Celtic Banter Archive September 03 2015

03 Sep 2015 19:48:34
I do see what brown gives to the team,like sum of the other posters! He does drive the team forward and gets in people's faces! But I also know where Celtic forever is coming from to.for our top earner I just don't think he's good enough to earn that tag! In Europe or against any half decent midfielders he's chasing shadows in a lot of these games! And I've said to my mates for years his passing of the ball is shocking! I don't know how many simple 10 yard passes I've seen him pass to the opposition in his time with us! Think getting rid of him is maybe a bit harsh but I definitely think we would survive without him! This runnin about screaming in people's faces and swaggering about doesn't make u a great player! When I think of mcstay Collins lambert petrov and TB,these guys could all mix it! But they were also great players,which to me brown never has or never will be! Decent player but that's it! And there's a reason he's never went down south! And it's not for the love of Celtic! It's because he would get found out really kwikly down there! Ki Ledley wanyama! 3 players who for me are miles ahead of brown talent wise! Even biton and rogic are ahead of him for me.i know some won't like it and Browns seen as a Celtic ledgend,just don't see it myself!

03 Sep 2015 21:18:10
Dh88, so refreshing to read a fellow supporter who seems to know where I'm coming from in regards to Brown, from the moment in your post where you wrote 'But I also know where celtic forever' and to the bottom of your post I found myself constantly nodding my head in agreement(apart from the decent player bit haha, slightly above average domesticially for me at best just imo)and couldn't really have put it better myself.

It seems to me a lot of the time if you criticise Brown then your not really a Celtic fan, absolute nonsense. I'm not being rude but I feel people in our support are so disillusioned with the guys character 'the broony' etc that they fail to look at his lack of ability with the football or tend to and want to ignore it, it's not the popular thing to say when it's so obvious to the select few not sucked in by his broony character and want to see players who do things with the football. I mean getting in folks grills trying to antagognise the opposition by screaming in faces etc, I mean who honestly couldn't do that out there in the stands? It's the ability with the football where most folk in the stand lack and that's what Brown lacks also.

As you say there's a reason guys like Brown, Stokes and Mulgrew haven't moved South and the same could be said for maybe even Forrest also, it's that they would get found out down there and wouldn't make it in the EPL(They're not the only ones though, GMS, Griffiths and the likes would be the same for me. Whereas I think Bitton could cut it down there for example, you can just tell through their ability on the ball and how much they step up in Europe.

Brown, Mulgrew, Stokes and similar get it good at Celtic and they know where there bread is buttered on decent wages they would not get elsewhere, it's exactly why Stokes didn't push for a move even though he knows Ronny doesn't rate him, he's on £12K a week I hear and knows he would get that elsewhere and he's still got two years left. If they were good enough they'd simply be off like all the others, nowt to do with their love of Celtic they get it easier in our league as that's more their level and that shows when they have to step it up a bit in Europe and they look like fish out of water getting ripped to shreds, if an EPL team came in for them with a 4 year deal on £30K a week or whatever they'd be off tomorrow, no one wants them though, funny that. These same players had guys like Wanyama, Ledley, Matthews, Lustig(when fit), Forster, Hooper, Van Dijk and a few others to make them look good and cover for them a bit over the last few years, now that most of these players are gone and the focus is more on them they are getting badly exposed.

03 Sep 2015 22:19:09
Every team needs a Brown, a leader on the pitch who sets the tempo in terms of workrate, passion and desire. Even Barcelona have a 'Brown' in Mascherano and previously Puyol. Guys who aren't the best techincally but want to win 10 times more than anyone else on the pitch. Roy Keane being another example of a 'Brown'. Broony is the heartbeat of our team, we aren't half as good when he doesn't play, you only have to look at our results with and without him last season to see that. Rewatch the League Cup Semi final win against them back in January and you'll see what he brings to the team. One of the best individual performances I've ever seen from a player in the Hoops. I fully expect him to be a standout tomorrow night too

03 Sep 2015 22:28:06
Honest to God, I give up, thankfully you pair don't manage us. Who in your mind is our most important player?

03 Sep 2015 22:45:22
Lm67 u seriously just compared brown with Roy keane!! Did u actually watch Keane play a game of football! He could pass tackle score and lead! Behave urself mate! And as far as the league cup semi! One of the best individual performances from a Celtic player! Against Ian black! Dear oh dear mate! Lol.and where was our fearless leader and guy who wants to win 10 times more than anybody else in Malmo?? I'm just giving my opinion mate! I've said yes he adds drive and gets the opposition riled up! But if u watch any game he plays,especially against decent players he chases shadows! And he is by far one of the worse passers of a ball I've ever seen! Really good players don't have to run about like a mad man all over the place! They let the football do the work!

