Celtic Banter Archive December 31 2014

 

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31 Dec 2014 21:45:13
All the best to you Ed your clan, 001, 002 & to all who contribute here when it comes here's hoping it's a cracker (yes) (yes)

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{Ed007's Note - Cheers Jamie, the same to yourself mate.}

31 Dec 2014 19:50:10
To Ed007, and to all Celtic Fans on this site, all the best for 2015.

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{Ed007's Note - Happy New Year, Glen, all the best to you and yours. (beer)

Ed 007 A very happy and prosperous new year to you and all your family . May we have the treble in 2015 and also remind Europe of how good we can be .
Thanks for your hard work in 2014 .

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{Ed007's Note - Thank you, Chris and a very Happy New Year to you and yours.}

A happy new year to one and all, especially, the ed, green jhedi, timalloy, mrs e, Chris 02 whose post and replies keep us coming back for more, all the best guys

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{Ed007's Note - (yes)

31 Dec 2014 19:09:55
Happy new year folks when it comes!

2015 start of a new year, new beginnings, same vendetta. Deila could win the quad and people will still say he is out his depth.

Looking forward to Deila bagging treble in 2015

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A happy new year to everybody.

I wish you all a peaceful and prosperous 2015.

Let's hope we land the treble.

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If he wins the quad, I think we will all be over the moon but Jock Stein set the bar with that one for future Managers and could be why we are always moaning :-)

Hope life is good to you all in 2015 and keep up the good work Ed007!

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{Ed007's Note - Thanks very much, Happy New Year to you.}

Happy new year to one and all on here

DN 30 let's be honest here Celtic won't win the quad this year. I am not an RD hater but once again I was at Celtic park at the weekend and the performance was woeful. In honesty that has happened too many times this season and we have lost and drawn games which we should be winning at home. The manager won't deviate from his system and wants to play two wingers. that's fine but he didn't have any available and we ended up playing with three centre forwards. It will be hard for us to win trophies this year as we are easily beatable on any given day. Anyway enjoy the celebrations and hopefully we get back to winning ways tomorrow

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For the first time in years I am not confident we will win the league and that is based on inconsistency of performance by players and the amount of missed chances by this team every single week we play.
You will note this is not a swipe at RD but a concern at the standard we have fallen to in a few short years.
Obviously I would be delighted if we won a treble or the elusive quad, but I dare not look that far ahead as I worry how we will play week to week.

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Groutdoc I know mate. Was having a bit of friendly banter regards quad lol

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Laughable JJ, of course we will win the league. The footy might not be pretty but we are dominating games.

It's not as if we are getting outplayed and this year Aberdeen and Dundee Utd have been more consistent and let's not forget that no Hibs n Hearts makes it look even more consistent.

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31 Dec 2014 17:05:56
Hear so much of loyalty, pride, the Celtic Way. nothing has changed with the Celtic board. In 1927 when there was not as much cash in the game, Celtic were offered £10,000 for Jimmy McGrory. The board then (as now) rubbed their hands with glee and were prepared to let go the hottest property in football. Jimmy turned the offer down and the club rewarded his loyalty by cutting his wages. No reason given. Jimmy's thoughts on this. "McGrory of Celtic sounded a lot better than McGrory of Arsenal."

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The problem is in reverse in the 21st century the greedy players and the greedier agents demand a move for anyone who gets any praise from manager or on fans forums .

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Those were the days when the players played for the jersey and had a bond with the fans for life.
The Lisbon lions earned peanuts in comparison to many who have followed, but every one of them knew the words to The Celtic Song.
There has always been a magic about Celtic and I hope it returns soon.
Happy New Year to Ed007 and all associated with this site and our famous football club.

JJ

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I have never understood the attitude of chasing the money at all costs. Since the age of 16 to 38 I have worked for Three companies. I could have moved for a few times for more cash, but if your happy and settled that's what counts.

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Billie McNeill talked about signing "Celtic Minded players . We have very few . If they are playing for other SPL clubs, their value double if there is a whiff of Celtic interest .
We are signing young not fully tested players, if they show improvement at Celtic, their money mad agents sew the seeds of unrest and promise tremendous English wealth . The £'s signs muddle the air about career development and trophy and medal success and we are the losers .

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31 Dec 2014 17:05:26
Happy new year everyone .

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Happy new year TTTS. Looking forward to many more debates in 2015 lol

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31 Dec 2014 16:55:22
According to reports we have been quoted £6m for Ciftci and Armstrong, with the ongoing talks about Guidetti, we all know it will be either or, as no way will Lawwell sanction all 3 signings.
To me it has to be Guidetti if we can convince him to sign, I realise he has gone off the boil but I still think there is a player there.
As for Ciftci he is a moody player who takes the huff too easily and Celtic have had too many of these moody types over the years, so no thanks keep him at Tannadice.

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As soon as the media mention that Celtic are interested in any Scottish club's player the price doubles immediately.
It's no wonder we haven't bought many Scottish based players recently.

