Celtic Banter Archive January 03 2015

03 Jan 2015 20:14:58
OK Bhoys & Ghirls:
So we all want our team to win AND play well, that's a given.
Who do we realistically looking to get in (complete price wages package) to fit into RD`s plan.

Position or just a player?

if we could get a glimpse or the display we showed against united at the start of the season, then i'm sure we would all be happy.

Centre back, creative midfielder and solid left back would do me. Not to concerned, at the moment anyway, with up front as I think Scepovic will come good but if Guidetti leaves another striker will be needed.

I would like to see a right back a centre back and a creative midfield player for first team not squad names sadly not got any sorry not for our wage bracket and price I think hope £10 mil spent on those 3 would make us better depends on who goes if we will need more

We need to strengthen the defence in my opinion.
I never feel confident of keeping a clean sheet, whenever we play anyone half decent, if we're not careful it could derail our season.
I don't want us to become negative, but we need to become harder to score against.
I may be wrong, but I think we have scored in every away match in Europe this season, but not won any of them apart from the Icelandic team, who were only part timers
In the tougher games away from home, we need to ensure that we keep more clean sheets.
I don't think we can do this with our present back four.

It's going to cost money to
Sort this out right from the back we need, replacements for Efe, Izzy, Mulgrew who I would never play again as he is terrible, stokes terrible player, Forrest never got to the level we all thought, and another striker as JG will not be signing on.
RD can only do so much with the players he has as they are not good enough to understand what he wants

03 Jan 2015 18:39:34
re,, Ronnie dividing the support, if he lost the league but won the Europa cup would the season have been a disaster or glorious, there would be some online square goes if that happened

Deep river bhoy, your right. For me any manager of celtic must win league and in current climate at least the double. I would be a hypocrite if I said winning europa alone would be acceptable

I think if you can win a cup competition that includes teams like, Roma, Liverpool, Ath Bilbao and Inter Milan, you would be entitled to complain if you can't win a league where your biggest threat are Aberdeen.

We all know, that there are very many people who claim to be Celtic fans who would complain for a week if Ambrose conceded a corner. 🐯

I think if we don't win the league we will never ever live it down! The final of the EL is in Warsaw! Given what has happened this season I don't think our team or ourselves would get welcomed there!

Difficult one this I think we should expect to win the league, but casting my mind back most fans seemed to accept that winning the UEFA cup in Seville was the most important trophy that year and I can recall more than a few stating they would be willing to sacrifice the league for European glory. Although the old rangers were about at the time

04 Jan 2015 02:35:59
Thing back in the seville days 2nd place in the league still got a chance 2 get in the champions league so can see why they would have took a european trophy over the league cause it could have been once in some peoples lifetime but now as we know only our league winner gets in the cl qualifiers so not winning the league wouldn't be acceptable imo

I believe winning either gets us in to CL so that's a plus. We have to win league to maintain any credibility. I do like the idea of a strong Aberdeen, Dundee UTD, Hearts and Hibs as it will force us to raise our game and standards. Been too casual in too many games. The league should be wrapped up early but, once again, we are doing things the hard way.

03 Jan 2015 16:21:15
A pattern is emerging since MON left club, each successor has divided the support.

Gordon Strachan- No matter how well he done, people were hounding him.

Tony Mowbray- Absolute shocking appointment and in my own opinion should never been appointed having took WBA down to championship. Yet some support were happy with him at helm

Neil Lennon- My intial problem was fact he was a rookie and never wanted another John Barnes scenario. Again we are divided

Ronny Deila- We are divided once more

Point i'm making is, no matter who is in charge we the supporters will always be divided and things are getting worse.

There is a faction who would rather have someone who has prior connection/irish and the fans who geniunely want the best candidate at helm. I want the best candidate and Deila is that candidate. He deserves the season and deserves board to back him this transfer window. He is being made the scape goat at moment and its not right.

We are finacially disadvantaged compared to teams in EPL. with this in mind it would be interesting to hear who people want in, if they feel Deila is not the man

Great point. We have to accept the fact we play in a league pretty much ignored by the football world. The only viable candidate I see is Jackie Mc, but again could he handle the job? Would he take it seeing the nonsense Ronny has to endure?

Dn30, wot bout the "blue eyed bhoy "
Lenny the legend
Doing @ great job in Bolton
Being as your his number 1 fan

Green jhedi, I think jackie will be manager one day.

