Celtic Banter Archive May 03 2016

 

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03 May 2016 20:51:41
Read a lot of stuff today about Brown on here and in the rags. Hardworking player with great passion when he's on form but I do think that's as far as it goes. In my opinion, one of Celtic's biggest losses in recent years has been Joe Ledley. Can't remember him having many bad games. Versatile player with an eye for goal, had him as Brown's natural successor. Real loss to the team and we have easily got 10 midfield players just now that aren't worth one of him.

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03 May 2016 21:08:38
If take big vic before joe, however I would take joe before brown.

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03 May 2016 22:14:42
Brown has been the driving force of the team and it is clear how important he is considered to the current side when he has played only partially fit throughout the league run in. He has been and will be vital to us again next season. I also think Ledley was a terrible loss particularly as he didn't want to leave, he was fantastic at controlling the tempo of the game and could chip in with important goals.

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03 May 2016 22:47:05
Gout64, I am not sure about Ledley not wanting to leave, even though he said that he wanted to stay . He came on a free with a decent signing on fee and I think he intended to leave on a free .
He was a good reliable hard working mid fielder, probably the best box to box midfielder we have had for years and a very good partner for Scot Brown.

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04 May 2016 00:35:15
Grout64 your right about Ledley. He wanted to sign a years extension, whereas PL was trying to railroad him into a 2 year.

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05 May 2016 00:29:12
DN 30 Surely u cannot criticise P L for wanting to sign up Ledley for two yrs or more . Surely the reason Ledley was insisting on the one ye was because he wanted to leave for free . You prove the point.

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{Ed007's Note - Ledley initially signed on top dollar because he was a free and there was no way CFC could improve his deal under the wage structure, as soon as that was clear he was always going to leave. Cracking player right enough.
It was similar with Adam Matthews although he never hit the heights of Ledley he was a solid enough player when fit but there was no room to offer an improved deal.
Here's one for you, Chris as I am feeling philosophical. When you look at those 2 deals I've mentioned did our recruitment plans alter slightly after that, did PL expect their value to rocket and make a packet after a year or two (although we did get circa £3m for Ledley) and when it didn't and they walked he decided young Bosmans weren't the way to go after being burned twice?
He had a pay the decent fee, £20k a week wages, 2 years later we've got 2 players worth £6,7,8-10 million each plan and it didn't work, he got what £5m (for the 2??) considering the wages, bonuses etc he paid out I can't see it have being a fruitful excercise.
We've all listed decent quality Bosman's yet rarely get even linked with them, we buy a guy at £1.5 m on £520k a year and you'll sell him him for a good profit or at least get some money back. You sign a player, no transfer fee so a hefty signing on fee and £20k wages, you're waiting that long for a big bid to come in you end up losing him for a couple of mill nominal fee January or hee haw in June. I know there training compensation now but I hope I made it clear what I was meaning.}

03 May 2016 12:33:07
A few names I'd be happy with if the board signed from the Dutch Eredivisie would be Hakim Ziyech from Twenty 17 goals 10 assists 71.6% pass percentage very creative player being scouted by a lot of the big clubs. Also yoyng Vitesse RB Kevin Diks is statistically one of the top RBs in the Dutch league at 19 years old both would be worth a lot in a few years and fit this policy and neither are projects they're already good.

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03 May 2016 12:42:49
Both great young players. Good shouts. Definitely a league I'd be happy with us shopping in. Ziyech was linked with us in jan but I didn't even take it seriously. But if we get in first for players like this I don't see why we can't lure them to us.

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03 May 2016 13:31:41
We seem to be able to offer better money than the Dutch league so don't see why not as you say get in early. Think Ziyech would be the marquee signing think he might cost a few bob.

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03 May 2016 14:14:11
£6m was the figure being mentioned at the time I think mate. There was some big clubs in big leagues linked as well mind. But we shouldn't be afraid to make a bid for players. I just get the impression with Celtic at times that they are almost afraid of getting turned down for other offers, whereas the loser isn't the one that tries and fails, the loser is the one that doesn't try for fear of failing. After all, we've been told that if the club can see value in a £6-8m player, they'll do it. That was two and a half year ago. Either PL was downright talking BS to us or JP can't find a decent player. And it's a shame you can.

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03 May 2016 15:36:37
Well even with that fee there will still be profit as we could possibly double that. Half the time these quotes put us off then in the end they go to some average team for a lot less. Like we was quoted £4m for Kara Mbodj then he ended up going to Anderlecht for £2.25m.

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03 May 2016 15:50:45
Another player in the Dutch league CDM Rico Strieder from Utrecht is a really good player and won't cost much either.

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03 May 2016 18:06:56
Always amazes me how we all know so many players and managers from umpteen different leagues.

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03 May 2016 19:03:11
I'd rather keep lustig and drip feed young wardrop or ralston into first team at right back.

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03 May 2016 19:04:37
In January we were linked with a winger called Santos who plays for NEC, All the guys at my work in Rotterdam rated him and expect him to end up in England.