03 Sep 2015 23:11:07
Bitton is a better and more important player for a start, at least he's an actual footballer who was watched by both AC Milan and Tottenham tonight supposedly when he was playing for Israel, I wonder what big clubs will be watching Brown and Mulgrew for Scotland waiting to put in bids? Fecking no one. Its not about who's our most important player Jbhoy it's about the team, do you honestly think we would collapse as a side if we didn't have Brown playing? You're deluded imo if you do, and don't try and bring up last year without him for the CL Qualifiers as Ronny played fecking Mulgrew in the middle ahead of Bitton ffs and was just in the door. We had him this year and we seen exactly what he brought and we're in the same position as last year failing to make the CL Group Stages again, we need a new direction and that means a new captain and a new way forward in the middle of the park. It's not just Malmo it's the years and years of his pish football in the middle of the park. I must ask why you want a player in the side who constantly wastes possession?

See this is what I mean LM67, guys like you even mentioning guys like Mascherano and Puyol in the same breath, WTF? Both those players are actual decent footballers who could play football. Get and effing grip of yourself, how can be such a leader and motivator when he's been part of so many effing failures for us in the past. What about ALL the cup failures and exits? What about aganst Malmo, where was he when we needed him most? We don't need him to beat Inverness and the likes we need him to stand up and be counted in games such as Malmo and he was poor as always on the European stage.

I simply cannot believe you've have just brought up him playing decent against Newco an effing championship 2nd division side against one of the worst teams I've seen us play against, he was up against Ian effing Black and Nicky bloody Law, have you actually read what you've just posted too try and back your point up? Absolutely laughable and exactly the type of response I'd expect from a Broony backer. Also, one of the best individual performances you've seen in a Celtic shirt? Get an effing grip of yourself man, honestly mate I can't believe you've just said that laughable again.

As I've said before all this pish about 'workrate, passion and desire' is a pile of myth pish, where was this when we needed it most against Malmo the other night in our biggest game of the season? Non-existant, just like his football ability.

04 Sep 2015 00:01:56
Celtic forever you are only talking to yourself now mate, you have a view fair enough I happen to think it is little more than a personal bias, and certainly not based on a knowledge of football. perhaps you might consider giving brown credit as opposed to lauding a load of players who were looking for a transfer almost tHe moment they arrived through the door (Ledley excepted). I hope he has a good game tomorrow particularly if he again captains his country

04 Sep 2015 00:20:09
I'm deluded, do you remember when he was out injured, we struggled big time.
So Milan, or whoever watched Biton, and he went to Celtic, I think your the deluded one.
I'm saying no more than this as I've wasted enough time on it, fact is Brown is a big player for us on and off the pitch.

04 Sep 2015 00:28:40
Okay mate I'll give him credit he'd be great in a stare off competition to see who blinks first.

Nothing personal mate just don't rate the guy and think he's a poor football player. Anyone with a shred of football knowledge would see he's a poor footballer which is why there are no sides ever sniffing around him.

Do you honestly think that if Brown had the same ability as Wanyama for example and had an EPL club calling giving him a significant rise in salary and playing against decent sides week in week out in comparison to our own league that he'd still be here down to loyalty? I'm afraid to say you're deluded if you feel that way. He's here for the same reason Stokes and Mulgrew still are, they've found their level and know it ain't going to get better than this wages and league wise for them. Any more of a step up and they'd get found out, just as they do in Europe for us.

Don't forget as well it's pretty well known the only reason he chose us over Oldco was all about money, that's all it's ever ben about to Brown and most footballers tbh. He was all set to join them as he wanted to team up with his Hibs buddies Steven Whitaker and Kevin Thomson and was being offered supposedly £20K a week at Oldco, we then came in and offered £30K a week and in a flash the deal was sealed, it was only ever about money for Brown, just as it is today as he sits on his overinflated salary which he shouldn't be on as he isn't value for money. Also, if you look at the amount of folk that agree with the OP by Dh88 I wouldn't say I was the only one who agrees.