DaBhoy lmao I put my foot in that one lol

A take your point DN30 it is objective enough in dissecting through it!

Gordon Strachan a wanted badly a could hear/see the GOOD stories about his coaching a never understood how so many never took to him maybe it was the wee ginger man syndrome, he always had an answer and sometimes it was "too quick and irked many"?

Tony Mowbray well a wanted him too to be honest he took WBA UP before they went down mate and that happens a lot in that league due to the gulf as we previously a see a lot of RD's tenure similar to that of Tony Mowbray it needed a MASSIVE overhaul and he refused to give up his principles of playing to re adopt to the Scottish game and it cost him badly! but he was allowed to bring in KEANE albeit short term on a personal basis a knew his wife a knew how much he cared for Celtic but heh it never worked to me RD & TM and even JB are very very similar mate!

RD a actually feel a tad sorry for him like it or not he was coming as a second as an ASST! but after NL left RK and HL and Moyes said NO thanks both Stevie Clarke and Owen Coyle were brought into short price fav's so there must have been something in at least one of them IMO so what does that make RD? 6th or 7th choice? did we just run out of options? Because a don't believe PL for one minute when he said RD was first option that is a BARE FACED LIE! because he was already in as NL's asst, we now know the transcripts from RK's book ffs! so why was RK offered it if RD was already in some form of situ?

As for a potential that to me is unpalatable to me mate but I understand your train of thought to pose it! RD he is in place, but JB & TM only got till Feb & Mar respectively if RD does not get it RIGHT over the next 10 games then we as supporters are in big trouble never mind a manager mate as you have shown they come n go it is the nature of the beast!

The difference JB & TM had was a strong "Cheating" Rangers RD does not have that mate! clearly, a don't personally know why people saying its cool we are too strong, or the others are not consistent enough it is far too tight! at this time! a don't follow the train of thought the either of the others have got better there is not ONE other team in this league (except the farce of the Telfer/Sevco) fiasco that can AFFORD to BUY a player ffs!

Someone has to sit this man down IMO and say to" wait a minute " this is Scotland it is a bit different this is the NORM here but who is going to do that John Collins?(ffs spare me) John Kennedy? to young IMO so that is the real question as far as I can see it who can guide him?

Safe journey mate to Germany and sorry a went aff on one (y)

Its cool jamie lol

Good post DN30.

I didn't want MON but grew to love him the same with WGS.

Mowbray was always a good manager at a small club much like Jackie Mc in my opinion. The only way that would change is if he took Utd all the way on both league and cups and maybe qualification to Europa Lesgue groups because in all honesty compared to RD he is inexperienced.

Lennon for me I have never taken to as player or manager but I did not at any point want him sacked despite numerous embarrassing results.

RD was never a first choice but I have taken an instant liking to his approach, his ideas and the board should at least heavily back him in 1 transfer window. If we win a treble this year then what does that say about previous regimes?

Final point, Mrs E yes we got humped by Salzburg, many teams including Ajax have, they got Villarreal in the next round, a team far better than Inter. For me that's the tie of the round and these teams are what RD is trying to turn Celtic into ( if he does then are we in for a real treat in the coming years )

It doesn't take much to divide the Celtic support, even Jock Stein should have been sacked after the way he prepared the team for the 1970 European Cup final. As to the aftermath of the shambles against Partick Thistle in the League Cup final, the Daily Record couldn't handle the amount of dis-satisfied Celtic fans .
The rain last week brought the worse out of the Celtic fans for years🐤

Jamiebhoy . I am not sure there was a farce re Sevco/Telfer . As I now understand the rule the club from whom the player leaves claims the total number of years training . They are paid that and then have to pass on the amount due to the previous club(s) .
I believe the bankruptcy board ( or what ever the correct title is ) will be claiming something like 9/10 yrs off Sevco to pay Rangers to make available for creditors .

Point 8) Chris 02 are you just one big contradiction? How is not farcical?

Compensation in such in circumstances is in my understanding based on a "training package" it is usually no more than THREE times the contract they were on in this event Rangers were awarded more than SEVEN times the contract he was OFFERED! (not on!) Furthermore how do you get to that figure for an individual who only made ONE substitute appearance? Rangers only offered Telfer a contract AFTER Dundee Utd offered him a contract! Is this farcical enough for you yet

Rangers later Claimed that Dundee Utd late in the day had entered into the debate that Rangers as a NEW ENTITY would only be entitled to TWO years compensation and not the maximum of TEN Rangers were then FORCED to retract this statement at the intervention of Dundee United's lawyers and accept that Dundee Utd never made any such reference

BDO the liquidators appointed have been "encouraged" to pursue a slice of this fee to pay the countless creditors owed to date NO SUCH claim has been made!

