Celtic Banter Archive December 03 2015

03 Dec 2015 22:17:30
Seen a lot of people saying we should punt Blackett in jan isn't he only on loan anyway tho? He was dire at utd, was hoping the Scottish league would give him some confidence but looks out of his depth here as well.

04 Dec 2015 01:47:34
Yeah he's on loan till the end of the season but it'd be great if we could send him back now, he's a waste of whatever % wages we're paying him and just one more unhappy player not getting games or even in the squads we could do without, along with a few others.

04 Dec 2015 15:07:15
He just doesn't look like a player and I struggle to see how he has earned a professional contract at any premier league level. Common sense would have him packing in Jan but when does common sense come into it?
I think we will hold onto him for the contract to not burn bridges and have a steady stream of pish half chance loans. Laughable.

04 Dec 2015 17:54:05
Unless he is a long term injury or has broken club discipline, common-sense would indicate that we keep him until the end of the arranged term .
We may want future loans and may find it difficult if we get a reputation of unilaterally breaking loan agreements.

05 Dec 2015 11:23:16
Apart from Denyar I can't think of any loan player who has contributed at Celtic. I can't understand why we bother. Any good one we can't afford to sign and you won't find many good ones. Look at the loan players we have had in. They are not as good as the players we send out on loan Liam Henderson for example.

05 Dec 2015 14:32:14
Johnnymac Bellamy and Keane.

05 Dec 2015 17:59:00
Forrester from Newcastle was quite a good loan player, as was Boruc .
There is no fixed rule as whether taking a player on loan is a good idea or not, I think it depends on the player rather than how he came about to be signed .
Even the biggest and wealthiest clubs in the world borrow from time to time and not always with much success, I seem to remember Manchester Utd had Falcao on loan last season.

03 Dec 2015 15:19:18
Right ho ho ho January transfer window coming up next month so who's on the naughty list who we should look to be punting in all your opinions? My list is pretty big but feel we have an over inflated squad with a lot of deadwood on over inflated salaries.

If we can, punt permanently by any means possible be it sell, release or loan with a view to selling.

Blackett, Boeriggter, Armstrong, Ciftci, GMS, Mulgrew, Stokes, Scepovic, Boyata, Johansen (Unless he bucks up his ideas between now and January) . I would also punt Brown just my opinion but I realise that will not happen.

Getting rid of this lot would free up loads of wages we could use elsewhere in bringing in some real quality which we're not getting with this current bunch. I'm not a fan of looking for quality in Scotland seeing as the Dun Utd experiment has failed. Although I'll admit the only two players in Scotland I would be interested in would be Michael O'Halloran at St Johnstone and Jason Cummings at Hibs.

Think we should be looking to bring in a CB, CM, ST (Who can be trusted in Europe) for next season and see how that sees us till end of the season.

03 Dec 2015 17:47:47
I would keep Brown and Johansen agree with the rest to get rid off As for players in we need an other CF a CH (has to be experienced with a mouth) and a play making midfielder not sure of budget we will have so I hope that is used wisely But more than likely won't get any of that on my Christmas wish list.

03 Dec 2015 17:52:26
Of course your list is big - you live in cloud cuckoo land.

03 Dec 2015 17:53:21
Ohallaron couldn't lace stokes boots . the boy has scored 14 goals in his career. if we are bringing back ex youth players bring back players who can score goals like keatings who finally seems to have got overthea couple of bad injuries he's hsd to start to fulfill his potential. would take the chance on jason Cummings also.

03 Dec 2015 18:26:00
I just can't believe that anyone could praise Anthony Stokes, he has misbehaved in a manner not becoming a Professional Footballer too often to be considered a footballer at Celtic. Before his recent tweets of defiance most Celtic fans wanted nothing more to do with him, but now he seems to have got new found admirers .

I am afraid the thought of us getting rid of ten or more players in January is simply pie in the sky and just won't happen . Those that would want to possibly sign these players will lose interest when they know Celtic are trying to move them, the prospective buyers won't match either the price Celtic want for them or the wages Celtic or paying . Remember the lower EPL teams or Championship teams will have no interest on those that Celtic deem not good enough .