04 Sep 2015 01:05:52
Knowing how many 10 yard passes he gives away! of course he makes mistakes but who's the guy everybody in the team passes to when they can't get another pass your absolutely deluded if u do t realise how much of an integral part of our team he is! As jbhoy says when he was injured the team was a complete mess! Brown and bitton are two totally different types of players it was the same when Lennon played and our fans didn't realise how integral he was to our team at the time! I'm proud to have him as our captain!

04 Sep 2015 10:51:18
I agree I do think brown has his strong points but when we step up a level he struggles to have an influence in the game

He has little techniqal ability when he recieves the ball it takes him an extra touch to get the ball under control,which give the opposit team time to close down his options hence why his passing is so poor (also think there a few other players have the same fault,this is how our attacks breaks down)

I agree he chases shadows aganst better technical players.this is when he get frustrated and gets in peoples faces so the fans will love him for agression rather than ability

Celtic are changing their style and getting better at possesion football and to many times it breaks down around brown

I can understand the camparison wiv keane and if a mananger like ferguson had of got brown earler in his carrier and improved his technical ability and passing he would be similar to keane

But think he is to set in his ways now and I don't think he will ever reach his potential although he is great in the spl and does have the odd good match in europe

04 Sep 2015 10:09:01
I said they were examples of Brown type player's, I didn't say he was in the same class as them. The reason I mentioned the semi against them was because you keep saying he doesn't turn up in big games! Which is nonsense, as proven that day. But naw you must be right, he's a terrible player, that's why he's captain of Celtic and Scotland! Ed what's your opinion on this? Is Brown holding us back or is he the heartbeat of our team?

{Ed007's Note - Of course he's the heartbeat of the team, you only need to see the difference when he's not playing, every player can't be a Ronaldo. He seems to be the target of the justified wrath for the disgraceful performance in Malmo and as captain that's part of the job. For me personally that was the worst performance I've even seen from Brown, anyone who reads these pages knows how I feel about him but he didn't suddenly become a bad player during the nightmare in Malmo.
Every single player on that park needs to have a long hard look at themselves and decide if they have the hunger desire to play for CFC.
I think it's unfair to single Brown out considering the performances he's put in over the years for us and every player that was out there is equally responsible for not turning up.}

04 Sep 2015 14:00:51
If you look at the Inverness match a couple of weeks ago, as soon as Brown went off our performance dropped dramatically, it was the same on Saturday against St Johnstone.
I'm not saying Brown is the best footballer around, but you don't see such a drop in performance if Biton or Rogic get taken off.
Football teams need a balance between steel and flair, Brown helps to give us a bit of steel, there may be better players of his type out there, but I think given Celtic's budget, I can't see who would do a better job.

04 Sep 2015 15:13:58
I undestand he's very important to the team atm.his breaking up of other teams attack and energy is great. but I feel his energy needs to be focused SOMETIMES. off the ball he's great but on the ball is where his game is not good enough for a team that is being based around possesion football

03 Sep 2015 17:17:31
I'm a bit mystified at the callings for brown to be dropped or moved on. Are you forgetting his position and role at our club? He's not in the team to make cutting edge passes or gracefully dribble his way through teams or even take the 30yard shot that hits the crossbar and bounces into the net. His role is to be the leader. Bollock players for not doing their jobs or motivated players to do better. His position is simply to break up play, hassle the opposition and cover his CBs. How many times has he chased back and put in a slide tackle that stopped a goal scoring opportunity. How many times has he outmuscled players in the middle of the park. All players have their flaws Browns was and sometimes still is his temper.

Personally I want him to be at Celtic till the day he decides to call it a day. He's good for the club and will be good around the club when his legs give up

03 Sep 2015 18:29:16
He needs moved on pronto he's holding players back and not letting Ronny put his own stamp on the side by selecting his own captain.

Leader? LEADER!? Motivate and bollock players?

HAVE YOU WATCHED HIM IN OUR MASSIVE GAMES!?

What's the point in breaking up play when you just give away possession straight away again? Outmuscled? He gets made a foo out of in Europe for us every game he plays near enough.

I've stated before he is far from a leader and a terrible captain, he's been part of all our cup game failures down the years and there's too many to mention, where was he to be the leader, motivator and bollock his team mates to get their finger out their backsides along with his own on these occasions? Where was he to motivate our team when we could have won the league at Ibrox? Where was he to motivate us when all we had to do was avoid defeat at Inverness to win the league? Where was he to motivate us us against Malmo recently? Absolute myth rubbish which you can't back up, as I said anyone could have captained our side to our titles these last few years. You can't say that's a great leader whose been involved in ALL those FAILURES as captain, no chance.