@Kev

Salzburg are a right good team and looked in a completely different league to us but they were not good enough to qualify for the Champions League.

All our recent best players were sold and some for a decent price, Hooper, Ki, Wanyama, Forster - when we had these players we wanted better and probably still do. We are much weaker now and I have said I do not entirely blame Ronny but its his job to manage the players he has and get the best out of them, players who are all on a damn sight more money than the rest of Scotland. This is the part that seems to go over some folks head - an example, why was McCoist a rubbish manager, he had full time, experienced professional players who he could not motivate or organise to beat/dominate inferior teams but we think it okay to happen to us? I don't think so.

Am I being disrespectful to Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc by saying that? Other than Armstrong and maybe Pawlett, there's not one other player from any Scotland team I would take and I certainly haven't seen any other Celtic fan give a list of Aberdeen/Dundee Utd players they reckon would strengthen our squad, this speaks volumes about our competition.

Should there be more concerns that most of our players do not seem to fit Ronny's system? We're struggled to replace Hooper, Wanyama and Ledley and not unreasonable to be concerned that not one current player looks like replacing Commons goals from last season.

Scott Brown, Lustig, Matthews, Ambrose, Commons, Forrest, Gordon, Lustig, Izzy, Mulgrew, Johansen - all International players with most of them CL experience. I do not think its to much to expect this team to dominate on the domestic front and that includes when Lennon was Manager. I had no problem admitting his complacency was unforgivable.

A positives - we are in all competitions and I hope the board recognise we need to move forward. They have no CL money this season and no big player sales (unless some EPL team takes a mad punt on VVD) and as GJ pointed out, matchday income has to be down at the moment (fans to blame here) although I don't know what the season ticket sales are.

Ronny is a new Manager keen to prove himself at the next level after what he did with Stromsgodset, but he's not beyond criticism and needs to start getting the best out of the players he currently has.

Things might come good Kev and I pray you're right, but I can only comment on the here and now and what is real.

Jamiebhoy how will we know when BDO will ask for the share that Rangers are owed . Will they tell you, or will they go about their business quietly as before . Who to encourage BDO .?
If they have had to be encouraged about this it doesn't augur well for the whole Liquidation Procees . That won't surprise me.
Please remember that according to the rules Dundee Utd had to pay compensation, first and foremost they have to pay the amount due to the club they signed Telfer from and the correct number of years paid to the dead club .
The only fiasco is yoursel.

03 Jan 2015 13:59:24
Hi Ed, On a lighter note mate just to give you the "head's up" Hayley McQueen is going to the darts semi final the night :*:=P:=P(inlove)

Am sure when the cameras pan to her she will have something "fetching on"

Me personally I would fetch it off my bedroom floor for her any day off the week she choose(giggle)(yes)(yes)

{Ed007's Note - I don't even think Hayley is enough to get me to watch darts!}

03 Jan 2015 13:13:15
As an addendum to my earlier post, I have just heard a perfect example or the treatment Ronny gets in this country.An early report from the Embra derby had Hibs starting quickly and looking fit and sharp. Fraser Wishart told us the fitness coach at Hibs was a guy he knew well and was very well qualified. But Keevins was not having that thread pursued.

Wishart went on to tell, how as a young player, he would have a fish supper on a Friday night before a game as no one told him otherwise.This, at the hands of Keevins, then degenerated into a fifteen minute attack on Ronny and Celtic! It started with Ronny and his dietary rules and ended with how he will regret letting Commons go, with our defence and tactics sandwiched between!

As I type this he, Keevins, out of nowhere, has now started on about how well Kilmarnock pass the ball and Celtic could be well behind Aberdeen. And some wonder why we are so defensive of Ronny?

