taking Celtic into a new age, to be self sustaining, to help Scottish football by having more of a Scottish identity. Maybe a fantasist notion but it excited me. But the excitement is dying inside me at the though of The Rangers coming up next year and us being no further forward. If only we could find someone like big Jock eh?

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04 Feb 2016 10:24:23
I have had enough

No CL football, no wins in europa, negative football, out of league cup, aberdeen to go level on points sat. Time to go #deliaout.

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04 Feb 2016 09:46:22
Why are the papers not full of Ronny and his clowns to go today?

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04 Feb 2016 10:16:44
Because ronnie says he sees the talent and not to worry.

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04 Feb 2016 10:39:39
Was he playing FIFA when he said this by any chance Ronnie delusional not Ronnie Delia!

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04 Feb 2016 10:53:34
There does appear to be a disconnect from what we, the fans, see and what the club management tell us we're meant to see. I see promises made with no product. I see endless wastage of fees and wages on players that all appear to have clear limitations before they even sign and then can't give away once the obvious apparent. Yet we are told we can't compete financially. the biggest for me is the football isn't even average to watch.

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04 Feb 2016 11:44:02
wont make a difference imo if the buisness model stays the same, itll be the same list of average players for a new man to look through.

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04 Feb 2016 07:15:28
Haven't posted for a while as I've been silently watching from the sides to see if this excuse of a manager could actually pull it off. He can't. Last night's game reminded me of the European game we played at Murray field. Totally devoid of direction and clueless. We are going backwards.
Last night's game was truly awful. Gordon can't command his six yard box goodness knows how many times he flapped at crosses and his kicking from hand and ground is shocking.
The back four were bullied all night. We don't have a dominating centre half.
Midfield were really poor. Brown struts about trying to act like the midfield enforcer that he isn't. I don't have a clue what Armstrong or GMS are meant to bring to the team. Biton looked sluggish and was robbed of the ball too many times.
Griffiths was is usual self full of energy but again bullied by the back four of Aberdeen as he tried to chase down lost causes.
We have no direction no pace no energy no guile. All we want now is no Deila.

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04 Feb 2016 07:42:44
Im with you lawman, I've always backed rd but now i'm trully at breaking point, not because of the last couple results but the season as a whole . our football is rank, our passion nil, coaching staff depressing, it angers me to boiling point that these imposters on the park are taking us for mugs, on an average day like a lot of folks i work 10 / 12 hours trying my best to keep my customers happy and giving them the best job i can, whilst earning income to look after all the bills and such stuff as season tickets for myself and my girls and these charlatans have the gall to keep putting in these performances and show us no desire or fight to play for our club and support , something really does need changed and soon, depressed this morning but hey ho away for another hard days work.

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04 Feb 2016 08:54:28
Very accurate assessment and there are many of us who have tried to persevere with RD, as it was obvious we needed a new direction.
After recovering from a very difficult initial period when he succeeded NL, we seemed to pick up in January '15 finishing that season in style - however, we seem to have severely went off the rails this season with much more negatives than these positives we hear about and we are very predictable and easy to play against.
Consistent performers of last season have had shocking seasons and no matter what permutation we play at the back with the hapless Gordon, we lose goals left. right and centre, with ease and no amount of 'coaching' or shuffling the back four has made any difference. Failure to properly replace VVD and Denayer was crazy and in fact our whole transfer 'strategy' is baffling and even unsettling.

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04 Feb 2016 10:21:46
Let me start by saying that I have been one of Ronny's biggest supporters right from the start. I have defended him against much criticism and continued to believe he was the right man to take us forward.

While I still believe Ronny has much to offer Celtic, especially in the areas of: player development, coaching, lifestyle coaching and injury management.

I am now starting to think that his time as manager of Celtic should end soon. No longer am I confident that he will be able to get us into the Champions League and I am also starting to doubt whether or not he will even win the league this year.

The only doubt I have over sacking Deila as manager is whether or not the board are going to replace him with someone of substance or will it be someone like Alan Stubbs/ John Hughes/ Jackie McNamara.

