Celtic Banter Archive October 31 2014

 

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31 Oct 2014 22:18:34
Ed, I know you don't think Diarra will come but I'd be interested what your thoughts on the signing would be if it came about. The thought of him, Brown and Johansen sounds good to me but would like to hear your thoughts

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{Ed007's Note - The last time I seen him play regularly was 2 years ago with Real Madrid, so I've no idea how good he is these days. He's a free agent for a reason, Lokomotiv Moscow didn't release him, they sacked him and with 3 years still left on his deal so I'd imagine it isn't only financial reasons he doesn't have a club. He was refusing to train, bad-mouthing the manager and generally just being the total $hit he has been all his career.
Even if we could afford him I'd give it a wide berth, he's more trouble than he's worth, he's a brat along the same lines as Balotelli who is having the same sort of nomadic career as Diarra, the Frenchman is currently looking for his 8th club in his 10 year career. Cracking player in his day, Marty, but not for me at CFC now. I can see him causing problems and trying to get a move next summer whoever he signs for.}

01 Nov 2014 09:46:38
Whether it's diarra or someone else I think we are looking at filling the weakest position in the side.we need someone to play beside brown who can do it properly. RD must feel kayal and mulgrew aren't the answer and doubt many would disagree.

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Cheers ED, suppose what you are saying makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking about him in his Real days and seen that he is only 29 but I suppose there must be a reason why he would have no club. Our main priority should be a deal for Super John Guidetti anyway

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{Ed007's Note - I totally agree with you about Guidetti, let's hope a deal can be struck with him. He won't be short of offers but I can see it coming down to between us and Feyenoord and we are in a position (or should be) to offer a better financial package then the Dutch team. Add the the fact they weren't prepared to take a risk on his fitness this summer following the big Swede's illness might have put his nose out of joint a bit with them. I definitely get the feeling his decision will be a footballing one before money comes into it.}

31 Oct 2014 17:41:43
Happy Halloween fellow celts,
You'll not no the fake zombies tonite from the real ones.
@DN30, don't U B SCARING ANY WANES TONITE.
Don't like to admit it, but very good on the paracetamol joke, lol

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Lmao il be too busy down the pub lol just a friendly bit of banter dabhoy lol

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31 Oct 2014 13:31:12
RD has my respect today for sure with this "more important to win the treble than BEAT Rankers" No chance of a misquote there , crystal clear & concise! very impressive (yes)(yes)

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31 Oct 2014 08:14:47
A never read the rags cause they are all fulla pish but ma old bhoy should me the daily ranger this morning think it was from yesterday no sure and their quoting big guidetti as saying ' You're gong down rangers ' ma issue is a heard guidetti's interview after the game on wednesday and he said that every team should realise they are going down it's just the way it is. Now the rag has changed his words about 2 make it out like he's gunning for rangers and rangers only when that's not even close 2 what he said. All this does is cause greef, brings out the hatred comments from they goons and puts the footballing side of a meeting between us 2 the back. How their editor can allow this rubbish 2 be published when it's blatant lies is a fkn joke. Ma has emailed a complaint but doubt t will do any good. So glad now a stopped buying or reading any that crap anymore cause of stuff like this it's shocking

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Gunniebhoy heard the interview on Wednesday and posted what he said.thats the press in this country for you twist everything to heighten the tension for when we eventually meet them.killy.

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Unfortunately Gunniebhoy, the Daily Ratbag has to resort to these underhand tactics to shift their pile of shoite. The red tops are creaming themselves at the thought of an 'old firm game'. None of them will actually admit this game has been consigned to history because one of the old firm was liquidated. I not only don't buy this guff, but I don't even read them when they are left lying about in the staff canteen and have been known to throw the odd S*n in the bin, much to the annoyance of the div who buys it!

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31 Oct 2014 08:14:22
This Tovev issue is brassing me off. There can'y be any viseo/radio evidence or it would have been all over the media and there is no way Celtic would Appeal.
The severity of the sentence would inply there must be some evidence.
Racism is horrible and we all know that but those calling for Tonev's heid is a little out of order until we have all the facts. I wonder if they would be saying the same if it was Guidetti in the dock getting a 7 game ban with apparently no evidence.
It will all come out in the wash and if he is guilty there will be no place in Europe, apart from his own country maybees, were he will be allowed to go.
Although with a 7 game ban there must have been some evidence against him and not just Logan's word. Hail Hail

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31 Oct 2014 12:07:36
TamTimTic putting aside the actual verity of this Rascist accusation - to merit the uber-harsh 7-Game Ban , you'd think he had BITTEN Logan , or something .