Green jhedi,, we know the Scottish media and how it works, but the bottom line is we are not improving as we much as rd would like us to believe and the standard of play is as bad if not lower than under nl last season, when sevco left at no point did I think any other team could win the league but I think it could happen this season, whether its caused by bad luck, bad misses or poor decicions or penny pinching by the board it could happen, yes I want rd to succeed as I've said before I like his philosophy, ideas, on how the game should be played but if its ok to criticise every other manager we've had then why not rd, I don't want him bagged but I want to see his ideas in action not as talk, now this window is important to rd as he's had enough time to assess the team, now let's see who he thinks he needs to deliver his vision he might not get everything he wants but it gives us abetter insight into the type players he believes can progress us (hopefully without his hands tied)

@DRBhoy: I agree mate.This transfer window is vital as I am convinced we do not have the players to play RD's favoured system. All I am saying is let's see how we stand feb 1st.

Lads, if we get Anya, Armstrong and a no nonsense CH I think we can take the next step.

I agree with most, if we keep the people we want, and sign a player or two that can improve our 1st eleven I will be happy .

A no nonsense centre half may appear to fit our requirements but to be honest I don't think Ronnie wants that type of centre half . Our first three choices for the two centre halves, one taken on by Deila are all ball playing . He may decide to buy or bring in a centre half but I think he will want him to be a footballer, not one content to bang the ball anywhere .

Green jedhi your posts explains fully why we should always be behind Ronnie and the players .
It is really us against the rest .

03 Jan 2015 11:57:43
The last few weeks make me want RD to succeed more than any other manager celtic have had in my lifetime. The level of criticism he is getting is beyond belief. If we manage to kick this guy out the door now, the only option is to replace him with an old celt who will appease the fans. What does that say about our club?

Calling someone anti RD because they are criticising him is justified as previous managers have never had to deal with this in there first season, despite the fact he is the only manager to still be in 4 comps after xmas since god knows when. The league is hardly lost, we would still be top if it wasnt for postponements.

The amount of cr@p we hear in the media week in week out is more than enough for me but to get it on here as well just does my head in.

People need to take a think back to strachans start, and lennons start. Had we not given them full seasons, we would have ended up nowhere.

RD is a young manager, he will make mistakes. We need to expect this, but back him because he has the potential to take us to where we want to be.

In the last few days alone we have seen him criticised for the league he came from, his wages, having his assistant chosen for him, playing ambrose, saying the treble is more important than how many points we win the league by(@rayman you want him fired for this).

As well as this it now appears that our most important game of the year is the one against sevco (according to some)
this should be treated as any othe league cup match against lower league opposition. How many people were calling for heads to roll after morton or caley thistle?

I can't see us losing that game, and I definately can't see us losing the league. For me if we win the treble then RD has surpassed lennon on first attempt. If we win the league but not both cups then we should give him the chance to buy players and go again. He and the team needs our support.

If we lose the league he obviously will be fired. To fire him for anything else will be treating him more harshly than lennon (as lennon did not even win the league on his first go, and even once rangers had gone the league was all we got).

Finally to appease the lennon fans, that is not me having a go at him. I thought he did okay, but needed to go when he left. The season in the last 16 of the champions league was good, and some of the players he brought in and improved were great to watch. However this only happened because we gave him time. He was given this time despite an awful domestic cup record.

Edinbhoy, you are entitled to your opinion mate but stating people who criticise are anti RD is nonsense. Is he some cherished object above rebuke, many of the performances this season have been abject and his decision making has been awful at times, right from the choice to play Berget in the most important game of the season when he hadn't even trained with the team. I think you criticism of NL neglects the conditions he had to work under! I amnot talking about the racial hatred but just the continual need to rebuild the team. Wanyama, Ki, Ledley, Hooper, Wilson all first team regulars were all sold, I wonder how RD would have coped with this. Would you mind explaining this potential that you see because I am struggling to recognise it at this time.

By the way Lenny also won two scottish cups, the year he didn't win the league was against a financially doped Rangers no matter what LNS says this gave them a sporting advantage

Oh for the love of all things Green, White and gold!

I don't get the 'Celtic man' or foreign Manager thingy that keeps coming up, you're either the right man or not and where you come from is irrelevant. Jock Stein was an ex-Celtic player and Scottish, Win Jansen was foreign so for me this speel is frustrating. You can either do the job or you'll be found out quickly. Are we now talking about rejecting the next Alex Ferguson or Shankly because they're not forgein, to say that's narrow minded is an understatement. With an ex-player, suppose there is an element where fans think they understand the size of the job blah - I don't know.