My ideal situation would be to move Ronny to head of player development and bring in a new management team. Normally I would not replace manager during the season but I would prefer to get someone in now so they have time to assess the squad and start building for CL qualifiers now.

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04 Feb 2016 12:06:09
My feeling exactly rabmac.

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04 Feb 2016 04:58:45
Hi new poster how long is this balloon going to be aloud to make a mockery of our club.

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04 Feb 2016 04:32:36
Enough is enough. Time for change. Who would you all like to see take over. Moves, maybe Rodgers? What about Jose to the summer? I would like to take look at Rodgers and even Gary monk. He done great job at Swansea until late they sold his only striker (Bony) and never replaced him and that shelvey seemed to be causing big problems in the dressing room.

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04 Feb 2016 01:42:43
1. Gordon looks totally terrified and intimidated at corners, incapable of taking charge

2. Lustig is very failed, should be placed in next window

3. Biton looked totally disinterested, robbed of posession so many times, didn't do much to get it back, he is ok whenC

4 nobody able to put in a half decent cross from either wing.

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04 Feb 2016 01:06:21
Anybody looking forward with anything other than dread if we actually make it to the CL play offs?

We looked inept as soon as they scored. The defence was shambolic at set pieces. The midfield had no guile or class.

Ronnie has been the usual two bob response to real problem from the boardroom spivs shoes bonuses have been awarded for winning a one horse race. Ronnie has took us on a free fall journey that means there are horses everywhere.

If he isn't blootered, taking 90% of his signings, as well as, Mcgreggor, Ambrose, Forrest, Johanson then we will see ourselves drop off an even higher cliff.

But, it's Celtic, we are devoid of ambition, or, I should say, the ten bob spivs are.
EK must be fancying their chances.

Another chapter in a effin boring book about how Celtic are turning into a club with the heart of a shrew and the balls of a fly.

I once new a girl, wasn't it good, Norwegian deadwood

Time for T I M B E R!

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04 Feb 2016 00:59:45
The bigger picture is this, no one at Celtic including many fans are happy for Celtic to wait for sevco as that's as good as they see Celtic will ever be, sorry but I'm not one of them its never been about playing that mob, every fan that pays money into Celtic seriously needs to make a decision, as for me no more I am sick of it 30 years and I have never felt lower I can't see nothing good about the club, what a shame one of the biggest clubs in the world with a die hard support, and this vermin that runs it is going to let it rot away, its not just about tonight's score, the day Lennon left the writing was on the wall that DD and pl was willing to let are club rot till that mob comes back up then all will be good, that's how much they love Celtic fu##ing horrible bas#ards, I would rather be a middle the table team than be run by these parasites any more, they give enough to just get bye and no more, ther only ambition is to ther friends at the top, they care for Celtic as much as c white care for rangers, its a cash cow simple as that and they will not get one more penny from me, Dermot Desmond you will go down in history as the man that held Celtic back your a disgrace.

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04 Feb 2016 00:30:50
I want to know why Scott Brown is escaping any criticism?

I thought people in our support said he was a great leader, motivator, full of energy, passion, and gets us winning matches?

Bollocks, that's what it is. He is one of the biggest problems in this side, the amount of needless silly fouls the guy gives away is astounding.

The new manager that comes in would do well to strip him of the armband and replace him with someone much more competent.

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{Ed007's Note - Brown shouldn't have started tonight but hindsight is a wonderful thing.}

04 Feb 2016 09:06:59
It was obvious after fifteen minutes that he had burnt out and was never ready for such a big game, but that point, kind of moved down the long list of failings and concerns last night.
Of course we needed urgency and fight, but he wasted a lot of energy 'playing to the crowd' and disappeared soon after.
One of the biggest problems for me was the amount of set-pieces we wasted, especially in the first half hour, when we had numerous corners and free kicks but either poor delivery or anticipation and commitment let Aberdeen off the hook.
Brown was a panic move after Sunday to protect the back four, but along with Bitton, it was like papering the Grand Canyon.
There are just too many of that squad that will never be what we once knew as Celtic class and severely lack leadership and direction on and off the park.

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04 Feb 2016 09:16:22
Brown is not fit, that is obvious, and he has been brought back too soon by R.