03 Dec 2015 18:31:28
I can't see your wish list coming true - under the current manager - although a few of those players already seem to have kicked their last ball for Celtic.
Boerigter, Scepovic, Blacket and Stokes are clearly not in the managers plans and will free up some cash.
RD clearly favours Johansen and although he has had a poor season - he has been injured for a while and is a major player, on his game, as we saw last season.

Having signed the Dundee Utd guys less than a year ago, he would look very silly trying to offload them already and I think he will persevere with them as at present with Armstrong taking the lead and the other two on the bench in most of the games (barring injury and suspension) .
The same would go for Boyata as inconsistent as he may be - he is just starting to form a partnership with Sumonovic and needs time to improve, plus the only other alternative is Ambrose, as long as Lustig stays right back.

Your views on Brown are well known and some of us agree and some don't, but he will be out for the forseeable future and we are extremely short of leaders, fighters and drive in the team without him - like him or not.
Most of our midfield are ball players and not so much ball winners and we lack a bit of pace and power as well.


I agree we could do with more quality and experience down the spine of the team and I would add a goalie and a decent winger (as Forrest never plays a full season) and Commons looks like he could do with a change.

03 Dec 2015 18:39:20
We should be aiming higher than o'hallaron. Nowhere near celtic standard.

03 Dec 2015 19:05:44
Oldbhoy, Would you be spouting this nonsense if Stokes was scoring goals in the first team, I bet you wouldn't.
Look what Leigh Griffiths has got up to in the past, a lot of it was worse than what Stokes did, but I don't hear you saying, he, should never play for Celtic again, or how about James Forrest, I seem to remember a while back he got into trouble for exposing himself in a nightclub, is his behaviour becoming of a professional footballer.
I've not much time for Stokes, and I'm not bothered if we sell him or not, but if you are going to take the moral high ground regarding him then you have to take the same line with everyone, including players who are doing well in the first team.

03 Dec 2015 19:23:21
Old bhoy. apart from Griffiths stokes is better than all the other strikers since hooper . his domestic record is a goal every 2.2 europe was is downfall 2 in 29. the majority of fans have never taken to him for whatever reason but imo he was doing a good job domestically. on the pc aspects we either get rid of everybody we consider doing wrong . ie Griffiths . commons . or nobody we can't pick and choose depending on favoritism or form.

03 Dec 2015 19:32:07
A big exit list right enough and 50% are just in the door in the last two windows so cannot see that happening if am honest.

03 Dec 2015 20:03:05
@DN30 I'm not saying I want O'Halloran or Cummings for that matter but was just saying if we are going down the Scottish market route once again then those are the only two in Scotland I can think of that I wouldn't be THAT disheartened at signing. Best of a bad bunch if you like, a lot of folk say John McGinn is decent but not for me don't rate him. Btw O'Halloran wouldn't come in as a striker more of a winger or just behind the striker as his goal scoring record isn't great at all but think his assist record is decent enough. How he'd perform against better opposition than he faces domestically would remain to be seen not sure how he'd do, against us over the years he's caused some problems don't know if that's saying much right enough. But that's my take on it.

@thepoeticpatient the only reason I may be coming across as being on cloud cuckoo land is to expect clubs to actual pay money for these diddies I've listed and take them off our hands. Doubt any club would be stupid enough.

@deep river bhoy maybe so on Stokes in comparison to O'Halloran but remember he's not a striker. I'd say O'Halloran would be a much better option out wide over GMS and Armstrong but that's just my opinion.

@Jungle Jim 2 One of the best replies I've had on here to one of my posts, honest, blunt but not rude about it and just saying realistically what will happen as opposed to what I hope will happen. If only most posters replied like yourself.

03 Dec 2015 20:54:51
From the day and hour that I became aware that Stokes had attacked Elvis in a late night/ early morning drinking spree I came to the conclusion that I didn't want him next or near the Celtic team .
The fans are paying a fortune for his and his team mates wages . It's bad enough that he is out late at night drinking to excess but he has to and attack someone as well. We don't need Stokes and his baggage .