Without a crystal ball i've no idea what we'll win this season at all, nobody does. You have Martin O'Neill winning the treble in his first season to Neil Lennon being in the Scottish and League Cup final and taking the league to the last day (we won the Scottish Cup only) so basically the same stage as Ronny bar the EL. No doubt last season was a damp squib, I've never seen anyone say anything else.

Sutton etc, nae idea what his game is but he can git tae!

Yeah I have an opinion, I'm a fan like most folk on here. I'm not getting paid for it by some newpaper and I have no agenda, why would I? I have never in my life wanted a Celtic Manager to fail and would hunt anyone out of Celtic Park that did. The 4-0 defeat to St Mirren that seen the end of Tony Mowbray is not something i'm glad happened, it was a mortal embarrassment.

What's happening at Celtic just now is not only down to Ronny, we need decen players brought in to compete in Europe. I expect him (just as I expected Lennon) to take responsibility with domestic results. Celtic Park sometimes resmebles a morgue so its not just your Suttons etc that are giving the media ammunition its the fans and the team performances.

Ronny better succeed - the only folk I allow any criticism of Celtic are Celtic fans. In work and outside, I'm defending the team in my usual nippy way so Ronny don't make me eat humble pie bacuase its not happening.

Hello Edinbhoy, The chunk of your text appears to relate to issues I raised, I accept that you are not having a "POP" at me but making a case for RD at this juncture I would like to say that is noble of you but given the fact that the large majority would have little time for royalty I will choose another explanative and say I applaud your stance

If you look back at my points I do not think the Sevco game is the most important game you will clearly see it is the lowest ranked in my points but I stick to my point given where they are at this juncture he will never ever survive if that result went against us, if you further examine it I think clearly a accept I do not expect to go further in Europe just like you I would not expect any other manager to conquer a Milan a accept our "ceiling" at this juncture for want of a better explanative.

This criticism of Ambrose I am not part of because there is a reason for that I accept that we have had better CH's but he was not purchased to be a CH he was purchased to be a CDM but the reason I do not criticise him is simple it is his defensive partner you see when we are trying to break down this "anti-football" that IMO RD has never witnessed before big VVD is sent FORWARD time after time as a make shift marauding Striker and although as indicated Ambrose is not as talented as I would like him to be a NON CH is badly being left exposed!

A struggle with RD because after a victory in particular an away he is more animated than any Celtic manager a have ever seen a would go as far as to say that if he was NL he would probably be accused of "inciting the crowd" by some keyboard nutter! but he is getting away with it because he is "non-baggage" & foreign so he is deemed as passionate! (ffs!) but there lies my biggest angst if he has that in his armoury how does not have the ability to change it? how does is smack of desperation at the 70 min mark it smacks of desperation rather than anything really tactical? and that is where his fault lines lie

The likes of Mowbray, Barnes and even Paul le Guen were all "purists" it never worked for them there is nothing I am witnessing that suggests to me that it is working for RD & as for finally this "Progress" thing anybody familiar with "The Emperor's New Clothes Story" all it takes is for somebody to say wait a minute here! and am guessing here mate but a guess I am not the only one saying it!

ATVB JB7

@groutdoc

perhaps it was an overstatement but I disagree that he is being treated the same as previous managers. Lennon may have worked under poor conditions, but these have not suddenly improved under RD? no one knows how he would have dealt with lennons tenure so that's irrelevant.

@mrs e

i agree with you about a manager should be judged for what he does. but I feel that when a manager gets this little support the board will turn back to a 'celtic man' to try and fill seats. we are all entitled to opinions yes, and that's all they are, opinions.
and yes I also think there are a lot of issues with the player replacement. I think our biggest loss in the last few years was wanyama, but he is only one of many.

@jamie

yes a lot was a reply to your last post maybe, but i'm not having a pop mate. I find a lot of other posts get me riled way more than yours. I know the sevco game is the 3rd point but its the only one that leads to him being fired. In terms of his press conferences and stuff, I don't bother with headlines, they are there to get at celtic fans imo. when I listen to him speak I like what I hear and that's enough for me

Contrary to what a few people on here think, our Board want Celtic to succeed on the football pitch . I think they would be aware, as they would never be as successful in other walks of life, that when you stick your neck out and appoint someone, new and different, then providing things are not going belly -up you give him a reasonable time to allow to achieve what he and the club wants . I think we agree that Deila's approach to man-managing and tactics is quite different to the usual suspects . I don't think losing to Sevco would be the final straw . In fact everything in my mind about that game appears to be disastrous, Sevco have all the under-dog, no chance written off major coup