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That's what I mean Sno, What did Terry get when he said what he said to Mr Ferdinand, and that was all over the media and on the National News? - 4 Games wasn't it? Hail Hail

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{Ed007's Note - to impose a 10-man ban on Matera player Gaetano Iannini after he was found guilty of using a racist term towards an opponent during a Coppa Italia match.

I don't, like everyone else know what if any evidence was produced in tonevs racist allegation.what concerns me is how can a player who bets against his own team (with evidence) get a 3 match ban yet tonev gets a 7 match ban for allegedly saying something untoward to a fellow player I'm not condoning racism but for me the punishment is over the top.killy.

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{Ed007's Note - It's two different 'crimes', how can you compare them, Killy, the punishment for racism is never over the top. Are we back to being that paranoid and looking for conspiracy we need to compare everything with what's happened at Sevco. Duncan Ferguson got the jail for head-butting Jock McStay yet Scott Brown only got sent off and banned for deliberately kicking Neymar. Good job we have UEFA on our side to go soft on us eh?}

Steady on ED, are you not bothered about the lack of evidence. I would go as far to believe that Tonev did not say anything worse than Terry did, if he even said anything. The evidence was there for everyone to see What Terry said but there is absolutely no evidence, in the Press/media anyway, what Tonev said. For a 7 match ban, considering Terry got 4, I woyuld like to know what was the evidence. Hopefully is was not just Logans word. Hail Hail

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{Ed007's Note - How do you know there's a lack of evidence, were you sitting in on the hearing? Nobody knows what evidence was produced but to think there was none is just sheer stupidity. Court cases can sometimes come down to one person's word against the other and the jury decide by listening and looking at the available evidence, it's a bit of a harsh comparison but are rape cases and sexual assault or abuse cases not usually one person's word against another? Would you not believe your wife was assaulted if the guy denied it?
Instead of second guessing it why not wait to see what happens, as of right now Tonev has been found guilty of racism and must be treated accordingly. Even if there was evidence in the public domain there would be CFC supporters still blaming everyone else a la Griffiths multiple problems with his racist behaviour.}

ED your Statement "the punishment for racism is never over the top" I totally agree with bvut I would expect some kind of evidence. Or are you of the thought, well he is Bulgarian, there country don't like ethnics, he has played piss poor for us, Yes he must have done it, should be more than 7 games. Good job it wasn't Craig Gordon who was accused or you might have had him hung. Hail Hail

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{Ed007's Note - So you're accusing me of racism? F**k you, it's a pity you're father wasn't as much of a w*anker as you clearly are.}

Well said ed 007 surely if there was no evidence he wouldn't have got banned so there must be some somewhere. 7 games is not enuf in my opinion there's no excuses for racism and the harder league chiefs and uefa n fifa clamp down on it it mite slowly disappear

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{Ed007's Note - That's all I'm saying, just because it wasn't caught on TV doesn't mean there wasn't other evidence, people are too quick to jump to their own conclusions. I don't have a clue what evidence was presented at the hearing but there must have been something or he wouldn't have been found guilty, if it was the farce people are suggesting the club would have been a lot more vocal about it.}

31 Oct 2014 23:35:34
I said the other day that with this sort of ban there would appear to be some sort of evidence, reading between the lines - I think Tonev has admitted to saying something - what? I don't know, but if it is any way racist he has to go - and I agree with ED0007 on his thoughts.

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{Ed007's Note - (yes)

31 Oct 2014 05:58:52
It's really interesting times at celtic I feel. JG has given Pedro an all mighty dilemma.Failure to push the boat out and come up with a package to keep the guy at parkhead will be the straw that breaks the camels back for the fans. The continual denials of downsizing at the club will no longer be seen as anything other than the lies they are. The fans have found a favourite again, quality strikers are so hard to come by as we have found with a conveyer belt of second rate, hope we get lucky acquisitions. If he doesn't push the boat out and do what he's paid to do (progress celtic Fc) then I don't think he will ride out the impending storm! Markie.

