Celtic Banter Archive May 03 2012

03 May 2012 23:19:03
It's all about transactions at market value, the administrators have to get market value for the trade and assets of old rangers from New co, I think due to the very public way this has been conductedthat few could argue that this is market value since it is a sale between arms length willing buyer and willing seller. I think that part of the transfer unfortunately in this business world of ours is fine. That said 'old co' would have to then retake the assets at a later date in order to retain the history etc. That part is again fine if a cva has been agreed but who owns old co? Mr whyte, so the whole plan hinges on old co cva and whyte giving up shares in old co, New co does not have to honour any catering or similar contracts though if there are fixed charges on say kitchen equipment or big screens they could go rip them out. Educated but not prolific nor qualified insolvency roundup, shameful yes legal yes, possible, yes barely.
Nevis

There is still the question of the CVA. Think on this,you are a large creditor,you then see a businessman starting down a morally bankrupt route to shaft creditors like yourself. Would you agree to a CVA,or would you take a moral stance and think no way,i will take my chances in a liquidation? I know which road i would take.............green jhedi

There is absolutely no way hmrc will agree to a cva
bigD

03 May 2012 22:10:22
Wiiiit the hell was hooper doing??denied ibriham a debut goal!!!ad kick his bawz.lol.,,stevo

03 May 2012 21:43:41
Cant believe Hooper robbed Rabiu of a goal on his debut but good to see him getting a run out

Just posted the same m8...when you look through the whole team,all young with great potential,personally I think cervi,loovens,wilson,juarez,mcourt will leave in summer... & mabe ki wanyama or hooper be premeirship bound,hope not tho!stevo

On what basis fo you see Ki being a prem league player? Every big game I've seen him in he's been rank. {Ed007's Note - EPL scouts and managers obviously know more about football than you mate. Anyone that knows anything about football can see the EPL is far more suited to Dave's style of play.}

Ki is a classy wee player .
Unfortunatly like Big Sam and Loovens they are spared no slack . A couple of wee mistakes and the usual suspects are lining up for a shot ,whilst players like Wanyama (MOM last night? are you sure ),Matthews Hooper and Forrest seem to be "cut a bit of slack"
Good job NL (whom btw was subjected to a bit of stick by so called Celtic supporters this season and last) knows his football.....rant over .....TTTS

Yes, McCourt has to go for his own good. He's never going to break into the Celtic starting 11. He's even moving further away from the bench now.
Al

03 May 2012 19:34:05
Hi ed how's things ? hows the leg.

well from what I understand. about this miller proposal is he is going to be hiding assets in a new company, well forgive me if I am wrong here but I am sure HMRC got new powers to stop this kind of avoidance system, like if the newco. looks like rangers and smells llike rangers then they can go and demand the debt from the newco. does this sound right ed.

hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed007's Note - The leg's not bad thanks Marco. I put an update pic on the 'Dodgy Sightings' page. What you say about hiding assets etc sounds about right to me.}

Cheers mate, I don't know why the MSM ( main stream media) have not reported this .........oh wait I do, they are all pro rangers and do not want to rock the boat lol

hail hail

Marco1888

ps going to look at the pic now lol

That's pic is gross lol {Ed007's Note - Thanks LMAO I've got a cast on as well so I only see it once a week.}

HERE ED YUR NO THINKIN ABOOT mibbe daen the same thing pittin yur leg intae anuthur co then wen the tax mans no lookin hop acrose n stick it bak oan agane jake?

Here ed who chibbed ye? wull go n get thum soartit gratis? wiz it a lowlevul currint lyin oan the pavemint,ur wiz it that wee jimmy krankie agane?
here imajin pickin you oot ae a id line up thats rite ocifur it wiz him there wae the chibbed ankle {Ed007's Note - You should see the mars bar that is on the other side of my ankle as well, I know guys that are jealous they've not got it on their jaw, or gave someone it!!}

I've heard this, do ou honestly believe that miller would not do his due dilligience and confirm this? Or his team of finance expert advisors? Oh wait, il tell him to contact the Celtic fans as you are all tax and finance experts haha. Rangers will be back in spl next year with same players, playing at ibrox, same colors, full history, all revenue streams back like season tickets, catering, relica strips, all the things that white or Murray sold off. And back champions! Get it up the lot of you! Yous have milked every moment of our pain and we won't forget it!