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04 Feb 2016 09:22:05
Broonie is not fit and it seems like Ronnie has reached desperation stage to shore up a defence which is crap. I agree Ed, he should never have been brought on.
So where to now?
I am no expert and but I don't like what I am seeing right now and some of the weaknesses are blatantly obvious to us the supporters so why can't the board see this. I had doubts about Ronnie and changed due to some fair comments on this forum. I am still prepared to give him a few games to allow his new signings to show what they can do. On past record, I don't hold out too much hope.

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04 Feb 2016 00:16:38
Corbett, barker, any other ronnie but get rid of this clown Asap. have watched celtic for 31 years and the Thought of bringing back John barnes sounds like we, d be getting mourinho compared to ronnie the rocket. bail hail.

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03 Feb 2016 23:44:03
Hi Ed first Time posting texted before not sure if it worked. Do you thing Ronnie will still be in a job if somehow EK beat us at the weekend?

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{Ed007's Note - That's your second first post, you should have quit while you were ahead.}

04 Feb 2016 00:25:58
Yeah i should of sorry was not sure how to post. I do now haha. Btw I'm not hoping for them to lose at the weekend that's the last thing i want.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm pulling your leg, you'll get used to posting. I don't even want to think about getting beat by EK but with Craig Gordon in goal anything can happen.}

04 Feb 2016 00:42:39
He's been shocking this season and only looked good last year because of VVD and Denayer. There has to be a better keeper out there at a good price?

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{Ed007's Note - I said it the minute we signed him. Look back at the amount of big games he's cost us in Europe and at home, we should never have took the risk. It's scandalous that we banked £10 million for Forster and signed an injury ravaged has been for free as a replacement. It was the cheap option again, at least people can't blame RD for that particular massive (swear) up! Signing a replacement GK should be a top priority in the summer, either that or start giving young Fasan a chance to bed in for next season.
We'll continue to struggle in Europe - and lose important games at home - with Gordon as our GK.}

04 Feb 2016 02:14:11
Craig gordan did nothing wrong against aberdeen.

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04 Feb 2016 07:11:50
U must have been watching a different game then paddy. Every corner he flapped and missed the ball. No confidence at all.

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04 Feb 2016 08:36:17
I thought he could of saved jonny hayes shot as well. He just looks nervous all the time.

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04 Feb 2016 09:31:56
Ed, this is my first time posting, since the last one.
You summed it up when you mentioned Gordon. and the EK game. The man is a spectator standing on the goal line WAITING for the opposition to take shots at him. Is he playing 3 and in or what? (for younger readers you used to play street fitba where after 3 goals the person in goal went out and the other guy - or guys- all took a turn in goal)
I had felt big Efe was improving and his sending off was silly and he had been exposed. He is certainly not a great defender though.
Crap goalie, no defence, clueless midfield, lone striker lacking service and manager with no plan B.
Aberdeen (who we have to play again) and Hearts must fancy their chances.
I don't see EK winning but I don't see the thrashing which it should be either.
Still, on the plus side. oh, there isn't one. Ach well H. H.

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04 Feb 2016 09:36:15
Every team in the league can smell blood at corners from us we can't defend them and the fear in Gordon face tell it's own story it funny how all the tall keepers never command their boxes. I fear for us on Sunday never mind the league what's happened wae Cole he has not been on the bench for two weeks then when he does he doesn y get on the park. When RD changed in the second half the team did not know how to play 4 4 2 how far is Rogic and Commons away from being back? And this boy Christie what's going on wae him where is he?

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03 Feb 2016 23:50:03
This is the first season for a long time, that we have lost two or more goals in so many games and it's only the beginning of Feb.
We have never looked comfortable or even competent all season, at the back, even with any combination of Lustig, Boyata, Ambrose, Simunovic, Mulgrew, VVD or Izzaguire and now rely too much on young Tierney.
The style we play encourages a plethera of short passing, light wight, pedestrian, midfielder with very little drive, aggression or pace and opponents can walk right through to our undefended goal.
Width is supplied by a central midfield player and don't get me started on our cowardly-lion right back or gormless goalie.
Amazingly, we are still top of the league and in the Cup and managers don't get sacked for that; right?