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31 Dec 2014 13:02:13
We need class. We need to get rid of Ambrose. Any transfer that allows this to happen will make watching Celtic less frustrating.

We will however be rummaging in the bargain basement bucket, loans and the like. The lottery of transfer strategies. If we face Inter without addressing the total shambles that is our defence. The scoring ratio of one goal every five thousand chances. The total absence of creativity and the ability to dribble in the midfield then we will have yet another humiliating euro horror to suffer in one season littered with them.

Oh and I was talking to the brother of a taxi driver, whose sister once worked in a pub, but left after she developed vertigo swore that Robbie Keane will be signed.

A given.

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31 Dec 2014 06:48:09
As I posted before PL has stated that all money's brought in from player sales will be reinvested in the playing squad. I don't know why he isn't pulled up on this as I can't believe this is the case. Yes we have bought a handful of strikers for around the 2 million mark in recent seasons but the majority of signings are less than that or loans. Yet we have raked in how much for wanyamma, Ki, Wilson, hooper, foster, and loads more. I wonder what the figures are? And it would be interesting to know how much we have made/spent in the last year as it might give an indication as to how much of a kitty we have actually got in January. Markie

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{Ed001's Note - is he including wages, signing fees and loan fees in that statement?}

The problem for me is it's quantity over quality. I refuse to believe we're after Ciftci when Scepovic and Griffiths haven't been getting game time. The money spent on Pukki, Balde, Ciftci, Bangura and whoever else would be much better spent in my eyes on one player, who costs more; who costs more because he's better or has been performing at a better level.

Ed you're right about all the wages and additional fees etc but it still doesn't quite add up for me. Especially when you look like for like. Wanyama for Biton, Forster for Gordon, Ki for whoever etc etc.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't agree with it either, the club should be making a profit on its general day to day running and that profit should be used to enhance the team on the pitch. If not, then I have to ask what is the point in being in a competitive sport? The priority should always be the team on the pitch. I can understand spending money on the stadium, training facilities and youth development, or areas such as merchandising etc, to bring in more revenue and increase the quality of the team in the long term. Other than that, any money left over should be invested in the current product on the pitch, which doesn't seem to be happening.}

Markie I don't remember him ever saying the cash would be invested into the playing squad. I'm sure he said "the club" which means anything from stadium maintenance to his new baby the Celtic Way.

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Kev I can't find a quote unfortunately but i'm adamant it was "first team" or "team" or "playing squad". Definitely somehig along those lines. Reinvesting in lennoxtown/sports science/scouting i'm all for, but the monies recieved for players to that spent on players is not right in my eyes.

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I agree with you Kevbhoy that is how I understand/ interpreted it " Every penny taken in in TRANSFER'S is REINVESTED out!" either way folks it is typical of the man now it gives him so many outs

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I'm pretty sure he said the first team squad mate. It was I think when he was questioned by shareholders about the lose off our best players and at the time nothing being spent on new players. It was just before we rushed through the sepovic and gudetti deals. He reaffirmed that the club would not risk going down the secco road of financial ruin (he didn't mention them by name) but stated that all money raised from player sales would be reinvested back into the first team squad. I'm not sure how it is supposed to work regarding wages etc. I for one would be quite happy with that. It would mean we would have around 8 million from foster etc last window. And if van dike goes, we would in theory have about 10 mill to spend there. We could pick up Armstrong, cifti, Anya and have a few million left over for a new center half. If it was true and if he allowed it to happen. Commons, kayal, puki etc when they are away that would cover the new wage packets. Would fairly freshen up the squad a bit. Markie

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I think people don't realize you don't get the whole transfer fee up front it usually get's paid in instalment's but investment in the squad need's to be done how a club think's it can go or want's to go further in Europe with only 1 left back and no real vision and quality in midfield is beyond me.

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30th August Daily Record PL Quote " In terms of investment our policy, our commitment is every penny that comes into the club, will be reinvested into the club I do not think we can be clearer than that " it was a direct response to criticism from not spending enough in transfers furthermore "any fan that thinks we are sitting on a pile of cash to spend, spend, spend is just fantasy"

As a said guys gives him too many outs IMO although a do like the look of your targets Markie

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Guys I no financial wizard, but as an eg let's say we bought a player for 8 m of the 10 we got for Forster. We prob only made 6m profit so we 2 down already. Then as ed says there agents, tax, signing on fee, paying off Forster etc. Not to mention the 8m player would be a min 40 k a wk more than double Forster. Then there's the interest on the loan of say 8m because we wudnt have the 10m straight away so this deal is costing us a fortune and is the road to ruin.Thats what PL means when he says all profits will be spent on team not transfer fees. I sure ed knows more about this than me tho.So I assume there is money there but not the transfer fees everybody talks about.

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{Ed007's Note - Most transfer fees are paid in instalments over the duration of the player's contract. There's no loans to buy players, an £8m fee over a 5 year deal is £1.6m a season, but any outstanding balance with the player's previous club must be paid in full if you sell the player on before his contract expires.