RTID

J {Ed007's Note - Is that your pain over then J......I wouldn't be turning the bedsheets into Gyproc just yet if I was you mate.}

007 - yes it is as no matter what my team will be playing spl footy at ibrox next year and I will follow on regardless of what happens

J {Ed007's Note - Will your team be 'The Rangers' or Zombie Rangers though....if there is an incubated club and a newco club what one will you support? The old Rangers will still exist but the Zombies will have tapped everything from Rangers. Might as well throw QPR and Cove Rangers into the mix as it seems anything with the word Rangers attached is fair game. Have Ticketus or HMRC made their feelings on this known yet? I don't think we have heard the last of the Blue Knights either, being named preferred bidder is like picking going home with a munter because the party is nearly over.}

@J; interesting Freudian slip there,"relica strips"? relic of what? A cheating,tax dodging club?........green jhedi

03 may 2012 19:00:32
here ed did that guy leev a wee note re the potenshul ae ma cournur flags?
its jist thit av been buzie in meetins aw day
ah went tae aa furst bit went intae the budgie it 8 ocloak tae get a tightenur

03 May 2012 17:08:18
With RFC now safely in the hands of the trucker ,Iwas wondering if the big blues brothers match is still going ahead and who gains from the proceeds .Has any record been keep of monies raised by "the peeps" and has any record been keep on what "the peeps " money has been spent on.....TTTS

03 May 2012 14:16:15
Just a theory.I think Miller is something of a stalking horse for Whyte.Club 9 sports,who have reported links with Whyte, are issuing statements on behalf of miller.If you were spending 11m of your cash would you not be,at least,in the same country as where the deal is happening?Not even a flying visit has been made,strange.I think after the due diligence period has lapsed Miller will say bye,bye citing interference,no fan support,HMRC or any excuse he can get.D&P then announce liquidation as theres no cash left to operate,and boom! Whytes plan comes together!I assume the 500k fee has been paid,so is someone forensically checking where the payment came from?Remember the last guy who pitched up?Have the gers fans learned any lessons?Will the Scottish media ask tough questions? Will those giants of the financial world Keevins,Guidi,Hannah,Delahunt and dont forget the brilliant business mind of Dalziel, be searching for answers? Some more acts to go methinks............green jhedi

Good post (like you usually do GJ)

wonder if the above will dig into his history or does thomson need to rip another into them ?if it was me pumping in that amount of money then as you say i would want to be there in person.

also whyte wont budge until he gets a pay off ? so all this new bidder pish is all spoon fed PR jobbies

also bit of a cheek saying they dont want miller as a owner....the blue knights had their chance wanted a bargin (5m for rangers when miller bids 19m LOL) & failed ?

of topic - see lennon has a 6 match ban with 3 just now (so tonight then the last & first season of the game?) but he will serve 3 just now & the rest are 'suspened' hope he has learned tho will be a great manager in a couple of years

lenny

03 May 2012 13:18:31
I wonder if the Rangers will have the cheek to parade the troops around their hovel after all the publicity of not paying their taxes

The only taxes Rangers never paid, was the ones that Whyte never paid last year, as part of his plan.

All other taxes were paid...remember the BIG tax case has not been ruled on yet, plenty teams including Arsenal and Leeds operated exactly the same EBTs as Rangers did, the arguement is, that Rangers paperwork was wrong,,,EBTs are still in operation,

Yes, i'm a Gers fan, but an honest one.

Rangers have not ''cheated'' in any way (at the moment) maybe just last/this season, but you won the title anyway.

Can't see what taxes they havn't paid beyond what Whyte done.

However...if the EBT judgement goes against them, and they are proved to have knowingly avoided taxes, i would be the 1st to campaign for them to be 'stripped' of their titles...most definately,,,i wouldn't want them.
You don't jail someone without convicting them 1st though, or maybe you guys do...who knows.

Excellent,and accurate,post........green jhedi

So not paying your tax is not cheating?

Very succinct and eloquently put but unfortunately not actually factually correct. The EBT was used correctly HOWEVER... you didnt pay any tax on the payments therefore, as has been pointed out countless times, you owe £24 million to HER MAJESTYS Revenue and customs. Rangers admit this and the btc is just to decide on what penalty and interest you are liable for. SO therefore not only have you neglected to pay any tax NI and VAT this year you owe copious amounts from your past, oh and nearly forgot the wee tax case hasnt been paid !! so apart from those 5 occasions i spose you are an upfront tax abiding company. LMFAO and Mr Craig Whyte is just misunderstood.

03 May 2012 11:05:46
Ok, i found this rather amusing probably for the wrong reasons, But really what a bunch of tubes!!

www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Perthshire/article/22526/dangerous-and-foolish-celtic-fans-slammed-for-doing-the-huddle-on-a9-near-perth.html

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