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31 Oct 2014 09:36:04
Marlowe I agree with your comments. If he is a free agent at the end of the season, maybe we could offer him £3mill signing on fee and £40k a week or £5mill sign on and £30k a week if that is more politically correct? Over 5 years that's around £13 mill. We would probably cash him in in year 4 so it's actually £11 mill and if he keeps scoring we would easily get £10 mill back maybe more. Question is will Pedro pay that and will he accept that it chase even bigger bucks?

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Lot of sense in that post markie

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Exactly guys, Edd had a senario where we have a 2 mill signing on fee and kept him at the club limit £25k a week then various other lumpsums and bonuses etc over a 5 year contract, it could easily be worked, and it will be a nightmare for us trying to replace a quality striker like that. Has anybody any idea how much we have spent over the last few years on strikers? Blade, puuki, the Icelandic boy, I can't remember half of them, all in the hope that we land a gem. We have I think landed one in JG and I hope PL gets the finger out and sorts something. If all we do in January is secure him I will be happy, although I wouldn't say no to a quality left sided player and a center mid as good as broony. I can dream I suppose!

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Don't think he should be paid any more basicaly than stokes or griffiths, or anyone else in the first team, football is a team game, he could earn more with goal bonuses and win bonuses, but don't think they should start paying those obscene salaries to some players when there is some employees not even even getting the living wage.

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If that's the case then the whole first team wage structure would need ripped up and started again as there aren't many earning 25k like SB. Most off the salaries and contracts will differ. Markie

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31 Oct 2014 21:54:04
Markus the ones I remember are: Mo Bagherra £2.5 mill, Pukki £2 mil, Balde £750k, Griffiths £1.25k, so that alone is £6.5 plus wages. Let's say all on £10k a week minimum, do that is £50k a month and all of them apart from Griffiths ( and he is hardly getting a kick right now) just shows that trying to pay around the £2mill mark for a striker is a dangerous call. Strikers are in a different price bracket and PL needs to remember that. Even Scepo at £2.75 mill has not set the heather on fire. JG is now tried and tested would be great to sign him.

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{Ed007's Note - I keep saying it and I'll keep on saying it, it's not the transfer fees that matter it's the wages we pay. Guidetti will be a free, apart from training comp, that doesn't mean he's rotten. There are loads of players available on Bosmans every summer, Ledley & Matthews for example and then there are players whose clubs will accept a low fee to get their wages off the wagebill. If you're not competing in the wages department you've no chance of attracting a better calibre of player. These days it's the wages more than transfer fees that are important when negotiating deals.
In June 2013 the average wage in the EPL was £30k a week, I think it's nearer £35k now, but if your looking at no transfer fee surely we can compete financially with that kind of price range, pay the wages that brings in quality like Guidetti and it boosts our chances of CL qualification bringing in more money, more attention on our players which will raise their profile, and fee, when it comes time to move on.
We need to invest what money we do spend more wisely, we got £12.5m for Wanyama, we could have spent £4m of that on Muhamed Besic, the Bosnian that joined Everton, and paid his wages for a few seasons and still banked £3-5 million. No question that he would have improved and been sold at a good profit or struggled and we would at least get our money back, £4 million is peanuts to even Championship teams now, if you watched him during the World Cup it wouldn't be much of a gamble, he reminds me of Wanyama when he first came, the only fault I see in Besic's game is his rashness in the tackle sometimes and he jumps in when he doesn't need to.
Adding Besic to our team would have improved it right away and we probably wouldn't have missed Scott Brown. You can't say we didn't miss Brown in the CL qualifiers, this holding off to try and qualify before spending is strangling the club, every manager is starting with one arm behind their back, and it needs to stop. We end up scraping about on deadline day looking at what's leftover, that's why we have ended up with some right wallopers like Lassad, Miku and El Kaddouri.}

So yu agree with these wages then, do you ed?, 30,000, 40,000, 250,000 a week for what?, guiddeti could get a lot more money in china, or arabia, so would you advice him to go there, or would you tell him to stay at celtic?, for what?, aye there's the rub.

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{Ed007's Note - At least try and understand what you're reading, otherwise you're wasting both of our time. I'm fed up having to explain every minute detail of what I say to idiots like you, if you can't understand the written word then don't bother commenting, leave it to the more intelligent poster.}

01 Nov 2014 01:43:43
Ed, buddy you're in a good mood today yesterday, this job must b fun.lol

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{Ed007's Note - Ach no wonder, a stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because the stupid man unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.}

 
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