03 Dec 2015 21:03:37
Celtic forever. ohallaron operates wide right second striker. in that general area we have forrest . christie. and young nesbitt getting rave revues . second striker not as good as stokes but we don't put two together so would he play . we could force him like Armstrong out left but would he be better . we also could play tierney wide left as he operated there at youth's . and Calvin miller is on the fringes of a breakthrough as well so do we bring back someone we let go to possibly hold back someone who is better imo he would be another bench warmer. But until /if he signs we'll never know.

03 Dec 2015 21:59:22
Old bhoy not looking for an argument but I ****ing can't stand that black music stealing half Indian red neck. so he gets a medal from me there.

03 Dec 2015 23:14:54
@celticforever wasnt directing post directly at you, more concerned at recent speculation linking us with o'hallaron and the level of ambition our club has at moment.

Players like Armstrong, GMS and Cifti haven't really set ground running, although i can see Armstrong being Scott Brown long term replacement. My point is instead of wasting money sporadically, is it not time we adopted same policy as likes of Ajax and Feyenoord and having the equivalent of their "jung" teams in leagues worldwide?

04 Dec 2015 11:07:15
Cheers Celticforever; this is a great site to express opinion, comment and share concerns about the club we all adore.

04 Dec 2015 16:05:03
If some of your posts are anything to go by, I would just like to congratulate Peter lawell on a job well done . Not only has the team quality been drastically cut he's even managed to bring down our own fans expectations of players to be brought in . It's got bad lads when we are discussing who we should bring in out of Cummings, o halloran or even James keatings . Surely we are not buying into this ( buying the cream of young Scottish talent ) . Let's be honest here, the cream of Scottish talent isn't very good and if we are to go down this route we may as well accept mediocrity from now on. I'm not on about spending millions but there is plenty of decent 2-3 million pound players in many leagues around Europe that could easily improve us. Please don't start settling for third best, we the fans, the club deserve more .!

04 Dec 2015 18:13:14
When we were buying Scottish talent we were for years competitive in Europe .
When we turned our backs on the local Scottish talent in an effort to compete with the cheating Rangers the standard of the locally produced product dropped remarkably . We didn't provide any real home for the young talent who were forced in greater numbers to go down south to try to further their careers . Exciting young players scattered all over England and away from parental guidance may just be part of the reason that our Scottish talent seems to have disappeared .
Scotland hasn't lost the ability to have talented youths, but we are not developing that talent like Scotland did in the 50's 60's 70's etc . Maybe bringing talented youths into a first team squad with many Scottish players 5/6 yrs older may help Celtic to develop the brilliant 15/16 and older young players.

04 Dec 2015 18:31:37
I agree old bhoy . qiunn88.Cummings has 37 in 80.that is a very good for a boy just turned 20.I also never said buy keatings I was comparing him to ohallaron as the better of the two if we were br. i personally would rather buy 5 or 6 of the best regarded yong players in our leagues than spnd 2_3millipn on guys like balde. Scepepovic pukki or loans like miku or louiloui .

04 Dec 2015 18:45:32
@Quinn1888

Why do we deserve more? I'm genuinely interested.

We have so many fair weather fans we can't fill out our Stadium. Fans who think we have some divine right to win a match, a title, a cup, and are furious when we fall short on any. Fans who look down on the Europa League. Fans who believe the Champion's League is the be all and end all - and are happy to "just be there". Fans who want 'European Quality' strikers with no real grasp of reality. Fans who this week post about Celtic's refusal to sign Jamie Vardy -- and use it as a way to snipe at Peter Lawwell's refusal to pay x amount to a lower/non league player -- whilst simultaneously turning their nose up at Scottish (and Scottish League) talent. The rewriting of history is laughable. Had we signed Vardy, the board and management would have been ridiculed, but now that we know how he has kicked on, they are blamed for not seeing it through.

I've heard a lot about Ronny Deila's failures and mistakes.

Yes he's made mistakes.

Yes he's learning.