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03 May 2016 22:52:27
Jim How do you know whether Celtic have made bids for £6-£8m players in recent seasons . It's not likely that the MSSM would report Celtic bidding in that field and as Celtic rarely speak about any prospect before deal is near enough sealed.

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04 May 2016 00:36:44
The one we missed out on from Dutch league, Michiel Kramer. Would of been prolific.

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04 May 2016 10:06:48
Well I'm not certain sbout that chris, but we haven't signed one, and they're not exactly rare.

Kramer was mentioned by several people on here also, hit the ground where he left off this season too.

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04 May 2016 12:20:38
The players mentioned in this post Camp Bhoy are from one league not umpteen! They're merely just hopeful suggestions of who would be a good signing. I suppose you're one of these brainwashed fans that thinks we already have an amazing squad when half of them aren't good enough to be warming the bench.

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03 May 2016 02:17:23
Just looking at players to be out of contact in the EPL. CB Mariappa wouldn't be a bad signing on a free he has always been highly regarded, Also at 31 now Sessegnon wouldn't ba bad signing either always rated him as a player and would score for fun in SPL.

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03 May 2016 06:50:29
Valdes/ Mandanda

Tomovic/ Vlaar

Martin Montoya

Andre Carrillo

Pizzaro

I'd be happy with any of those on bosmans. Tried too keep them relatively realistic.

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03 May 2016 08:16:59
Yeah and everyone would want atleast 40 grand a week.

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03 May 2016 09:32:33
Well I don't see why we shouldn't start paying a few players in key areas 30-40k a week. Instead of 3 players on 15k. Especially given there's no main transfer fee. I wouldn't expect to get one never mind all them anyway.

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03 May 2016 12:13:02
I doubt Pizarro and Values will want 40k a week I think Values is 34 and Pizarro 36 or something will be a good short term fix. Wouldn't mind Vlaar either or any of them haha.

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03 May 2016 19:03:06
Claudio Pizzaro is at least 37 years old, there are good targets in the Dutch league, but they can be a hit or a miss at times, heard good things about Hyech not so much about the Vitesse right back, if we want to sign any more midfield players we need a good redd out first, starting with Bitton and Johansen to bring in extra revenue .

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03 May 2016 22:55:08
It would be absolute bonkers to pay a new player in his late 30's £40k per week . Any of these players would jump at it, but would they bother jumping at the ball.

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03 May 2016 00:49:07
Read up on what Celtic first team squad players earn.

Brown £25000
Lustig £24000
Boerigtter £24000
Izaguirre £21000
Griffiths £18000
Commons £18000
Ambrose £17000
Blackett £15000
Kazim Richards £15000
Forrest £14000
Boyata £14000
Mulgrew £14000
Johansen £12500
Bitton £12000
Sviatchenko £12000
Allan £9000
Janko £8000
Simunovic £8000
Gordon £8000
Cole £8000
Armstrong £8000
Mackay Steven £8000
Bailly £8000
Mcgregor £7500
Roberts £5000
Christie £4000
Tierney £3000
Rogic £3000
Fasan £2500

Think Griffiths Rogic and Tierney all deserve a decent pay rise. God knows what Stokes and Scepovic are on but surely with all the deadwood gone we will save £150000 a week on wages. With decent backing for the new manager £8m-£10m (Surely realistic with new sponsors/ sevco revenue) we could have a really good team next season.

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03 May 2016 05:57:03
I'd always thought Commons was top earner with Brown after his new deal? Anyway, if we do manage to ship on plebty there then aye, you're right. 3-4 players on more than 25k.

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03 May 2016 07:10:37
If that lists correct then its actually frightening that Browns on 25 grand! No wonder he's so eager to stay at Celtic for the rest of his career!

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03 May 2016 09:45:27
I'm not going to slag off Brown too much after one bad season following being our best player over a nearly a decade, but to put it into perspective, that's more than the average wage in La Liga.

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03 May 2016 10:28:50
Browns been our best player for over a decade? Hmmm!
I honestly don't believe that's the wages of izzy and ambrose.

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03 May 2016 10:48:11
Jimtim i am a fan of brown but no way would i say he has been our best player for over a decade.
Not when we have had guys like nakamura Jan vennegor Barry Robson Paul hartley wee Scott McDonald and leigh Griffiths
Brown has been a very important but otherwise not the best.

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03 May 2016 11:49:23
Over nearly a decade. 9 years if we're being fussy. And I meant over the course of it, in terms of constistency etc, not that he has been our best player in that time. Probably struggling to phrase it. Anyway, Paul Hartley and Barry Robson don't even come close given they made basically 1/ 5th of his appearances.

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03 May 2016 12:21:12
This was an article posted by Daily Mail I think. I imagine Stokes must be on about 18k and Scepovic at least 15k seeing as he didn't want to sign in the first place. Ciftci maybe 10k so if Stokes, Ciftci, Cole, Scepovic and possibly even CKR was punted that would be about 66k a week wages saved and replaced with 2 decent strikers on top end wages will keep PL happy. All the recent signings wages just shows you how much Celtic have downsized compared to the players that's been there longer.