What is paid by the buying club would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents. (as an example, Liverpool have spent over £35M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window)
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).
(n) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, etc..

I have to agree Jim. I have never agreed with this 3/4 different players at no more than 3m instead of going and buying the finished article at 6m. The prob is the sell on value. Imo celtic will never pay more than 4m for a player for years to come. They will continue to buy the baldes of this world who came as "working progress" always hoping to sell on at huge profit. And that way they can buy 4/5 players and only 1 needs to be a success to turn a huge profit. If they shell out a big fee for a player he needs to be a massive success and also be a 10m+ sell on player which is never a gauruntee regardless of how much we spend.

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A million or here or there per season x all the players we have sold for big bucks in the past few seasons = a lot of millions a season lol! Markie

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Is Brown the most we paid for a player off the top of my head? Because in my eyes he's the best player we have.

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11) Yes JT 4.4 mill we paid for him

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I think this is the Quote you are looking for
www.celticfc.net/news/6553
at 2.47 minuets he starts to talk about the money available for players

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Im going slighty off tangent here but end of the day no matter who is manager, PL sanctions transfer and fee agreed?

Is PL really doing as good a job as made out? He won't pay clubs like hamilton £3m for mccarthy who we all know has went onto everton for was it £12m? How many other players that play in SPL have we missed out on that are homegrown, know scottish football and are now playing at a higher level?

I think its arrogance on PL behalf that he doesn't want to pay another SPL club £millions in fees, yet these boys would of done a far better job than likes of bangura etc

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I thought I heard P. L. say recently that we had MacCarthy here and didn't rate him .
I think just because we pay £5/6m for a player we cannot be sure when we put him in the team he will be any use .
Nothing is guaranteed, remember Juarez when he came, in his first couple of games he was very good . He went to play International football for Mexico and came back a mere shadow of the player, he was before he went . Of course the Scottish media reported what they thought, or imagined might have happened when he was away .
The point I am making is that it's hard to know what you are buying . I hope Deila has success in his buys, instant success or he and them, will suffer from the S M and some forum posters .

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31 Dec 2014 00:47:09
i was wondering. are there any players that joined a team in scotland and stayed for less than 3 months then bolted 'cause the team was gash? or is it only mervan celik?

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I don't know about 3 months, but Raphael, Danny Fox and Juninho never settled at Celtic - and there are a few others like Du Wei that were disasters.

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I watched du wei on numerous occasions for the reserves and he really looked the part. then, the time that clyde pumped us out the cup everyone looked to blame someone and du wei was the fall guy. granted he conceeded a penalty that boruc went on to save, but and was subbed at half time, but the majority of the team never performed that day. roy keane and paul telfer being the main culprits in my eyes, not to mention adam virgo!
ooooft still hurts thinking about it. so on that note. all the best for 2015 :)

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31 Dec 2014 00:20:27
Just a post about stats, People give Stokes a slagging on here, he has 7 league goals in 16 games, ratio (0.44) he is joint top assists in the league with Johansen with 5, ratio (0.31) Johansen (0.29) If we do sign Ciftci who will lose there spot in midfield as Deila would be playing him there? Ciftci has 3 assists (0.18) and 8 goals (0.47) as it looks like Forrest will be out on the right side? Not overly impressive stats for Ciftci imo considering him and Armstrong are a combined 6m quote? Armstrong doesn't feature in the top 20 of assists or scorers charts.

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Are you sure he's interested in him for midfield? I would have thought with our striker situation (main striker on loan and hasn't scored in 5 games) that he would be brought in to challenge for a loan striker slot. I firmly believe that Armstrong is the person we need most as a quality CM is vital. We have been pretty much playing with 10 men with Biton in center midfield. Do you have any stats on Biton? How many goals and assists? I don't think he has any! I know some will say he's a sitting defensive midfielder but that shouldn't stop him contributing a bit in an attacking sense, it never stopped Ledley, wanyamma, brown or Ki. Also on the point he's a defensive midfielder the man has no bottle whatsoever, iv never seem him tackle anything! His only ability I can see is that he is a reasonably good passer, is that enough for such an important position. I would prefer kayal in there, even Mulgrew offered more and Henderson offeres way way more. So if he refuses to trust young Henderson then I think Armstrong is vital to us for the second half of the season. Brown deserves a hand in there. Markie.

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Bravetart regards stokes, what's his stats in europe? That is the point of argument

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31 Dec 2014 13:25:08
His stats have been poor in Europe but so are most plauers. I was looking at the championship stats too and Cameron Jerome who got slated as we were linked has 11 in 20 in a better league. Or a player like Bournmouths Matt Richie 11 assists in 24 (0.46) and pitched in with 6 goals too. That's better stats than Armstrong in a better league why don't we spend 3/4m on him we seem to get over priced on SPL players because we are the team with the most money in our league

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I agree Bravetart about Stokes and said so a few weeks ago.

DN the whole current team don't have great stats and that includes Brown, we actually played better in the Champions League without Brown.

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