We need a new direction and that means getting a new captain and moving the 'old guard' out the door'. The only reason we still have guys like Mulgrew, Brown, Stokes and some others is because no one wants to come in and offer some money for them so we're stuck with them.

03 Sep 2015 21:33:01
What massive games did he fail us in, and before you use Malmö tell me a player that had a good game.
I feel your making this Hugh keevins like post based on the Malmö game, the fact is were a better team when he plays, and a worse team when we don't.
Rogic, what do you base the praise he gets on, hope? There is obviously a reason why managers don't pick him in the big games.

04 Sep 2015 12:49:59
Failed us in all our cup failures over the years Jbhoy, his job to motivate the team to win these matches and he failed in multiple occasions.
Failed in getting himself needlessly sent off for kicking Neymar.
Failed for conceding a needless free kick in which Milan then scored from.
I will us Malmo in fact, that was our most important game of the season, it was his job to motivate the team on the park and he failed to do so, worse of all though he failed in even trying to motivate himself and was poor, unacceptable as the highest paid player at the club and of a captain.

Effing open your blinkered Brown eyes man.

Rogic is just back from injury and by all accounts Ronny rates him highly and so he should, Rogic has started more games than Brown domestically this season starting in four out of our six matches so don't really see where your coming from on Rogic there. Willing to bet Rogic would play better than Brown in the middle of the park against better opponents if he got the chance there, sadly simply because Brown is captain Ronny feels compelled to play him even though deep down due to his poor ability on the ball he'd rather not.

04 Sep 2015 13:01:19
The thing wrong with the way the team played against Malmo,was RDs team selection and team tactics,Brown was'nt the only one who had a bad game,blaming Brown for letting the team down is missing the point,the one responsible for the whole debacle is Ronnie and he's the one who has to move his ideas on pronto,and stop being an idealist and start being a realist.

04 Sep 2015 18:00:50
Why is everyone getting on broonys back ok he has a poor couple of games but what about our winger shooders. He done nothing for years but no one gets on his case.

03 Sep 2015 15:33:42
Why not sign samaras till end of season,pay when he plays.

03 Sep 2015 16:42:26
I can't see RD signing a player who doesn't work hard enough off the ball, is there any other free agent CF we could sign?

03 Sep 2015 14:04:40
If we did replace Ronny who would people suggest.

I realise he has messed up in previous teams but I still think there is a manager in Roy Keane, he can attract players and is very positive about Celtic.

03 Sep 2015 14:51:45
Get a grip!

03 Sep 2015 16:19:37
I know the OP was an IF. And I know people can start whatever threads they like (within reason). But I really don't think we should be lighting a touch paper just yet with possible replacements.

RD definitely has another season at least to show. All I will say is that IF we look for changes at coaching level RD should at least get to pick his own backroom staff, or stay on at some capacity perhaps take a step back to first team coach behind an older tactician, or be made football development coordinator or whatever.

03 Sep 2015 16:35:06
Paul lambert

03 Sep 2015 16:46:47
This is ridiculous!

03 Sep 2015 17:40:31
There is no chance of a change in manager, unless we make a 'Santa Claus' of the whole season and win less than last year.

03 Sep 2015 19:18:42
I would prefer a New Board not a manager PL makes more cash than any player.If we had made The Champions League as sure as yer a$$ has a hole in it he would have been "Strutting Around" like a prize peacock ( It's took time but the majority of FANS are seeing thru the prize cock!)/. Hopefully at some point he can take Commons,Stokes,Ambrose Mulgrew,Even Izzy & Forrest with Him!!All Lennon's 1st team 11 should be gone apart from Brown,Rojic,& Hopefully Gordon(a good shot stopper but Woeful at corners,high balls& positioning at times).

04 Sep 2015 13:03:46
Lennons team consistently reached the CL and knew how to defend. This team at present is miles off what we were 3 yrs ago and it's only going to get worse. I think Ronny needs to grow a pair and tell lawell and co that if they don't spend some proper money on decent players he is off and then we won't have a hope of any type o decent manager. We need improvements fast or we will just b a diddy team in a diddy league

{Ed007's Note - Neil Lennon failed in his first two attempts to qualify for the CL and and in his second attempt (2013-14) we conceded 14 goals in the 6 Group Stage matches, hardly a defensive record to be proud of is it 3 point and a -11 goal difference. In 2010-11 under NL we were knocked out the CL qualifiers by Braga and the EL by Utrecht so we had no European football at all.
NL was in charge of CFC for 4 complete seasons, where did he consistently reach the CL and know how to defend? Weren't we all moaning about zonal marking when NL brought it in?
If you want to compare something it's best to stick to the facts.}

03 Sep 2015 09:01:34
Ed does blackett have a purchase after loan options . I am sure I read it somewhere, but everywhere now seems to say it's a loan only. because am sure I read we can buy him for 3 million.