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03 May 2016 12:40:57
Both hartley and Robson were better player jimtim. Does matter how long the were here.

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03 May 2016 12:46:31
Everyone keeps talking about getting rid punting or binning players but there is 2 problems with that.
1 the player has to agree to leave
2 another club has to want them.

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03 May 2016 14:02:29
More than debatable that kev even saying that. Ok, if I phrase it: over the past decade the player who has contributed the most is Scott Brown. I'm not having any other answer to that sorry. The best footballer we've had over the past decade however, I'd be split between Naka and Robbie Keane.

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03 May 2016 14:14:40
any player who refuses to leave simply so they can pick up a pay check must have his contract terminated immediately, Finding someone who wants them is the biggest problem. Although most of the players mentioned would find a club in Europe willing to have them if free, clubs willing to spend on these players will be few and far between.

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03 May 2016 16:10:11
Depends what you mean by con tributes jimtim.
Game time ye but naka scored and created goal the whole time he was there. Championship winning goals
Champions league goals and old firm goals.
Same with skippy and Jan the man and Barry Robson.

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03 May 2016 16:19:01
Dundee Bhoy the whole point of getting rid of these players is to free up wages for other players.
Pay them off doesn't free the wage up

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03 May 2016 16:36:39
I just think that over the past decade he's contributed the most lol. Probably due to the fact he's by far the longest serving player admittedly, but you can't take anything away from him for that.

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03 May 2016 17:12:26
OMG it astounds me on this site that people are arguing over Scott Brown when just below him BOERIGGTER £24000 a week really come on guys.

Hope your well ed not posted in ages but i'm absolutely taken aback by the figures originally posted

The Happy Turnkey.

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{Ed007's Note - It's nice to hear from you. I'm doing fine thanks.}

03 May 2016 17:13:39
Jim Tim Scott Browns been our best player! Haha your joking aren't you! Ledley wanyama van dijk hooper forrster naka are just a few that brown couldn't lace there boots! In my opinion he's been lucky to have been playing for a club like ours never mind being the captain!

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03 May 2016 17:31:48
thats the problem Celtic should have plenty of money banked and if we don't some serious questions need to be asked. The point is or should be we will not tolerate free loaders if your at Celtic your here to work and give your all if not you will be sold and if you refuse to move or no one wants you we will terminate your contract, then see if these average players give the same effort as this season. Or are you happy to pay derk 9k per minute of playing time? Or even have players like ambrose or Forrest in the squad picking up your yearly salary in a week yet not getting a game or giving there all?

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03 May 2016 17:36:00
Do you really see any of the players in our squad getting offered a better deal somewhere else kev? (If you do I happen to have some left handed hammers for sale £10 each) and there not exactly going to move for less money even if the club accept an offer why would/ should they? . The only way we will get rid of most off our surplus players is to loan them out and eventually they will leave for free.

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03 May 2016 19:05:27
Lol, these salary figures were from the daily t*ts and arse who based them on Football manager? . Ooffttt! Pmsl.

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03 May 2016 20:11:42
Hello beav. Over the course of 10 years, absolutely I am saying that. You name me one player who comes close to 9 years decent service. I don't need to go any more into it really. If you've read what I've said, and even tried to reiterate, it's got to make sense. It's not even open to debate really. What am I dealing with here?

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03 May 2016 20:59:38
If those figures are correct which I've got my doubts then we must rank as the most highly paid under achieving team in Europe. Those figures work out at roughly 1.3 million a month in players wages alone What do we get for winning Spl 2 million ? Huge outlay for such a small prize

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03 May 2016 22:05:44
Jim Tim go back to your earlier post pal, u said brown has been our best player for nearly a decade! Nothing about 9 years decent service! U said best player, which not in a million years is he even close to! He's not even the best midfielder of the past 9 years never mind anything else!

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03 May 2016 22:18:43
How many times does Jim need to clarify his point before you get it?

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03 May 2016 22:58:42
I was interested in the table until I saw it was published in the Daily Mail and suddenly for some reason I started to doubt it .

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03 May 2016 23:04:01
Jim Jim I think the thing about Brown is his consistency, season after season he would always be a top three or at worse a top four player every season.

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04 May 2016 00:39:48
I know first hand Ambrose is on £10000 a week. Bound to be a few more errors in this thread.

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04 May 2016 11:44:18
That's not what I said Beav. I'm outtie.

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04 May 2016 12:43:06
That's not what u said! Eh aye Ye did! U said brown has been our best player for nearly a decade! Go back and look. that's not what i said! Haha!

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04 May 2016 12:29:57
I'd say most are accurate I did get a shock at Ambroses wage as well as Boerigtters and 15k for a loan player that's barely kicked a ball. Ed have we managed to punt Derk yet?

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{Ed007's Note - He was paid off and returned to Holland last month.}

 
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