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03 Feb 2016 23:45:55
To the fans who support "the bigger picture" and believe in RD, i say this, you are part of the problem now, your continued support of this manager is music to the ears of PL and the board. Even though you now see the damage being done your still willing to stand idly by and watch it happen. You don't want to admit your error and look foolish. Shame on you, Time for change and time to admit that its a failed experiment.

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04 Feb 2016 00:14:21
As always- big suggestions with little ideas.

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04 Feb 2016 00:23:58
Here's a suggestion sack the manger tomorrow, see a timescale as well.

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04 Feb 2016 00:40:25
Was thinking similar on Sunday sitting at Hampden listening to the GB singing their hearts out right till the end. Reminded me of one of my pet hates The tartan army getting horsed but singing their hearts out I.e accepting defeat. Would prefer a bit of disharmony then things might change quicker

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04 Feb 2016 00:45:58
That's exactly my point. Sack RD and what? I keep hearing he must go but no names as to who would take over; no reasons why people think the board, recruiting and fans, would be any different under another manager.

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04 Feb 2016 03:28:41
I will give you a name Moyes, before you mention Man O, Old purple nose brought him in to fail.
He did a Great job at everton.

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04 Feb 2016 06:32:42
Poeticpatient, you have mentioned, not for the first time, that there are no names mentioned as a replacement and that what would really change under a new manager.

As for the names well that's up to the club not for us to scout a possible new manager. As for what would change. well Chelsea couldn't stop losing under Jose, changed their manager and haven't lost in 10 games since he left so i suggest quite a lot can change with a new managers ideas, training methods, tactics, awareness, ability to adjust to situations etc. If your hearts with RD then fair enough but give it a rest that a new manager won't change anything.

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04 Feb 2016 06:54:38
Tpp, you seem to be trolling with smug quips to everyones posts. So please use your superior knowledge, wisdom and wit and at least show us the way forward. You must have the answer to all our clubs problems. Please enlighten us, the poor ordinary fan who dare try to suggest we change things much to your annoyence. Pray tell.

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04 Feb 2016 10:10:22
JB--
I like Moyes - but that just isn't realistic. I would be happy to be wrong - but even if we did, the mechanics of the club won't change. We'd still be dealing in the same world from a recruitment PoV.

G--
I haven't mentioned that at all. I've asked who do people think we will get? What do they think will change? Two completely different things.

As for the rest of your post - you just make my point. It's up to the board to find a manger, it's only up to us to decide when to sack him. And then the merry go round continues. And your JM example is deeply flawed for two reasons. Firstly, all you've shown is that having a world class manager guarantees nothing if the clubs structure is counter productive to him doing his job, and that even in the event of change, this remains the same. That group of players should be well on top but have struggled badly - and since GH arrival, they may not have lost but compare his first ten games with JM last ten. Not much difference in terms of points given that GH has drawn so many.

BB--

As always the hypocrisy runs strong in you. I'm not claiming to know the way forward. You are. I don't have the answer to all our clubs problems. You do. I'm just asking you to share with us what happens after RD is sacked-- a question you avoided I might add, in favour of making this about me.

I'm not an RD apologist - but the hypocrisy and contradictory posts are getting ridiculous. And when someone dares question it, they are a troll who posts smug quips. You'd do well to read your own attempts at such (ie your entire post to me) before calling out others. But again, hypocrisy.

I'm asking questions. Some of you are making statements. Which is more likely to start a debate, and which is more likely to lead to lead down an intellectual dead end?

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04 Feb 2016 10:51:20
no poetic patient you are not asking questions you are constructing straw men arguments. RD position is not tenable. the board may keep the downsizing approach and that will influence who comes into scope to be the next manager. however the real point is that RD is incompetent and it is highly likely another manger could work within the constraints and still achieve a more effective team, that can defend a corner for example. All RD difficulties are not down to the board room the majority of them are down to him being a poor manager? it is a toxic mixture of grandiosity and tactically naivety.

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04 Feb 2016 10:58:20
That's not a straw man argument. Ironically, what you have just done is.

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