03 Jan 2015 11:36:53
youngsters just got beat by fenerbache in first game of mercedes tourney next game 12 30 our time, link to live on celtic official site, poor shooting and a sloppy individual piece of defending cost them dear, young nesbitt our best

03 Jan 2015 01:22:37
Its been a busy day so I not heard what's going on with all that's Celtic today but I did hear on the radio that RD apparently said he would be happy winnin the league by a point. I really hope that's not what he said because if so we have went from when he started "Taking on europes elite with great football" to winning a backwater league with no challenge by a point. Now I sincerely hope he didn't say that because if he did I will now state I want him Sacked if that's the level of his ambition.He has a better squad than last season who won the league by a mile and only lost 1 game. His only loss has been Forster who been replaced by CG, who has been nothing short of magnificent since he came in, and he has gained Guidetti, Denayer, so he is 2 players better off on the starting 11. So where is the progress? yes we in all competitions, but we only in Europe due to a fluke and got knocked out twice. God forbid we lose our next cup game, Supercaley fragalistic will be nothing compared to losin that and who here is 100 % confident we will win it? I defy anyone who at the start of the season would a been happy with not bein top of the league in January, most if not all would be expectin us to be 10-15 points clear.

First of all Rayman, you have just stated we are still in four competitions. Were we in the same position last year?
Secondly, you are being very disrespectful towards other teams in our league. Aberdeen for example are not the team we used to skelp every time we played them. Mcinnes has taken a group of young players and has them playing with a belief every week. Jackie Mcnamara is doing wonders with DU, again with youth at the forefront.
I totally agree that our football is very mundane at the moment with far to many mistakes being made at the back, leaving our goalkeeper exposed. Craig Gordon does his best but even the best keepers in the world need a good back 4 in front of them. I just wish he would stop parrying the ball back into play.
We will win the league but it may be a bit tighter than previous seasons but is that a bad thing? Healthy competition makes for good football. It will always be more nail biting for us when there is another team breathing down our necks. I also think we will win at least one other cup, if not two. Scottish football has entered a new era with teams having a go at us or on the flip side teams like Ross County parking the team bus in front of their goal. That just show's up our current strike force as being inadequate. We need to freshen up the defence and the attack so a player or two could make the difference.
Anyway, here's to a Happy New Year to everyone.

I think the point RD was making was that it was not I, portent how he won the treble but that was his aim. The one point was to support his ambition. He could have said by 10 points or one point if he achieved the final goal. I'm still not convinced he is the right man for the job but a few months ago I accepted comments from Ed and others who felt RD was going in the right direction with fitness and style of play.

How is it that anyone who critical of RD is anti Celtic wake up and smell the rubbish we are crap at the moment RD is a coach who won a poor league with a small town team once has not achieved anything with us one good game all year Dun Utd the rest is flattering to deceive. Will we only change after we lose the league or when we lose to servco RD is a coach not a manager

@Tim do you honestly feel we are fitter than the other teams? I don't see it. The perfect example is SJ runs and runs 1st half sometimes like a headless chicken in my opinion then he disappears. Also some posters saying we play this was because we can go into Europe playing the same. If that's the case will European teams see us as predictable and beat us easy. I would rather play differently and catch them by surprise because let's be honest we not going to beat europes elite by playing the way we play. Last year posters were unhappy we getting gubbed by Barca, this season we getting gubbed by Zagreb and Salzburg. As I always say be careful what we wish for.

I think I explained before and most normal Celtic supporters realise that by publicly abusing a manager who is doing a decent job and his players some more so than others is only helping the Scottish media and fans of other clubs who wish us to do badly . These people some of our "fans" claim to criticise but really abuse, have families and friends . These relatives etc plus the people concern, probably ignore the Scottish media but, must have thought that they would get encouragement from Celtic forums . After-all Ronnie hasn't done too badly so far . I know he caused the rain and call-off on Thursday but at Christmas he was top of the league, in both domestic competitions and still in Europe . Most normal people would think that was fine, and so his friends and relatives and even the Celtic people themselves would read Celtic forums to be encouraged .
However it's far from encouragement many "fans" do, why? Surely supporters are supposed to encourage .