But if he has made one huge mistake, it's buying into the often spun "best fans in the world" tripe. There are Celtic fans who are, without a doubt, the best in the world -- but there are also more than a fair few flipfloppers. Fans who rewrite history to suit their agenda. Fans who always think the grass is greener, and are generally the first to hark back to yesteryear when they find it most definitely isn't. Fans who have wanted Ronny Deila to fail from the start - and have been using every single little setback from then on as a rod to beat him with. Fans who judge Ronny Deila harshly because he neither played for the club, nor has Irish blood. Fans who want a forward thinking coach, but want results now - even at the cost of forward thinking. Fans who want youth played, but lambaste the player when he makes an error - and the coach who played him. Fans complain about Ronny Deila's inexperience - yet suggest Hartson, Sutton and most recently Tom Boyd for roles. Fans who call for two strikers when we have four attacking players (six if you count our wingbacks) on the field at any given time. Fans that want a footballing identity - yet complain when Ronny Deila implements a formation that will be played home and away, domestically and in Europe. Fans who would dream of Jurgen Klopp helming the club - but have no idea of the journey he went on Mainz to Dortmund, a journey so similar to Deila's it's little wonder they were/are often compared. Had Klopp come to us after Mainz, I sincerely doubt he would've have lasted with us before the kickback begun.

Personally I'm a Ronny Deila fan. I have been since day one. I admit that upfront - but this is not an attack on RD haters. It's not an attack on anyone. Neither is it a defense of Deila, or Lawwell/Park (whom I do not agree with) .

It's an observation.

And a question:

Why do we deserve more?

{Ed007's Note - That's a great post PP, post of the season so far for me.}

04 Dec 2015 19:40:05
Good post but I don't agree with everything you say mate.
I totally agree with the "have the system for domestic and europe", only problem is I would prefer a system that works as this 1 clearly doesn't, yet.

04 Dec 2015 20:43:21
Absolutley cracking post, perfectly put into perspective well put PP.

05 Dec 2015 18:11:38
Brilliant post, it's not today or yesyerday that I have felt the extremists on here ( the posters with extreme views of Ronny and his players who attempt to frighten the football and the implementing their skills out of them . ) Our fans in the stadium that must let most of our players know when they have made a mistake . It's sad when players are happier playing at away stadiums than at home .
We are all supporters, as supporters we should all do our very best to support our manager and our players so we can get our best possible results, That why we support Celtic, it shouldn't be so that we can air our wit or cleverness .

03 Dec 2015 09:06:34
I see Celtic fans are being warned about going to Turkey, as well as the terrorist threat Turkish fans have a large element of hooligans who carry knives, and just like the disgusting Ajax fans randomly attack visiting fans.
Why does UEFA not clamp down on these clubs even banning them from europe and maybe then the message will get across. Also Ajax from what I can gather do little to root out these thugs again fine the club or withold payments until they clean up their act. Also I do not know if Celtic have asked Ajax to pay for all the damage their fans caused.

03 Dec 2015 12:57:17
I'm sure we will all be so much safer now that our great minded politicians have decided to bomb the crap out of Syria.

03 Dec 2015 15:21:02
Don't know why anyone would go to turkey now anyway.

{Ed007's Note - I don't know why any football fan would want to go there anyway, I've been dreading a tie like this for years and I'm just glad I'm past the travelling all over Europe following us stage. If anyone on here is making the trip please follow all the advice you're being given and stay safe, this could turn out worse than Vigo and Amsterdam '13 combined.}

03 Dec 2015 20:14:16
The Norwegians and Dutch seemed to travel there without much reported trouble so hopefully this passes without incident as well.

{Ed007's Note - Apart from the political situation being a bit more stable earlier in the season if there were any travelling Molde supporters the number would be very small and they would have been part of the club's official travelling party airport - hotel/bar - stadium and then back the same way. Not many Dutch fans travelled to Istanbul, cowards rarely travel when they're scared, and the Turkish police don't mess about, it did kick off when Fenerbahce went to Amsterdam in the return leg though as the Turks fought running battles with the Dutch police and local supporters.}