{Ed007's Note - Man Utd have never mentioned any option to buy, it looks like it's something someone's made up to cover the fact that it's nothing more than another cheap option loan signing and more money down the drain whilst not really addressing the problems in the squad.}

03 Sep 2015 14:24:15
I don't understand signing thus blackett guy when we had oconnell who looked the part.

03 Sep 2015 15:01:25
Exactly, if there is no option to buy then I'll be extremely disappointed as it looks to me this guy has been brought in to challenge and displace Izzy but if he's not going to be purchased permanantly with a chance of being here next year then wtf is the point? It's not as if he's going to bring the same class as Denayer as he is nowhere near his quality and calibre.

{Ed007's Note - Marcel Halstenberg is still the main target for the LB slot. We will try again in January with a bid or at the least the offer of a pre-contract for next summer. I did say a while back that if we failed with the Halstenberg move this summer I could see a loan coming in but I thought it would have been perhaps an older more experienced player.
I am totally against CFC helping to develop other team's players rather than our own, I said it when we were loaning Forster, I said it when we loaned Denayer and I said it when we were fobbed off with players like Tonev etc.
We need to produce and develop our own players instead of being seen as a reserve side for some EPL club's youngsters.}

03 Sep 2015 15:20:19
ED, Marcel Halstenberg signed for RB Leipzig a day or two before the window closed.

03 Sep 2015 15:51:23
I thought Halstenberg signed for Leipzig for 3 million Euro on deadline day?

03 Sep 2015 16:44:25
Btw halstenberg won't be coming in as he's just signed leipzig mate, to be honest I like ed couldn't give a monkeys who celtic sign anymore, I've got to a certain age to realise although i'll always love my club but its not the be all in my life its not even so important to me now. The people that are running/pilliging my club don't give a damn about me my family(who all have st for years) or you, whilst this regime are still in charge I won't put one thin dime into the club. changes are needed now. sack the board sack the board sack the board

03 Sep 2015 21:18:43
All our young players look the part. Trouble us none if them actually end up being the part. Not if our team anyway. Hibs, Kilmarnock, StMirren and the other wee diddy teams.

It's like a never ending sausage machine of sausages that burst when things heat up.

We produce less talent than a Bowling Club entertainment committee. That's pretty bad.

03 Sep 2015 10:34:39
Just a question but with the lack of options up front would you like if we resigned sammy even just for the season? Not sure if its too late for the europa squad though

03 Sep 2015 13:48:38
Sammy was celtic number 9 for 7 years am I right. Did he ever score more than 10 league goals In a season. He played the odd good game in Europe and one good old firm game and earned a lot of money from the club. He has been found out everywhere he has went but for some reason celtic seemed to give him contract after contract. The guy was rotten and because our board have no ambition to take the club forward some fans are getting so desperate they are wanting to take a massive step back. I don't mean this as a dig at you mate your prob as peed of as everyone else, but sammy is no more the answer now than he was it his ( and I use the term loosely) "PEAK".

03 Sep 2015 13:55:36
We have , hopefully better options now than before the window . Sceptovic had shown to everyone concerned that he neither had the interest or ability to do a job for us .
I liked the bigGreek when he was with us , but I don't want to have to listen to , or read the a use that he attracted when he was here in his prime .

03 Sep 2015 14:25:09
When we brought back Bertie to our great club it coincided with a move towards better times with good haircuts included. Bringing back Sammy wi that lank mop with logic applied would surely not be so good for our clubs future exploits. The bhoy Auld was class altho the gnashers were not his stongest feature.

03 Sep 2015 14:57:00
Samaras was a good out ball nothing more. Striker? Never

03 Sep 2015 14:58:16
Old Bhoy I don't want to read a lot of the nonsense you put up but that's the joys of a forum. I wasn't abusing sammy I was giving my opinion on his career to someone else on the forum I wasn't at a match or in the street abusing him. The guy in my opinion done very little to deserve 7 years on a top contract and my opinion on that will never change. That's not abuse that's an opinion.